Santa Clara Police on duty at Super Bowl 50

Santa Clara Police SB50

Chris sent us this photo he took of Santa Clara PD officers on duty at the Super Bowl 50 last week. The officers are rocking M4-style AR-15 carbines, each customized with a variety of accessories, and Glock pistols.

The officer on the Left seems to be going mostly stock with the addition of a EOTech sight and what looks like a Surefire SOCOM II Suppressor (correct me if I am wrong in the comments). Officer’s center and right have done various customizations including going with VLTOR IMOD stocks and Magpul PMAGs. Officer right has gone a little further and added a Mission First beavertail grip and Magpul MOE hand guard.


Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


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  • jpcmt

    Yeah! We get to play mall ninja! It’d be fun to watch them play ‘operator’.

    • Anonymoose

      Too bad us plebs aren’t allowed to join in the fun.

    • Bill

      You’ve never been to a SWAT Challenge….

  • FrenchKiss

    Why would they use suppressors?

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      Save their hearing, not having to use earpro all the time would be my guess.

      • USMC03Vet

        They are all wearing ear pro though……

    • Sianmink

      It’s the neighborly thing to do.

    • CommonSense23

      Why wouldn’t you, the only negative to a suppressor for them is going to be the added length. Which is easily negated by training.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Weight, and cyclic rate increase. But yea, for this specific job, silencer would be fine. THESE GUYS having them in a state that has otherwise banned them… Nope, I can’t get behind that.

        No doubt that at least two guys in this photo have no idea what they’re doing.

        • claymore

          And you make that statement biased on what looks? LOL

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Yes. Because if you have a drop leg holster – you haven’t actually trained hard enough in one to see why they are the worst invention ever created.

            None of those carbines have a scratch on them, their cloths don’t even have wrinkles.

            It’s almost as if a picture can tell you like 900-1100 words or something. Weird right!?

          • Bill

            Um, some of us who do this for a living “clean” our gear and “press” our uniforms before a major public event like this, or *gasp* even set aside a set just for high-profile gigs. I can’t believe a HSLD dude like you didn’t know about an “iron.”

            Even BDUs can be starched, ask any old-school Marine.

          • High profile events got the newest uniform I had and off to the dry cleaners. Polish brass, shine shoes and duty belt.
            If it was close protection of the president or other dignitary protection as well as the family of the president (liaison with USSS) a clean and pressed suit and two guns. My USSS partner was on their frequency and I was on our encrypted channel. Every larger city has the same setup for close protection with few a differences.

          • claymore

            Says you. Drop holsters work for people that have actually USED them unlike yourself. Swat team members take care of their equipment and if they presented scratched up weapons and dirty wrinked clothing you would be complaining about that.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Drop holsters work for people that have actually USED them unlike yourself.

            Classic.

          • claymore

            Classic but true.

    • Kivaari

      Hearing loss has become a major “thing” for military, police and fire. Shooting indoors with an M4 is very hard on the ears. We should all be able to have them without the $200 FET.

    • claymore

      The danger of FIRE is real it they have to fire on volatile fume areas.

    • Bill

      Because gunfire in a stadium with a zillion people is frowned upon, I don’t want Bud to spill his beer if I have to crank off a round or two. It can also help in deconfliction and telling the good guys from the bad guys.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    You can jock up with all the gear you want but if you cant shoot, move and communicate with it then you might as well have a watergun.

    • ostiariusalpha

      Except that your water gun might kill more innocent bystanders than any bad guys.

      • KestrelBike

        my favorite part is the dude with the kabar slotted right in front of his pistol for easy access/stabbing.

  • Kash Register

    Police? Geez, they look more like 2nd Marine Reg or regular Army. Shame.

    • terminalbrd

      They aren’t exactly regular patrol officers. Strangely enough, polyester heavy uniforms and pistols aren’t exactly the best equipment to have in the sorts of situations that involve a SWAT call out.

    • USMC03Vet

      They do look like they are doing to war don’t they? The hypocrisy of arming law enforcement to conduct massive shootouts in areas where 2nd amendment rights are so absurdly limited is pretty rich. What exactly are they so worried about occurring? Criminals? Why deny the same availability protection to lawful citizens? Perhaps the reason being they only care about certain citizens…

      • anonymous

        ” What exactly are they so worried about occurring? Criminals?”

