Glock 17 Gen 3 – Long Term Review

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The Glock 17 (G17) was first released in 1982, igniting what would turn out to be a revolution in firearms manufacturing and forever changing the world of modern combat handguns. Only overshadowed by it’s younger sibling the Glock 19, the number of G17s in the hands of citizens, police agencies and military units world-wide is staggering.  And for good reason: only lacking in traditional flair and luster, the Glock 17 pistol is a workhorse that will deliver a lifetime of service.

With this kind of history, I obviously use “long term review” loosely. I can reasonably guarantee that there are first generation G17s with thirty years and hundreds of thousands of rounds down the barrel that are still in use to this day. My third generation review gun has only clocked about 7-8,000 rounds in a period of five years. Again, those numbers aren’t earth shattering, but I can’t think of a another piece of equipment that I have carried nearly every day for five years that has such a pristine service record.

‘Fit and Finish’

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Manufactured in 2009, this G17 wears a Tenifer finish that is renowned for its superior corrosion resistance and surface hardness. Sometime in 2012, Glock transitioned to a Nitride finish for their guns, drawing criticism from some fans who say it wears faster and is more prone to surface rust than the Tenifer treatment. Even with the proven Tenifer finish, my G17 shows a healthy amount of holster wear on the edges of the slide. I would actually be disappointed if my G17 didn’t show any character-building markings: it’s a tool not a display piece.

The polymer frame, aside from my chosen grip stippling pattern, is nearly flawless.  Although my  pistol has never been abused (I’m not a tier one snake eater), it has seen it’s fair share of use in climates ranging from the dry and dusty high plains of Colorado to hot and humid New England Summers. The frame shows no signs of discoloration, cracking or deformation. The frame rails are pristine as are the pistol’s internal components. You would be hard pressed to differentiate between this gun and one that rolled off the assembly line in Smyrna last week. 

A quick look at the chamber and rifling shows nothing out of the ordinary except for the fact that I should be a little more diligent in my cleaning regiment. This barrel will outlast my lifetime ammo budget and then some.

Function

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I can honestly say that in 7,000+ rounds, that this G17 has not had one malfunction of any kind. It’s a trait that we, as daily carriers, sometimes take for granted in a modern combat pistol, but one that should not be easily overlooked. If you are placing your trust and confidence in a piece of hardware, it should be backed by hard (and personal) evidence. The majority of the ammunition run through this gun has been a steady diet of Winchester Ranger 147gr JHP, Federal HST 124gr and 147gr JHP and surplus +P FMJ. This Glock 17 is a true omnivore when it comes to ammo types and has yet to experience one hiccup. 

Probably the most contested feature on Glock pistols is the trigger. Granted, the G17’s trigger is no where near as buttery smooth as a custom tuned 1911. And rightly so, since Glock’s Safe Action System negates the need for an external safety. Having said that, the Glock trigger just works for me; it’s crisp with a defined reset that allows for fast and accurate follow up shots. Obviously trigger pull weight and feeling is a matter of personal preference, but I have yet to find a trigger that’s works as well for me on a carry gun as the 5.5lb stock Glock trigger.

The second, let’s say controversial, feature of Glock pistols is the grip angle. And I will relent and agree that the grip critics do have a point. The learning curve (and the angle of the grip) is steep. Many new Glock owners tend to shoot a little high with the muzzle pointing slightly upward. This is nothing that can’t be overcome with training and I have actually come to prefer the angle of the grip. Pushing the muzzle of the pistol down tightens up my wrist and makes for a solid and stable shooting position. Full disclosure, I did decide to go with a professional grip reduction and stippling pattern from Business End Customs that allows me to better position my giant hands around the grip. I probably would have skipped this step if I bought a fourth generation G17 with swappable backstraps.

The longer overall length, the added weight of a larger gun and the 9×19 cartridge makes the G17 a flat shooting gun with just a little muzzle rise even under fast strings of fire. It’s not uncommon for me to be able to accurately place three aimed shots, drawing from the holster, in less than two seconds. I’m not a competition shooter, but that’s a decent split time for that stage of fire using full power loads.

Carrying the G17

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I don’t believe Glock had concealed carry in mind when they engineered the G17. It was designed more for uniform/open carry mainly because of it’s slide and grip length. Although, with the right holster and body type, the G17 is a more than decent carry piece. If you are smaller in stature, the equally iconic Glock 19 is probably a better fit as it shaves about an inch on either end. My gun has the additional bulk of a weapon light, a Surefire x300, which I believe is a must-have for any combat handgun.

My G17 has spent its entire working life housed in a Raven Concealment Phantom holster except for the rare occasion when it rides in a Safariland drop-leg.  With the literally hundreds of holster options on the market, Raven still rises to the top and complements the G17 nicely. Someday I will do a long term review on Raven’s offerings because they really are top notch.

