[Big 3 East] HMG US Made STG-44

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Hill and Mac Gunworks have made a name for themselves by making a STG-44 replica in the US. The design is similar to the WWII classic. However for the sake of simplicity and ATF there are some notable changes. The HMG STG44 will be available in four calibers: 8mm Kurz, .223 Wylde, 7.62×39, and .300blk. According to the HMG guys, the .300blk is very interesting as it is ballistically similar to the original 8mm kurz round. They have designed the STG44 to be somewhat modular and that you can swap calibers easily.  Barrel kits will cost between $349-$499. The original trigger has something like 207 parts in it. To simplify this they are using a modified HK pack.

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HMG modified the recoil spring assembly so now the recoil spring is no longer inside the stock. They relocated the spring up into the dust cover like an AK. Due to the popularity of the uncoated prototype below, HMG will be making stainless models of their STG44.

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Unfortunately their STG44 sample was having some issues so I was unable to get trigger time on the gun. I was able to snap some photos of it with my 40rd PMAG and my D60 Drum mag which you saw above.

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The STG44 will be available later this year for $1799. The .223 barrels will be threaded with 1/2×28 and the 7.62 barrels will be threaded with 5/8×24. The STG44 suppresses very well but a note of caution, there are vents at the top of the gas block so be careful with thumb over bore grip techniques.

Blank firing adapters will be compatible for reinacting aficionados. The magazines will cost $29 each.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Swarf

    Those guys both look real surprised to be holding a gun.

    • ChierDuChien

      It looks like a toy in the hands of the big fellow.

  • J-

    Where can you get 8mm Kurz?

    • Ventura Muntions has it.

      It isn’t a rare round. PPU makes it, Grafs, and FNM.

      • Ben Warren

        Or you can take a backpacking trip to Syria. Fill your pockets with high-denomination American dollars and medication for trade, hire a decent guide, and go have fun.

        Be sure to fill out a life insurance policy and/or arrange for a HRT to extract you from the country before you leave.

        • MAUSERMAN

          Sad to see them in the hands of terrorists, and not
          on my wall

  • I just want my CETME-L from them that they said would be delivered 3 months ago.

    • MAUSERMAN

      Tell us more about the cetme-L

      • I can’t. They said they would ship in January and so far I have nothing, but they have my money.

        • MAUSERMAN

          I assume the cetme-L is related to spanish cetme 7.62 NATO, but in 556? Like the c93?

          • Yes, the 5.56mm CETME Model L replaced the 7.62mm CETME Model C in Spanish military service. The Model L was then replaced by the HK G36E.

        • Luke Albrecht

          When I talked last to Hill and Mac about this, Sarah gave me this reply:

          Good Morning Luke,

          In full disclosure we are still unfortunately waiting on the receiver flats to arrive from our supplier. As soon as we receive those we will be shipping out very shortly thereafter. We are also exploring the idea of designing and making our own receiver flats. This is not ideal for obvious monetary reasons but we do not want the incompetence of our supplier to affect our customers and the quality of our products. We truly appreciate your patience and we promise it will be worth the wait. We are going to be adding a few accessories and goodies to the orders for you guys for being so patient as well. We, of course, are extremely unhappy that this was the first impression for our customers but I know you will be pleased in the long run with our impeccable quality. We will keep you as updated as possible on the progress and as we know more we will be sure to relay the information. Again thank you so much and if there is anything more we can do please let us know.

          • They sent me that in February.

        • Harry

          At first I thought the 922r requirements were silly and bureaucratic, but I now see the value in having local factories able to manufacture and ship products. They depend on imported parts, right?

    • David

      Damn. I almost ordered one, kind of glad I didn’t now.

    • John

      Hey Alex C you made sure let them know when paid for your CETME-L you want before you where collecting social security. You still might get CETM-L before ever get social security. I am poke fun at Alex but it truly sucks pay for firearms wait more than two weeks for it,

      • BrandonAKsALot

        Still would be faster than waiting on a Prexis receiver for one.

        • Machinegunnertim

          Haha, been there, so true.

    • Luis Cabrera

      You could try to track down an SAR-4800 in 556….

  • MAUSERMAN

    Ha still cheaper than the iwi ACE!!! But much cooler!!!