        Ticket scalpers and those selling counterfeit NFL merchandise.

        • USMC03Vet

          I lol’d

      • Remember the shootout at the entrance to that muhammad drawing contest. The officers engaged the suspects and stopped them from coming inside and shooting who knows how many people.
        I’ve taken machine guns from suspects(H&R Riesling) so the rule is be as well armed as those who may confront you.

        • USMC03Vet

          Wasn’t that done with a pistol?

      • Doing to war?

        • USMC03Vet

          uh oh auto correct mistake in a comment on the internet? Well I never!

  • James

    The rifles, helmet and gear… it’s SWAT, I get it.. the suppressors are just rubbing it into California gun owners -_-

  • schizuki

    Those don’t look like police officers. Those are paramilitaries.

    • USMC03Vet

      They aren’t wearing military camo uniforms which is a step in the right direction at least, even if they are carrying military grade firearms which are denied to civilians.

      • Aaron E

        Are they full-auto? If not, we could outfit an AR-15 just like they did, though with an additional tax stamp for the suppressors.

        • Renegade

          Not in California.

          NFA items are illegal since 2000 (check me on the year); all existing in-state NFA items are still allowed, but must be destroyed if taken out of the state for any reason. No additional items are allowed into the state.

          Those mags would be allowed… If they were pinned/blocked to 10 rounds.

          Not to mention needing bullet buttons.

          • 1911a145acp

            Sorry, friend. You government exempted itself and all state Police forces from that illegal unconstitutional law ( ironically titled-Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986). Nearly any Police agency can buy/ acquire full auto on Dept letterhead.

          • Kivaari

            Police have to file a form 5 Tax Exempt NFA transfer. There is a waiting period as well.

          • 1911a145acp

            Exempt as in exempt from a $200 transfer tax, as in exempt from purchasing from the civilian transferable pre-1986 registered pool of “legal” Class III items. There is no “waiting period” There generally is a 30-45 day period for processing the forms.

          • Kivaari

            Well, government agencies are exempt rom the $200 FET tax. Semantics are at play. I’ve have had to wait period of time for the paperwork to come back. The fastest being 45 days and the longest 9 months. During the waiting period, “for processing”, I have waited before doing a build or being unable to hand over the 2 SBSs I sold to a local police department. Considering the NFA forms 1, 4 and 5 involve waiting. Not a statutory period, just a nuisance. If you qualify to buy any firearm by filling out a 4473 and getting an approval “instantly”, it should not take anymore time than any other gun. Processing should not take months. Especially that is already in the system and has an FFL.

          • NofDen

            ” Nearly any Police agency can buy/ acquire full auto on Dept letterhead.”
            As the police should be able to. Citizens also can buy them with a class with a background check and money.

          • 1911a145acp

            The Police ARE citizens. Do the “police” have some “extra” rights granted under the Constitution? KRISS Super V 45 acp Pre- 86 dealer sample/ LE full auto model is approx $1600. How much can buy one of those for with my background check and money?

          • The Forty ‘Twa

            You’ll be really pissed off when you realise cops can break speed limits, have powers you don’t, can buy vehicles at a big discount etc etc etc.

          • 1911a145acp

            I break speed limits -legally under certain circumstances, I get discounts on vehicles and other big purchases.Please identify the special powers that the police have, and point me to the place in the U.S. Constitution and your State Constitution where they are identified.

          • Bill

            You are kidding, right? You do know that George Washington established at least two of the first federal LE agencies, the Revenue Cutter Service and what developed into the US Park Police?

          • 1911a145acp

            Presidents and governments have created all sorts of agencies and granted them all sorts of “special powers” and “authority”. It has never meant they were legal or constitutional.

          • NofDen

            How many druggies have you dealt with this week?

          • 1911a145acp

            At least 3 so far and it’s only Tuesday…..

          • Jon

            Sounds like you need to move my friend. In Texas you can own everything those officers are displaying. You can even open carry a pistol or your favorite rifle. So move or fight for your rights in California!

