Guns Around The World, Including Many I had Never Seen Before, at DSA 2016 (Photos)

Prototype of the submachinegun CMP 9 (9x19mm)

Prototype of the submachinegun CMP 9 (9x19mm)

UPDATE: See more photos at Lionel posts for DSA 2016 and for DEFEXPO 2016

My good friend Lionel Helias sent us photos of firearms that were at DSA 2016 last month in Malaysia.

IST 12.7 ant materiel rifle (12,7x108mm)

IST 12.7 anti-materiel rifle (12,7x108mm)

S&T Motiv (South Korea) Sniper rifle K 14 (7,62x51mm)

S&T Motiv (South Korea) Sniper rifle K 14 (7,62x51mm)

Tangoglio Indonesia (Indonesia) D7 BA SA 20 (7,62x51mm)

Tangoglio Indonesia (Indonesia)
D7 BA SA 20 (7,62x51mm)

Ritter & Stark (Austria) SX 1 (338 LM/300 WM/308W)

Ritter & Stark (Austria)
SX 1 (338 LM/300 WM/308W)

Verney-Carron Vertac RS X2 (12 gauge)

Verney-Carron (France) Vertac RS X2 (12 gauge)

Vertac VCS O² (12 gauge)

Vertac (France)VCS O² (12 gauge)

Taurus TAR 5.56 (5,56x45mm)

Taurus TAR 5.56 (5,56x45mm)

MALLINOV (Malaysia) M1P (9X19mm)

MALLINOV (Malaysia) M1P (9X19mm)

Sig Sauer SIG 716 G2 (7,62x51mm)

Sig Sauer SIG 716 G2 (7,62x51mm)

Colt CM 902.16 (7,62x51mm)

Colt CM 902.16 (7,62x51mm)

 

Colt RO 950.11 (5,56x45mm)

Colt RO 950.11 (5,56x45mm)

DRD Tactical KIVAARI (338 Lapua Magnum)

DRD Tactical KIVAARI (338 Lapua Magnum)

Beretta ARX 160 A3 Carbine with GLX 160 (5,56x45mm/40x46mm)

Beretta ARX 160 A3 Carbine with GLX 160 (5,56x45mm/40x46mm)

Stoeger P 3000 (12 gauge)

Stoeger P 3000 (12 gauge)

Sarsilmaz CM 9 Gen 2 (9x19mm)

Sarsilmaz CM 9 Gen 2 (9x19mm)

Desert Tech MDR (5,56x45mm)

Desert Tech MDR (5,56x45mm)

Thanks Lionel. We really appreciate you sending these photos!



Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • Austin

    I love seeing precision guns from around the world

  • John Goodwin

    How do they already have the MDR?

    • Anonymoose

      Same way they have things at Shot Show before they’re finished.

    • Austin

      Pre production model like was at SHOT show

  • kregano

    That Vertac VCS O² from France looks like a Benelli M3 clone, very similar (if not identical) to the TEC-12 out of Turkey.

    • tsubabaka

      the vertac line from Verney Carron are indeed made in turkey it’s the low-price version,all high finished rifles and shotguns are made in france

      • Kivaari

        It seems that if a company wants a new shotgun with its name on it they run to Turkey. Like the old days in America where your local hardware store could get Belgian shotguns with their stores name on it, it could be done simply by buying a few of them.

  • toms

    I wish colt would start selling their Diemaco models here. They always get behind the curve.

    • Kivaari

      They can’t because of the same import restrictions imposed on such firearms from any other country. If we could import the semi-auto rifles, we’d have them. Thanks to GHW Bush and a delayed re-reading of the ’68 GCA by the ATF. They allowed more items imported than were allowed for several years. That is why we don’t have AKs made elsewhere anymore. Why we have the 922r requirements.

      • Austin

        For Colt finding 922r parts shouldn’t be much of a hurdle.

        • Kivaari

          Yes, and every part needed to make the Canadian rifles can’t be imported. They would have to make everything here. That’s my point. It makes no sense to build a few parts in Canada that have nothing to do with the USA built ARs. No complete lowers, barrels, fire control parts etc can be imported. Send the blue prints via email and Colt Defense can do it all here.

