Ideal Conceal .380 cell phone shaped handgun

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Striking the waves of social media this month, a company by the name of Ideal Conceal, has released on its social media platforms a concept for a .380 caliber, double barrel, foldable, cellphone shaped handgun. Essentially this is a derringer in the shape of a smart phone. The design folds down, much like this concealable box like submachine gun that never really took off. The grip concealed the trigger and trigger guard, which is sort of neat because this allows it to act as a sort of trigger safety, completely blocking access to the trigger. But this doesn’t mean the production product could have a mechanical problem that could set off the rounds in the chamber. Remember earlier when I said “concept”? it doesn’t seem like the company has actually produced anything yet, as all the pictures of it appear to be from a CAD program, and put on their website.

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  • Lightweight One-Piece Frame
  • Simple Design and Trouble-Free Operation
  • High Velocity, Increased accuracy
  • Hammerless construction for maximum safety.
  • List Price $395.00

The ground breaking Ideal Conceal is a carefully engineered double barreled .380 caliber people can safely carry in their purse or clipped to their side.  Ingeniously designed to resemble a smartphone, yet with one click of the safety it opens and is ready to fire.

The product was designed with safety as a priority. A brand everyone can trust, a piece they can rely on, over and over.

The design is certainly novel, and is thinking about a better way for concealed carry. However it has very severe limitations, and unlike a handgun, I can only feasibly see this being used in a very narrow range of circumstances. But, if those narrow circumstances require something like this, then the concept will have succeeded. Of course, this is dependent on the concept getting off the ground and into initial testing and production.

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Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

If you want to reach out, let me know about an error I’ve made, something I can add to the post, or just talk guns and how much Grunts love naps, hit me up at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Camilo Emiliano Rosas Echeverr

    Excellent, so police will start shooting everyone who reaches for their phone.

    • joshv06

      So I guess things will stay the same..

      • TVOrZ6dw

        Yup, kinda already happening.

    • moovova

      Well…it WOULD give the dog time to get away.

    • Mike Lashewitz

      In some places just reaching for your wounds will get you killed… Like in Oregon….

  • GD Ajax

    I except to see this in the next James Bond movie.

  • Zachary marrs

    “High velocity .380 caliber for great stopping power.”

    you cant see it, but i am rolling on the floor, laughing

    • SlippedThroughTheCracks

      Maybe it’s really 9mm, and that would kind of make it a high-velocity .380 caliber for great stopping power.

    • gunsandrockets

      Yes, that was inelegantly phrased. But if you look at the website itself it becomes clear that the ‘high velocity’ is not a reference to the .380 caliber, but a claim about the benefits of the unusual configuration of their pistol.

      “High Velocity, Increased accuracy”

      A fixed non-ported barrel with a length almost as long as the pistol will have higher velocity compared to a revolver or semi-auto pistol of the same length when firing the same ammunition, whether that ammunition is .380 ACP or some other caliber.

    • Just1Saddletramp

      Anyone who gets hit in the right spot with a .380 will be on the floor but they won’t be rolling and laughing

      • Zachary marrs

        It’s a well known fact that .380 acp is well loved for not only it’s blazing fast velocity, but also its amazing terminal performance.

        FACT, we didn’t actually use nuclear bombs in ww2, we just dropped 3 rounds of .380 acp JHP from a B-29

        • Just1Saddletramp

          I was just making a honest observation. I would prefer this original pistol idea to be in my favorite, the .45 ACP. Few people laugh at it.

          • Zachary marrs

            Saying that “anyone who gets hit in the right spot” is pointless, it’s the same as saying “well i wouldn’t want to get shot with that”

            It’s a logical fallacy

            I wouldn’t want to get kicked in the shins, and if i did get kicked, I’d probably fall over, but that doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to defend myself by kicking people in the shins.

          • Just1Saddletramp

            I will end the conversation with the fact I never said that a .380 was the ultimate defensive weapon. Try telling the LEOs who carry a .380 as a a backup weapon that it is worthless for that purpose

          • Zachary marrs

            But you did say “Anyone who gets hit in the right spot with a .380 will be on the floor but they won’t be rolling and laughing”

            Also note that i did not claim you said that.

