Miroslav sent us this photo of the H&K SP5K on display in Germany at the IWA gun expo.


Read more about the H&K SP5K here.


  • SirOliverHumperdink

    I’m hopeful. H&K has to be the dumbest company for not selling the things we want.

    • ComradeCole

      oh they sell the things we want, just in Europe and Canada….

      • john huscio

        They don’t sell mp5s in Canada.

      • UCSPanther

        We can get the FAMAE SAF (The 9mm subgun version of the SIG 540), but older H&K designs (G3, HK33 and MP5) are verboten in Canada.

    • You know the “things we want” are banned by the ’89 import ban right? Not to mention the crazy laws the Germans have regarding the exportation of small arms.

      • SirOliverHumperdink

        MKE/ Zenit and POF have no problems getting clones in.

        • This may shock you, but MKE Silah Fabrikaski and Pakistaki Ordnance Factories are not in Germany.

          • SirOliverHumperdink

            I think your missing the point. If they can sell it in Canada, WHY NOT HERE?

          • The 1989 executive order.
            And no, these are not for sale in Canada.

        • Budogunner

          Love my MKE MP5 clone, for the record. Some people think it’s Turkish crap. Well, it’s above and beyond the American made crap in this market.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Don’t pretend that HK hasn’t had a stateside facility.

        If they had wanted to sell them, they could have for years.

        • German export law regarding selling weapons of war is very restrictive when it comes to transcontinental small arms deals or sales. The MP5 in any configuration has been considered a weapon of war, and it is my understanding that they have been working on the approval process in Germany for a very long time, but have not started the one on our end here in the United States, which as you know can take some time as well. Lastly, this is the company that got burned in the US twice in 5 years, I can understand why they would be hesitant to do business here unless it was government contract (like Newington making 416s).

          • JumpIf NotZero

            The weapon of war thing holds no water. Not when you look at the 416/MR series.

            As to getting burned… HK has been run by clowns since about 2004 or so. There was clearly a business case for civ MP5s, and while they had money and the promise of indefinite war, they ignored the US market. That was a pretty poor move IMO.

          • From TroubleShooterBerlin:

            “attachment, page 5 paragraph 3. (the first one):

            “The above-mentioned firearms are no weapons of war. This statement has been confirmed by the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy (BMWi) via e-mail from 28.03.2013.”

            Such BKA (Federal Police department comparable to ATF) assessments are required for selling guns on the civilian market that have military origins. All essential parts (at a handgun barrel, bolt, frame/receiver) have been modified to be not compatible with the weapon of war MP5 and it’s versions. Semi-auto only”

          • Aono

            So if that’s the case, has anyone asked HK if they’ve submitted this to ATF yet?

      • Marc

        The laws only get crazy when it’s about weapons of war. Sporting arms are no problem.

        • I can assure you that the German government considers MP5 derivatives weapons of war.

          • ostiariusalpha

            It was similar export restrictions in the Netherlands that strangled Artillerie Inrichtingen.

          • Marc

            I can assure you that you’re wrong. An MP5 derivative is considered a weapon of war if it’s fully automatic or “essential parts” (bolt and barrel) are from the same production line as full autos. If MP5 derivatives were per se weapons of war we couldn’t buy semi MP5 derivatives, which we can.

          • ostiariusalpha

            No, you cannot buy any Heckler & Koch MP5 derivatives from after 1989. Everything after that is a clone.

          • Marc

            A clone is a derivative. And I, in Germany, can buy various sorts of MP5 derivatives. What they all have in common is being pure civilian manufacturing, hence not weapons of war.

          • ostiariusalpha

            Sigh. Is a bafoon still a bafoon if he lives in Germany? Our survey says: yes.

            Marc, this entire discussion thread that you’ve been commenting in revolves around the question of what interferes in the purchase of semi-automatic MP5 submachine guns imported from Germany to the United States. Apparently, this super obvious fact has somehow escaped your noticed. Your domestic capacity to buy a German gun is almost utterly irrelevant to the legal matter of what is covered in either Germany or the United States regarding the export and import of firearms. But thanks for playing.