        • NofDen

          And another license for full auto.

          • claymore

            No license needed just pay the tax stamp OR become a dealer.

      • Kivaari

        In California even the civilian models are restricted. I have always felt that the public should be able to own and use any firearms in use by our civilian police. Police should not be elevated to a higher position than a commoner.

        • John Brunk

          I can think of a LOT of civilians who I do NOT believe should have access to ANY firearms ….. much less the ones the police use!

          • Mark Apsolon

            How can you justify that statement? Do you feel that LE have a higher status and “entitled” to special privileges that a normal citizen is not?

          • Bill

            Well, there is the fact that we are professionally, ethically and legally obligated to get into stuff that you are allowed to run away from, so I don’t know if having a SBR really is a “special privilege” in that situation, particularly considering that it belongs to the agency.

          • Kivaari

            It should not cost $200 FET to have a SBR or SBS. I was issued an MP5A2. I couldn’t see any reason, beyond stupid laws, that made those guns into a prohibited class. If I had one in my patrol car, those that wanted one, should be allowed to own and use them. Like the M4carbine SBR. Why would a 16″ version be legal and the 14.5″ version unlawful unless you paid a penalty of $200? We should be allowed to own any thing we want (short of nukes).

          • 1911a145acp

            Sorry, you couldn’t be more wrong. SCOTUS has ruled time and time again the Police are under no obligation to protect individuals or prevent crime.Public employees who don’t do their job- get fired, that’s about it.Thank goodness most of them ( including you, we assume ) are true public servants with a real passion to serve and protect their communities. The issue is NOT with individual officers. It is the militarization of LE at state and local levels, with one set of rules for gear for them, and another limited set of rules for “Civilians”. Unless Military Uniform Code applies to you and your job, and the Commander-in-Chief is you boss, you are a civilian.

          • Nicks87

            According to Webster’s dictionary cops and firefighters are not considered civilians, regardless of what your opinion might be.

          • 1911a145acp

            Well gee… found a contrary definition in a DICTIONARY you say? That settles it…..

          • 1911a145acp

            Suggest you read Chapter 18 Title 18 of U.S.Code and then get back to me.

          • NofDen

            Yeah, McConnell,boehner,pelosi, obama, etc.

          • Swarf

            I can think of a LOT of civilians who I do NOT believe should have access to ANY firearms

            So can I. And most of those civilians are cops.

          • Kivaari

            It is why I normally say “GOOD PEOPLE”. Some people need to be filtered out. No one is suggesting that everyone gets a gun. With a gun comes responsibility. Police have no need to own firearms that are denied the people.

      • claymore

        What weapon is denied?

        • None—-

        • Cymond

          … You are aware that the Super Bowl was in California, right? Do you have any idea how bad CA’s fun laws are?
          Compare a civilian legal semi auto AR-15 with bullet button & 10 round magazines to a police issued select fire model with 30 round mags that drop free at the push of a button.
          Please tell me how the people in CA have equal access to firearms as the police.

          • claymore

            So MOVE or get the law changed.

          • Cymond

            “What weapon is denied?”
            “So MOVE or get the law changed”

            Dude, pick one. I straight up told you what weapon is being denied, and you moved the metaphorical goal post.

          • claymore

            It is not being denied it is available to folks in free states. So your move LOL.

          • Cymond

            Well that argument always exists, but you can’t really say that Group A is sssoooo free and has sssoooo many rights by talking about the rights that Group B has.

            The fact remains that the people if CA *are* denied the same weapons as the police. You cannot get around that. Comparing them to people somewhere else is disingenuous.

          • claymore

            The Democratic republic of California leads the world in crazy laws. Move and you too can be in group B but never forget your fellow citizens voted in the ones passing those laws THEY want so if you don’t want to be in that group move that is your vote, vote with your feet.

          • Cymond

            You seem to have missed the part about how that’s a disingenous comparison. I guess by your logic, no one is ever really oppressed as long as they have the option to leave, regardless of what it costs them (and I’m not just talking about money).

            I’m curious, what makes you think I’m a CA resident?

