Seraphim Armoury’s Nomad Pistol: 12 Gauge Short Barrel Shotgun

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Coming soon to a Canadian wasteland near you, Seraphim Armoury has started importing their Nomad pistol to Canada. With some clear Mad Max inspiration (or Desperado if you prefer) the side-by-side shotgun features a bird’s head grip, tang safety, a red fiber optic front sight, and a single trigger.

The Nomad is made in Turkey to Seraphim’s specs and design, with two 9 inch cylinder bore barrels. A 6 inch barrel version is also planned, along with a full stock non-restricted version and an over-under variant.

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A brief explanation of Canadian law here: shortening a barrel to less than 18″ by sawing or cutting is explicitly prohibited. But newly manufactured barrels do not have the same restrictions. Because the overall length of this firearm is less than 26″ it is classified as restricted, must be registered with the government, and can only be fired at an approved range. A version with a full length stock that brought the OAL to over 26″ would be non-restricted under Canadian law, with looser transport requirements and technically legal for hunting.

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Personally, I’d have a ton of respect for the stealthy hunter who puts a slug into a deer at 20 yards using a full stock version, but I can’t see myself using one outside of a cowboy action shoot.

The Nomad uses extractors (the over-under version will use ejectors) and is chambered for 2 & 3/4 inch twelve gauge shells.

MSRP is currently ballparked at $699 CAD ($532 USD) depending on model and is expected to be showing up on gun store shelves later this Spring.

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Edward O

Edward is a Canadian gun owner and target shooter with a Bachelorโ€™s Degree in Journalism. Crawling over mountains with tactical gear is his idea of fun. He blogs at TV-Presspass and tweets @TV_PressPass.


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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Approves.

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Thunder and lightning with one pull of the trigger. Never bring a knife to a gun fight!

      • HenryV

        ๐Ÿ™‚ I think the idea is you scare the opposition to death not because you carry a gun but because you are that crazy you carry one of these short boom sticks.

        (That was hard to say. And I am still not happy with it.)

    • Kyle_D

      *Approvessh

      • Anonymoose

        *ded*

    • John Marston approves as well

      • avconsumer2

        They really need to get that sequel going.

        • iksnilol

          They’re making it. I think it is going to be called Red Dead Revenge. At least that’s what scuttlebutt says.

          • Anon. E Maus

            Hope they release it for PC this time, then, because I would love to mod it and add and alter the guns to be more real.

          • iksnilol

            That and buy it on Steam ๐Ÿ˜›

        • I know right?

    • Twilight sparkle

      Alice approves twice

  • gusto

    A sawn of o/u is just plain wrong

    • Harrison Jones

      I’d be cool with a holster. Nice and slim!

    • OPERATOR

      It’s not sawn off if it comes from the factory that way!

      We Strelok now. CHEEKI BREEKI IV DAMKE

      • This guy. This guy gets it. This guy needs to GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

        • Brett

          This blog can not go for one day without a S.T.A.L.K.E.R. reference. I enjoy them but damn.

      • Anonymoose

        Don’t forget about the “Pistole” from Uncharted.

    • iksnilol

      Easier to holster. I don’t mind it.

  • FriendOfJohnnyM

    I LEGALLY own an even better version of that, and it’s even legal in CALIFORNIA!
    17-7/8″ overall length.
    12″ barrels.
    Side-by-side shotgun.
    Shoots buckshot or .610 diameter round ball slugs.
    Converts from pistol to “short barreled rifle” in 10 seconds with optional shoulder stock, then back to pistol in 4 seconds- LEGALLY.
    NO federal tax stamp needed.
    NO FFL needed to buy.
    No NICS check. No transfer fees.
    Delivered right to your door via UPS.

    Google “Howdah Hunter”, and find it at Cabela’s for around $800, and $200 for the shoulder stock.

    You’re welcome!

    • gunsandrockets
      • FriendOfJohnnyM

        Get a matching pair!

        • HenryV

          Get a bandoleer to hold half a dozen and toss ’em as you go. ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Harrison Jones

      Those are cool but muzzle loading is a little messy for me.

      • FriendOfJohnnyM

        Buy or make “speed loaders” for it- I can load both barrels in less than 30 seconds.

        • Harrison Jones

          To much work! Hard to beat 20 cent bird shot.

          • maodeedee

            Use Hodgdon’s triple 777 Instead of BP And clean-up is a lot easier Just use patches that are damp with soapy water followed by Thompson/ Center No. 13 Bore Cleaner. I’ve also used Hoppes number 9 with good results.

      • gunsandrockets

        But but, think of all that lovely smoke!

    • AD

      Very cool! How well does it shoot?

    • Anon. E Maus

      Hella cool, especially with that loading rod under the barrel.
      They don’t load as fast though.

