Exclusive: New firearms from Heckler & Koch – IWA 2016

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Good news if you live in Germany, and some other European countries. If you live in the US I suppose these will continue to be made in unobtanium, but you’re always welcome to comment below how much you would like them. As I approached the H&K stand at IWA the surprise grew bigger, is that really? Yes it is!

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An MP5K with foldable stock, called SP5k, being announced as “news”.  (k = kurz = short)

The SP5k is available with and without Picatinny rail, and with and without a foldable stock.

HK SP5k pistol version (no stock) costs €2000 or roughly 2200 USD, and with Picatinny rails around €200 or 200 USD higher. These prices include 19% VAT.

The SP5k with foldable stock is €2200 and with the Picatinny rail €2400. (2.600 USD).

All SP5k versions are in 9×19 mm and semi-auto only for civilian ownership.

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I’m not too impressed with the front hand grip, it felt loose. However it is something I could easily live with owning a legend like this.

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Foldable stock below. Don’t miss the video below.

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There was also a shorter version of the MR223 A3 in 11″, together with the 14.5″ and 16.5″ versions from before. The iron sights on this one looked really good, not sure if they are new or not.

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The MR223 A3 11″ RAL8000 is €2600.

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RAL8000 must be a code for 50 shades of light yellow brown anyways, from almost yellow to grey.

It must be a problem with different types of surfaces finishes and how they react to different metals?

The MR223 versions displayed below.

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Prefer 308s?  HK got you covered, and once again “shorter” is the new black.

MR308 A3 in 13″ and RAL8000 for €2900.

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MR308 A3 in 13″ and RAL8000

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More MR308s. Note the long handguard on the top version.

 

MR308s to the left and MR223s to the right

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Some more detailed pictures of the SP5k below.

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Picatinny version of the SP5k below.

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Pistol version with Picatinny below.

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I spot a potential to cut my fingers on the Picatinny when loading this pistol.

And without: SP5k in 9×19 mm.

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3 out of 4 versions. Missing is the SP5k with foldable stock without Picatinny.

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HK USC in .45 Auto and HK243s in .223 Rem. below.

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Video time – “SP5k von Heckler und Koch Vorstellung auf der IWA 2016“.

In German, but you’ll get the idea and see the foldable stock in action. Michael Schütz is a really good competitive shooter.

And here is Michael Schütz from HK shooting the new SP5k. Looks really nice and controllable.

Gun laws are gun laws. I understood that you can get the HK SD5k on a hunting license in Germany.

Is this the last HK can squeeze out of the MP5, or is there more to come?

I also spot that HK are going in another direction than the EU are planning in terms of gun ownership.

Don’t forget to tell us what you think below.

More on the subject of SP5k here: H&K Semi-Automatic HK SP5k (MP5K) and HK SC5SD (MP5SD)



Eric B

Ex-Arctic Ranger. Competitive practical shooter and hunter with an European focus. Always ready to increase my collection of modern semi-automatic firearms, optics and sound suppressors.


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  • Ranger Rick

    Bottom line H&K is not interested in selling US based civilian customers Clss III firearms.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      These would title2, but yes, overall HK is really only peripherally interested in making money. Must be why they are broke.

      • Sianmink

        It’s my experience that the European arms houses are far more interested in gov contracts and crony money than doing business properly.

  • Nicks87

    Why can’t H&K just build them here in the states and sell them domestically? They have a plant in Newington, New Hampshire, right? It just seems kind of dumb that they wont build a weapon as highly sought after like the MP5, in a country where they would sell like hot cakes.

    • wartzilla

      Investing in manufacturing for an extremely old stamped steel design to satisfy the demands of a small niche of retro gun enthusiasts does not strike me as a sound decision.

      On the other hand, the production line is already extant in Germany, no further investment required.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Should we pretend like the clone market hasn’t been kicking these out for years and years?

        The real issue is that HK is broke and stubborn. The latter being why the former is an issue.

        But… In fairness, it wouldn’t just be receivers they would need to make here. It’s harder now for Germans to export trigger parts, barrels, bolts, etc. it would be a fairly big project, but let’s not pretend that forging bolts and locking pieces, rolling flat receivers, and making small parts couldn’t have been done here for years – HK intentionally wanted to keep the MP5 out of dirty civilian hands. They SHOULD have done this back in 2008 when the clone market was really ramping up.

        It’s too late now. Too much competition. A lot of the clone makers are actually making better guns that typical HK off the line guns. If you’ve ever seen the weld quality on a real MP5 vs a BA or Dakota gun, well, it’s pretty obvious.

        • desertcelt

          Sloppy welds aside, my H and K 91 is the best tack driver I’ve ever owned and I have FN/FALs and an AR 10

          • JumpIf NotZero

            A tesiment to an excellent mid 1900s design… Although fanboys would tell you HK today “could” do it all again 😉

          • Nicks87

            As cool as the HK91 is, its still not as accurate as a high end .308 AR style rifle(KAC, LaRue, etc). Not worth the $2800.00 price tag anyway.

