Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Drew Coleman

    That’s very interesting, but I would be seriously concerned about the locking mechanism failing under heavy firing and having everything go all pear shaped.

    • PK

      They’re currently undergoing limited field testing with the military, hang on while I get the specifics…

      • Joshua

        It certainly has merit as a concept.

    • mechamaster

      Maybe they should try it for .22 LR rifle, or pistol caliber carbine first,
      Imagine the Sub2000 with this hinged suppressor.
      Folding carbine with folding suppressor..

      • Giolli Joker

        We read about them already during SHOT 2015 when Nathaniel visited their booth, I think they had the system adapted to an Anzio Ironworks 20mm rifle. Just saying. 🙂

    • throwedoff

      Adding complexity just adds opportunity for failure.

      • Johnny

        Amen to that

  • Flounder

    I want to see someone put an A2 birdcage on that bad boy.

    • Martin M

      Here’s my million dollar idea. Put this on the end of a flash hider and have a cam rotate a sleeve that blocks the ports.

      • PK

        You know, you might float that idea to SEG, since they submitted the patent on this hinged mount. It doesn’t immediately pop out to me as something the military or police agencies would go for as the point is to have the can deployed prior to shooting, but you never know. Could be interesting for sale to the civilian market if parts count could be kept to an absolute minimum and durability remains high with repeatable POI shift.

        Or perhaps something like two hinges, 180° apart, one with the FH and one with the can?

      • iksnilol

        Why?

        • Martin M

          I think it’s a decent idea. First, you always have your silencer with the weapon. If the weapon is stowed, the silencer isn’t stuffed in a bag somewhere. You just grab and go.

          With an integrated flash hider, you have those benefits when not using the silencer.

          Final thought, couple this with a folding stock (like a LAW tactical), and you can stash it all in a nice small space.

          • iksnilol

            No, you misunderstood me. Why bother with the flash hider thingamajig, it would just complicate a simple and nice system.

          • Martin M

            Some people just want everything. I don’t think it would add much in the complexity department since you are turning 180° of swing into something like 70° of rotation. Anyway, it’s just a wild thought. I see something I like and think of some way I’d have designed it.

    • wetcorps

      How about multiple hinges? That way you could alternate between various suppressors, flash hiders and muzzle brakes.

      • Anonymoose

        How about hanging heavy weights from muzzle of your gun? I would rather have a 3-lug system and just pop things on and off like on an MP5.

        • wetcorps

          Do you even dynamic bro?

          • Anonymoose

            Chris Costa used an MP5.

  • thedonn007

    It looks like a law tactical folding stock adpater

    • PK

      There’s a bit more to it than that, especially in the overall construction including tapered mounting surfaces, but the idea sure is similar. That was my very first thought when I first heard of these.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    Or you could just use a bullpup.

    • PK

      This folding mount was designed in response to military comments about QD mounts sticking with prolonged firing, in addition to the overall length meaning that the cans weren’t always mounted. Bullpup designs address only one of these issues, and introduce a whole lot more problems – especially high cost of replacing around 500,000 M16/M4 units.

  • Nick

    I’m pretty sure that this idea was taken directly from a NERF blaster back in the day…

  • MeaCulpa

    For an “assault rifle” it seems like a decent idea but for a bolt action or other precision fire arm it seems a bit iffy. The weight of the can hanging on the side of the barrel must affect the precision in a negative way.

    • tazman66gt

      Just thinking out loud, QD suppressors have a bit of a POI shift with on and off, if this eliminates the POI shift when donning doffing it could be interesting. I remember reading an article that some of the suppressors that SF uses/used needed a couple shots to “seat” them so they would either have to put them on before you went out or shoot before you got to where you were going. So, if you had this that was a returnable POI on your precision rifle it would work better than having to “seat” your suppressor.

      • NDS

        Most modern QD mounts have a very repeatable POI shift, and the rifle is typically zeroed with the can on anyways.