  • Harrison Jones

    Not sure how the NFA is affected by import laws but with an AOW tax these would see like hotcakes. I hope they could import the receivers and then the rest of the parts separatley. With all the people getting trusts now I can see the $5 stamp as a selling point vs the $200 stamp. For sub $600 with stamp I’d buy one.

    • There are already companies in the US that sale these as SBS or AOW at a similar price point.

      • Harrison Jones

        Any you suggest?

    • Bill

      I’d take two, and holsters, and a Mare’s Leg, and a wrist crossbow, and a speargun, and a katana, and a sickle…

      • Harrison Jones

        Got to have something to hang in the man cave!!! And mess with your friends on guys weekends. Just tell em the they’re loaded with low recoil loads or better yet low recoil on the first and full power on the second!

        • Jwedel1231

          With friends like you, who needs enemies?

      • Henry Repeating Arms sells non nfa mare’s leg pistols.

    • Anonymoose

      If they did it as a .45/.410 we wouldn’t have to worry about any import laws, just like the Judge, but it would still be illegal in Commiefornia, just like the Judge, Governor, and TC Contender.

      • Harrison Jones

        They’ve had cheap 45/410 double pistols in the past. The 410 personally doesn’t appeal to me. I want a 12ga like in eldorado or mad max!

      • Jwedel1231

        I’m surprised that fresh air and sunshine isn’t illegal in California at this this point.

        • Anonymoose

          It’s not illegal? Wow, that’s news to me. I thought it was all smog, all the time there.

          • Jwedel1231

            They are both “known to the state of California to cause cancer”, but they are still legal to obtain. For now.

      • cuda1179

        As long as it’s only the pistol grip version, and has an overall length over 26 inches, the barrels may be of any length and still be legal in the US without any tax stamps or permits.

        • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

          If it fires a shotgun shell and has a barrel under 18″ in California it’s considered a “short barreled shotgun” EVEN THOUGH it’s not legally or federally a Shotgun. In fact, California doesn’t even consider it legally a shotgun, but a firearm doesn’t have to be a shotgun first in CA for it to still be considered a short barreled shotgun.

          And that’s exactly why it would be illegal in CA and exactly why the Judge, Governor, or anything that shoots a .410/.45 is illegal in CA.

          • Porty1119

            The exception in CA is AOWs, as far as I can tell. Things like the Serbu SS are A-OK there. Strangely.

    • cuda1179

      There is a way to get a short-barreled shotgun that is NOT an AOW, nor is it technically a short barreled shotgun.
      In order to be a short-barreled shotgun a weapon must first be a shotgun, and a shotgun is defined as having (or had at some point) a stock. So, a pistol-grip only shotgun can NEVER be a short barreled shotgun.
      As long as the overall length is over 26 inches it is also not an Any Other Weapon.

      This means if you have a weapon, chambered in 12 gauge, with a pistol grip, and over 26 inches you may have any length barrel you want. No tax stamps or permits needed.

      • Eric S

        Not quite. Anything over .50 caliber is considered a destructive device under the NFA. That method would only work with 28ga and smaller.

        Now, to find out if I can import an AOW..

        • cuda1179

          12 gauge is exempted

  • Dracon1201

    The over under is sexy.

  • You’re right. How else would you describe that elongated pistol grip?

    • chase

      i think you just did…

    • Anonymoose

      Donkey-dick.

    • hellofromillinois

      “elongated pistol grip.” ๐Ÿ˜‰

  • Devil_Doc

    That O/U is sick. Can anyone briefly explain the difference between AOW and SBS in this context?

    • Cymond

      If it has, or has ever had, a shoulder stock then it must be a SBS. If it was made with a pistol grip only, then it can be registered as an AOW. The transfer tax on a SBS is $200, the transfer tax on an AOW is $5, but the manufacturing tax is $200 for either.
      Of course, these guns are being sold in Canada, and we’re discussing US law.

      • cuda1179

        If they managed to make a version that was over 26 inches in overall length it would be MUCH easier to import and for us to buy in the US. It wouldn’t be a SBS or an AOW. It would simply be a “firearm” and no tax stamps or permits of any kind needed.

        • Jwedel1231

          Not just 26″+ OAL, but 18″+ barrel.

          • cuda1179

            Wrong. As long as it came factory equipped without a stock you may have any length barrel you wish. In order to be a “short barreled shotgun” it must first be a shotgun, and a weapon without a stock does not qualify as a shotgun, therefore can never be a short barreled shotgun.
            A 12-gauge purchased as a pistol-grip-only is technically only classified as a “firearm”, not as a shotgun. Keep its overall length above 26 inches (regardless of barrel length) and no permits are needed. Trust me, I’ve momentarily pissed off the local law enforcement with this once (Mossberg 500 with 14 inch barrel and birds head grip) until I proved it was legal, then they just wanted to shoot it.

          • Jwedel1231

            That’s really interesting. Pardon my ignorance.