          • desertcelt

            That’s true, but its a beast for rugged and no gas adjustments. For an extended time in the bush and nasty conditions, its hard to beat. You can get a good PTR91 for way less than a Springfield M1A. According to James Yeager, AR10s aren’t the most reliable. I recently acquired a DPMS AR10, but haven’t fine tuned it yet.

          • Nicks87

            I’ve got a DPMS Recon gen II. It’s awesome, I’ve been able to squeeze some crazy tight groups out of it. I replaced the gas block with an adjustable one and put new furniture on it but other than that it’s pretty much stock. I challenge anyone to find a more accurate semi auto .308 rifle that has more parts compatibility and costs less than the DPMS rifles.

      • Bill

        If the MP5 Is an extremely old design that only satisfies the demands of a small niche of retro gun enthusiasts, so is the AR15.

        Since the advent of the M4 I have next to no need for a sub gun, but I can’t think of one that is a major improvement over the MP5. Even H&K failed to surpass it with the UMP.

        The US .civ sector has ALWAYS been a secondary market for H&K – they treat their .gov customers badly enough.

        • wartzilla

          The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the United States.

          I would not say the same for HK clones.

          • Bill

            Maybe the AR is; if so that’s a relatively new phenomenon, a further indicator that measures like re-enactment of the AWB are essentially doomed to fail. However, if we could look into every barn, closet and gun rack in the US I’d wager we’d find far more Winchester 94s and M70s, Remington Nylon 66s, 700s, and 870s and H&R single shot shotguns, let alone Ruger 10/22s. The AR is still somewhat of a niche gun, even while people try to push it into arenas it wasn’t designed for, like hunting quadrupeds.

            I could be wrong, but I believe the AR predates the MP5 by a least a decade. And no one is disingenuous enough to try to market the MP5 as a “Modern Sporting Pistol Caliber Carbine” for anything other than bipedal pest control. With the exception of the SL series, H&K hasn’t marketed much to the sporting community, and their .mil/LE line has always been hampered by exchange rates, and, well, H&K being H&K.

      • Nicks87

        Yeah I don’t buy that for a minute. Other companies have done the same thing and have been very successful. The most recent being Klashnikov. Plus, from what we’ve heard, HK isn’t doing well financially so why not start producing the guns people want in the country that buys the most guns? Ruger builds stuff that people want, why cant HK?

    • desertcelt

      H and K has never gotten over the Bush semi auto ban that killed sales of their flagship HK91, as well as HK93,94 and SL6 and SL7 rifles. They don’t trust American politicians and rightly so, Why build a huge plant with the current political climate and the ugly possibility of Hillary Clinton in the White House. Bush the elder was no friend of freedom.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        They already have a plant here.

        They have chosen to not sell products time and time again. They could have been selling MP5s for the past 12 years if they actually wanted to. Although now is the worst time to start.

        It is not even remotely the same HK it was in the 90s.

        • desertcelt

          True, I’m not going to try to understand their current management. Politics aside, I’m an unapologetic H and K fanboy, owning 5 of their products and would own more, but for the price. I have pleaded with them to start making the SL7 again, but no dice. Where is the current plant located?

  • Jack

    As Iconic as the MP5 is, it’s still an old design that requires slapped on additions in order to complete with features that are common on all of it’s current competitors. I’d get one just for the cool factor if it was competitively priced (assuming it’s ever offered in the US) but I have a feeling it’ll be way more than most of the other similar platforms.

  • Nicks87

    Anybody know what optic mount he’s using in the last video? Looks like an aimpoint mount with a built in sun shade.

  • I just don’t understand why they won’t sell us the things we want! 121s, MG4s, and GMGs would sell like crazy here! I know there’s some kind of ban or something, but they just need to build the grenade launchers and machineguns stateside so we can have them! Silly HK.

    • Porty1119

      Meh, neuter the GMG to semi-only and it’s just fine if built here. Still requires a stamp, but it’s a freakin’ grenade launcher. That’s to be expected.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Alex is being very sarcastic. Among all the reasons HK would never do this, the ATF does not allow imports of NFA items for civilians, ever.

      • iksnilol

        Build it in 37mm and it is no stamps.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Why is a TFB writer trolling another writer’s exclusive?

      You are likely aware that HK absolutely could have been making civilian MP5s here in the US for at least a decade. It’s hard now after Paris attacks a lot of Europe has cracked down on parts exporting, but would still be possible if they actually had the will to.

      Truth is, HK missed their own boat, there are too many clones and alternatives in the states. They don’t have the money to start now imo. And, last I saw, things were still questionable between HK GmbH and HK USA… All these are fairly recent developments.

      No other company gets fanboy defense like HK does.

    • desertcelt

      It has been the great sorrow of my life that I can’t have a King Tiger idling in the driveway along with some Nebelwerfers and a few v2s. Socialism sucks!

