Taurus Carbines Seeing Use with Brazilian Police

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The Brazilian Polícia Militar do Estado do Rio de Janeiro (Rio de Janeiro Military State Police) have adopted the semi-auto only CTT40C carbines, made by Taurus. Below is an embedded video of the PMERJ’s introduction to the new short barreled carbines:

The decision to procure the carbines was apparently made in December of last year, when PMERJ secretary José Mariano Beltrame announced in testimony to the Comissão de Segurança da Assembléia Legislativa (Legislative Security Assembly) that the CTT40C would replace the M16A2 carbines* and FAL rifles in service with the force. The CTT40C is in .40 S&W caliber, which is a dramatic reduction in performance from the previous 5.56mm and 7.62mm calibers of those two weapons.

The Taurus carbines were apparently procured – after some confusion as to what, exactly would be done – in January of this year. Tecnodefesa reports:

The subject began to circulate in the media in December last year, when the Public Security Secretary of Rio de Janeiro, José Mariano Beltrame, in testimony of the Legislative Assembly Security Committee, said he would take the rifles (supposedly Colt M16A2 Commando caliber 5,56x45mm, and FAL, 7,62x51mm) from the hands of police in the crowded Pacifying Police Units (UPPs) and, within about a month, a thousand rifles caliber .40 S & W would be delivered to the troops. This has had some negative repercussions in various domestic sectors of the Military Police (PMERJ), as well as sites specializing in weapons and public safety, and comments of the same content in the so-called social networking.

Soon after, according to news published by Veja magazine on the Internet, the secretary would have gone back to the disclosure, in cold and short note, that “There is no recession forecast of other officers of the weapons disposal.” Various sources of PMERJ, consulted informally by T & D, have come up with answers like “We have no idea what is being planned.” And the issue seemed to have died.

Now, in mid-January, came to T & D reports that, indeed, has already signed a contract for the acquisition of a thousand rifles Taurus CTT40C, caliber .40 S & W, and a small batch will be allocated initially to the Special Operations Command (COE), which should be responsible for giving instructions to the troops on the new weapons. The final destination seems to be, in fact, the UPP. There are indications that all deliveries will be completed by the end of the first quarter of 2016. Order urgent official confirmation of the contract, sent by email to Forges Taurus and Communication Department of SESEG / RJ, did not generate any response to the closing of this note.

The Taurus CTT40C is the semi-automatic only variant of the SMT40 submachine gun, but unlike the Taurus CT9 carbines available on the US civilian market, the CTT40C features an SMG-length 7.87″ (200mm) barrel. The carbines have full-length 1913 rails and folding stocks, and weigh 6.75 lbs (3.06 kg) unloaded. Unusually, the Taurus carbine series sports an extended magazine well that doubles as a vertical foregrip, giving the weapons a distinctive look.

*These rifles appear from photos to be either Colt 727 or 723 A2 carbines, some with short “Commando” barrels.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Ed

    Still take a M-16 carbine to one of these!

    • ClintTorres

      Unsuppressed, shorty ARs will make you deaf! Even with ear pro they are louder than all get-out.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I can vouch for that.
        Super loud.

  • A 165gr .40 S&W does about 1300fps from a 8″ barrel, for 619 ft/lbs of energy. Not a FAL, but not too shabby.

    • Cal S.

      Well there you go using facts…

      I load my .40S&W Kel-Tec with Liberty Munitions that rates 2,000fps out of a pistol-length barrel.

      • I’d be very curious to know what velocity the 60gr bullet does out the carbine length barrel; you’re likely approaching 5.56 SBR levels of performance both in terms of velocity and fragmentation.

        • Cal S.

          This prompted me to do a little digging, and I was as much surprised about the results as anyone. Liberty Ammunition .40 S&W versus .223 REM. The data for the 7″ AR pistol is completely accurate. To get the pistol cartridge velocities, I simply took the advertised muzzle velocities and added the +200fps rule-of-thumb for a 16″ barrel (based on empirical results). It’s not super-accurate, but I doubt real-life results will differ considerably.

          -LA 60gr .40 S&W @ 2200fps, 16″: 645 ft-lbs
          -Hornady 165gr .40 S&W @ 1375fps, 16″: 688 ft-lbs
          -Tula .223 REM 55gr @ 1902fps (empirical), 7″ barrel: 442 ft-lbs
          -Tula .223 REM 55gr @ 2152fps (assumed), 10.5″ barrel: 566 ft-lbs

          It really shakes out to be more-or-less equivalent. I’ll never feel outgunned again with my little Kel-Tec <3. Well, so long as the bad guy doesn't have a .30-06 and is a mile away…

          • .40 S&W really is the ideal pistol caliber carbine load; 9mm and .45 don’t really get that much more energy out of the carbine length barrel, but the .40 becomes a 10mm out of the 16″ barrel. And compared to 5.56, there is much less muzzle blast and flash, which is extremely important (and often overlooked) when shooting indoors at night without ear protection.

