NRA National Firearms Museum has this Nazi Belt Buckle gun in their collection. It is called the Marquis Nazi Belt Buckle Pistol. Looks to be chambered in 7.65mm. I cannot seem to figure out how this pistol is fired. I suspect it is loaded when the barrels are folded there by exposing the chamber. Then once it is deployed, I see two springs that line up with each barrel. Possibly they are released and somehow the lateral movement is transferred and strikes the primers.

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  • LG

    Fake. One of these was recently, 1-2 years ago, sold through Rock Island Auction.

    • Its debated whether they are fake or not.

      • Edeco

        Hmmm… I’m ready to believe fake myself; the finish, the wear on different parts looks wrong to me. As does the lid, just looks like newer style of fabrication.

        • I always love people like you because you are the type of person who gets suckered by fakes.

          • Edeco

            Oh, OK.

  • Bugbugbug

    For function see: Forgotten Weapons on YouTube, “Nazi Belt Buckle Pistol at RIA” only difference is that one is four barrel and this one is two barrel. All of these magically appeared at the same time post-war. All are considered to be nicely made fakes.

    • Not true its not known if they are fakes or authentic.

      • Bugbugbug

        Show me one picture from World War II with a Nazi wearing one of these belt buckle pistols. There’s a sucker born every minute.

        • if you listen to the forgotten weapons video he lays out the case. it would have been in limited numbers as a secret project.

          • Bugbugbug

            Yep, so secret that there’s no evidence that they were made during the war. There’s an old saying when dealing with auction houses: “Buy the item, not the story.” If you want to convince me that these aren’t post-war fakes, you’re going to have to produce some real evidence, not just tell a compelling fairy tale.

          • Actually there is evidence. The guy for one had a patent. These have his name on them. Actual noted firearms experts have traced the story and concluded its probably true and that any documentation if it existed was lost or destroyed during the war when the factory was bombed by the allies. The one in the NRA possession is considered the best real one that has been found. If anything less then a dozen were made. If people were making fakes there would be thousands. Also the cost of making them is pretty high so why would someone fake them when they fake regular belt buckles by the hundreds and make way more money?

          • Bugbugbug

            So, if I make something based on a patent, you’ll believe that it was made contemporary to that patent? Fascinating. One thing to remember about the example in the NRA museum is that it came along with all the other guns in the Robert E. Petersen Collection, the largest collection ever donated to the NRA. To question the provenance of items in that donation, (which was only recently completed), would be the worst sort of “looking a gift horse in the mouth” ever and not at all recommended for the institution. Especially if they hope for similarly generous donations in the future. Not sure what you mean by “noted firearms experts,” care to name all of them?

          • Matt

            Just because there is a patent doesn’t mean that an actual product was made, much less put into production. There are thousands if not many more patents that remained on paper and never even produced as much as a single sample.

        • The Bellman

          Alternate (if unlikely) theory: These weren’t made by the Nazis, but were actually an Allied-made assassination weapon.

        • Why would there be a picture when they were meant to be a secret carried by a dozen or so high ranking SS officers?

          • Bugbugbug

            Why would there be a photograph? Maybe because they were meant to be worn as a “BELT BUCKLE” out where anyone and everyone could see it? One of the amazing things about the Nazis is that they were documentation crazy and made records of everything, even secret projects. Yet here we have something that shows up like magic, post-war, with no documentation. How odd… I lump these together with the Nazi Leica cameras, high quality fakes, but fakes in the end. And, like the Nazi Leica cameras, they duped the collector world for a time, and now have their own enthusiastic collectors who know they are fakes but are willing to pay a high price for a nice bit of craftsmanship. “Buy the item, not the story.”

      • lucusloc

        Currently there is no compelling evidence they are real, and while the evidence pointing to fake is not conclusive, most of the people who studied the topic in detail all are of the opinion that fake is most likely. As far as I am concerned they are fake until proven otherwise. Especially when it comes to buying them.

        • All the evidence points to them being experminental and not a production or very limited production before the factory was destroyed. As for records such a project would never have been documented or if it was it would have been coded. Also lots of documentation in Germany was destroyed or has been lost. Another thing arguing against them being fake is how complicated and expensive they would be to make. There is only like a dozen of them. Why not hundreds to thousands to tens of thousands like fake Nazi items tend to be?

          • Bugbugbug

            So, by “evidence” you mean secret, coded, likely destroyed by allied bombs evidence? Sounds more like “no evidence.” Complicated and expensive? Like the Nazi Leica cameras were complicated, expensive, and not too common? Doesn’t make them any less fake.

          • lucusloc

            There are lots of one-off fakes for many historical artifacts, some quite elaborate. All it takes is some guy with the tools and know-how and boom, you have a weird one-off fake with an odd story attached to it. In fact if you look through the wiki entries for faked artifacts you will see most of the famous ones are one-offs.