Getting past the bulk of a full size gun, the G17 truly is an awesome weapon to be able to carry around as a defensive handgun. With a standard capacity of 17 plus one in the chamber, I rarely find myself carrying a spare magazine on my body. With my setup, the Taran Tactical Innovations (TTI) magazine baseplates adds an extra two or three rounds. That’s a decent amount of firepower for a concealed handgun. One side benefit of the TTI baseplates is that their smooth aluminum surface gives an anti-snag quality to the gun when carrying under a shirt or a jacket.

Final thoughts

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I firmly believe that there is no perfect defensive handgun. Every shooter is going to have their own priorities and will be forced to make compromises based on their personal situation. For me, the G17 is probably as close as it gets to being my all around favorite. Some of that belief is based on intangible characteristics that give you that feeling of confidence whether you are gripping the G17 or just knowing that it is on your hip. Either way, it’s a classic pistol with a solid history and every gun aficionado should have one in their arsenal whether or not you choose to make it your go-to defensive weapon.

Be safe.

Specifications:

MSRP: $539
Caliber: 9×19
Length: 8.03″
Height: 5.43″
Width: 1.18″
Weight (unloaded): 25.06oz
Weight (loaded): 32.12oz
Magazine capacity: 17
Trigger pull: 5.5lbs

Options/Upgrades:

Trijicon Night Sights
Grip Reduction and Stippling: Business End Customs
http://www.businessendcustoms.com
Magazine Baseplates: Taran Tactical Innovations
http://tarantacticalinnovations.com

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Pete

LE – Science – OSINT.
On a mission to make all of my guns as quiet as possible.
Pete.M@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • WFDT

    What happened to Glocks 1 through 16?

    • Dave Y

      they weren’t perfection?

      • Not really perfection at first. In 1987 our PD adopted them. I took mine to the range to qualify and long story short it went full auto. Everyone stopped carrying them and got our old guns back until it was sorted out. I believe that was Glocks first recall. Eventually we did get them back.

        • guest

          SOME Gen 2 and 3 Glocks can do that. I have not witnessed full auto but I held one that did fire off 2 round “bursts” maybe every 1000 rounds or so. Can’t exactly explain why, but my gut feeling tells me that one of the conditions is very, very extended use. Talking 100k+ rounds before they MAY do that.
          Due to the action of the gun several of the internal safeties have to fail *simultaniously* to do that, which is extremely rare and not very likely.

    • Pete M

      All I know is the Glock 7 made it’s debut in Die Hard 2. 😉

      The G17 was named after a the 17th patent filed by Glock.

      • manBear

        The ceramic one that terrorists can get through airport metal detectors!!?!?!? Damn ISIS

        • olivehead

          Porcelain

        • Costs more than you make in a year.

    • Gidge

      Models 1-16 never made it past prototype stage. The 17 was the first one that was good enough and mass producible.

    • Pete Sheppard

      Considering that Glock had NEVER designed a firearm before and this was essentially a clean-sheet concept, a few false starts are understandable.
      The failed prototypes would be a fascinating article.

      • john huscio

        If memory serves, Glock didn’t design it alone/in a vacuum. They had input from Austrian police, special forces members and competition shooters from around Europe on the design. The needs of various European police forces rearming in the wake of the Munich massacre probably drove some design aspects as well.

        • Pete Sheppard

          True, but Glock didn’t have its own history of development to influence the design. NOW that they have their own track record, guess what new guns tend to closely resemble… 🙂

        • iksnilol

          ” competition shooters”

          Yeah… the only thing competition about it is that the trigger has a quick reset.

    • m-cameron

      there were no glock 1-16s…………the G17 got its name because it was Gastons 17th pattent.

      there werent “failed prototypes” or “false starts”……

    • iksnilol

      One was a shovel IIRC.

    • Joe pine

      It was Gastons 17th Patten hence the name

  • Nicks87

    I feel that the Glock 17 was/is the greatest handgun ever produced.

    • olivehead

      It is arguably the “Handgun of the Century” (I mean the 20th Century) in that, much like Time’s Man of the Year used to be for a given year, for better or worse it has had the biggest impact of any single handgun (or firearm for that matter) in modern times. Even the venerable 1911 has not had anything like the impact (hate that word, but there it is) of the Glock 17 and its descendants.

      • ARCNA442

        I don’t know. While the Glock is arguably the ultimate modern handgun, it’s basic operating system is really nothing more than an evolution of Browning’s designs. Given that the 1911 was the most prolific of these, I would argue that it is, in fact, the Handgun of the Century.

    • guest

      The only real flaw the older (gen 3 and below) Glocks had was the retarded gripping pattern. The new ones are excellent in that regard, grip it tight enough and it’ll tear your skin off – that kind of firm fit. No more sandpaper or silicone “condoms” on the grip needed.

  • Pete Sheppard

    The flat top of the slide has been a bit of an issue for me, the few times I have shot a Glock. I’m used to a rounded slide that seems to ‘guide’ my eye to the front sight; with a flat slide like Glocks or XPs, my eye seems to ‘hunt’ for just a short moment before focusing on the sight. This is easily overcome with training and practice, I know, but it is noticeable to me.

  • RickH

    Good review, I might have to check out this “Glock” pistol. I hope my local firearm seller might have one in stock.