            Whatever you think, a logical fallacy is not a sound basis to determine the lethality of a cartridge

            “Try telling the LEOs who carry a .380 as a a backup weapon that it is worthless for that purpose”

            Is that supposed to be an appeal to authority? Just because someone is a cop doesn’t mean they know a thing about ballistics

          • valorius

            I am sure that even a tough guy like you acknowledges that a double tap to the chest with .380 flat nose ammo is very likely to totally shut your mouth quickly and permanently.

          • Just1Saddletramp

            Interesting reference to ballistics. Often ballistics tables and tests lead a person to the wrong conclusion. The muzzle energy of the more potent .300 magnums rivals or exceeds that of the .458 Winchester and the trajectory is much better. However, only a fool would pick a .300 over the .458 against a dangerous bear. Many Alaskan guides would favor a .45-70 or 12 gauge over the .300. Ballistics is not a panacea

          • valorius

            A .380 is quite capable of completely ruining your day. Stop, end of story.

          • Zachary marrs

            I never said it wasn’t capable of doing that, but justifying that statement by saying “oh it can still kill you” is just stupid.

            Again, you could kick me in the shins to get me to keel over, but that doesn’t make it a good choice for self defense.

            Do you carry a .22 short handgun? Why not? A double tap in the gut would ruin your day too

          • valorius

            There are situations where carrying a .22 as a viable option. Just as there are situations where a 12 gauge is a viable option.

          • valorius

            If youre suggesting a pistol barrel length .22 WMR over a .380 for personal defense, you should never post gun advice ever again.

          • Just1Saddletramp

            Even in a 3″ barrel the velocity of the .22 WMR greatly exceeds the velocity of the .380 and creates a far worse wound channel

          • valorius

            You are quite wrong.

      • valorius

        Exactly what i was thinking.

    • tej709

      Go back and watch the Godfather and the advice he gets from tessio about what you want in your hand coming out of the rest room. Anything is better than what he offered unless you want to make them die laughing.

      • Zachary marrs

        There are lots of good sources for ballistics information.

        Movies aren’t one of them

    • Combat Survivor

      I bet it would stop you LMFAO now who is laughing

      • Zachary marrs

        and that means absolutely nothing.

        a kick to the shins would stop me laughing, so i guess that means its a good idea to rely on that for self defense?

        • jaxcane

          I WILL PUT MONEY ON IT.
          EVEN 3 .22 ROUNDS WILL TAKE YOU OUT.
          MAYBE NOT IF SOMEONE YOU IS DOING THE SHOOTING.
          IF IT WAS ME. YOU WOULD NOT RECOVER.
          I PROMISE.

          • Zachary marrs

            So if 3 rounds of .22 will get me to shut up, is that what you carry in self defense?

            Stop with the threats, you have little to no understanding of ballistics, and saying you want to shoot me to prove a point isn’t getting you anywhere.

            You didn’t even understand my first comment, so like i said, lay off the crack.

            And turn off caps lock, what, are you 12?

          • jaxcane

            YES YOU ARE AS I SUSPECTED AN IDIOT. OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT GROUPING AND CAN ONLY SPELL BALLISTICS. AND WHERE DID I THREATEN TO SHOOT YOU? LIKE I PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT. A IDIOT YOU ARE. NO I DO NOT CARRY A .22. ANYWAYS YOU BORE ME WITH YOUR IGNORANCE. TURN THE LIGHT ON IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT AND STOP WATCHING YOUTUBE.

          • Zachary marrs

            Geez you really are piling on the retardation

            “Where did i threaten to shoot you”

            Multiple comments, which have been edited by the moderators, because you are threatening people

            “A idiot you are” ok yoda.

            “No i do not cary a .22” why not? After all, all thats required of a self defense firearm is getting me to shut up apparently, which a .22 is more than capable of.

            “You bore me” if you get bored, try and find the caps lock key.

            “Turn the light on in your moms basement”

            Assuming that this isn’t some sort of euphemism, i can tell you with 100% confidence that my mother never had a basement.

            “Stop watching youtube” and this has what to do with our conversation?

            Perhaps you should go away, and do some research on terminal ballistics.

    • jaxcane

      SERIOUSLY DOUBT IF YOU GOT HIT WITH A .380 ROUND YOU WOULD BE LAUGHING. ON THE FLOOR YES. LAUGHING? NOT.