          • claymore

            Because you are complaining about their laws so much. If you aren’t why the rant and you were not denied anything.

          • Cymond

            I am familiar with their laws, and their rights are being denied. Or should I not care about my fellow citizens? I guess they shouldn’t matter. I should only care for myself and ignore the injustices of others. Their situation is completely irrelevant to me.
            ‘First they came for the Californians, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Californian.’ to paraphrase a famous poem about oppression.

            Your arguments have been trounced repeatedly by several comenters yet I’m ranting? You argued that they aren’t being denied, and I showed that they are. You continue to argue that their rights aren’t being denied because they could move. The fact remains that their rights are currently denied by the same agencies you are supporting.

          • claymore

            Right sure they are. so you personally are their champion. so you admit YOUR rights have not been trampled and no firearm was denied to YOU. Just like I posted LOL.

          • Cymond

            You move the goal posts, yet again.

            “so you admit YOUR rights have not been trampled and no firearm was denied to YOU. Just like I posted LOL.”
            Wow, I didn’t realize you were talking about MY rights. That’s impressive, considering I wasn’t a part of the conversation when you posted the comment “What weapon is denied?” 2 days ago.

            This conversation is (was?) about the Super Bowl that was held in California this year. Those people, the ones we’re discussing, are having weapons denied to them by the same government that issued the weapons in the pictures above. Either admit that they are being denied weapons, or tell me how they are not. Remember, we’re talking about the people in California, not somewhere else. Don’t change the subject, don’t dodge the issue. I’ll say it again: Please tell me how the people in CA have equal access to firearms as the police.

          • claymore

            they don’t

        • USMC03Vet

          Select fire weaponry.

          • claymore

            not in MOST states

      • 1911a145acp

        Allow me to correct you. Those are Militia grade weapons. Their free use and availability is identified for citizen members of the organized and unorganized militia. No mention the Sheriff’s men, or of the Chief of Police’s men.

    • Jeff NME

      The least they could have done is not look like they’re cosplaying soldiers.
      What’s wrong with the navy/dark blue and prominent badges which traditionally differentiates police from soldiers?

      • Kivaari

        There’s nothing wrong with green or brown or LAPD Blue. They just need to dress like police officers. There’s a time and place for such gear, it just isn’t what we should see at sporting events.

        • John Brunk

          Yea they should be dressed in shorts and t-shirts so they look different than the likes of the scumbag Muslims who went off in Riverside.

      • claymore

        WHY??? They too scary for you?

    • nadnerbus

      I recall reading an anecdote out of Iraq, where the commanders wanted permission, once the violence in a certain area had died down, to let their soldiers patrol without protective gear, helmets, armor and the like, and encouraged the soldiers to take off sunglasses. The idea being to appear less threatening and a more approachable and trustworthy.

      Kind of ironic.

      • Bill

        I take off my sunglasses when making contacts, otherwise I wear clear safety glasses. Someone spits in your face, you have to break a window out of a wrecked car, there’s all kinds of eye hazards in the LE field, I rank eye pro right up there with body armor.

        • nadnerbus

          Does standing by as strictly a visible deterrent warrant that, though? Super Bowl City in SF had the same thing going. Guys with M4s and full kit standing around to put on the show of force. I find that objectionable without an actual threat present. I don’t see why the visible officers can’t be more traditionally dressed while the SWAT types are tucked away in a trailer or room somewhere, ready to deploy if needed.

          That’s my civilian view of it anyway. I know nobody wants the next Boston marathon bombing on their watch, so I get the hyper vigilance. But do we really want this type of thing to become commonplace in a peaceful republic?

          • Bill

            I’d suggest asking the people who attended the game. If, as some people claim, that open-carrying is a deterrent to criminal attack, I’d say this might fall into the same category. It’s pretty common in Europe .

            Just imagine what you don’t see….

          • nadnerbus

            I have no doubt that it is an effective deterrent, but where would you draw the line then? Frisking every ticket holder? That would probably make everyone feel pretty secure, TSA style. Is there some limit to what can be done in the name of deterrent? Yeah, I know frisking is on a whole different level, but still.