    • Scott P

      Except the ACE is a proven design and actually works.

  • Martin M

    Why make a replica firearm if it isn’t even remotely a replica?

    • Well they cannot make it full auto so its not a replica. Its a reproduction visually. Best thing if you don’t have the cash like 30k for the full auto.

    • wetcorps

      Practicality, cost. No point in making a perfect replica if it costs thousands and nobody buys it. With the changes they made more people will be able to get one and actually shoot it.

    • drambus ambiguous

      That’s not the point of their rifle.

      A perfect replica would also mean carrying over some shoddy stop-gap aspects of the STG-44’s action. A good example is the bolt locking shoulder (it’s a tilting bolt). In the original STG-44, the bolt was head spaced and then the locking shoulder was set in place with molten lead. After it was set you couldn’t adjust it or replace it unless you were willing to mill out the lead, remove the locking shoulder, head space a new one, and secure it all over again.

      HMG’s rifle has an adjustable and replaceable locking shoulder from my understanding.

      Taking the spring out of the stock does two things. 1. It allows a pistol or folding stock if you want it in that configuration. 2. While not being totally authentic to the STG-44, it is authentic to the MKB-42, the STG-44’s open bolt predecessor.

      Trigger-wise, do you realy want an original trigger? The HK trigger pack coincidentally fit very well within the original STG-44 trigger area. HK trigger packs are good, relatively inexpensive, and easily replaceable. It’s a good compromise

      Basically the HMG rifle is an STG-44/MKB-42 hybrid using modern materials and production methods. The actual action and overall operation of the rifle is the same. So while not a perfect replica, would you want a perfect replica of the original M16 as an entry into the modern tactical rifle market… carry handle and all?

      To be honest, they’ve done a remarkable job keeping the operating mechanism of the STG-44 rifle and its overall ethos while at the same time making it something that is fully modern and modular.

    • Malthrak

      It’s close enough for most people. Given that we cant get full auto versions and the original used manufacturing techniques that simply cant (or shouldnt) be replicated for various reasons (cost, safety, wartime pressures, etc) this is about as good as it is going to get for those of us that dont have 25k to spend.

      Do you really want headspacing secured by a blob of unformed lead? Because thats what they did in the originals as a wartime expedient.

      • Suppressed
    • HKmaster

      If you want a perfect replica of the StG-44, PTR imported replicas that were made in Germany a few years back. They were more or less exactly the same, save for the exclusion of full auto capabilities. I think they sell for around 8 grand when they’re on gun broker, and they have reliability issues every now and then. As a collector, the PTR StG would be prefect, but for anyone who wants to shoot, the HMG is the way to go.

      • Gregory Markle

        I spoke with them at length at SHOT Show and I think they made some really smart compromises in the design. The original was NOT the product of the best methods and designs they had available at the time, it was the result of wartime compromises. They didn’t headspace and secure the barrels with blobs of lead because it was the best method they could think of, they simply did not expect to EVER have to rebarrel any of them since they would likely be lost in fighting and never would see enough rounds to make rebarreling necessary. The magazines were a nightmare and not all that reliable and the trigger mechanism was far more complex than it needed to be. They will be making magazines that look much like the originals in the various calibers so that those who want to extend the aesthetic may do so, but using a STANAG magwell which takes advantage of a wealth of cheap magazines was an excellent choice. Making a repro trigger group likely would have added at least $300 to the price if not more, and you would have been getting a less reliable trigger.

        Here’s a gratuitous photo I took of Ian McCollum with the “tactical” version of the STG…

  • I see they took my advice and decided to blue the thing instead of parkerizing it.

    • MPWS

      I suppose for originality? Parkerize/ phosphate is more rust resistant.

      • Bluing looks much, much closer to the originals. The parkerizing they were using didn’t look historical at all (even though original StG-44s were parkerized).

    • David

      Says black oxide on the product page now instead of parkerizing.

      • That can be used as a synonym for bluing. That seems to be what they are doing.

        • Evil_Bonsai

          Too much Chimay. Totally read this as ‘symphony.’