    • Michael R. Zupcak

      Alex, I won’t preach to the choir because I know about all the bans but can you believe these Europeans are basically getting a semi-auto 11″ HK416A5!? That’s amazing. Granted, they’ll pretty much all be running them with reduced-capacity magazines but still!

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    “If you live in the US I suppose these will continue to be made in unobtanium…”

    Whats with these guys? Are they still mad about the war?

    • wartzilla

      This is not HK’s fault, it is the fault of Congress and the federal government.

      If it wasn’t for the idiotic GCA of ’68 and its ‘sporting clause’, these firearms could be imported.

      • Lou

        Its not just the 1968 GCA sporting clause, its the 1989 “Assault Weapon” import ban that anti-gun George Bush the 1st signed into law – its still in effect.

  • Henrik Bergdahl

    No paddle release for the magazine makes me unhappy.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Yea, didn’t really notice until I watched the video where the German full sized adult from HK fumbled with trying to release the mag 😉

      If I shift my grip a little, I can hit the mag release with my trigger finger, but it’s still dumb compared to the paddle mag.

      There is a paddle mag alternative now from Brethren that apparently doesn’t need to modify the gun. Also adding a paddle mag really isn’t that bad. Just need to drill the shelf and add the pin, then weld it in.

  • Matthew

    I don’t get the mp5. I understand that any quality weapon costs good money but the whole line was made with stampings etc with an eye towards cheap and mass production. Is this hk doing hk things like we saw with the p30’s and how they are in the same area code as $1000 but after some financial struggles the vp9 and p30sk debut at $550?

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Oh, so you’ve never A/B compared an MP5 to other pistol caliber carbines then? If you ever get you, you’ll understand right away why the MP5 pulls in the money it does for clones. The prices for the old factory models are just stupid.

  • Aono

    What would prevent HK from selling the SP5k as a pistol in the States? German export laws? I don’t get it.

    • Tim U

      The Mp5 guns are specifically named in the 89 ban I believe. The solution would be to open production at their plant here, but that would be expensive.

      • Aono

        But these aren’t “MP5s,” they’re “SP5s.” How is this different from a Zenith MKE clone? Still not getting it.

  • Anomanom

    Give to me this HK243. Now.

  • Lance

    Too much of a H&K price.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    I like not a single article or impression has mentioned of the muzzle. Because it’s a pain to change the barrel on an MP5. Figure about $650-800round trip with a new barrel, labor, coating.

    Does this have the flat muzzle or is there a three-lug under there?

  • Marc

    “RAL8000 must be a code for 50 shades of light yellow brown anyways, from almost yellow to grey.”

    No. It’s only RAL8000 if it’s barely distinguishable or undistinguishable from a RAL8000 prototype card. Only one of the colors on that rifle is actually RAL8000.

  • More expensive, older and less features than the B&T APC9 (that comes with an Aimpoint!). And on top: The B&T is Swiss made. Don’t waste a second thinking about buying this one when there is B&T.

    • FarmerB

      I have the B&T (all friends have MP’s, but I’m a contrary bastard) – and it has a tri-lug. For me, not having a tri-lug is almost a deal breaker – I can find no info that it has one.

    • iksnilol

      The B&T is straight blowback.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        So what?

        • iksnilol

          I dunno, I get a cheap and primitive vibe from straight blowback.

          I don’t mind it, but keep it away from my Swiss and German precision stuff. Looks bad, y’know?

  • G0rdon_Fr33man

    Can Erik B PLEASE go and take an extra look if the MR223 and the MR308 has gotten adjustable gas blocks?

    Seems like the rails on both models has the settings engraved….

    • A Guest

      If they are based off of the A5 variants, as they seem to be, then they most definitely do.

    • Erik B

      It seems so, there is “something” similar but can’t tell from my Pictures, and there is a “N” and “S” inscription on the handguard.

  • Bob

    I’m sorry, I get SBRs, but some of these look like super snub nosed toys somebody stuck a stock to.

  • A Guest

    MR223A3, with all the latest features and still cheaper than the ones they sell here.

    SO HAWT

  • Joe Schmo

    I used to be obsessed with HK products, but now I just don’t care. They’re not worth as much as HK sells them for, and alternatives can be had in the U.S. by American companies that put out products that are just as good, if not better than HK’s offerings. Speaking for myself, the HK ship has sailed.

  • Budogunner

    Estimated US $2,400 for an SP5? We can’t buy them anyway, but that is overpriced by about $1k. WTF HK?

  • Mark

    Thanks for covering the story. I used to slobber for anything MP5 related now I see anything HK related and just shake my head. I got a P7 and have moved on emotionally on the MP5. If it ever was going to happen it would have.

  • Nicks87

    I don’t think so but I really cant tell from the vid.

  • Frank

    That’s european pricing with a 19% VAT. Without that they’d probably street for $1500, which is what Turkish MP5 clones think they can get out of the market now.

  • If HK USA would market an HK SC5SD (semi-only MP5SD), I’d sell my left one if necessary.

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      An SD is apparently in the works. Now that suppressors in Germany is legal.