            I’m not personally an advocate of open carry. I don’t feel the need to stop anyone from doing so, but I don’t think it is a particularly good idea for anyone that doesn’t need to do so specifically for a job or position that requires it. Much better for the bad guys to not know who might be carrying than be able to pinpoint them. And much like the guys in this picture, I feel that open carry, at least without a direct threat to the carrier, sends the wrong message as a society. I don’t advocate banning it either though.

            And, with all respect to our European friends, I’d prefer to not become more like them, in a lot of ways.

          • bob

            There is a very viable alternative to all those security measures. Its called DEAD. Just ask the people lined up and shot one by one in Paris or the people at the meeting in San Bernadino

          • Mikial

            Exactly! A lot of people would call those of us who carry daily over the top or paranoid. I’m happy to see the LEOs prepared to deal with an active shooter rather than trying to be PC and not offend anyone by looking too prepared.

          • Kivaari

            They could do it in a better fashion. Showing up in fill SWAT gear just strikes me as wrong. The only time we suited up was for training and stakeouts. We did not have enough officers to control traffic let alone run a raid. Several of the young officers were simply too wimpy

          • Mikial

            “The only time we suited up was for training and stakeouts.”

            It doesn’t sound like you had much of a SWAT team if you only wore gear for training or stake outs. I guess it would’ve been nice to live somewhere that didn’t really require a SWAT team.

            Based on what you said above and your comments about the young officers being too wimpy just makes me feel like the standard you are applying here in terms of criticizing the officers in the picture isn’t one that would fill me with confidence that I was being protected by the police as i go to the Super Bowl or anything else.

            Big cities and high visibility events are like magnets to terrorists. They absolutely require a high visibility security presence as a deterrent.

          • Kivaari

            We did not have a SWAR team. No local agency had enough people to form a single agency team. It was made up of officers from pretty much all agencies in the county. Some small agencies did not have anyone to contribute. In the small departments, remember that 90% of police departments have 10 or fewer officers, that none of them can form a team. The three largest agencies had just over 100 officers combined.
            It was even hard for them to train effectively due to all the scheduling difficulties, sick days, vacations and other training. If you have a department with 20 officers, you still can’t field a SWAT team. In small agencies there are not enough people to simply control traffic around an event. Like a standoff at a private home, a not uncommon event, where you have 2 officer on duty, and the other 8 are not sitting by their phones waiting for “the call”. How do you get a tam together fast? If your people live 15 to 40 miles away, and they are shopping 50 miles away and have the wife and kids along, just how do you expect them to respond? It is nice to have a well trained team. In reality most places simply wont have an effective team. You pull in officers from neighboring cities and counties. If you are lucky, you will have enough people within one hour to block vehicle and worse foot traffic around your scene. If lucky you have a semi-trained team there in 2 hours. What is the suspect going to do while you are calling in a force? It could be like San Ysidro, where the hesitation of the SWAT team, allowed 20+ people to be killed, while SDPD was setting up a command center 3 blocks away. And would not authorize a few patrol officers armed with 6 inch S&W Model 10 .38 revolvers and a shotguns to move in and kill Huberty.
            Getting real, means most places have some enthusiastic members that will have self trained, and have enough gumption to go in with less than ideally formed teams. Look at Columbine where most of the cops could not even communicate with other officers. The hesitation allowed many more deaths and injuries. The tactics in San Ysidro and Columbine were run in a fashion common in big departments. In small agencies, you will either gather some tombstone courage, and attempt to solve the problem. A fact of life is doing s may get you killed. Sitting back waiting for the guys and gear allows more to be harmed. A balancing act that is hard to solve.
            I watched the county joint team show up with inadequate gear. They were afraid to allow “unknown things” to interrupt what they saw as threatening their ability to adapt and solve the problems. When they would not consider allowing our bomb tech to plant booby traps, “Because, if Larry dose that, we will get killed”. They couldn’t think beyond what they thought should happen. When the real thing happens, they would be unprepared. Just a couple years ago, they seemed stuck in that mind-set, while they had a real call out. Where they did get one officer shot, and a suicidal manic in full combat gear got some return fire and burned the house down around them. It is bound to happen that things will go south, even in the full-time teams. Where failures by a nearby agency to stop the suspect, led to the shooting death of one officer, the wounding of others (officially only one other officer was hit by the same round that killed the dead cop, but scuttlebutt had it 5 were wounded by friendly fire). Stuff just goes wrong.
            We were very lucky as the two chiefs I worked under bought us excellent gear. The chiefs knew that we would likely be without adequate support for a while, and may need to go it alone. We all knew we should have more men. We knew from first hand participation in a failed SWAT operation by or LT. that hesitation leads to innocent death and injury. So, do we go it alone, or with one other man to help? Or do we sit back while the SWAT team forms up over the next two hours? Do we go in wearing traditional uniforms or change clothes so we “Looked like SWAT”? It is a major issue that is not easily solved. It’s an issue where many small agencies, buy some nice gear, try to train every patrol officer how to use it and hope for the best and a fast response from other departments.
            Where I live now, there are about 20 cops in the entire county. They have a CERT team. The turn over in officers is about 10 per year and has been over 70 in a 4 year election cycle. When the sheriff has 15 officers, and half or ore of the deputies get a start here, with the ability to move to a bigger and better paying department, it is hard to keep a trained team. Cops get a start in smaller lower paid departments and most don’t stay for a year. Often the turnover is one deputy per month. At the end of a years, they can be working with almost everyone having less than a year of actual police work. It is hard o fault the new guys for leaving. We have a rather backwards thinking sheriff. People see that and I have always said, they quit so they can work for a “real” department.
            This is a fact of life for many, if not most, underpaid small towns and counties.
            We have seen some agencies drop to as few as a sheriff and one deputy. Where they mostly do civil service paper services and work with other places for a place to store the prisoners. Many places can’t get enough money to have an effective courtroom presence during trials. It is a very tough world out there. It is why people in many places need to be prepared to defend the ranch on their own.
            SWAT teams, that’s a really nice idea. How can we get some trained officers willing to work for 60% of what the nearby counties pay? How do we keep them? We can’t. Where I now live the county population dropped from 23,000 to 13,000 in the last 30 years. The once formidable tax base has completely reversed it’s self. We are not alone.

