I laughed when I saw this photo. Imagining the owner shouting at his gun to eat its food is hilarious. The owner was having magazine issues. It almost looks staged, like he just poured ammo into the ejection port and took a picture. This feeding malfunction looks atrocious.


  • Anon

    I have the same problem when i force my tristar to eat its steel cased vegetables. Bad cz turkish love child.

  • TC

    I had a Cobray M11, it functioned with monotonous regularity, wish I still had it.

    • Anon. E Maus

      They work WAY better with steel magazines if you can find them, the zytel mags were never really good. Some small company recently began making steel magazines for the 9mm and .380 M11s

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Ive had some FTE/FTF problems lately with my M-16.
    I replaced the extractor spring and o-ring but havent tested it yet.

    • Anonymoose

      Nothing like this, hopefully.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        No thankfully.
        I may need a heavier buffer to slow it down too.

        • milesfortis

          Is your ’16 standard configuration, M4 or MK18?

          Be careful of over weighting your bolt carrier/buffer. Too heavy and it just won’t slow it down, you’ll start getting failure to eject/stovepipe/bolt over base malfunctions.
          Look at replacing the ‘buffer spring’.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Well my dad bought it in 1985 so im sure its standard. The bolt is identical to every other AR/16 ive ever seen. The carrier is obviously different for select fire. So you think I need a stiffer buffer spring?

          • milesfortis

            Standard stock and 20″ barrel?
            Uncle has a measurement spec. It’s supposed to be less than 13 1/2″, more than 11 3/4″ long.

            But, a 30 year old spring? They’re cheap, I’d replace it, and look at how beat up the buffer is as well.
            Just me, but I’d be looking at the hammer/trigger disconnector and their springs as well.

            And you do have a full maintenance TM, right?

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Standard stock, 11″ barrel. Magpul furniture. But yeah the buffer spring is original as well as the buffer. Like I said I replaced the extractor spring and put in a beefier o ring but I don’t have a full maintenance manual.

          • milesfortis

            No dang it, that’s a Carbine’s collapsible stock. And as close to an ‘upgraded’ XM177E2 clone you’ll see.

            Now you’re dealing with multiple factors.
            ‘Buffer’ spring length should be 10 1/16″ to 11 1/4″

            You’ve got throat erosion and port erosion to think about. Buffer weight, which is why the H & H2 came about to counter increased gas due to port erosion.
            Replacing the extractor spring and O ring is a good first step, but not knowing how your barrel is doing is going to cause you headaches. Anything and everything in the gas system has to come under more intense scrutiny.

            Do you know a LGS with a ‘smith that has M16 gages?

            If all you have in it is a standard weight Carbine buffer, you may need to go up to an H or even an H2. Some companies market even heavier weights.

            The short guns take all the operational forgiveness that Stoner built into the rifle and minor problems that wouldn’t make a M16A1/A2 bat an eye will make a shorty choke.
            Welcome to the club.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Well, thats a lot to consider.
            Ive never heard the terms throat and port erosion.
            What issues would there be with the barrel. Its fairly new, maybe only 700 rds through it. I dont know anyone locally but im sure I can find one.
            Thanks for the advice.

          • milesfortis

            With that low of a round count you’ve not got any real worries with barrel wear.
            So, you’re extractor/spring replacement will probably do it.
            You also might look at you ejector and spring as the spring soaks up a lot of heat and that’s not good for it.
            What usually happens with people who own emmagees, particularly the M16 Lego, is they become their own gunsmith and buy their own tools and gages and download all the manuals.
            The only part you really can’t do much with is, of course, the lower, and that’s why some C2/7 guys have a good business catering to M16 owners.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah, I have to say I have learned a lot watching videos and reading online. I actually enjoy breaking it down and cleaning it while im watching TV or something.
            The only parts I dont mess with are, as you mentioned, the lower.
            Whats a C2/7?