          • Marc

            German export laws are drastically different between weapons of war and sporting arms. The former requires a government approval for every single batch, the latter requires a license which HK obviously already has. If MP5 derivatives can be bought in Germany as sporting arms, they can also be exported as sporting arms. Thus exporting sporting MP5s is no more of a hassle than exporting e.g. USPs or PPQs, making the statement that German export laws are preventing the export of civilian MP5 derivatives to the US because MP5 derivatives are per se weapons of war false – plain and simple.

      • Tim U

        But if they moved some tooling to their US based plant (you know the one making things like those 416s also banned by default under the 89 import ban), they could make as many here as they wanted. That solves both the German laws and the 89 ban.

        Of course, they thought there’d be no market because they don’t understand their consumers. CZ, MKE, and POF are proving the market exists. Of course now it is too late for HK since the only ones who will buy are die hard HK purists.

        • Actually it does not. The way German export laws are set up means that they effectively own the patents and they are not exportable without a very lengthy approval process.

    • Madcap_Magician

      You don’t know what you want, HundK knows what you want.

      • SirOliverHumperdink

        Why doesn’t the 89 exec order keep out the clones?

        • ostiariusalpha

          It’s complicated. Mostly it has to do with the interplay of how German law restricts the exportation of certain “non-sporting” firearms mesh with the U.S. 1989 importation ban of “non-sporting” guns. Other countries don’t have the same export restrictions that Germany puts on their manufacturers, so they have a lot less difficulty working through the loopholes in the 1989 ban. It’s just one of the reasons that Walther doesn’t make most of their guns inside Germany.

  • John

    It took them long enough. Too long. CZ is already eating market share with the EVO 3, at easily half the price or more.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Late to the party doesn’t even begin to cut it!

      • DW

        Started the party and left it too soon?

        • JumpIf NotZero


  • Kyle

    Ha, I bet these will be outrageously expensive if they decide to sell them stateside.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      They’ll almost certainly blow past the cost of say a Brethren Armament while having at best equal QA, and definitely fewer options.

      It’s a weird time to market them… But they could entirely annihilate the clone market with a $1500 part

    • DB

      No Doubt, but all I can say is “DROOOOL!!!”

  • Jim

    I’ll buy one!

  • Xeno Da Morph

    How is this different than the SP89 ?

  • Glock Guy

    I’m ALL in! Where do I purchase?

  • Grey Beard

    Without a doubt this is the very best sub gun I have ever fired and the fun switch had no bearing on controllability. Hurry up and ship them over so i can relive my misspent youth!

  • Budogunner

    I wonder about importability. Do they have the evil front pin, etc? What we NEED is a US domestic HK factory making nothing but MP5s and P7M8s.

    • ostiariusalpha

      I second this, whole-heartedly.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      It’s clearly not a two pin trigger pack.

    • randomswede

      …and P7M13s, P7M13SDs.

  • toms

    Pretty sure his would be kosher to import if Germany is classifying it as a pistol. The 89 ban does not apply to pistols.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    That optic mount is going to be a knuckle buster of a K sized cooking tube.

    Been there and done that with the K/PDW/RS… Much more interested in a fullsize/94

  • Kelly Jackson

    As much as I’d like to own this gun I don’t see it being profitable. The price tag would likely be $1500+ and CZ is selling EVOs for half that.

  • HKmaster

    It costs 2,200 euros for the railed SP5k variant. when converted to USD, the price is around 2,400 dollars. How can they ever justify the cost when the clones cost over $1,000 less???

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Be… Cause… HK.

  • Iggy

    Apparently I’ve been using mine wrong all these years!
    I’ve finally solved that stinging pain in my shoulder every time I fire it.

    • Joseph Smith

      It’s more for the folks at HK. Would help if they marked their mags as well.