          • Mustascheo

            Well, if the People’s Republic of Kalifornia would allow the proles to carry, these security measures wouldn’t be as necessary.

          • Kivaari

            Too bad people in Paris and San Bernardino couldn’t carry a pistol for self defense.

          • bob

            Europe has Very strict gun laws with the predictable results,something gun grabbers in the U.S. overlook. Bad guys will ALWAYS have weapons, the only question is, will laws make it easier to get what they want by making intended victims defenseless ? Nobody wants to die and to be forced to line
            up waiting your turn while watching others before you get shot, as happened in Paris must have been a nightmare !!

          • Kivaari

            Like the victims at Umpqua Community College. They were stood by a wall, then asked what religion they were. When they answered “Christian”, they were killed. I’d think I would have taken some kind of physical action. Even getting killed trying to disrupt the killers plans, would be better than waiting in line to die.

          • CanineCo

            Agree. IMHO civilian open carry (OC) is a bad idea in two ways: a) It’s tactically stupid, making the OC person the first target in a actual deadly force or active shooter confrontation, and b) It really scares the sheeple. Carry lawfully and concealed.

          • All the Raindrops

            Lol @ the “OC makes you a target” people.

            A) Criminals look for soft targets. A guy open carrying is not a soft target.

            B) Screw the sheeple. They could use some desensitization to the sight of people exercising their 2A rights anyway

          • nadnerbus

            Here’s something I will concede though. They may very well have had some direct, credible threats to the venues that we don’ know about, and didn’t need to know about.

          • Ceapea

            Exactly!
            So many complain about police appearing “over the top”. Who are we to say (or guess) what they know and are preparing for. At an event like that, the possibility of threat goes up. Me, I’d welcome armed guards at all airports and schools, all the time. Hey, it works for Israel.

          • Swarf

            A better question is “Who are they to not tell us”

            Any threat the cops use as an excuse to buy surplus MRAPs is bullshit and a lie until proven otherwise.