    • Widgt

      Ha! I imagine John Cleese in his see through rain jacket and dead parrot delivering this line.

  • Bub

    My Gen 3 G17 is hands down my favorite centerfire handgun I own.

  • TC

    So, Glocks are perfect and last forever? What a great article.

    • Pete M

      Just for background, this was my first “test” assignment. Steve and Phil asked me to pick a gun I already owned to write a review on. I know it’s not the most exciting gun in the world, but it is one of my favorites.

      • guest

        That’s the problem right there, isn’t it? “not the most exciting”.

        Glock is the handgun version of the AK: it just works, very simple and very reliable. You should not make excuses for a perfectly fine handgun by writing stuff like that. Yes it is “true”, in the sense that for 90%++ gun owners their entire reasoning is some form of excitement, self-indulgeance, feeling “unique”, eternal pimping-out of their weapons with a whole myriad of knick-knacks etc, so in that department Glock does not fare well, but it’s like accusing a real life medical doctor of being “boring” and not living up to the patient’s expectations of being more like dr House. Complete f***ing nonsense that can not be compared and serves completely different purposes.

        • Pete M

          Agreed. And thanks.

        • Bill

          “eternal pimping-out of their weapons with a whole myriad of knick-knacks etc, so in that department Glock does not fare well”

          The GLOCK is the only proprietary handgun I know of in which is possible to build an entire pistol out of aftermarket parts, without using a single factory part, except for maybe the locking block and takedown piece.

          • olivehead

            Lone Wolf for one makes a locking block, and I know there are several aftermarket slide lock levers (i.e. takedown piece) and frame and trigger pins. Unless I’m missing something, it is possible to build a 100% non-Glock Glock. I don’t think there is another “brand name” gun that the same can be said. I wouldn’t have even thought that was legal, but apparently it is.

          • Bill

            I picked the two parts I thought least likely to be “improved” upon by the aftermarket. Madness.

          • De Facto

            I’ve actually toyed with the idea of doing this so I can use their ubiquitous mags but not hate the pistol every time I hold it. I think lone wolf actually sold some complete non-glock “glocks” for a little while, around $800 MSRP – which is about how much your average person spends if they improve the sights, slide, trigger, etc.

          • TC

            Bill, You ever heard of the Colt Model 1911?

          • Bill

            I was waiting for that, and debated mentioning the 1911, except for the fact that there are so many different manufacturers of the base pistols, and some of the mods are actually significant improvements over the original 1911: high visibility sights, beavertails, non-bite hammers, improved fitting and so forth.

            I own multiple 1911s, exactly one is an unmodified vintage Colt, the rest are of different manufacturers and have at least some level of mods for duty use. I own multiple GLOCKs, the only mods are on one of them, and that was hi-viz sights.

          • guest

            That may be true but those 90% of people who find it “boring” will find something to complain about none the less. I think most of it has to do with the lack of “exciting features” like an unnecessary number of buttons/levers, lack of a hammer, or maybe the polymer frame.
            Frankly I don’t care why it is that way.

      • TC

        My brother has a Glock 17, I have shot it, and it is prone to the ‘limp wristing’ jams. Judging by the comments on here, it must be the only Glock ever sold that jams.

        • Bill

          I hear you regarding the never-malfunctioning GLOCK, but I frequently use one of mine just to demonstrate limp-wristing by holding it with my thumb and trigger finger only – it’ll invariably malf.

        • Aaron E

          Glock is not alone in suffering limp wristing jams but a shooter who consistently grips the pistol correctly could easily shoot without failures.

  • Ed

    Click was first made in 1986 not 1982. G-17 are just as popular than 19s just many in US buy 19s for ccw, while 17s are more popular with law enforcement.

    • Pete M

      The Glock 17 entered service for the Austrian Military and police forces as the P80 in 1982.

  • guest

    I had the same exact sights, though my sweet 17 is one gen older.
    The main problem with any type of sights that one uses is that though rear sights can be locked in place real good (locking agent, separate screw etc) the front sight post was probably never intended to be anything but polymer, hence that innocent looking little thin screw won’t hold anything else well enough unless that part that fits into the oval hole in the slide is absolutely tight and perfect fitting.

  • De Facto

    Glocks do work just fine. The ones I’ve fired at the range have always functioned properly. The grip is where it breaks down for me, and why I’ll probably purchase either an XDM or a M&P Pro eventually. While I could spend a few thousand rounds getting comfortable with the Glock grip, or switching to the lone wolf lower, or paying for a stippling job… I’d rather just pick a different gun. Personally I find it difficult to be accurate with a Glock, so I carry my CZ75, which has around 4k flawless rounds and fits me better.

    Regardless, whatever works best for you, train with it, carry it.

    • john huscio

      I used to hate the grip angle and stopped shooting my 19 over it…..then last year I picked it up again and shot it and it felt fine and I shot decently with it….no real idea how or why that happened but I got interested enough in Glocks again that I bought a 30s and damn if the thing doesn’t fit me perfectly. I’m giving serious consideration to a 17 or a 20 at some point in the near future.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Its the perfect handgun, really, for what its designed to do.
    Doesnt look cool but it always works.