          • Twilight sparkle

            How are we getting new wasr10s from Romania then? I don’t see how that’s any different than putting 922r compliance parts in a Canadian rifle

          • Kivaari

            You aren’t. Like the Saiga rifles they come in as a sporter that is configured like a hunting rifle. The WASR10, is then converted in the USA to have “original” appearance, moving the trigger to match the AK parent. The magazine latch wont take a conventional AK magazine, until it is altered here. Look at the CAI, the magazine port is routed out in the IS. They can import partially finished receivers, no magazine port, a sporter stock, no threads or welded on muzzle cover and that either gets completed or fully machined in the US. It’s like buying an 80% AR lower. It isn’t a gun. Get the Romak “made in Romania” and you get the impression that it’s really made there. Well part was. When they get here without internals stuff in the US made part and you get what couldn’t be directly imported. Pick up the Saigas that have been converted here. You often find grinding marks where the trigger guard has been cut free. You can see where the allowable trigger hole is worked around to add the correct slot. The AK grip needs a new hole before it can be attached.
            This is like the Chinese SKS sporter carbines were altered to eliminate the military features of the era. Then GHW Bush crapped on us and stopped all Chinese gear.
            If I had my way, I’d have a plant in the US from every major rifle maker building all of them here. Look at HK, they do handguns here. The new (reintroduced) HK MP5K “pistol” was in TFB a day ago. It can be imported as a pistol. Then were could do a form one and make it into an SBR. An attractive idea, that may get me going, since I had a couple HK SBRs and would like another. Except HK will price it out of the range of my pension.

  • As for Verney-Carron, I’m pretty sure it’s rebranded Turkish Hatsan shotguns, or some other Turkish brand (can’t remember the names off the top of my head). Nothing bad, mind – they make serviceable cheap shotguns.

    • Kivaari

      It’s been ten years since I last looked at Turkish built shotguns. At the time I was helping a local gun store doing sales and repairs. It seemed that every Turkish built shotgun we sold, we saw back for repair thanks to the locking lugs breaking in under 200 rounds. Both semi-auto and pump actions in both 12 and 20 ga. . Since then, I have ignored all of those multi-label Turk guns that made me put them in the same category as the Egyptian Helwan 9mm pistols. JUNK.
      Another over-rated shotgun line are the Benelli’s semi-auto and Nova pumps. Beretta-Benelli maintain the worst customer service other than Taurus. Duck hunters for the most part don’t clean more than the bore and exterior. The spring and tube in the butt, the action spring, self-destructs in a partial season on salt marsh and one full season for fresh water hunters. I had guns come in with a coffee mug full of water still in the plastic stocks. Drilling drain holes is a plan, along with a cleaning. Brownell’s sells stainless replacements, that should come standard.
      95% of gunsmithing is cleaning your own guns before they need to be repaired.

      • Devil_Doc

        I don’t know man.. I have a Tristar Raptor 12 ga semi-auto, and I have beat the ever-lovin crap out of that gun duck hunting. I’ve completely submerged it in salt and fresh water several times, it has sat in the rain for hours more times than I can count, it’s been frozen to the point where I used my duck call to chip the ice off. I cleaned it after every time I shot it with brake cleaner and an aviation lube called Corrosion X (great stuff BTW), and it never failed to go bang or cycle. After around 800 rounds of high velocity 3 inch steel shot, I saw a crack on the thin piece of metal on the bolt under the charging handle, and the charging handle was starting to bend towards the rear a bit. That’s it. Right around that time, my wife bought me a used Beretta A300 that I had been lusting after, and I haven’t shot it since. I feel bad selling it knowing how hard i’ve used it.. This gun was far more reliable than a Mossberg 9200 that didn’t even last one season.

        • Treyh007

          I too have the Tri-Star viper and it’s been an excellent shotgun. I’m very happy with it. It’s my go to field gun and has over 600 rounds through it. For $450 SA shotgun, you can’t beat it.

          • Devil_Doc

            I paid $339 for mine before tax. Definitely got my moneys worth..

        • Kivaari

          As I said I stopped looking at them a long time ago. If they finally figured out a way to heat treat the locking bolts, that’s a good thing. When I went through so many dissatisfied customers, I simply stopped buying them. Like the S&W 22A pistols in the early ’90s. The very first one that came into my store was already broken. The cheesy nylon buffer was already cracked and slowing the slide. I never bout another one for the store.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Another over-rated shotgun line are the Benelli’s semi-auto

        Ooooohhhh…. So you don’t know how to properly use a shotgun. You should have led with that.