            I would personally check out the Underwood 165gr Gold Dot .40 SW for your carbine, as you will be getting between 1400-1500 fps with it. Even at 1400, that is duplicating the Underwood full power 165gr 10mm load @ 718 ft/lbs of energy. Go check Youtube for “The Chopping Blocks” test of the 165gr Underwood 10mm, the results are very impressive.

            The Liberty is a superb load for home defense, but for outdoors I’d suggest the 165gr Underwood, as the Liberty rapidly loses velocity due to it’s sectional density (it’s basically a copper dixie cup) and it only reliably fragments at velocities over 1700fps. At 50-150 yards it may not fragment and instead perform like a lightweight FMJ. However because the 165gr Gold Dot is designed to work at factory 40 SW velocities (1050-1150fps) it will still perform perfectly at those distances.

            10mm pistols have proven quite effective at hunting at what is considered ‘carbine’ distance, so your 40SW Carbine should perform just as well at those distances.

          • Cal S.

            Oh, you think? Lol, yeah, that’s been my consideration ever since I was on the indoor range next to an SBR’d AK. Even through ear pro, it was distracting to say the least.

            Wow, that’s pretty sizzling right there! I shall take your recommendation and check it out, thanks!

            I carry it in my handguns (even in 9mm) ever since Aurora, that way I don’t have to worry about whether or not the bad guy is wearing body armor. Hadn’t thought about the long range deficiencies, though.

    • Manfredi1

      FAL?

  • derpmaster

    I just can’t help but post these every time Taurus is mentioned.

    • Sean

      You are insulting duct tape by comparing it to Taurus products

  • Petto

    Such a ugly SMG , somebody really likes Scar so much to make this ugly sob
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-1gNPJCbQTnk/UIiBeGAGb-I/AAAAAAAAFiM/an0Cy2sUrJs/s1600/CT_556_esquema.jpg

    • Ronaldo Olive

      That’s the defunct CT556…

  • c4v3man

    A .40 s&w carbine would be an interesting choice if it allowed for magazine compatibility with their service pistols, however with the curve in the taurus magazines, I’d say that’s not gonna happen. What does this Taurus do that a bullpup 223 of whatever flavor you like doesn’t do better? If you’re going to go with a pistol caliber carbine with no magazine sharing capability, why not go 45 or 9mm and integrally suppress it?

    • JSmath

      What curve? If you’re referring to the carbine’s magazines, the 40’s are straight but angled backwards about 20 degrees.

      .40 would be a hell of a lot better than 9mm with suppression, too.

  • Hoplopfheil

    I’d love a Ruger PC9, but I’m not sure about the Taurus.

  • Jose

    And, what happened to the CTT 556 carbine?! Why Taurus didn’t started production of that rifle? And their AR-15 clones?! I bet that the CTT 556 will sell very well, because it’s a redesigned AR-180, in a SCAR suit. Why Taurus keep messing up with this? Someone ask me.

    • JSmath

      You seem to be under the mistaken impression that Taurus has the ability to dictate what their home government chooses to buy from them.

      The CTT40c carbine has existed for a while (since at least 2014). This is an announcement that the PMERJ have decided to adopt them, rather than anything else. Taurus didn’t “mess up” anything. They had a range of products, and a police force chose one specific option that fit their needs and desires (likely constrained by budget).

      It’s also worth noting that apparently .40SW is restricted in Brazil, which the PMERJ may have chosen on purpose to reduce theft/use post-theft.

    • MPWS

      I believe it turned into flop; did not work.

  • Howard M. Murdock

    There’s something about Brazilian police forces that doesn’t quite instill confidence – nor a sense of security in me. Maybe it’s chicken winging on the firing line. Maybe it’s the ceremonious issuing of eyes, ears and magazines. Possibly it’s the decades of vast corruption. No… it’s the Taurus firearms.

    • Bill

      We tend to judge other nations’ LE agencies by our standards. The Brazilian cops I’ve met have been a lot like American cops – they run the range of skill, knowledge and ability, and there were plenty I’d be confident to go through doors with, assuming they’d learn to speak proper Spanish.

      We may belittle the weapons they have; they tend to belittle us for stuff like not kicking people in the head.

    • Evandro Santana Pereira

      I live here in Brazil and man… Here we have 60,000~70,000 murders EVERY YEAR. Hundreds – if not 1,000 plus – of cops killed in duty EVERY YEAR… So, I’m only saying that this is a very, very, very different reality than that of the US… Trust me.

      • Howard M. Murdock

        I certainly wasn’t being objective. I was taking a long way around shot at Taurus. I think disrespect of those who try to keep us safe from the real underside of society is on the rise in all nations. In all candor – I own a Taurus firearm. A M85 lightweight .38 +p. I like it a lot. Crappy gritty trigger and all. Hundreds of rounds without so much as a hiccup and that lifetime warranty is hard to beat. In this forum it’s not hip to say you have a Taurus and actually like it.