      • Zachary marrs

        holy crap, can you not read? just because it can stop someone from laughing, doesn’t mean sh-t

        • jaxcane

          HOLY CRAP, YOU ARE ABOUT AS IGNORANT AS ONE CAN BE.
          OF COURSE IT WILL STOP YOU FROM LAUGHING. YOU SEE SOMEONE LIKE ME WILL PUT 3 IN YOUR CHEST. YOU WILL NOT ONLY NOT LAUGH, YOU WILL NOT SMILE, YOU WILL NOT GET UP, YOU WILL NOT TAKE ANOTHER BREATH. YOUR LAST THOUGHT WILL BE “DOESN’T MEAN SH-T”

          • Zachary marrs

            Lay off the crack.

          • jaxcane

            THIS IS NOT YOUR DAD.

          • Zachary marrs

            It’s past your bedtime kid.

          • Watch the threatening tone. Things like this can be considered threats and can come back to haunt you. We want readers to be civil to one another even when they feel strongly about the point of disagreement.

          • jaxcane

            THREATENING TONE? I WAS BEING CIVIL. I WAS MAKING A VALID POINT. NO WHERE DID I EVER THREATEN ANYONE. EVER. SHOW ME WITH WHO I THREATENED AND WHAT I SAID THAT WAS THREATENING? LIKE I SAID I WAS MAKING A POINT. I DIDN’T SAY I WAS EVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO ANYONE. SO WHAT ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT. I HAD NO IDEA THIS WSS A POLITICALLY CORRECT SITE. I WILL NOT BE BACK.

          • Zachary marrs

            You said something to the effect of “i will put three rounds in your gut”

            That is NOT civil

          • jaxcane

            NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT PUTTING 3 ROUNDS IN YOUR GUT. I SAID 3 .22 ROUNDS IN YOUR CHEST WOULD KEEP YOU FROM LAUGHING SMILING GETTING UP OR BREATHING. I ALREADY KNOW YOUR A FOOL. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. YOU HAVE IDIOT RUNNING THROUGH YOUR VEINS. I NEVER THREATENED YOUR DELUSIONAL SELF. I DONT MAKE THREATS. ONLINE THREATS. LMFAO.

          • Zachary marrs

            *you’re.

            You’ve made multiple threatening statements

            Here is what you actually said

            “EVEN 3 .22 ROUNDS WILL TAKE YOU OUT.
            MAYBE NOT IF SOMEONE YOU IS DOING THE SHOOTING.
            IF IT WAS ME. YOU WOULD NOT RECOVER.
            I PROMISE.”

            You said that in response to what was a lighthearted comment.

            Even stevie wonder can see that is a threat.

            Your comments have been far from civil, from threatening me, to insulting my family.

            All because i made a joke about .380 acp

            Go f_ck yourself

          • jaxcane

            YOU FEEL THREATENED BY THE WORD “IF”? YOU ARE AS MUCH OF A PU55Y AS YOU ARE A IDIOT. LMAO

          • Zachary marrs

            “You feel threatened”

            No, but that is a threat. Now go away, its past your bedtime kiddo

          • jaxcane

            YOU ARE A R3T@RD. GET A LIFE.
            OH NO! DID I JUST THREATEN ANYONE OU WITH GETTING A LIFE? YOU F’KING R3T@RD.

  • WireguidedMarine

    I see some problems with this:

    1. When you need this to defend yourself it will require folding open the grip as a separate act, in addition to disengaging whatever safety is built in.

    2. Legally you’re open carrying with this clipped to your belt. Blue states will come down on you hard if you argue that this is concealed carry.

    3. In a decade when iPhones have different dimensions/shapes this will stick out even more for what it is.

  • cons2p8ted

    Gives new meaning to “dialing 911”!

    • Jwedel1231

      That joke is the best part of this gun

    • Rock or Something

      At least you won’t accidentally “butt dial” it. I was talking to a local 911 dispatcher/operator a couple of days ago and she said that there was one day they received over 70 “butt dial” calls from one teenage girl. They ended up contacting the school RSO to find her so she would stop doing it.

      • Tassiebush

        Part of me really wants to think that you had that conversation after butt dialing them. 😉

      • Ripley

        Why didn’t they act sooner than 70 calls? Because they were butt video calls.

