Alpha Dog Railed Silencer

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I came across this interesting suppressor in a post about the Stone Mountain Machine Gun Shoot. Alpha Dog Silencers will be there and having a raffle. I was more intrigued by their design. They have added a picatinny rail onto their silencer. Now we have seen useless rails on accessories but this might not be so bad. From the photos below, it appears that they incorporated non adjustable iron sights into the suppressor. I looked at their website and it seems this suppressor can be indexed at 12, 3, 6, and 9 O’clock positions. Allowing accessories to be positioned where ever the shooter prefers. I will be going to Stone Machine Gun Shoot on April 30 and will definitely be checking this suppressor out. I want to know if too much weight will cause the pistol to malfunction?

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There are a few benefits to having your accessories on the suppressor rail. Grip lasers will often hit the side of a suppressor.

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By mounting your light as far forward as possible, you can eliminate barrel shadow.

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Also by adding a red dot sight, you do not have to modify your gun to have a red dot. Since the suppressor indexes, I am curious how well a red dot can maintain zero on this suppressor design. And will heat be an issue for the optic or any accessory mounted to the suppressor?

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There is another reason to have a picatinny rail on a suppressor. MP5s. I cannot run my Surefire fore grip light on my Zenith Turkish MP5 with a suppressor at the same time. The head of the flashlight interferes with the body of a suppressor mounted onto the trilug. So having this suppressor on the MP5 I could run a flashlight at the same time.

Here is a video I found of the Alpha Dog being used on a Glock.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Evan

    I like the idea of sights on a suppressor, but adding accessories to one seems to me like it would just make the pistol overly front heavy

    • Anon. E Maus

      It also seems like it would interfere with the operation of a short-recoil pistol.

  • iksnilol

    Seems neat, that way you have the suppressor and light in one handy package that you can take on and off.

  • Threethreeight

    Ribbed for the operator’s pleasure.

  • Odie Tucker

    Throw a foregrip on there and SBR it 😀

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Grenade launcher.

  • Bigbigpoopi

    80’s movies are becoming real!

    • uisconfruzed

      HILARIOUS! Great find!

  • Joe Schmo

    These guys are in Connecticut, where the gun store I work at is located. They demo’d their suppressors at our range with as much gear as you can throw on them, and they worked fine. The dude’s were really nice as well.

    I don’t know if I’d throw my Streamlight TLR-1S on the bottom of a suppressor, but its nice to have options, I suppose.

  • Madcap_Magician

    Seems like the ability to add various nonspecific weights to random points of the suppressor would cause some reliability issues.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Makes it impossible to quickly turn lights/lasers off and on.

    • m-cameron

      sure……if you are an amputee…..

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        You have to reach up 6 more inches to turn on the light and put your fingers near the muzzle.

        • m-cameron

          im sure that extra 6″ is really going to strain your off hand elbows……

          and whats wrong with having fingers near your muzzle?…..hell, on my carbine, my fingers are only 2″ away from my muzzle…….so long as they remain behind it, its not an issue

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I didn’t say it was a strain I said it would slow you down. And your carbine probably has a grip of some kind that stops your hand. Fumbling around in the dark trying to turn on a light switch that close to the muzzle is a potential hazard.

    • Kevin Riley

      Make the light wifi compatible and respond to two voice commands only – light on, light off.

      One can dream!

    • Jwedel1231

      One of the few times that a pressure switch might make some sense.

  • On the surface, it seems like a great way to destroy any accessories with a polymer body or parts. The excess heat can’t be healthy for batteries either.

    • m-cameron

      how many polymer handguards do you see melting?

      unless you are buying airsoft grade equipment with cheese grade plastic, they arent going to melt

      • Charlie Taylor

        Polymer handguards are offset from the heat source, and have heat shields. A suppressor on a full-auto platform can LITERALLY start glowing red after enough rounds, and would melt plastic far before that point.

        • m-cameron

          if you can 1) afford a full auto……2) afford to feed a full auto to the point of it glowing red……and 3) afford a suppressor…..

          im guessing you have enough coin to replace the occasional light or two…..

  • Pete M

    I like the “backup” sights.

    I’m not sure I’d ever mount anything to the rail though.

    May have to buy one just to try it out! 😀

  • Pete M

    Is she wearing a Brown Coat in a nod to FireFly? If so, I just got closer to buying one.

    • ozzallos .