          • Kivaari

            Having surplus armored vehicle is a good thing. I would not deny them that bit of safety gear. I bet the 15 people shot during the North Hollywood Bank robbery wished the cops had one of them.

          • Kivaari

            It can be done without all that gear. Have it nearby. Put cops in a conventional uniform, and have them carry a carbine or SMG. Put them into decent body armor, that is obviously police.

          • Kivaari

            Israel lives with nearly daily terrorism. Israel is the size of a large county with a continuous history of war and terrorism. I would expect Israel to be on a constant alert. I think these cops could have done the job while wearing a good uniform. Or at least they could have figured out a way to not look so sloppy.

          • Kivaari

            What I have seen over the years is most (not all) SWAT attired officers only have the image of being SWAT. Our county SWAT team members were known for saying that “brain power and maturity” was better than being young and fit. The sergeant in charge said he wished he had a few young men that could run. When we offered to have our bomb tech set up booby traps in a building that was ready for demolition. They all said, “If Larry sets it up, we would get “killed or injured”. I told the sergeant that if that happens, they could demonstrate how the mission continues, while the “injured officer”, is cared for and transferred to EMS. Some of the team mates had been skilled, a couple were former special ops soldiers. They were under funded, had poor equipment and didn’t train hard enough. They looked more ragged than the three cops here.

          • Kivaari

            I’d be more impressed had the cops been wearing good quality uniforms. I have nothing against the combat gear in the correct circumstances. I don’t mind cops packing an M4 or M5. These guys look out of place and don’t seem to “wear their uniform with pride”. They look sloppy.

          • bob

            You have been watching too much Mickey and Goofy on T,V. How do You know what if any threat level exsisted ??

          • Kivaari

            It is like a cop saying he wont wear his body armor today as “nothing will ever happen here”. Then some jihadi nut puts a stolen .22 pistol bullet into you guts.

          • John Brunk

            We no longer live in a peaceful republic. The gangs and dope dealers run the show. The political prostitutes only do that which lines their own pockets.

          • Kivaari

            America, outside of the inner-city messes, are quite peaceful. That is why small town and rural America has lower crime than Europe and UK. Western Culture for the most part is much less violent than 100 years ago.

          • All the Raindrops

            Gangs and dope dealers don’t attack the super bowl. They don’t want scrutiny or publicity.

          • NofDen

            There is no peace in this Republic as long as obama and libtards, are in charge.

          • ensitue

            The unfortunate reality is: Truck Bombs, often preceded by a small car w/a bomb as well to clear the obstacles placed to stop a truck bomb. In such circumstances an abundance of heavily armed personnel is an efficient way to neutralize the threat as it occurs, BTW European militarized police do not stop all threats, heck European police are too busy arresting raped women to stop much of anything

          • Kivaari

            Notice how the Paris killers used suicide vests and firearms. People will attack at the weak spots. Putting SWAT forces out and working the line, will create choke points where the bomber will hit. Just like NYC subways. The transit police have extra security, and it causes the choke points. A killer wont make it onto the train with a gun or bomb, as they get screened before boarding. It’s great for terrorists, since that crowd becomes the new soft target.

          • Mikial

            “I find that objectionable without an actual threat present.”

            My experience in well over 10 years of private security work all over the world is that you don’t know there’s an actual threat until something happens. By then it’s a little too late to ask the bad guys to hang one a few minutes while you go get kitted up.

            I don’t find this intimidating or objectionable. It’s not at all unusual to see police in full gear at the train and Metro stops in DC and Northern Virginia. The Super Bowl would be a terrorists dream come true as a target. Maybe if the police in Paris had been this prepared at the concert there wouldn’t have been so many people slaughtered. We all call for the government and police to do more to stop criminals and terrorists, then when they try to the same people complain it’s over the top.

          • Ish

            We are no longer in a peaceful republic.

          • I wish we were!

          • Bill

            And yet violent crime has been consistently trending downward for at least the last decade. And as mass killings may, or may not, depending on how you frame the stats, be increasing, they still average less than 20 a year and kill fewer people than bad weather.

          • tincankilla

            i wonder if its less about deterrence and more about focusing the attention of bad guys. ie, by being there, the cops are positioning themselves as primary targets to draw fire away from event goers.