  • Mmmtacos

    Hey HMG man you guys are super cool and nifty. So any word on that C96 reproduction you’re making next? We all love modern early 20th century German reproduction firearms after all.

    • MAUSERMAN

      They have to really modified it, by making it straight blowback. Otherwise you better off buying a shooter c96 gun from gunbroker, most likely cheaper too.

      • Southpaw89

        Honestly with the popularity of .22 lookalikes I’m surprised someone hasn’t come out with a .22 C-96 clone. I’d sure be interested in one.

  • Issac Staroselsky

    IMO:What the point,its not replica,nor original design.
    There is no reason to waste time & money on this gun,
    when Cetme,H&K,PTR available & there are plenty modern
    reliable semi-auto rifles for less $.

    • Malthrak

      It’s as close to an original as anyone is going to get, people arent buying it as a hard driving duty carry gun, it’s a hybrid replica of original operating mechanisms that people can own and use and get “close enough”.

      A truly faithful replica is impossible (no full auto), would be outrageously expensive, and have long term durability issues. This is about the best compromise and value most of us mere mortals will ever see.

      • randomswede

        I agree with you if you add in USA.
        The “SPORT SYSTEME DITTRICH BD-44” is an STG-44 in every way but date of manufacture and full-auto capability at a “street price” of just north of $3000 (USD). I don’t speak or read German (well) so this could be with or without taxes etc.

        I don’t completely understand the importation ban on sporting weapons, but as I understand it the BD-42 (and the other reproductions they manufacture) are stopped from import at the moment at least.

        Personally if I was spending money on one of the two I’d probably go with the HMG as I’m more of a shooter than a collector.

        • Malthrak

          Right, I wad referring to US firearms owners.

          US import laws are weird, basically foreign made rifles have to have a minimum number of US made parts to be legal for importatuon fepending on configuration, which would apply to any STG pattern rifle (though not say, a K98). The few Dietrich guns that made it into the US initially sold for $4-5 Thousand IIRC, and now go for more, and apparently have lots of weird reliability issues.

          I too would definitely go with the HMG either way, just because I wouldn’t feel as bad shooting it.

    • Nicholas C

      Because none of those guns are STG44. Right now the only one you can have is a very expensive transferable one or a .22LR replica. This one will be as close to the real thing as possible. It is like people who buy MP5 clones. It is not the same as a real HK MP5 but close enough.

    • De Facto

      Reasons I can think of. (1) It’s likely not as hard on brass as the CETME/PTR (2) it uses STANAG magazines and doesn’t use “rock’n’lock” AK Mags. (3) It makes something similar to the STG43 available to those who have always wanted one (4) It’s cool. In a world full of AR’s and AK’s it’s nice to have something a bit different.

    • Harrison Jones

      They’ve managed to make something very similar to the original and for a mass market price. The MSRP puts it in the price range of middle america.

      A true semi auto replica would cost a fortune like the PTR imported guns or the ones that have been made in Germany.

      I think this gun will be very popular with the gamer crowd so we will see more people getting into shooting sports. This is an all around win!

  • Bob

    That’s more expensive than I would have hoped for, but less than I would expect. I need a better paying job if I want to get one though…

  • Lance

    A bit expensive for a weapon that was stamped and meant to be cheap for mass fielding.

    • plingr2

      But you must make at least 500 000 rifles

      • Frank

        Yeah, Stamped guns aren’t cheap in low volume like this.

    • Malthrak

      Stamping is cheap when you’re making 400,000 rifles. Stamping is not cheap for a few hundred. Tooling is expensive.

      Especially when the gun is not being with desperation grade materials and using expedients like securing headspacing with molten lead.

  • Samantha J

    My *only* hesitation with this cool rifle is that they cleaned up the look of the trigger housing. One of the things about the StG44 that makes it look cool (to me) is all of the bumps and such – compared to it’s HK93 cousin for example. That’s what gives it StG44-ness. Yes, I know that is just a cosmetic feature – but that’s the whole point of this gun in the first place.

    • randomswede

      I would argue that if the cosmetics was the whole point a non firing replica would be the first choice, and there are some of those around, not sure if there are any in production.
      To my understanding the goal with the HMG STG-N was primarily to replicate the ergonomy and ballistics of the MK-42/STG-44 with as-close-as-possible esthetics at a reasonable price.