        Well, you said you were “helping at a local gun store” so I guess you did 😀

        • Kivaari

          Well, after I retired from the PD, and after having multiple neck surgeries (after getting may ass kicked by two guys I was trying to arrest) I didn’t want to stop forever. Having owned two gun stores myself, I love the business.
          Benelli’s ARE over rated. The NOVA has (or had) an issue with not extracting empty shells. I would have to slam the butt into the ground to get the cases our. The extractor ripped holes in the rims. The dealer I bought it from gave me a full refund and said every short barrel NOVA did that. The long barrel models did not. A second issue was the stock is too long for most users. There was no way to adjust the LOP, since the recoil pad was simply a friction fit like a cork in a bottle of Italian wine.
          The semi-auto shotguns going back to the M121 M1 “The finest combat shotgun ever made” per Leroy Thompson, didn’t work. Thompson fired 65 rounds to make that determination. I had more malfunctions in two of them than he had fired in his exhausting test.
          Finally, since I knew the factory rep for HK (the importer then) told me the guns simply did not work and Benelli was trying to fix the problems. OK, so when the duck guns became the new shotgun to own, we sold many of them. Since we had both fresh water and salt water zones to hunt in, along with extreme weather (over 130 inches of rain per year) those guns came back. “MY shotgun wont work”. No kidding. As I said, the plastic stocks often had a cup of water on the inside. The outer tube for the action spring were rusted, the springs broke and the plunger couldn’t get past the rusted tube and spring. So, yes they are not great guns unless the user s fully prepared to maintain the things, and most people are not willing to do so.
          The same thing with all variants of the Remington M740-742-7400-74 the exterior of the rifles look good. But under the fore end no one cleaned the gas system. Then to compound things they never properly cleaned the chambers. The pitting would allow brass flow so the cases stayed in the chamber and the rims were pulled apart. It can sometimes be polished out or it needed a new barrel and gas system.
          Now go to the Remington 1100-types. That same action spring failed. People do not do detailed cleaning. Most of them come to the shop with rusted spring tubes and rusted and broken action springs.
          Just like many bolt action hunting rifles. People don’t know how to clean the interior of the bolt. I have repaired hundreds of rifles, that had firing pins and firing pin springs that had never seen daylight since they left the factory.
          Well, yes I did help out after retiring. I had sold my last store a few years earlier, gone back into government work for a state and NHTSA job and part time at a local PD. After failed surgeries it limited what I could do.
          So, please tell me why I still dislike Benelli semi auto and pump shotguns, and I should actually love them. Tell me why I should praise Benelli-Beretta even though they never respond to questions regarding the failures of their products. I am waiting breathlessly.

        • Kivaari

          I don’t know how to use a shotgun? Really? What gave you that idea, since I was the guy repairing the damn things. I can’t hit squat in the air with them unless it’s a slow moving clay target. But I certainly know how to use them.

  • Swarf

    7,62×51 and 5,56×45.

    Indecisive calibers.

  • manBear

    That Sig 716 … dayum

  • SineNomine

    Want. Want want want want want!

  • BattleshipGrey

    Is that Taurus AR the one that Andrew Tuohy indirectly shot down?

    • BattleshipGrey

      The video doesn’t seem to work here. Check out VuurwapenBlog on youtube if you can’t view it.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Seems like it’s just you.

        • BattleshipGrey

          I ended up trying the “share” link instead of the URL after I tried on a different computer. It works for me now.

    • Kivaari

      Works for me.

  • Cal.Bar

    See. now we KNOW the article is FAKE when they show us things the we all KNOW don’t exist – things like Santa the Easter Bunny…. or the Desert Tech MDR!

  • Joe Moore

    That Colt CM902 would be a good seller in MLOK or KeyMod.

  • Giolli Joker

    I suppose TanGoglio Indonesia is TanFoglio Indonesia… first time for me to hear about this branch of the Italian company, though.

    • ostiariusalpha

      I’m sure it’s the first time Tanfoglio has heard of them either.

    • Kivaari

      Maybe it was a typo?? F and G are right next to each other on the keyboard.

      • Giolli Joker

        That was exactly what I implied. 🙂

  • Twilight sparkle

    That Taurus rifle looks like something they wanted to release to the us market and couldn’t

  • Pod

    Must be an interesting (though irritating in a way) logistical exercise to ship guns to trade shows overseas.

  • Ben Loong

    Huh, this is the first time I’ve heard of some of these brands.

    Especially the Mallinov. I didn’t know there was another attempt to make guns in Malaysia. This one at least looks like it works unlike those VB Berapi mockups that came out a few years ago and went nowhere.