            In this specific case there is no evidence that they were real Nazi devices, and even Ian at Forgotten Weapons pointed out lots of issues with the markings on the devices, among other potential problems. Does that mean they can’t be real? No, you are absolutely correct that a huge amount of documentation was destroyed at the end of the war, and the Nazis did like their strange contraptions. But to become generally accepted as a real artifact we need more evidence than “it exists” and “there is no conclusive evidence it is not”. In fact most of the other corroborating evidence (what little there is) itself is suspect, and was discovered under less than transparent circumstances, with its own flaws that point to probably not being genuine.

            I adopt the same stance most of the professionals adopt: Fake until proven otherwise. For devices with as little historical impact as these, however, the likelihood that any conclusive proof will ever turn up is slim, so they will likely always remain somewhat controversial.

  • Anonymoose

    I’m surprised belt-buckle guns aren’t more popular in Texas and other places where people are fond of massive belt buckles. The ATF might try to regulate them as AOWs, though.

    • Vhyrus

      They would be since they camouflage and have short barrels.

      • Nicholas C

        Short barrels have nothing to do with it. It is the concealed nature.

        Now I’m not 100% sure about AOW status since the belt buckle gun cannot be fired in the hidden position.

        • Just Sayin’

          I’ve got a Freedom Arms mini revolver .22 belt buckle gun. Kind of a fun conversation piece.

          • Jim_Macklin

            The Freedom Arms gun has to be removed from the buckle to fire. Knew a guy who wore one everyday to work as a Harley salesman. He told me I was te first person to actually notice he was armed.

        • it would still be considered an AOW if modern made just like if someone was to repro a Sedgewick glove gun. The Nazi ones get a pass as curio and relics.

          • Nicholas C

            I don’t think so. Doesn’t the glove gun allow the firearm to be fired while being concealed? The belt buckle does not, the barrels must be deployed to fire.

          • from my understanding the reason no one makes belt buckle guns is because they would be AOW status. Same would go for sedgewich glove guns repros. The glove gun is not concealed its obvious there is something on the glove when you look at it.

      • Anonymoose

        Short barrels don’t matter unless you’re shouldering it or live in Canadia.

    • They are AOWs.

  • Edeco

    Reminds me of the, erm… codpiece gun in From Dusk Till Dawn. Which was clearly incapable of firing, but good for a solid “lolwut” moment.

    • Cymond

      The horror!

      • Jim_Macklin

        Talk about recoil! Ouch Need a Pachmyr sports cup.

  • Blake

    You can see the button triggers in the second image (the image of the back of the weapon), on the left hand side. One for each barrel.

  • SirOliverHumperdink

    I wear mine, but it makes my lumbago act up. Also I carry my vampire killing kit in my Newport.

  • Badwolf

    absolutely this is authentic. the museum curator even told me it came with an instruction manual on the proper stance and how to aim.

  • Billy Jack

    I’m starting a rumor that Hitler killed himself with one of these.

  • Klaus Von Schmitto

    In case of Vampires.

  • mazkact

    OY VEY

  • Rabies

    Am I the only guy who visits the forgotten weapons website? Ian posted a letter from the guy who brought these into the country. It is worth the read!

    • not the one the NRA haws on display which was found shortly after world war 2. One of the govs of Alabama had three and got written about back in 1954 was Ian’s guy said he brought some in in the late 90s.

  • BrandonAKsALot

    Now I’m an expert doctor scientist here, so bare with me, but that thing looks like it would have been produced in the late 60’s-early 70’s. The bluing on that barrel is very reminiscent of the Serbian stuff produced around that time. I believe the bluing was more purple/red due to the steel alloy having very little to no chromium content. I find it hard to believe the Nazis wouldn’t have had access to good quality steel to produce something like this. And come one, that thing is way too simple to be German.

    • TJbrena

      Germans had poor quality steel later in the war, IIRC.

      • BrandonAKsALot

        That would make sense.

  • zaqzilla

    That would be so cool to have minus the Nazi imagery!

  • Bugbugbug

    You’ve convinced me that these three were definitely made before February 1954. ^__^

  • Badwolf

    I demand Alex do a run and gun with this

  • M.Mitchell Marmel

    Real…fake…nice bit of kit anyhow. 😀

  • Elf75

    Bugbugbug: After the Bulge my father (82nd Airborne) took one off a high ranking Nazi officer and tried to send it back to the states, it got ‘lost’ in route to the states. I personally never saw it, and can’t recall if it was a 2 or 4 barrel, but my father was the most honest man I know, thus at least that one truly existed.

  • Elf75

    BTW: I do know it was a .32ACP version (7.62) so it had to have been the 2bbl version

  • meastwood

    In my early teens (early 60’s), I had a plastic belt buckle derringer. Once on a belt, I’d press a button and it would swing out and fire a plastic bullet.