Gun Review: KE Arms Aimpoint Glock (and Other 3-Gun Stealth Entrants)

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I was invited to attend the Superstition Mountain Mystery 3-Gun match in Mesa, Arizona at the request of KE Arms. KE Arms is a manufacturer, distributor, and retailer of all things firearms. This year at Superstition Mountain was a nexus of “new things” that had the potential to be noteworthy in our industry. Namely the first formal national 3-gun competition integrating the “Stealth Division” and the unveiling of a new prototype optic enabled pistol modification by KE Arms.

I have another post discussing the details and specifics of the Stealth Division (which all of the KE Arms provided weapons were compliant with)–I will not duplicate that information here.

Aimpoints and Glocks

The sexy entrant of the week was the forward mounted Aimpoint on the Glock slide. I had never run a pistol with an optic (RMR or otherwise) though I had been considering it for a while now. KE Arms only had two prototypes available for us to use during the match–which meant we had four shooters sharing them. The slide itself had to machined to accommodate the mount (much like the MOS cuts from Glock, though in the front).

Ignore the fuzz

Ignore the fuzz.  The carpet was shedding.

I want to be clear, the mount itself was solid and well executed, though not able to co-witness with iron sights. What I found was that I simply do not like an optic on the pistol. I found myself chasing the dot and forgetting the basics. I’m sure with more time on the platform I would get used to it but in the short term I found it distracting. No matter what, I think it is very important for any optic to be able to co-witness the iron sights (as a quick reference).

Looking down the slide.

Looking down the slide.

Also, it is going to take a specialized holster to accommodate the large optic on the top of the pistol and not interfere with the intensity dial. The holsters we had were basically put together overnight (a no small feat), and we did have a couple of issues.

Holsters custom made just before the match.

Holsters custom made just before the match.

While this modification is not quite ready for prime time, I think it is pretty close and I will be interested to see how it is received in the industry. I think optics are going to become more common place on pistols (just as they have on rifles)–I’m just currently in the category of “grumpy-old-man-throwing-beer-cans-at-the-kids-on-his-lawn” regarding the practice.

Prototype

Definitely a prototype–the slide cut was a bit close… 🙂

Shotgun Optic Mount

Just like with the pistol, I had never run a shotgun with an optic, and always thought a shotgun covered with picatinny rail was just silly. The KE Arms mount is very subtle and doesn’t really add much of any weight to the platform. It was low profile and does not require gunsmithing. Unfortunately you can only get it for the Micro/Beretta 1301 Comp.  If they had something for the Mossberg 930, I’d be all over it.

KE Arms Shotgun Optic Mount.

KE Arms Shotgun Optic Mount.

You can find out more information about the mount at: http://www.kearms.com/1301-comp-h1t1-mount

Rifle Modifications

The rifle that I was provided for the match was mostly constructed of KE Arms components. Pretty much everything except the barrel, scope mount, and scope. This rifle was definitely not off the shelf–it had been built out specifically for this match, using a number of components that KE Arms manufacturers.

My KE Arms rifle for the competition.

My KE Arms rifle for the competition.  The scope was provided by Nightforce.

Honestly my favorite component was the 45 degree selector switch (which can actually also be set to work as a standard 90 degree). This was the first time I really got to run a gun with one installed and I wasn’t initially sure how I was going to like it. It ended up being a pretty good mod. The throw to engage/disengage the safety was obviously much shorter, and thus required less movement to operate (which translates to that coveted savings of time during a match). Of course I negated the positive effects, by always dropping the magazine and clearing the chamber… 🙂

45 degree selector.

45 degree selector.

Flared Lower.

Flared Lower.  Ambidextrous mag release.

The rifle itself was pretty light–though I didn’t have a scale with me to note the exact weight.

The End…

Overall I was duly impressed with a number of the components specifically created by KE Arms (our provided weapons did have a few components from other vendors). And aside from that, the staff is super friendly–we had a ton of fun at the match.

I used to be a big fan of Strike Industries (and you still can’t beat the cost of their components), but I’m thinking of upgrading to KE Arms. I think they are a bit higher quality. I know I am going to add the shotgun mount to my Mossberg 930 JM Pro, and at least the 45 degree selector switch.