    • manBEar

      Myself … and Chris Farley agree

      • manBear

        What the hell where’d my picture go!?

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Huh?

  • Phil Hsueh

    I hate to be the one but I have to point out that the possessive form of it is NOT it’s, it’s its. It’s is the contraction for it is and is not the same thing as its. This mistake keeps on appearing in articles on this site and I’m surprised that it does.

    • Pete M

      Phil, I’ll admit that I struggle with it’s vs its. It doesn’t help that I use iOS autocorrect as a crutch when it comes to grammar and punctuation.

      I’ll work on it. It’s going to be great! 😉

  • ManBear

    Only handgun I like more than my G17 gen3 – is my gen4 G17 🙂 And for the last time NO, its not too big to carry!

  • Bill

    “GLOCK grip angle” is like “SIG high bore axis:” if nobody had ever mentioned it, it wouldn’t be a thing. If you align your sights, the grip angle is just fine. It’s not like the human wrist isn’t articulated.

    • iksnilol

      Problem is it has a hump at the back of the grip which makes quick shooting a bit of an hassle. But I guess 1337 kids have no need for point shooting anymore.

      • guest

        So the quasi-beavertail prevents you from shooting fast enough? How about when Venus and Saturn are not aligned – does that also impede your shooting proficiency in any way?

        • iksnilol

          That piece that protrudes past the red line is in the way when you are point shooting or doing any kind of shooting where you don’t have the time to aquire a super perfect grip. Glocks work, but they are overpriced for what is mediocre at best. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e7e4e1a77f6350a9f60f9866e52d6512b1fe119a7eeb0fb0824acaf405805f0a.png

          • Pete M

            I’ve agreed with almost every comment you’ve posted at TFB – until today. 😀

            For the money, there isn’t a better combat or defensive handgun on the market. Period.

            There. I said it. Bring out the pitchforks. 😎

          • TC

            Most of the big brand semi autos are good choices, it depends on personal preference, budget, and intended use. Especially personal preference, some people don’t like the semi-cocked striker fire design, and prefer SA/DA hammer fired handguns with decockers. And to those that say the a safety is not needed on a handgun, why do they put them on rifles?

          • Pete M

            After eight years of carrying a SA/DA, I am super happy to be in camp Glock.

            If they built internal safeties into rifles, I’d be all over it. But pull weight and smoothness would suffer.

          • guest

            Yes pull weight would suffer… and??? For an assault rifle or semiautop carbine that would not make a difference, unless the shooter has such bad muscle control that the rifle would go sideways or something with that “oh no, one ton pull!”.
            For sniper rifles and precision rifles of all other kinds… yes, that would not be right.
            But I tell you what – I did lose a loaded Glock on the floor once, newbie mistake and I was pretty green at the time, but when stuff like that does happen you’d be thankful it was a Glock and not some hair-trigger single action where the “safeties” are about as safe as the man wielding the gun.

          • iksnilol

            Well, you’re simply mistaken. A Glock is at most worth 300-350 dollars. Making it is probably under 100 USD, simply due to everything being plastic (I can’t take a plastic trigger and sights seriously, if that makes me a snob then so be it).

            Here in Norway you can get a CZ-85 or 75 for the same money a Glock costs. Only difference between those two is one has crappier ergonomics, unsupported chamber, mushy trigger, plastic sights, is arguably less safe and is way less precise than the other. In the US you can get CZ-75 clones for like 350 USD. I see no practical reason to go with a Glock over a Canik or something.

          • Pete M

            Have all the beer and chips you want, because I believe you are alone on that boat of yours.

            Did a Glock bite you when you were a kid?

          • guest

            I suggest you stop wasting your time with “iksnilol”.
            He has admitted that he does not like Glocks because of muscle memory, has used Glocks very little, and in general I get the impression that he’s a very casual shooter, hence he is speaking out of his rear end lots of times.

          • manBear

            …Wait wut?

          • Pete M

            First time I’ve heard of Glock being called overpriced.

          • iksnilol

            They are for what you get.

            If you tried to sell me something with crappy sights, trigger, grip and so-so barrel for 500 dollars I’d be well within my rights to slap you.

            They cost like 100 dollars to make. There’s no excuse. either improve the firearm or slash the price. To me it is the same as somebody selling a Hi-Point for 300 USD.

          • Pete M

            I could pick apart each one, but “so-so” barrel? That’s a new one.

          • iksnilol

            Then pick them apart.

            I mean, you said you can. Nothing’s stopping you. Free country and all 🙂

          • Pete M

            Crazy sights: A real defensive handgun needs night sights. So while the included basic sights may be plastic, I don’t care.

            Trigger. Purely personal preference. I happen to love it.

            Grip: Again, purely personal preference. It works for me and millions of others.

            I guarantee your $300 CZ clone can’t out last a Glock.