          • milesfortis

            SOT manufacturer. And some of them can rebuild a lower from a blown up wreck or if the hammer/trigger/sear holes get egged etc.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Good to know, hopefully will never need that.
            Earlier you mentioned how it looked like an XM177E2. This is how it looked when I got it (with suppressor). https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9570759a63822431bbb948298ec9e79a8bf7930fcf417a9d99b27102eef0603.jpg

          • Ben

            If that stock is made out of aluminium, make sure you don’t lose it!

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Its plastic but why would I want to keep an aluminum one?

          • Ben

            They’re rather valuable. The original one from your carbine is probably Fiberite which are collectible too.

            I wouldn’t sell the original furniture if I were you though, I’d bet you’ll get a hankering to stick the original furniture back in a year or so if you get into ARs.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah, its all in the safe.
            Its the only rifle, or carbine, I own.

  • borekfk

    Reminds me of the TEC-DC9 I used to have. Wound up trading it for $50 more than I bought it for. Apparently they’re now becoming “collectable”.

    • TC

      Owned a Tec9, it jammed no matter what type of ammo. Sent it back to Intratec and it still jammed. Worst gun I ever owned.

      • borekfk

        Yeah, I once tried to go through the 40 round mag with a full 40 rounds. Had 7 malfunctions. Loaded up that 7 and had a further 2 malfs.

      • Budogunner

        I still think it is funny how the tec-9 was specifically trashed by the assault weapon ban. The streets would be a lot safer if they handed those jam-o-matics out to hang members for free. Much less gun violence when the guns don’t work.

        • TC

          Agreed. No more deadly than a baseball bat.

  • Paladin

    Is… Is that a quadruple feed?

  • RealitiCzech

    Either staged, or the feed lips broke and the mag threw everything into the chamber. Are the feed lips plastic by any chance?

    • It’s actually a not-uncommon failure in SMG magazines, if the feed lips bend. While Zytel lips are more prone to this, even steel lips can get out of whack, and the difference between a mag that works, and one that is a jiggle away from being a brass fountain can be fairly subtle when only using the MK1 MOD0 Eyeball Gauge.

      • Easiest way I’ve found to check these out is a feed lip gauge. If you don’t have a feed lip gauge, you can get a pretty good idea with the MK1 Eyeball gauge, and some rounds.

        Load one round, and look at how it’s seated. If the angle looks funky, it probably is (and generally it is too wide, although it can be too narrow, esoecially if someone has tried to fix sloppy feed lips) – should generally have a slight upward orientation (exact feed angle is dependant on the gun the mag us designed for, but they generally are in the same ballpark by eye).

        Wiggle the round slightly. If it moves really easily, it’s probably too loose.

        Load four or five more rounds, repeat. Look for cracks on the feedlips (or separation on any seams). Tap the bottom of the mag smartly, about like you’re checking an apple for firmness. If you get a brass fountain, you are too loose.

        Load mag to near capacity and repeat the five round check.

        Frankly, with a little experience, you can figure out any problem mags without getting to the fully loaded step, and you can sort 30 mags in about 10 minutes.

    • Andrew Miller

      I had a Cobray M11/9 back during The Ban years.
      Bought used, and it had 5 Zytel mags.
      Only one looked “used” and one day at the range, I was using that one.
      Had it almost half loaded when ZZZZZZZIP the lips finally failed and I had an ammo fountain of 9mm.
      Sort of funny now but at the time I just thought “F…now what? Guess I’m down to 4 and the short 12 rounder.

      Ended up selling the thing one day, but now that Steel mags are available I kind of wish I hadn’t.

  • mosinman

    one cannot contain the Proletariat in 75 round drums, Communisim cannot be stopped from spreading

  • Tassiebush

    So that’s what DVDA looks like?…

  • De Facto

    ….I’m trying to understand what made this possible. Feed lip failure?

    • Anon. E Maus


  • paulm53

    In Russia, gun feeds you!

  • Anon. E Maus

    I’m willing to bet those were Zytel mags he was using.

  • Old Vet

    Some of the old converted WWII mags would hang the follower and loose rounds would come pouring out when tilted.