  • wartzilla

    I wonder if these morons even realize that they have designed an AOW. There is zero mention of it on their site.

    Whatever we think of the NFA, ignoring its existence is not a good recipe towards staying out of jail.

    • Kovacs Jeno

      if it can’t be fired unfolded, only folded with a grip on it – it is a normal pistol, not an AOW.

      • sgt fish

        exactly. just like the old penguin pen guns. its not an AOW at all bt ATF definition. Just like how the keltec sub2k isnt an AOW.

    • JK

      Easy….

  • Shane

    I would need to see some videos of it in action but I doubt it’s faster than a traditional gun and holster combo.

    • Mike Lashewitz

      It isn’t.

  • Cymond

    “A brand everyone can trust, a piece they can rely on, over and over.”
    The marketing hyperbole is strong with this one!

    “High Velocity, Increased accuracy”
    Huh? It’s a 380. Are they claiming their pistol design makes the cartridge better?
    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/580/Wat.jpg?1315930588

    • USMC03Vet

      Half Life 3 confirmed!

      • Don’t play with my feelings like that. HL series and AoE2 are the only pc games I play.

  • RISKY

    Someone correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t a firearm disguised as something other than a firearm (i.e. pen guns, zip guns) fall under the NFA as an AOW? Wouldn’t this cell phone gun fall unDer the same regulation?

    • Kelly Jackson

      No, because it cannot fire while it looks like a phone.

      • Ken

        Just like the pen gun that can’t fire until it’s bent at the center and the trigger pops out. The ATF ruled that it’s not an AOW because of that definition.

        • Sulaco

          Bingo

  • DaveP.

    Alternatively, I could have a Kel-Tec .32 in a pocket holster. .32 may be a step down from .380, but 8 beats 2 any day of the week.

    • Southpaw89

      Even a P3-AT is pretty compact, not much thicker than a smart phone in a protective case.

    • Bart

      That’s kind of what I thought about my Kel-Tec P3AT. It is probably smaller and lighter, just as thin, gives me 7 rounds of .380 instead of two, and it is ready to go in an instant (handle doesn’t have to be folded out). It still basically looks like a phone or a wallet when carried in a pocket holster. Ruger LCP, Taurus TCP, and S&W Bodyguard .380 are pretty much the same.
      Still, all said, I generally prefer a J-Frame Airweight Smith Revolver (mine is a 642) for pocket carry.

    • John1943

      .327 Federal Magnum. Same caliber as a .32, just slightly longer, and ballistics up with a .38spl +P (some say .357 Magnum.) Do not think anyone has done a semi yet with this caliber, but you can get six rounds in an SP101 wheel gun.

  • Cal S.

    I might pick it up, in a year, when it’s $50 on Slickguns…

  • SirOliverHumperdink

    Tracfone should do this.I’m sick of carrying a phone AND a gun. Bundle those suckers!

  • mechamaster

    Make it in 7.62×42 mm SP-4 caliber. And featured it in Mission Impossible / James Bond movie. ( nah, just kidding. ^^ )

    • Lew Siffer

      Twenty years late. Jon Voight had it in the first Mission Impossible movie, but it was in pieces inside a portable radio to get through the metal detector.

  • Liberty Valance

    “Can you hear me now?”

  • Harrison Jones

    If it were quality I’d pick one up for a backup to me backup or to have went it was the only way I could carry.

    • JK

      Yeah, if they do become available for that price I might have to snag one. It’d be a nice addition to the curiousities collection, if nothing else.

      • Harrison Jones

        Agreed! Defiantly not an EDC or super practical gun.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Im working on an SBR disguised as one of these…

    • Sianmink

      That won’t be conspicuous at ALL.
      In 1990.

    • Bigbigpoopi

      That’d make a nice single shot 12 gauge.

      • gunsandrockets

        Ouch! On both ends.

    • Blake
    • Tassiebush

      i can see that opening up to be a .22mag volley gun

      • iksnilol

        I was thinking a semi auto 9mm using the antenna as a barrel, fed with P90 style mags hidden inside the phone shell.

        • Tassiebush

          That would be cool and quite novel but how about doing my idea but using metal storm style system. That could be a phenomenal capacity for its size. I think someone else suggested metal storm but I don’t have much of an internet connection so couldn’t check atm. The undersea cable to our island is damaged. Somewhat worryingly there’s no promise of fixing it till May and it also connects our state to the national power grid. Our state owned power company nearly emptied our hydro dams too selling our green energy so we will soon be running on rented diesel generators.