If you haven’t explored the acccessories and components that KE Arms offers please check them out: http://www.kearms.com/



Tom is a former Navy Corpsman that spent some time bumbling around the deserts of Iraq with a Marine Recon unit, kicking in tent flaps and harassing sheep. Prior to that he was a paramedic somewhere in DFW, also doing some Executive Protection work between shifts. Now that those exciting days are behind him, he has embraced his inner “Warrior Hippie” and assaults 14er in his sandals and beard, or engages in rucking adventure challenges while consuming craft beer. To fund these adventures, he writes medical software and builds websites and mobile apps. His latest venture is as one of the founders of IronSights.com; a search engine for all things gun related. He hopes that his posts will help you find solid gear that will survive whatever you can throw at it–he is known (in certain circles) for his curse…ahem, ability…to find the breaking point of anything.


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  • Jim Roberts TEST

    And the match results?

    • Doc Rader

      Don’t want to spoil it on this post.. 🙂 I have 2 more posts coming out about SMM3G in the next couple of days. I have a post devoted to the match itself.

    • It is on the SMMG website.

      A quick check shows 28th place.

  • Nicholas C

    I am interested in the Shotgun Optic mount. Got another pic of it? I have run optics on shotguns and I like them. KSG with Eotec is perfect. My 870 with Fastfire is great. Although I would like to be able to put the optic lower.

    I am not sure about putting the Aimpoint so forward on a Glock. Unity Tactical makes a mount but requires machining to the slide. I like the ALG Six Second Mount but as you said, optics on pistols without irons needs getting used to. For people starting to shoot with red dots on pistols, co-witnessing irons helps tremendously.

    • Doc Rader

      I’ll see what I can dig out. I seriously took 1800 photos (new camera); so sorting through them all is a bigger PITA than I initially anticipated.

      The mount itself is only for the Beretta, unfortunately. KE Arms seems to be pretty capable so I imagine with enough interest they could engineer one for other platforms. I would love one for my Mossberg 930…

      • Nicholas C

        Yeah you and me both about the 930. My JM Pro needs MORE MODS!!! LOL

        • Bmiller

          No, your mossberg 930 needs to turn into a Vepr 12! 😆

    • Doc Rader
    • JumpIf NotZero

      For people starting to shoot with red dots on pistols, co-witnessing irons helps tremendously.

      I’ll counter that with it helps new shooters skip the process of learning fundamentals immensely. … There is no doubt it’s easier to hit a target slowly with a pistol optic, I have STRONG doubts that this transfers to actually “helping” new shooters though.

      It’s a complex deal because on one hand I think 90% of mrds owners would be better to ditch them. On the other hand, it’s possible that with an optic you can see bad trigger discipline better than without. By watching the dot from shot to follow through (before it gets lost) you know if you’ve flinched.

      I don’t think handgun optics will go away – but I think this current generation is going to be looked upon in 10 years as we look upon cassette players now.

      • I disagree. Using optics allow you to separate the fundamentals.

        Using a pistol with an optic you first work on trigger control, which IME is the fundamental that most often screwed up. With proper trigger control even with absolutely terrible sight alignment you can still hit an 8″ target at 7-10 yards. But with horrible trigger control you can completely miss a huge full size B-27 target even with good sight alignment.

        Once you have the trigger control down, then you pull out the pistol with iron sights.

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    I’m beginning to become a huge fan of running “suppressor wraps” with their heat shielding on handguards for further heat shielding, more comfortable grip, and protection against running them on barriers like pictured.

  • MikeSmith13807

    The Aimpoint on a Glock is a dumb idea. Proper setup is an RMR in front of the rear sight with co-witnessed irons. I bet Gabe Suarez would be happy to explain it all to you and give you a demo!

  • Jwedel1231

    Anyone have any info on that ambi mag release?

  • Aaron E

    Not a fan of the large optic on the front of the slide, better to have a smaller one at the rear. Also not a fan of the machined Glock slide exposing the Extractor Depressor Plunger. Depending on shooting environment, getting dirt or debris into that area could cause a failure to eject/failure to fire.