  • Kivaari

    Remember, the gun pictured can not be imported. If you look inside them the fire control parts are not original. A WASR10, receiver by itself can come in, since it is not configured to accept 30 round magazines. Most had either an unthreaded muzzle (reduced in diameter so it can’t be threaded) or a simple muzzle nut welded in place. Wood can come in. The pistol grips on most are marked “Made in USA”. A good example is the Vepr’s. The action has non-standard parts altered so they are not simply a drop-in AK parts. The ATF actually did a review of existing laws and started to limit more than ever before without needing new legislation. In looking at most commercial AKs lately I find lots of USA marked parts. It sure can’t be cheaper than importing parts already made off-shore. I had a couple Vepr rifles and they really are not interchangeable with “real” AK parts. Not the ones that count.
    When you go shopping for a “Made in Russia” rifle, you wont see a rifle that looks like it should without having an American company doing restoration work to make it “correct”. Every one I owned showed it was reconfigured. If you leave it as the conventional sporter they shoot just fine. If you want to correct the government mandates for imported guns, you will find that US companies have created new stocks to go where the receiver was intentionally crafted to use the law that makes it OK. We simply can’t import any of the “assault rifles” in a finished condition. Handguns like the SIGs can come in since they are not assault rifles. Companies then convert them stateside, keeping the 922r laws in mind.
    Look at how many foreign companies have built new plants in the USA to allow their product to be sold.

    • Twilight sparkle

      So you’re admitting that you’re wrong and colt Canada can import rifles; they just need some us made parts like the rest of the imported rifles that fall into the “non sporting” 922r category?

      • Kivaari

        Not at all. I said if Colt wanted to sell rifles having the same configuration sold in Canada, that Colt, the parent company can just take the designs they created, and build them here. They can’t import the guns except for sale to military and government agencies, just like they do with machineguns made elsewhere. I believe we had this same discussion months ago, and you keep insisting that guns built outside the USA can be imported for sale to individuals. Well, they still can’t do that. Canada is another nation, it isn’t just a very big state or territory of the United States. Just like Canadian civilians can buy very interesting guns, that can not be imported to the USA, except for government sales.
        Like an American gun maker building machineguns for sale to Israel.
        We the people cannot buy what the governments can buy, even if it was a semi-automatic. Those guns, like an AR15 or Romanian AK are not made for import, except as something it isn’t. Buy a Vepr in an AKM pattern, it got there after lots of work and parts made here.

        • Twilight sparkle

          I haven’t had this discussion before, and I there are plenty of guns that have come from other countries, I’m not sure where you’re getting your facts but I just checked my safe and my ps90 says “made in Belgium” on the side.

          The only guns I know of that Canadians can buy that we can’t are short barrels shotguns and anything made by norinco, but norinco is the only company that has been specifically black listed from importation to the us (with few exceptions that are barely worth mentioning)