      • jhorenka

        .22 magnum would be better. I’m thinking this .380 version would look like a big fat cell phone…

        • gunsandrockets

          Yes and no? If the pistol is as small and light as I suspect than .380 is going to sting like crazy. On the other hand the (ugh!) DAO trigger would be even worse with a rimfire cartridge compared to using a centerfire cartridge.

          Perhaps the .32 NAA cartridge is ideal for this application?

  • Southpaw89

    I’d rather see a handgun that can fold into its grip like a jackknife, would be a little thicker since the barrels would have to fit inside the grip, and would require some kind of folding trigger assembly, but considering how quick and easy it is to open a folding knife one handed it may be better in a defensive situation. Opening this phone gun up looks like it would have to be done two handed. Also I think I saw recently that they were attempting to add “must not have a folding grip” to the definition of a handgun, don’t know if that ever went through though.

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      • Southpaw89

        Admittedly it was the North American Arms model that inspired the idea, but I was thinking of a derringer in something like the .327 for a little more punch. Very similar to what they’re attempting here, but not trying to be a phone. I like that little Belgian one though, didn’t know anyone other than NAA had tried it.

        • MR

          A lot of places don’t allow “large” knives, over 3″, either. If you’re going for a concealed carry aspect.

        • Tassiebush

          that’d be a great round for the job

        • 2ThinkN_Do2

          BOND ARMS – Derringer in most any handgun caliber and 410 and yes, they have .327.

  • Darryl

    A little grip tape and some Lehigh Defense Xtreme Penetrator ammo, I could see this being interesting.

  • USMC03Vet

    l just don’t see a legit market for something like this unless it’s marketed for spies.

    • Edeco

      The most noble and important purpose any gun can possibly aspire to serve: amusing me.

    • MR

      Concealed carry? Avoiding having the distinctive outline of a gun, printing through your pocket?

      • USMC03Vet

        You can get a real gun with more capabilities to fulfill the role already. Making guns that appear to not be guns is home territory of criminals and people that shouldn’t have them. Even the uses given were from a concealed state which negates the entire design purpose.

        • MR

          “If you have something that can be hidden, you must have something to hide.”

          • Mike Lashewitz

            Nice Obama work in there. I hate Obama . . .

        • MR

          “Home territory of criminals and people who shouldn’t have them.”…and people who don’t want to advertise that they have a gun? Kind of the entire point of concealed carry, to avoid attracting attention, from criminals or anti-gun types. This design would be ideal to prevent PRINTING THROUGH CLOTHING like you can get with a standard pistol design/grip angle.

          • Mike Lashewitz

            You know that roll of fat makes a good roof over a concealed carry. No imprinting just fat printing… Ouch!

          • USMC03Vet

            With all the variety of legit firearms available if you can’t conceal carry without something as dumb as this you’re doing it wrong.

        • Edeco

          O.o

          How judgemental

          • USMC03Vet

            Calling a spade a spade until the end of time.

  • StraightshooterJeff

    Are ‘selfie’ deaths about to sky rocket?

    • Mikial

      That made me laugh out loud!

  • Ryobiwankenobi

    This seems to only be useful if it’s the only way you could discreetly carry. The North American arms mini-revolvers would be a better way to go as cocking a single-action should be a smoother operation than unfolding a grip. If only Metal Storm technology could be made to work in this you could have a lot more capacity.

    • gunsandrockets

      Speaking of NAA, don’t they already make a folding grip for their mini-revolver which covers the trigger in the folded position? I always thought that folding grip concept was an excellent idea for a pocket gun. Now if only NAA would scale up their mini revolver to .32 ACP!

    • jhorenka

      Some people might want to get past metal detectors like at a ball park. Or to clip it on your belt and OC. Late evening walking back to my car from a game in the city I might want one of these. It’s better than nothing…

  • Hinermad

    I swear, give some people a 3D modeling program and they think they’re Eugene Stoner.

  • gunsandrockets

    Scoff all you want, but the basic arrangement of the various pistol elements looks like good engineering to me. I particularly like the folding grip and and integrated laser sighting. Not a fan though of DAO.