            Sorry, but you are just wrong and there are millions of private citizens, thousands of police departments and entire militaries and agencies world-wide that agree with me.

          • iksnilol

            I never said the sights are crazy. I said they were crap, and not really durable.

            Trigger and grip is purely personal preference? Trigger is a variable that can be measured, and there’s a reason most pistols except the Glock have similar grip angle and a distinct lack of a bump.

            You’re like those Apple fanboys who say Apple is best because there’s so many of them in use.

            Also, why won’t the CZ clone last? I mean, both cost 100 dollars approximately to build. Not like Glock puts in Austrian Nazi magic in them or something.

          • Pete M

            Pick a $300USD CZ clone and I’ll ask Phil If I can do a head to head with a Glock.

            Just because you don’t like Glock, doesn’t mean it isn’t a great handgun.

          • iksnilol

            I don’t mind them except for the price. It is a bottom bin pistol trying to sell itself as something in the medium bin.

          • guest

            Glock is cheap compared to guns of SIMILAR FUNCTION, and performance-wise if you are looking for a very reliable pistol for any purpose then it’s probably under-priced.
            As far as production vs retail costs – no use in crying that river, this is true with every company from Tesla Motors down to the guys who manufacture toilet paper. A completely meaningless argument.

          • iksnilol

            Not really meaningless when people sell a product that does the same thing for half the price.

            Going by your logic Hi-Points should be at least 1000 dollars, I mean, they’re so reliable.

          • guest

            If Hi-Points would actually work, be as reliable and as simple to use, yes, that price would maybe be right. But they’re not, and as far as Glock goes it is the “AK of handguns” and I and others firmly believe.
            Now you want 1kg heavy EMPTY high-power mod of a gun with less capacity and way less reliability – go ahead. Glocks fill the niche of real service weapons, not toys. You want to talk money – especially in sports shooting – then have a look at mid-range and high-end race guns, you’d buy have a house for the price of those. But you’ll also be getting a gun built like a Formula one. Hence, your entire argument is invalid.

          • iksnilol

            Not really.

            All I am saying is why bother pay 500 dollars for a sub-par product when you can get a better product for the same money, or the same product for less money?

            You’re just whining now.

          • guest

            Ugh… I’ve shot older (gen 2 and 3) and “new” glocks gen 4. Never an issue, like ever.
            You’ll have to run by me again how exactly does a GRIP hinder you from shooting fast? Can you not hold it properly, are your hands too small…? Without any sarcasm, I am really at a loss here.

          • iksnilol

            Simple, if I don’t take a second or two to adjust my grip I am going to be pointing high. As in instead of hitting somebody in the chest at across the room, I’ll be hitting the ceiling above.

            This is a non issue at the range where I have those extra two seconds to adjust my grip. Might be sucky in a social situation tho.

            Can easily be fixed though.

          • SM

            Sounds like a training issue to me. It took me some training time to go from a more traditional grip (CZ and Beretta) to the Glock grip. It’s just another aspect of owning a new firearm. Most people don’t mind the polymer trigger and though it’s not as good as a tuned SA, it’s more than adequate for carry and duty use. Unsupported chambers are a non-issue outside of the hottest of hot loads. I’ll give you the sights thing though. I’ve replaced mine.

            I think the CZ-75 and its family are great pistols, but the all steel CZ-75 weighs significantly more (means a lot for actual carry), isn’t any more accurate in practical use and is DA/SA.

          • iksnilol

            I find it an issue since I can’t always carry the same weapon. I am in different countries at different times, and I am not keen on being a gunrunner.

            So having a pistol that demands its own set of techniques and grips that are dissimilar to any other pistols (even Lugers and Pardinis don’t have such a weird grip) makes it practically useless for me.

            Don’t get me wrong, I can use a Glock as intended (shoot somebody from 15 meters) but to use it like I like to use a pistol? Snowball’s chance in Florida to that one.

          • guest

            Let me get this straight, and please correct me if I am wrong as not to have any misunderstandings: from what I assume is a draw from the holster (or some other position where you get a grip around the pistol), you use extra 2 seconds or thereabouts to adjust your grip before you can fire effectively? And to be intentionally picky for your choice of words: you adjust the grip AFTER the draw and before you fire off a shot, right?

            If I have indeed understood you correctly, then the issue is not with the grip but as computer tech support guys call it “PEBCAK” meaning “problem exists between chair and keyboard”. There is no way on this God’s green Earth that you have anywhere NEAR enough experience with the Glock if this is not just some one-off issue (like you borrowed the gun from XXXXX to try it out “this one time back in ….”).
            To put it even more bluntly; this is the first time I hear of such nonsense, and this is not coming from my Glock fanboy ego this is coming from me as an active IPSC shooter. I have never witnessed the problem with me or with ANYONE else from my experience.
            So I think you need to be a bit more honest here so your issue can be fixed – if you want it fixed at all – because either you held the Glock once or twice in your life and “it felt wierd” (can’t blame you for being wrong there!) or you are simply not shooting anywhere nearly enough.

