European Pistol Stage Shenanigans

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Remy Deville, a French competitive shooter, posted these videos from some matches. I assume they were in France.

First up is a stationary bike. The shooter’s pistol is unloaded and sitting in the little box. The box is tied to the back wheel. The shooter must pedal to bring the small box up the ramp so he can retrieve it, load it, and shoot the stage.

 

Next up is a little roller coaster cart rolling backwards and the shooter shoots the targets as they are made available.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • yewzernayme

    Training how to return fire during a retreat? lol

    • Iggy

      This meme again…

      • yewzernayme

        cutting edge internet humor there, matlock.

        • Swarf

          Will you two get a room?

          And kill yourselves in it.

    • M.M.D.C.

      Yeah, that was a bit unwarranted.

      • DIR911911 .

        but still the whole thing is funny especially the meme , having gun enthusiasts that are internet savvy makes for free entertainment 🙂

    • Bill

      Actually, I can think of numerous scenarios where shooting while disengaging would be appropriate, such as downed officer/citizen rescues, extracting from an ambush, etc. It was part of our basic training courses for both handgun and long-gun, until they were shortened and dumbed down. My preference though was always to work angles, so instead of moving directly backwards, just presenting an increasingly smaller target to the adversary, angular movement presented both decreasing size and lateral movement, preferably to cover.

  • M.M.D.C.

    The little car in the video has “Roissy Cup” scrawled on its side in magic marker. Roissy, where the pistol matches apparently are held, is a suburb of Paris. Perhaps a European reader knows more.

    • WeiKang

      Roissy-En-France is a little city near Paris,
      This is where the Airport Charles de Gaule is.
      This event was held by the AST Roissy, the local shooting club.

  • derfelcadarn

    Coney Island is never going to be the same again.

    • Bill

      Amusement parks are classic soft targets. ISIS fighters could easily conceal themselves in Disney’s Small World ride. The music alone could kill. Maybe not all those cannon and musket shots on Pirates of the Caribbean are special effects.

    • M.M.D.C.

      Like Summer with ice.

  • “After repeatedly bashing my FN49 with a crowbar to no avail, I sought refuge in a mine cart. Desperately disengaging the brake I slowly rolled into the unkown. BLAM! The first mime narrowly missed my cart with RPG fire. My OODA loop engaged as I repelled the ambush with concerted dynamic return fire. Silently, their interpretive movements indicated direct hits. I thanked God for my GIGN railed-cart training. No internet hobbyist having ‘fun’ could dream of the day’s events. I’m still standing. Would you be?”

    • Bill

      The cart should be chased by a large rolling boulder.

  • Bill

    The guy should loose points for not maintaining cadence. As a bicyclist, there needs to be a stage involving an attacking dog, drawing from a jersey back pocket, firing one-handed while in an off-camber turn, gravel and road rash.

  • Spencerhut

    I’m pretty sure if you are doing this sort of shooting anywhere in the EU zone you are a very wealthy person with a taboo hobby. oh . . . and F. . the French.

    • wetcorps

      Well F… you too 🙂

    • Markus

      Yeah… not really. There are quite a few EU countries where various kinds of practical shooting competitions have become somewhat popular during the last couple years. Ammo isn’t more expensive than in the US either for those of us buying bulk and I wouldn’t call most of my shooting buddies very wealthy either.
      As for taboo – you’re wrong on that account as well at least for half the countries I can think of. For some people in Germany and the UK maybe, but Sweden, Norway, France, Austria, Germany and Finland are actually all among the top-15 guns per capita worldwide.

      In short: You couldn’t be more wrong.

    • DIR911911 .

      without the french we would have been a colony for a much longer time . . . and they are bombing the s–t out of isis everyday , have a baguette and chill 🙂

    • Calimero

      Ammunition – at least “standard” calibers (9mm, 5.56, 7.62×39) – is cheaper than in the US. Guns are more expensive though. But we have access to eastern europe/warsaw pact surplus when you’re on a budget (250 EUR for a Sa vz 58 is a good deal as a starter gun).

      Shooting is not cheap. But it isn’t much cheaper in the US. You won’t be making USPSA Grand Master if you’re flipping burgers at your local McDonald’s.

      Reloading is also very common in France both because of stupid regs and because of cost.

      As for “social acceptability”, target shooting is more common in eastern and norther europe. But even in Germany and France target shooting is usually accepted. Don’t get me wrong, because of population density there’s the noise issue. But people don’t really give a flying f**k that a bunch of guys and girls are shooting from simulated roller-coasters.