  • Tom Currie

    Except that the last “cellphone” that size was made about 20 years ago!

    I suppose you could make someone think it was a phablet case — if anyone ever carried and of the phablets that a handful of companies tried to sell

    • Well, just looking at the specs, a Ruger LCP is 5.16″ long x 3.6″ tall. The very popular Iphone 6S Plus is 6.23″x3.07″. So it’s fairly close dimensionally.

      Would this be my go to holster? Of course not. But if someone wanted something “cellphoney” for carry, this achieves it much better than a folding cellphone derringer.

      • Tom Currie

        I note that you carefully left out the thickness of both the pistol and the iPhone.
        Perhaps instead of “just looking at the specs” you ought to look at this nonsense holster that is supposed to look like some giant cell phone case. If you are trying to look like you are not carrying a gun, you’d be better off hiding this “cell phone case” inside a fanny pack worn at your right front.

  • guest

    almost as good as the old hi standard derringers in a wallet holster.

  • iksnilol

    Because that isn’t conspicious at all.

    • Obscurity through conspicuity.

      • iksnilol

        Yeah, but a visible trigger isn’t the right kind of conspicious for that.

  • Adam

    Seem a ideal platform for 327 mag

  • ft

    As a person who has my own guns for 52 years and a former LE Officer Firearms Instructor, you couldn’t give me one of these any more than I would own a “Smart Gun”.
    I have a small, compact size 9mm Ruger that carries 10 rounds total. EWhy on earth would I want such a gimmick gun? Not what I suggest for a self defense weapon.

    • iksnilol

      Obivously you don’t assassinate people on a semi-regular basis.

      *smh

    • valorius

      If a person would carry this but wouldnt carry a ‘regular gun’, then its a worthwhile design.

  • Old Vet

    My advice to naysayers about the .380 is that unless you have been shot with one or any caliber, shut the hell up. I have been shot twice with sub-caliber and large caliber and trust me, it doesn’t matter much; your mind is taken off what you were attempting to do rather quickly.

    • Mike Lashewitz

      Yeah I really did not care WHAT was being shot at me. Just that I was being shot at.

    • iksnilol

      *raises hand*

      What did it feel like to get shot? And where did you get hit?

    • Just1Saddletramp

      Very true. While the .380 is not a .357 magnum, many LEOs carry a .380 as the backup weapon of choice . That says something about the capability of the cartridge

  • avlisk

    Once again, I am reminded why I like living in Arizona. But, I do think it’s a pretty cool idea for those with unconstitutional gun “laws”.

  • J Garcia Sampedro

    The Pressin pistol “holster” looked like a sunglasses case.

    • Cottersay

      A cool lookin’ contraption. Neat.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    And there are even smaller firearms like the NAA products that can easily be carried in almost any pocket without printing; unless you are wearing a compression shirt. Of course you could wear the carry conceal compression shirt, which work just fine with firearms of this size.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    So you’re being held up and you say to the perp: Hey, let me call my banker and get you some more cash than I have with me, you pul out your phone gun and Boom. Yeah, nice dream . . . .

  • Zebra Dun

    It should look like a wallet fat with cash.

  • jhorenka

    Funny no one is ever interested in proving how ineffective a modern .380 bullet is by standing in front of one. This is a specialty gun that could be useful in some situations…

    • Mcameron

      i dont volunteer to be stung by a bees either…..but i wouldn’t rely on a bee sting to stop an attacker.

  • Wolfgang

    Except that will be considered an AOW because it is designed to not look like a gun.

    • MR

      Do you even read the comments, bro? Been covered before- it isn’t because you can’t shoot it until you unfold it, then it looks like a conventional gun.

      • So its worthless then. Also someone could modify it to fire in the phone config.

  • JDH

    So…they grab/steal your cell phone and your gun at the same time/ Brilliant!

  • Isaac FluffyWolf Rader

    Pass – I don’t think it gets good reception.

  • Torrorojo

    Great just what I need a over priced anemic derringer that I have to unfold when I am being attacked!

    • JK

      Grab some commas and an “n” while you’re at it.

  • gunsandrockets

    Since this pistol is probably still at the vaporware stage, I’m going to toss out an idea.