        • Evandro Santana Pereira

          I agree with you, Murdock. Shaming policemen as “baby killers” is one of the preferred sports of the liberals here in Brazil… When the truth is very different: they put their lives at risk all day, every day for our protection – and are belittled for that…

          In regard to the Taurus guns, yes, they’re crap. And there are policemen that die here because their guns jam when really needed… :/

        • John

          >A M85 lightweight .38 +p. I like it a lot. Crappy gritty trigger and
          all. Hundreds of rounds without so much as a hiccup and that lifetime
          warranty is hard to beat.

          You’re very lucky. If there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that revolver, then by all means keep it.

          I’ve heard of way, way, WAY too many problems with all kinds of Taurus guns to ever trust them. Jams, broken and bent parts, safety not working, insane and horrible customer service to the point of illegal activity. I’d seriously take a Hi-Point over them at this point.

      • ballan

        Dirty Harry meet Dirty Rodrigo

  • MPWS

    This caliber use on carbine seem to be short-sighted; should have been .30cal carbine just as does French police, amongst others. 40 SW is good, as a typical pistol round to 50m. How about if they want to engage target at 100m and more? They are stuck. Useless POS.
    But is there need to worry about company’s product which goes off on its own?

    • iksnilol

      Pistol rounds work fine out to at least a 100. 200 if it is tokarev.

      I mean, that’s at least what WW2 taught us.

    • Bill

      Cops don’t often engage targets at 100 meters or more, and by not often I mean pretty much never. It happens, but not enough to be a critical factor, particularly in a messy, tight urban area like Rio.

    • pbla4024

      What .30 carbine weapon is used by French police? They have Mini-14, but it is not in .30 carbine.

  • Rnasser Rnasser

    You could not make these carbines any uglier if you wanted to…

  • Fabrício Nizzola Caldeira

    This was made to benefit Taurus, the piece of crap Brazilian manufactur of guns, I am a Brazilian. This is comum in this country, company Taurus pay to politicians make a monopoly in our gun market and for that better guns go to the trash.

    • Delta

      You forgot to mention the guns that shoot on safe position, or those who shoot all by themselves when doing a fast move.

  • Harry’s Holsters

    I wish they’d make the guns here in the US. They look like they’d be a cool gun if they came as configured above for Sub $600 street price. Taurus really messed of the CT9. Its like charging the same as Smith and Wesson for a comparable revolver.

  • SP mclaughlin

    Things that go BOPE in the night.

    • Numa

      Probably BOPE got jealous of U.S cops getting to shoot criminals with a 100 9mm bullets.

  • Ronaldo Olive

    For the final, correct record: PMERJ’s Colt 5.56 mm carbines are of the M16A2 Commando (Model R0735B) variant. Period.

  • john huscio

    Huge step backwards….supporting indigenous manufacturing is great if thy make good shit……when your indigenous manufacturer is Taurus? Not so much…….

  • Sean

    Didn’t they already have enough problems with Taurus? And even if the guns work, that isn’t enough firepower to compete with the gangs.

  • JSmath

    The SMT’s and the CTT’s are the same gun, with the prior having the option and capability of automatic fire, and their magazine shape depends on the cartridge. 9mm is curved, 40 is not. All those pictures are of the SMT9 models.

    And a far larger amount of available 40 is subsonic than is 9mm. Most 180gr loads (which constitutes about 1/4 to 1/3 of the loads available/sold) are seemingly loaded just a hair over 1000fps, which while that puts it over the “warm and fuzzy” rule of thumb of just under 1000fps, is still subsonic in most of the temperate conditions humans tend to dwell in. 8″ of barrel doesn’t help the matter, probably puts most common 180gr over 1100fps, but that’s exactly why it makes sense for an integrally-suppressed, shorter-barreled design.

    As I re-pointed out (since the article does it too) before, too, this weapon is meant for the Brazilian equivalent of riot police. There really isn’t a need for suppression, and it would be as much of a detractor as a benefit: inability to refute arguments over “who shot first” situations and may leave friendlies unaware of an escalation of belligerence.

  • AHill

    Was hoping it would be more about police use of the Taurus CT30. I know I know its a Taurus, but it still seems pretty neat.

  • Ballan

    OP forgot the secret weapon, rubber bullets. That’s why an smg is necessary. This is gonna save alot of lives.

  • Mazryonh

    Does a blog entry like this mean you’ll be covering the firearms used by security forces at the Brazil 2016 Olympics?

  • Manfredi1

    Ahhh, okay, gotcha.

  • chino

    I can’t believe what terrible marksmen these guys are. They stand a few feet from the target, shoot a pistol calibre bullet, and some only got 3 rds into the A4 paper target? No wonder they got their 556 and 762 taken away.