  • Nicks87

    Talk about unorthodox shooting positions. Really, the drills simulate very realistic situations a person could find themselves in, during an armed confrontation. I ride a bicycle to stay fit and the trail that I ride on goes through a rough neighborhood so I always carry when I ride. The little car going backwards could simulate a situation where a person is trying to back out of a parking area where they are being attacked in their car, their path gets blocked and they are forced to fight from that position. So, I say not shenanigans at all but legit training/simulation.

    • RatInDaHat

      how do you carry on your bicycle? I started wearing a pistolwear pt-one, but i’m not totally sold on it.

      • BryanS

        Lighter pistol really helps. My LCP in a OWB holster worked really well for mountain biking, and I made sure to use one that firmly retained the pistol in the event of a fall, which would have sucked like falling square on a rock.

      • Nicks87

        I Have a pacsafe waist pack that I use to carry my G26 and an extra mag, phone, keys, etc.

  • WeiKang

    In France, you can list 2 officials form of sport shooting for handgun:
    – The TSV (Tir Sportif de Vitesse), the French version of the IPSC.
    – The TAR (Tir a l’Arme RĂ©glementaire), a comptetitive shooting discipline where only weapons used by armed forces from all over the world is allowed.

    Civilian are banned from any tactical training classes so that’s where the “Fun Tir” comes in. (Training classes for civilian start to come out, but are still taboo)
    Fun Tir are smalls events held by clubs where the complicated rules from the TSV (timer+limited ammo) and TAR (no custom weapon allowed) doesn’t apply.
    Civilians comes to these event to learn new way to shoot.

    Alot of people from Police or Military comes to these event for training purpose as the official training given to them is considered terribly lacking.
    These event must not be considered as “Tactical” so the people holding these event have to make them “Fun” for the civilian and somewhat usefull for those who use them as training.
    It may looks ridiculous for some, but it is really tricky for them.

    (sorry for the grammar as English isn’t my main language).

    • Swarf

      Thanks for that.

      It’s easy to make fun (and it is a bit funny), but it’s good to know that the reality is that people in France are using this apparent silliness as a workaround of laws and social mores that keep them from training like every human should be able to.

    • BryanS

      Not silly they look like fun. And many people remember fun activities, more so than they remember hard training.

      Thanks for letting us know about the TSV and TAR!

    • Steve_7

      What about the FFT?

      • Kang

        You mean the “Federation Française de Tir”?
        If you want to be a legal shooter, you have to pay a fee to get a sport license to be considered a sportman.
        The FFT is the organization who manage all the sport shooters and the licenses..

  • Tahoe

    I like the backwards cart thing – it’s a relatively simple way to have targets unexpectedly presented, without being able to see them ahead of time; and easy to switch them up between runs. I’ve done a couple “jungle runs” but you can almost always see the targets coming up.

  • RICH

    Leave it to the French to come up with something like this. I’m suprised that they’re not still using flintlocks for competition ! …. : )

  • cloudhidden

    Makes more sense than their gun laws.

  • ParaLarry

    Did the backwards cart stage at Rio Salado back in the 90s. Had to propel with your feet through short tunnels that exposed targets to each side. Later they built the tracks into a two story roller coaster using a foot brake to control your downhill speed. If you made it to the end the final four head shots were only 10 yards. If you slowed down and stopped too soon they could be 30 yards. Too bad the carnival stages fell out of favor in the early 2000s.

  • Kang

    As my english is somewhat lacking, it looks like i wasn’t clear enough.
    Clearly i can’t speak about TLD (Tir Longue Distance = Long Distance Shooting) when i’m only speaking about handgun.
    There’s more division, but i spoke about “handguns” related ones.
    If there’s more division with things designed for “handguns”, then i’m sorry, i don’t know them for now.
    Most tactical events only allow peoples using weapons for there works like Police/Military/Security guard protecting money ect (retired peoples allowed)…
    The “FĂ©dĂ©ration EuropĂ©enne de Mise en Situation” was clear about the fact that these events was for “Avant tout rĂ©servĂ©s aux personnels publics ou privĂ©s portant une arme dans l’exercice de leurs fonctions” (EN: Before all, only reserved for public or private staff wearings weapons at works).
    I participated in a “Tir en situation” as a referee and no civilians were “officialy” accepted.
    I already said that training classes for civilians are coming out, but they are still not well know and somewhat Taboo.
    For sure i know about LabTac / ITFC13 / Breizh Team Formation / NTTC ect… but you can’t say that being able to come to one of there training is easy for the average Joe.

    • Paul Joly

      Bullseye, silhouette, blackpowder and near “fftir official” like cowboy action shooting. In France, a lot of things are taboo like the fact that civilians can own full auto firearms but I think you know that. “Pour vivre heureux, vivons cachĂ©s.”