            My last assumption is based on experience, because even though a gazillion guns may feel very wrong in my hands, after enough of Glock’s awkward one-and-a-half-action trigger every other gun is just “too easy” to shoot, especially single actions, and after shooting a lot of very hot .44 mag ammo from a revolver I simply can’t be surpirsed by any gun’s recoil in any sprecial way. So no, a grip will be the absolutely last thing to ruin a fast shot from the holster or otherwise.

          • iksnilol

            I was thinking more along the lines I am grabbing the gun quickly from under my jacket, pulling it up and pulling the trigger.

            Instinctive shooting with normal pistols have left the Glock pointing high. It doesn’t lie naturally like… basically any other pistols. Even the G-ddamn Pardinis are more comfortable, and we call those “wood log pistols” for a reason.

          • guest

            So it’s not the Glock but your “muscle memory”, which you have never obviously done something with because as you say you use 2 (!!!!) seconds to correct the grip, and point too high.

            What you need to do is either 1) shoot more or 2) shoot more with a Glock. I have 3 guns, two grips are similar and 1 of them is way, waaaaay different. Does not mean I “struggle” with any of them for any reason, and neither do I struggle with guns I borrow from others, with some as I said before shooting is a breeze since the finger expects a heavy Glock trigger pull, and both hands are doing their utmost that the expexted heavy trigger pull does in no way shift the gun sideways or whatever have you. Now that’s NOT something you’ll ever learn from your “easy” single action guns.
            As far as actual draw from a holster I manage un-aimed shots at a steel shiluette up close in less than 0,5 sec from starting signal. Not exactly Bob Munden but just goes to show that training can do the trick.

            The only, absolutely only path to shooting proficiency with ANY weapon is to train a lot, and when you think you are done, train 2 as much more. And keep training, and keep shooting, and keep those skills refreshed and DO shoot with guns that “are wierd” or don’t feel right, it can only lead to better shooting skills.

            Now I hope you will be more honest next time, siden du er faen ikke riktig hvis du sier at det er noe som feiler pangen hvis problemet ditt er imellom ørene dine og siden du er såpass lettskremt og uærlig at du sier det er “grepet” som er feil. Ja, du liksom.

          • iksnilol

            Jeg er ikke uærlig hvis jeg sier grepet er dårlig i sammenligning til andre pistoler.

            En Lada Niva fungerer helt fint men folk flest foretrekker en VW Golf.

          • guest

            Du sa selv det er muskelminne! Hva faen er argumenten din: at en Luger har mer ergonomisk grep enn 1911? Og at hvis du venner deg ekstremt got til en Luger, at du da kan få problemer med musleminne? Ja, sant nok, men faen ikke noe unnskyldning å ikke klare å holde både 1911 og andre pistoler rett, uansett grep. Samme med Glock.
            Og du har enda ikke sagt hvorfor spesifikt GREPET er “dårlig”, denne tegningen du har laget er faen meg ikke noe forklaring i det hele tatt.

            Helt seriøst, slutt å drive kødd med folk. Problemet ditt er imellom ørene dine, trenger ikke lete noen andre plasser.

            Til slutt ikke sammenlign Glock med biler. Det er helt greit du kan like en “VW Golf”, men i pistolverden det er ikke en bil – det er en infantrikampvogn som kan kjøre rett over deg og Golfen din. Og det er litt av cluet med en Glock.

          • iksnilol

            Har du investert alt i Glock-aksjer så du er så sur eller?

          • guest

            Jeg er sur på at du er uærlig og skylder dine egne mangelfulle evner på et livløs gjenstand, “feil” grep og hva ellers. Og jeg er sur pga jeg har tydeligvis mer erfaring enn du har, og du nekter å høre etter.
            Så du er selvfølgelig velkommen å enten trene mer og med forskjellige våpen slik at du faktisk mestrer den “vanskelige” overgangen fra ergonomien til varierende våpen (noe som er kjempefordel i mine øyne), eller så kan du selvfølgelig kjøpe våpen som du slipper å lære noe nytt med, som er av den grunnen “lettere” å bruke.
            Det du ikke skal få lov til er å lyge om at noen våpen har “feil grep”, og du får ikke lov å lyge at dette er noe som du “vet”, siden jeg vedder på at du har omtrent ikke skutt med våpenet i noe betraktelig grad, noe du selv delvis innrømmer. Dine andre argumenter om pris og en hel rekke andre ting er selvfølgelig fra samme kategorien som alle dine argumenter -fullstendig svada.
            For min del er diskusjonen herved avsluttet.

            And to our english-speaking readers:
            “iksnilol” first claimed the “grip was wrong”, then reluctantly admitted he has little experience with the Glock and suffers from “muscle memory”, ie habitual ergonomic problems.
            From what I understand he is not an avid shooter, and has very little experience with Glocks, and hates them because he has no desire to learn how to actually use one, hence the “overpriced” claims and other void arguments.

          • iksnilol

            How is it a void argument? Again, compare a Glock with a CZ 85b: They cost the same yet one gives better performance with a wider variety of shooters. You could say that the CZ is good value, unless you count that there’s plenty of other pistols in the same price range with similar performance. Ergo, the Glock is overpriced.