      Noticed that too. What is the theme here? Browncoats clearing a house?

  • adding more weight to a suppressor, specially one that is on a tilting barrel gun is never a good idea.

    • TechnoTriticale

      re: …tilting barrel…

      …rotating barrel, or any short recoil where the barrel moves. And there’s really no way to qualify it for any platform, because the suppressor maker has no idea what people are going to hang off the rail.

      Use on blow-back or delayed blow-back might be OK (rigid barrel), but that walks away from a big chunk of the potential market.

      This story would have made more sense 25 days ago.

      • uisconfruzed

        I’ll bite, what happened 25 days ago?

        • Jwedel1231

          I second that. What happened on April 1st?

          • TechnoTriticale

            So had this story been published on April Fools’ Day, would anyone have taken it seriously?

  • derfelcadarn

    Look, if you are going to add on that much to a pistol you may as well carry a rifle.

    • Nashvone

      The only reason you need a pistol is to get back to the rifle you never should have dropped in the first place.

  • Gorilla Biscuit

    Needs more rail bayonet. Preferably something sword length to go with the theme of, long unweildy and difficult to use efficiently.

  • Justin Roney

    Hanging additional weight on the barrel, when you already need a Nielsen booster for the gun to cycle correctly, would seem to reduce the reliability margin of a gun that functions well with a suppressor, and might cause cycling problems with guns that are already finicky suppressor hosts.

    This also puts more stress on the barrel threads. And appreciable amount? Maybe, maybe not.

    Although quality accessories like Streamlight, Surefire, and Crimson Trace are engineered to withstand repeated recoil, you’re also putting additional stress on them with the barrel/suppressor movement.

    Just some thoughts.

  • Adam D.

    What about heat? Won’t this fry a red dot or polymer parts of a light?

    • uisconfruzed

      On a 9mm?

      • ozzallos .

        You go ahead and touch that thing after running it hard.

        • uisconfruzed

          I keep telling my wife not to.

      • iksnilol

        I swear to St. Patrick, some people don’t seem to grasp that 15-30 rounds of anything is going to heat up a suppressor.

        • uisconfruzed

          5.56 heat my cans up quick!
          the 300BLK sonic don’t get it nearly as hot. A 9mm round has 1/2 the powder and less pressure than the 300BLK.

  • AD

    I like the sights. I’ve heard that one advantage of pushing the rear sight forwards is it’s supposed to make it easier to quickly line up your sights? Isn’t that the principle that those Caracal pistols were operating on? If so then these could be a very functional way to add a silencer to a pistol without having to mess with the pistol’s sights.

  • Budogunner

    1) There is most definitely a point where weight will prevent cycling even with a Nielson device. Giving people ways to risk this seems like a poor choice.
    2) Unless you are a mall ninja and keep them for show, cans get HOT. I foresee a lot of melted accessories.

    • Nicholas C

      Yes but that can be said for any firearm accessory. Mount a plastic handguard on a gun and fire it enough times in rapid succession, it will melt off. I dont see any harm in using this with your brain. Don’t do mag dumps after mag dumps just to torture test it. That is not realistic. I could see someone using this for HD and at most they have a full mag. Or better yet use it in a night match. Lots of options here.

      • steveday72

        Hmm… a plastic handguard attaches to mounting points away from the barrel and they (usually) have heatshields between them.

        A closer equivalent to this would be mounting accessories onto a railed gas-block fitted to an AR-15. I can’t imagine anything with electronics or plastic parts (electronics are usually enclosed plastic parts, even SMD devices) lasting very long under such circumstances.

  • Jwedel1231

    I think it is actually a good idea, but not for laser/red dot/any sort of aiming device. If you put a aluminum body flashlight w/ a pressure switch on there, I think this is a winner.

  • TheUnspoken

    I don’t think I would want suppressor rail mounted optics or lights/lasers on any browning action, tilting barrel like 90% of semi auto pistol suppressor hosts. The bouncing accessories would be weird. A fixed barrel host could work, Beretta 92, HK p9s, etc.

  • Brett

    I would rather have some kind of adjustable sights on it instead of rail. It would give you a it’s own point of aim for suppressed point of impact.

  • Gorilla Biscuit

    Well the internals look snazzy!

  • me

    I want to know about using this on a carbine like the TNW Aero? It does not come with sites but it looks like Alpha Dog only allows pistol attachment. It would be really nice if the Alpha Dog would work with a three lug system.