      • Samantha J

        I don’t think cosmetics are the whole point. But I think they are a large part of it, and “close as possible esthetics”, I think, include the iconic ridges and bumps on the trigger housing as much as the stacking lug on the front of the gas tube. That, also, is wholly unnecessary for the function of the gun.

        • randomswede

          My guess would be that the use of the HK trigger pack precludes the ridges in that area or I suspect they would be there.

    • Doom

      I agree, The lack of all those ridges is a real buzz kill. Still pretty cool looking though. I am also sad about that little babby spring instead of the 3 foot long one in the originals.

      • Samantha J

        That (the spring) was an interesting decision. Aside from simplifying the design of the bolt carrier / operating rod, it also lets them build models with folding stocks, no stock (a “pistol”), etc. SSD (German makers of the closest MP44 clone out there) have at least prototyped something similar, with an under-folding MP40 stock on it. Obviously they had to do something similar with the long spring to do that.

        The original didn’t have the bolt hold-open notch either (though the MKn42(H) did, I believe, so we can see where HMG have borrowed liberally from both designs.

  • UCSPanther

    Even if this is isn’t a 100% faithful replica to the original sturmgewehr, it is still nice to see another black rifle on the market.

  • gunsandrockets

    I have to admit, that is one nice looking firearm in .223. Pricey but pretty.

    I assume the weight is nearly the same as the original? Must make for virtually recoilless fire in .223 caliber.

    • Doom

      slightly heavier. shooting it in 7.62×39 should fairly closely replicate the originals recoil.

  • That guy

    I hate to be that guy but I’ll believe it when these hit shelves. They sound almost too good to be true and it sounds like they are already falling for scope creep here with the various calibers, various lengths, and now stainless versus regular versions. This is to my knowledge a very small company. Additionally I wasn’t aware of the Cetme-L delivery issue but I am not surprised that those haven’t gone out yet (they did look cool).

    Vltor has worked on for years an updated reproduction Bren Ten and they gave yet to succeed, and Vltor is much more established, so I have my doubts about this but obviously I hope it works out because on paper and in videos these look great.

  • Erich Von Topp

    Why not just get a real one?

    • Harrison Jones

      Those must have been the days. Seems crazy that the tax stamp is almost 4X the guns. Thanks for sharing!

      • Klaus Von Schmitto

        That came from Guns – Nov 1963. Another issue had antitank guns for 300 dollars. Ammo for them was pretty steep at 3 bucks a pop.

        • Harrison Jones

          With inflation that just under $24 a round. The STG44 comes in a $465, Grease gun at $390. Crazy to think what my grandfather should have bought. He also could have bought lake lots of $500 that now go for 800K. But they wouldn’t have been as much fun!

  • Cal.Bar

    More still pics. Has ANYONE EVER seen this thing actually shoot? (and got tape of it doing so?) They claim to be less than 3 months from “actual delivery” of guns, and I have not seen an actual working prototype.

  • jcitizen

    Shoot I’m interested in the rifle just because of the ability to exchange calibers! Yes you can do that with any good AR variant, but generally you end up with a major magwell change, or bolt, and you still have to change barrels. If you can do that on this without having to shift an entire upper, which is one of the only practical ways of doing an AR-15, then that is a plus. Yes there are quick change barrel AR-t5 variants out there, but how many of them can do everything here at once, with as few parts? Besides, I’ve always wanted an StG44 just for the fact that it represented the first truly practical “assault” rifle design, and the combination of a fairly practical intermediate round as a combination. The only negative is the weight – but it would sure make a good wall hanger and conversation piece after having fun at the range!

  • ciscokid3750

    I think most people would want an exact mechanical reproduction and chambered for the original WWII caliber.

  • randomswede

    That leaves us with four options as I see it: it’s a cost issue, there’s a non obvious mechanical issue (at difference to the HK44*), someone at HMG didn’t/doesn’t like them or they completely missed them in trying to replicate the esthetics.
    I lean towards the first two as I think they, as you, would prefer a visual replication as close as they can get it.

    *By HKs old numbering system, the HK44 would have been a 9mm rifle for the german civilian market.