    • Anonymoose

      That’s why I don’t often shoot my M44 with the bayonet folded (and recently I’ve been shooting with it taken off completely).

  • Jay

    It may just be me, but I would like to try one of these, more so if they had other alignments. If it folded to the right side of my rifle were my stock already folds, or under where the bulk of my receiver already is. This would be great for storing a couple rifles that I have with direct threads… the bolt gun, already long gaining around 9″s sucks storing it in a safe. Being able to seat & zero one, and then fold it for storage would be pretty handy. I just don’t know about $350 handy.

  • Anonymoose

    This scares the living hell out of me, and how does it stay in place when it’s folded? The Law stock adapters don’t have a solution for that either afaik, and that means the suppressor could be flopping around, loosening the hinge and eventually you’re gonna get a baffle strike.

    • Adam

      It looks like the tab on the left goes into the hole on the right and the button locks into the hole on the tab.

      • Anonymoose

        That’s to close it. When it’s open the only thing keeping it from flopping around is screw tension.

      • Squirreltakular

        He means when it’s the open, folded position.

  • I tried this device last summer and it worked as advertised in my very limited experience with it.

  • Bob

    First civie range toy thought: What is the point of this thing?

    Second thought: Well, for actual military/LEO types wandering in the woods, jumping out of cars and planes, running into buildings, etc, etc, I guess I see a use.

    • forrest1985

      My thoughts exactly. Personally don’t see much advantage for civilian use, but definitely a market for military.

  • Volk

    So would this mount and perhaps the can on it qualified as permanently attached?

    • Nope its got a removeable pin so you can detach the silencer part and put it on another gun that also has the folding connector.

  • plumber576

    I’d like to see some slow-mo firing of different calibers to see if/how this leaks and some metering at the barrel muzzle with and without it to learn if it affects sound.

  • Justin Roney

    I’m already paranoid about suppressor alignment and baffle strikes as it is, that introduces several additional possibilities of failure. With the PITA rules for civilians and suppressors, I don’t think I would want to take the chance. On the other hand, I could see this being useful for the SF folks.

    • mig1nc

      Agreed. The fear of tolerance stacking causing a baffle strike would keep me away from this product.

  • iksnilol

    SBR AK with folding stock and suppressor, would easily fit in a laptop bag.

    Nice

  • Budogunner

    Safety against bale strikes aside, what would it mean if you permanently attached this to both the suppressor and the barrel? Could you have a 1-stamp truly compact SBR?

    I mean, isn’t OAL measured with stock fully extended? Wouldn’t it make sense to treat this the same way?

    • mig1nc

      That’s an excellent question.

  • Squirreltakular

    This + LAW folding adapter would be aaaaawesome.

  • uisconfruzed

    Nifty idea, how well does it work in the real world?

  • mbrd

    i picked up a flyer for this thing from the seg booth at the 2014 ausa show (i think it was 2014). i was scrounging around for the flyer to confirm the date, and to see if the design had changed, but i can’t find it.

    anyway, they’ve had a bit of time to work out the kinks. the thing looks pretty robust with a beefy hinge, a mortise and tenon style locking system, and the dimple/protrusion arrangement around the bore. nonetheless, the tolerance stacking issue is a legit concern, especially if it’s subjected to wear in the field.

    as has been pointed out, what happens with the device folded seems like more of a potential problem. if there were a way to pin this thing, so it would stay put, but could be removed by an armorer for replacement, that worry might be mitigated.

    the other matter that occurs to me is that with a longer length handguard, some suppressors might not fold the full 180º against the barrel (more of a civilian issue for now).

    as far as a one stamp sbr goes, i wouldn’t bet that the hand i wish in fills up faster than the hand i sh*t in.

    then again, they seem okay with the sig brace for now, so who knows?

  • throwedoff

    What happens to lock up when you get just the littlest bit of mud, sand, or gunk on the mating surfaces or sealing surfaces? The more complex the more opportunities for failure.