            Then you make claims that I claimed things I didn’t. Simply put, I said that the Glock grip isn’t ergonomic and whilst usable it is far from optimum. So for me, the discussion is over simply because you are dishonest.

          • Nicks87

            Make sure the webbing between your index finger and thumb is as high on the back strap as possible and you should stop shooting high with Glocks. I do understand for some people this is impossible because of the shape of their hand and may result in slide bite. So if you are one of those people, I’m sorry but you might be justified in your dislike of Glocks.

    • RickH

      But that’s the thing, I admire the construction of the pistol, but I’ve never really enjoyed shooting it that much. And it has all to do with the ergonomics (for me), the grip angle and the weird trigger guard (glock knuckle). After 30 years I would think that a company would have some diversion from the original design. They don’t have to tout “perfection” as the end all. Which is why my handgun of choice is my Walther P99AS, it fits my hand perfectly and also has two more grip replacements included, along with alternate height front sites. Just my choice and opinion for myself.

    • De Facto

      Beg to differ. I was quite alone in my journey into the firearms world. I taught myself how to load a magazine, rack a slide, and pull a trigger. I’m sure I was that n00b that makes everyone else at the range nervous. First pistol I ever shot was a S&W 22S. It was tame, the grip wasn’t terrible, but it wasn’t great either. I liked it okay. Keep in mind that no one had mentioned “grip angles” or “bore axis” to me. I had decided to purchase a full sized pistol, so I rented and tried the following in one range session.
      HK P30
      Springfield XD
      Glock 19
      Beretta 92
      CZ75
      SIG P226

      Of those, I was most accurate in this order.
      CZ75, Beretta 92, HK P30, XD, SIG, Glock 19

      I was most comfortable in this order.
      HK P30, CZ75, XD, Beretta 92, SIG, Glock 19

      I actually went into that test with a slight prejudice, since a character in one of my favorite shows never went anywhere without his G17.

      I don’t hate Glocks, but they don’t fit me well. Telling me to just get used to it and it’s perfectly fine doesn’t make sense unless I’m in a military unit or a Police Department of some kind where I have to use the same weapon as my colleagues. Even if that were so, on my own time and dime, I would still use the pistol that I prefer. That’s why the free market exists. To give people choices. Those complaints about SIG and Glock weren’t invented by competitors. They exist because there is no true one size fits all, and no “perfect” pistol – only the pistol with traits you prefer that fits you best.

      • Bill

        Sure, it’s why cars come with adjustable seats and steering columns, and I guess some even have adjustable pedals. I have guns I “prefer,” but like Musashi I don’t want to be dependent on any particular weapon. No off the shelf duty pistol will ever fit the shooter like an ISU Free Pistol, but too many people blame grip angle or bore axis or too-tight underwear and write off the gun, instead of attempting to work with it.

        I use the car example frequently and on purpose. As a rookie I was signed a POS cruiser that had it’s seat stuck permanently in the forward most position. I have a 36 inch inseam. While not optimal, it wasn’t an excuse for performing poorly as an emergency vehicle operator. I learned to use what I had. And no one who has been through our 1200 round 5 day basic pistol course leaves knowing that can’t operate the gun in adverse conditions effectively, no matter the type of pistol.

        Well, except those who fail.

        Given the choice, I would like a gun that warned me of impending gunfights, so I could leave beforehand, but until then I’ll ignore grip angle and bore axis and grip circumference and sight paint jobs and mag release length and all the other things people fuss over and concentrate on the front sight and trigger press.

        • Doom

          “but too many people blame grip angle or bore axis or too-tight underwear
          and write off the gun, instead of attempting to work with it.”

          I agree with this. I always had mediocre accuracy with my Glock 17 until I finally figured out the right way to hold it and align the sights. Now I can put all 17 rounds in a 3-4 inch group at 10 yards as fast as I can pull the trigger. It was so satisfying upon finally breaking the code.

  • Jack Griffin

    8000 rounds and “zero” malfunctions? Dat maintenance tracker. Dat cleaning rotation.

    • Pete M

      Yup. I just count empty ammo boxes and brass.

  • DW

    tl;dr : It’s a glock what do you expect, happy April fools!

  • Yep pictures or links and Diqus kicks it back for my ok—

    • manBear

      Ah ok cool

  • Amit Nachman

    You did not have -1- failure to feed, extract, stovepipe, or anything else in 7000-8000 rounds? I find that incredible. Not saying it’s not true, its just very unusual in my experience. In any case the G19 and G17 are both indeed very very good choices for a carry gun. Not sure why you would buy them if you don’t carry them though, that is like buying a Toyota Camry to display in a car collection. Nice article in any case 🙂

    • Pete M

      Yup. Not one. Honestly, quality ammo is the key.

      I had a Sig 229 SA/DA in .357Sig go 17K rounds with zero failures.

      • Amit Nachman

        I think you may be better at cleaning your pistol than I am though.