          • Kivaari

            Well, you simply have not paid attention. Why do you think the AKs in the USA, new production, are made here? Why does SIG have rifle production here? Well, they can’t import the critical parts or complete guns. Canadians can have a great deal of firearms that are not available to US civilian customers. Do you see new HK91s, 93s or 94s? Well, no you don’t and if they could come in they would be selling. CAI wouldn’t be making crude G3 or Cetmes if we could buy HKs. Look at SIGs rifles, they are made here. Where are the Italian 7.62mm or 5.56mm rifles? Where are the Beretta M12 semi-auto rifles? Guns will usually have both the maker and the importer stamped on them. Some components like plastic stocks make it here. Like Walther PP – series pistols that have “Made in W. Germany” on the plastic grips. The Germans have not made PP – series pistols in Germany since the end of WW2. Sorry, folks those German pistols are Manhurin – “Made in France” and then Kentucky for the PPK since the GCA ’68 stopped the importation of those and they had to shift to PPK/S guns for the points.
            Don’t be fooled by the international markings. There are no complete “assault rifles” coming in for civilian sales. Do you know why Arsenal AKs “Bulgarian” rifles are made in Nevada (that’s in the USA)? Because no significant part can be imported.
            Why do you think 922r parts are inside all the foreign rifles? It’s because they cannot be imported. Remember, When we could buy Brazilian FAL rifles and part? We can’t anymore. DSA manufactures the parts here, even though it would be cheaper to import them from Brazil. Even the Springfield Armory rifles, formerly made in Brazil, as are the M1911s they sell, are now made here. SA M1A receivers used to be farmed out. Now they are not forged but are investment cast here. Unfinished parts needing additional machining can come in, like an 80% AR lower, if the part is not complete, it can get double marked. “Made somewhere else” by an American finisher.
            Having a “Made in Belgium” or “Made in Israel” marking gives a product appeal. Dig a bit, and you will find that we are not getting 100% parts coming in, but 80% or less complete, with final assembly in the USA.
            If we could import complete AKs, SIGs, HKs we would be seeing those on the gun racks. We wouldn’t be seeing “The early SIG rifles made in Exeter aren’t as nice as the real Swiss guns” comments right here on TFB. Look at the IMI Uzi Carbines. Well made in Israel until outlawed for import. What do we see today? We get junk de-milled machinegun receivers cobbled back together with welds and ground off original markings. Look at the current Galil rifles sold here. They are no longer made with American receivers and surplus parts, they are now made with new parts after the ATF revisited it own laws, and found out they had not been enforcing the law as they should have. The dealers that had been importing surplus parts worked with the ATF to allow those shipments in transit or in customs warehouses to enter, and then no more. It took the ATF several years to re-read their own laws. Then it was ooopppss!!! That has us, where we are. If you want a C7 or C8 talk to Colt and they will likely tell you, “Well, we can import the plastic parts”, but they are likely made in the USA and shipped to Canada.
            You might want to go back on TFB and read a few articles about the subject. Better yet, go to Toronto, buy a C7 in an alley, and remember do declare it when you cross back into the US. The ICE guys will treat you well. You might take a couple of pistols with you going north bound, but don’t answer yes when the Canadian customs asks if you have any weapons or ammunition with you.

          • Twilight sparkle

            You’re right about a few things but wrong about most… Sure we aren’t getting many foreign receivers on guns like aks, Uzis, and random H&Ks but that’s because of the large stokpiles of old guns that have to be chopped because they’re machine guns are being sent over as parts kits and built as new guns again over here.

            Arsenal of Las Vegas only makes the milled guns in Vegas, the stamped ones still come from Bulgaria (except 922r compliance parts) this is literally copied and pasted from their website “…All SLR-107 rifles feature original Bulgarian made 1mm stamped receiver, original Bulgarian chrome lined hammer forged barrel, US made anti-slap double stage trigger group, US made mil-spec. polymer stock set with stainless steel heat shield…”

            I’m done arguing about something that isn’t important, if you don’t want to do your own research then that’s on you

          • Kivaari

            Believe what you like. We’ve been here before.

          • Kivaari

            Watch the video below at battleshipgrey. where the Taurus AR15 wet down in flames. Grasp the “reason for having them built here”.

          • Kivaari

            Did you forget that FNUSA is making guns in this country? They can show the parent company FN Herstal and FNUSA to give you the impression that you have a “Belgian made” gun. I suspect if you bought an FN AR15 or M249 that it will say something about Belgium on it, even though the American plant is making them. We got the M240 and M249 machineguns and now M4 and other M16 variants from FN. Getting Denmark and other NATO countries to buy F16s, we had to agree to have FN establish manufacturing in the USA.

          • Twilight sparkle

            I’m well aware of production by fnusa, they had to open a factory here for the guns they make for the us military, it’s also where my fnx was made… funny how that one says made in USA on the frame… the ps90s and scars that you see on shelves in the United States were made in Belgium, the only parts on them that may have been made here are 922r compliance parts. I recommend you quit ignoring the truth and accept that you’re wrong here buddy.

          • Kivaari

            Believe what you want.

  • Kivaari

    You don’t remember that the ATF WAS allowing rifles like that in back when the first Romaks showed up. As well as all the “parts kits”. Not too long ago, like I mentioned, the ATF RE-READ the laws pertaining to what is allowed in. That is when like I said, you could buy parts kits with a cut receiver but with an intact barrel.
    Now look at current kits, the barrels are either missing or cut into pieces. That is why new barrels and receivers are made in the USA. Once ATF re-checked the law, did it dawn on them, that they had been allowing many prohibited parts into the country. I also said that many importers had large shipments of gun parts already in the system an held in customs houses. Those importers were able to work with ATF and Customs BP to allow those shipments to go through. It can be very expensive to have container loads of gun related items sent back, especially when the seller will not or cannot take them back. Just the cost of shipping tons of material back is a large pile of money.

  • LazyReader

    Too bad, the ARX from Beretta has been labeled crap