    Since the grip is already not a fixed part of the frame, if the grip had any kind of elastic give in line with the bore axis, that might help take the sting out of shooting .380 ACP from a light pistol. Perhaps some kind of rubber pivot or bushing where the grip connects to the frame that could help absorb recoil?

  • gunsandrockets

    I would say the greatest achilles heel of this pistol is the ergonomic factors affecting accuracy: the sting of .380 ACP recoil (ouch!) and the heavy DAO trigger pull. When a pistol only has two shots, every shot counts. If the practical accuracy is contact range why even bother with a laser sight which only adds cost and complexity?

    There are elements of this design which are working at cross purposes.

  • valorius

    Neat idea.

  • valorius

    today’s top end .380 is comparable to run of the mill 9mm para or .38 special.

    It is certainly not a weak caliber with modern ammunition.

    • Zachary marrs

      Just stop.

      • valorius

        I can, and i did. And it will.

        • Zachary marrs

          No, no, and no

          Just stop

          • valorius

            No can do jabu.

  • valorius

    .22 WMR from pistol length barrels does not expand, it just blasts a .11″ diameter hole through you. Even plain ole’ .380 flat nose ammo creates a hole many times larger in diameter, and with more energy for the purpose of breaking through heavy bone.

    They are not comparable.

    • Just1Saddletramp

      You are totally wrong on both counts. A .22 WMR is .221 in diameter. A HP will expand at least 25% going through a soft medium and 50% or more if it hits something solid. While on its’ way it will create a worse wound channel than the .380 due to the substantially higher velocity. While a .380 will penetrate light bone, its’ ability to drill through heavy bone is somewhat dubious. Neither cartridge is a “manstopper” unless a vital organ is hit.

      • valorius

        unexpanding round nose/non flat nose ammo typically leaves a wound diameter 1/2 that of the diameter of the bullet, but im sure a genius like you knew that.

        .22 WMR hollowpoints do not expand at pistol velocities.

        .380 “+P” buffalo bore or underwood ammo absolutely will defeat heavy human muscle and skeletal structure, there are videos on you tube displaying such performance.

        • Just1Saddletramp

          A RN creates a wound the diameter of the bullet but the tissue closes to give the appearance of 1/2. FYI, a .22 LR hollow point will expand at pistol velocities. Robert Kennedy’s head had dozens of lead fragments in it.

          • valorius

            his head probably had lead fragments because the round fragmented when it hit his skull.

          • Just1Saddletramp

            Yes, but if the velocity is great enough for fragmentation, it is great enough for a properly designed HP to mushroom

          • valorius

            having watched hundreds and hundreds of gel test videos (ok, im a ballistics testing junkie) that is just not the case.

            Expanding in soft tissue is totally different than fragmentation due to impacting a hard object.

          • Just1Saddletramp

            Gel media is used primarily to determine the wound channel a projectile will create, not the expansion characteristics of the projectile. Some of the denser gel might but not likely. Sandbags are a better indicator. Do you dispute that a .22 WMR hollow point will mushroom after hitting a solid object when fired from a pistol?

          • valorius

            Sandbags are not a better indicator. I think we’re done here.

          • valorius

            If you do get any expansion from a .22 at pistol velocites, it’s all but guaranteed that your penetration is going to be insufficient. If you use a round that will penetrate deep enough, it’s all but guaranteed it won’t expand.

  • Croak

    This would be really cute if it used Metal Storm tech (I know, I know) giving it more than two shots.

  • LazyReader

    I’m gonna say “Honestly was this a good idea?” Now Cops (as if their jobs weren’t hard enough) have to be even more careful when someone whips out their phone.

  • What a dumb idea

    This is the stupidest idea I have seen to date! Now cops will be shooting people who have cell phones in their hands! Way to go, I hope people see the stupidity in this and the blow back this will create for law abiding gun owners who also carry cell phones!

  • sunshine

    I would think it would have a hell of a recoil?

  • John Howard

    My Colt 1911 sidearm that I carried in the RVN had, and has great stopping power. A 380, I don’t think so. At 25-30 ft a 380 round “may not” penetrate your target.

  • johninc

    listen to yourselves on these comments, you’re all idiots.
    this is nothing more than a glorified derringer.
    it’s not suppose to be anything more than that.
    waiting for a bonehead to compare it to skeet.