          • cuda1179

            If I had it to do over again I wouldn’t use a 12-gauge though. Kicks like all hell. I think a .410 would be almost as cool, but much less pain on the right thumb.

  • Cymond

    There’s a lot of companies offering pump AOWs and SBS, and some offering double barrel SBS, but a double barrel AOW seems to be as rare as hen’s teeth.

    • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

      It’s because no one sells just the receivers, so you have to use a stocked donor gun. Since it shipped from the factory with a stock, you can’t AOW it and must SBS it instead.

      The reason you can get AOW versions of the 870/500/1300 is because those companies will sell just receivers that you can build up from, or a donor gun without a stock, so they are never legally “shotguns” to begin with.

      • Cymond

        Oh yeah, I understand the “why”.
        I was addressing his statement that “There are already companies in the US that sale these as SBS or AOW at a similar price point.”
        I don’t know of ANY double barrel AOWs, except I found one guy who had a gunsmith make a custom receiver for him (and the original, valuable 20ga Ithaca Auto & Burglar).

  • Cymond

    Chiappa showed off a 45/410 double barrel pistol at SHOT show, and it occurred to me later that it could maybe become a 12ga AOW with a simple barrel swap.

    • cuda1179

      If it truly was a pistol grip you don’t need to make it an AOW. There is a legal loophole that allows you to have any length barrel you want, as long as you have a pistol grip and an overall length longer than 26 inches. No tax stamps or permits needed. I have confirmed this personally with the ATF and the local law enforcement.

      • Cymond

        Yeah, but how long would those barrels have to be? 20 inches?
        I want a full-on Max Max shorty.
        I’ve googled around, and there seems to be a niche market for a double barrel AOW, mainly for the cool factor.

        • cuda1179

          Well…. it looks like you’re close. 17.5 inch barrels would put you over the length limit. Although, to be honest, I’d rather have the extra half inch and NOT be prosecuted by mistake. This little trick seems to work better with pump guns.

  • Will it come to the US too, eventually?

    • Twilight sparkle

      If enough people are willing to pay $200 extra

  • USMC03Vet

    “and can only be fired at an approved range”

    Does the owner have to fill out a permission slip every time they want to go to the range?

    • Jose Maritorena

      Owners of restricted firearms will be either classified as collectors (not allowed to go to a range and shoot them at all) or marksmen (i think that is the current name) which means that you have to belong to a gun club in order to shoot them. In British Columbia, if you belong to a range, you can go to that range any time it is open to shoot. You are also allowed to take them to any certified range in the province to attend shooting events. No permission slips are needed, all you require is your licence and your authorization to transport certificate.

      • Swarf

        Sounds worse than a permission slip.

        • Hugo Dewitt

          You have to raise your hand to go to the bathroom at the range. You only get ten bathroom trips a quarter. Use them wisely, sincerely The Bathroom Police.

          • Porty1119

            What is this, high school all over again?

          • Hugo Dewitt

            Just get a permission slip and everything will be OK.

        • USMC03Vet

          Apparently you also have to have your wife write an approval letter to own a handgun in Canada too.

  • Anonymoose

    I really want that Saiga-12 SBS that they have listed under “Coming Soon,” though!

    • Giolli Joker

      It really looks straight out of Tromix’ website…

    • Contact them by phone. They may able to quote you a price and time frame.

  • Kovacs Jeno

    I want that shorty o/u badly! Uhmmmm…and that is legal here, too (on sportshooter licence.)

  • AD

    That grip shape looks strange to me, but then I’ve never held something like this. For anyone who’s actually held one of these (or something similar), was the grip comfortable?

    • wetcorps

      The angled grip is probably made to reduce the chances of cutting the web of your hand witht he openning lever when the gun recoils.

  • I want an O/U AOW 20ga pistol to carry in a shoulder rig with a zoot suit; that O/U up there is just about the classiest scattergun I’ve ever seen.

  • iksnilol

    Sawn offs are good for wolves and other quick critters.

  • Robert Martin

    EE!!!
    One of the great beauties of these type Shotgun Pistols is the graceful “Plowhandle Grip” but once again we see a “Semi-Sawhandle Grip” instead. ARRRGHHH!!!
    โ€ฆ..RVM45

  • Markius Fox

    Can the US just nuke the NFA so we can have fun guns like this without the bullcrap red tape and hoop jumping? Alex C. would you be okay with that?

    Unrelated; I wonder what I would have to do to import a 1890 manufacture Gewehr 1888/05 into Canada…

  • William Nelson

    To paraphrase an old meme: I’d have sex with all those shotguns.

    They are some pretty bits of violence for sure.

  • scaatylobo

    REALLY, for use on “approved” ranges and then a registered gun .
    Gee so much freedom,bet you anything its NOT legal to use in a S/D situation.
    SO ,why bother ?.

  • Great_Baldung

    Boom – uh, cudgel?