        • R H

          I’ve got a G19 that’s somewhere around 5K and it has yet to malfunction. I don’t even feed it quality ammo. It normally gets whitebox or that perfecta ammo from Wally World, but it’s had a fair share of Tula Brass Maxx and even a little steel cased stuff. I do have an issue with some range ammo wanting to eject straight back into my face though. As far as cleaning, it gets cleaned every 2-3 months with Ballistol, but only because it’s one of my two primary carry guns.

          • Pete M

            Love Ballistol.

    • Doom

      He just got lucky unless he is not including dud rounds or only uses very high quality ammo even when plinking.

      I have had a couple of stove pipes with underpowered and sticky cased Brown bear lacquered ammo. And I also had basically 30-40 failures in a box of aguila 9mm that must have had a half charges or something. maybe it was just too cold, I was shooting and it was like 10 degrees out so maybe that caused the problem. Mosin and Kalashnikov soldiered on that day though 😀

      But with ammo that actually functions I have never had a problem. it even eats up wolf and begs for more. Wish I weren’t so poor and could feed them all more often.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    lol

  • Big Daddy

    I started shooting handguns late in life due to where I lived. I moved to Texas so I no longer have that issue. My only experience before that was the 1911 in the Army. I tried a Glock 17 and it almost jumped out of my hand. I was happy with the handguns I had but as I became more knowledgeable and a more proficient shooter I gravitated toward a G26 for CC. It kind of fit my hand in a way but not really, I liked it though. I decided to shoot it and used it for my CHL qualification after only shooting it one session because of the reliability and accuracy. I scored a perfect score for my CHL with it.

    I was extremely lucky to find my favorite range was also a major Glock distributor and repair center. I got to handle and shoot every Glock made for the USA market. The owner has his original Glock with 200,000 rounds through it, yes 200K.

    Your Glock has a lifetime warranty. They will replace any part and as far as I know a service center will supply you with new recoil springs and other internals to keep it running for free.

    I do prefer the older Glocks, I love my GEN 2 G22 with Lone Wolf 9mm conversion barrel. I also recently traded a 1911 for an older G30 which is the softest shooting .45 ACP I ever shot and I had a S&W M&P in .45 ACP as well as shot many other .45s including 1911s. The only other .45 I liked was an Ed Brown 1911 which was like butter, that gun is true perfection and it’s difficult to like another 1911 after that. I was spoiled, yes they are that good. But for that price I can buy half a dozen various Glocks and ammo for them. Police trade-in Glocks can be had for $300.

    I do have some problems with my hands, they are battered and with arthritis. So I do modify the grips on them to make them more comfortable. Nothing radical, I remove the grip bumps, I do not know what they are called technically and don’t care they are bumps like speed bumps. The only reason they are there from what I understand was to be able to get more shipped into the country as a target pistol rather than a combat one. More stupid rules and laws. I also back-cut the trigger guard to get that middle finger higher up on the grip, again nothing radical. I also do a little stippling.

    I now own 7 and have my sights on a G20 and G34 in the future. The G20 can also use the .45 ACP G21 slide without modification. Also another G22 because I have the .357 SIG barrel for it and I absolutely love that round. I like the idea of having some ammo choices especially after the difficulty finding 9mm a while back.

    If someone had told me years ago I would be a Glock guy I would just not agree with them. I sold all my other handguns at this point because by far the Glock has the ability to be converted or modified to a gun most everybody can shoot well. The modularity and aftermarket support is unsurpassed. The only other gun that might have matched it or maybe even bypassed it is the SIG 320, we will see in time if that is true.

    • Pete M

      Awesome.

  • Pete M

    I can’t wait for the comments that flow in when I show you guys my home-stippled, grey Cerakoted, color-filled lettering G19 on an upcoming review. It’s a purist’s nightmare. 😬

  • Gotcha——-

  • Doom

    I absolutely love my Gen 4 Glock 17. Been carrying it since about 4 months after I turned 18.

  • Antoua B

    This is exactly kind of reviews so well written that really makes you wanna get out and go shopping right away. Without hesitation, I could say this is the best review ever made on a Glock pistol, 9mm not being my favorite caliber but regardless it’s awesome review. Wish someone would write up a nice review on Glock 20 and how they held up after 8k rounds. Cheers

  • Khezquiyahu Yisrael

    Great article, I’ve enjoyed Glocks for about 2 decades and I love them. Great photography also. Looking forward to following your page.

  • Richard Lutz

    A timeless classic. When I first tried a Model 17 back in the 1980s I could not believe how light and easy to shoot it was. A game changer. That said, the Model 19 is the better all-round defensive pistol as it is big enough for use as a service pistol but small enough for CCW. The Gen3 is best as it is simpler and its parts are interchangeable with Gen1 an Gen2 Glocks, while the Gen4 magazine release is more prone to accidental activation.

  • STU g

    As far as tupperware guns are concerned, Glock rates high. Can’t compare, however, to steel framed, better guns like the Beretta M9 and the CZ-75B. YMMV