          • wdhutch

            yea I think most people miss the fact that police ARE civillians

      • Make America Great Again

        How many times have we lost the war in Iraq? I keep losing track. US Military motto since WWII: “We win every battle and lose every war!”

        • WFDT

          Well, that’s what happens when a war is predicated on a lie with faulty intelligence, when it has no clear plan, exit strategy, or funding requirements.

          • Bill

            Stop it. Making sense has no place here.

      • stephenfshaw

        We did that quite a bit in Iraq – it was harder to get Command approval than buy-in with the Marines. Having been in that position, I now look at all the up-armored LEO with a bit of cynicism, I admit.

      • Xanderbach

        The British military (who have experience with colonies, oddly enough) would remove their helmets and sunglasses once they enter a town. As you said, makes them seem more “personable” and human. Then again, the British do have a certain attitude that seems conducive to this… Sort of a polite condescension. As I learned as a stage performer (surprisingly) people expect a sort of “rock star” mentality from their “betters” (I put it in quotes, as they normally aren’t any better per se) so when they get that attitude, it’s calming. Kinda crap, but effective.

        • Edeco

          Well said. I hadn’t thought of it quite that way. I’ve long lamented the bipolar, unrealistic attitude of the public toward LE (that they’re either heroes or thugs). And of some LE toward themselves. Classic unhealthy relationship.

          • Kivaari

            Too many cops have an attitude that triggers a negative response from the public. Like the cop pulls a person over for speeding. The cop asks, “Do you know why I stopped you?”, in a harsh tone. They want to play a game with the driver. That is the wrong way. My approach was to say “Hello, the reason I stopped you is you were speeding 45 in a 30 zone”. Attitude and attire. Make a stop in SWAT gear nd the chief will be talking to you the next day. Yes, there are exceptions.

          • Edeco

            Good approach; it’s heartening that police often chose to keep it cool on their own. I blame my fellow members of the non-LE public as much as anything for the others. I mean, as Xanderbach points out, people feel calm if they lick boot, or they think they can have a separate peace and some other demographic takes the crap, or they just want to have a police force and not worry about what it does… after that it’s inevitable, someone’s going to show up and take the job.

          • Kivaari

            It’s easy to hire cops. The trouble is if you want good cops, they are hard to find and keep.

          • 1911a145acp

            In reference to your statements of public -vs- LE and themselves Mundus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur, indeed….

      • buzzman1

        Reminds me of Beirut. Marines werent even allowed to have mags in their rifles and look were that got us.

        • Kivaari

          The Marines must have had the same routine as the army. When challenging an intruder, you had to verbalize the initial threat (friend or foe). If that didn’t stop, you put the magazine in the rifle. Then you charged the rifle. Then you can fire a round in a safe direction. After that you were supposed to shoot to wound. Good grief it was simply stupid. But, some of the most dangerous people on earth are 19 year old Marines and grunts.

          • buzzman1

            During the first 4 years of the obama admin they tried to force reactivate me 3 times. I just flat out told them it would be the biggest mistake you ever made. I’m old school and homie dont play that crap about letting people shoot at you and not being allowed to return fire.

    • Bill

      This whole “militarization” thing just happened:

      • Budogunner

        As long as the law abiding citizen is as free to own, carry, and use for personal defense the same gear, I don’t care what they have.

        Of course, that is not the case here.

        • claymore

          Yes it is except for california

          • Budogunner

            Price a civilian transferable machine gun or auto sear then tell me things are equal.

            Also, California is not the only State with laws that are more restrictive than the NFA.

          • claymore

            So get a job that lets YOU meet the price. YOU chose not to have them by YOUR choice of where to live want NFA weapons like these MOVE to a state that allows them

          • Budogunner

            All Americans should be equally free.

            Also, the average American does not get to “choose” to have so much disposable income that they can drop over $25K on an MP5 that should only cost about $1600.

            Freedom should not be restricted to the rich or “the man”.

          • claymore

            It is driven by desire if you want one you CAN buy them. Your choices are what is the restriction

          • 1911a145acp

            You are daft friend. The feds are the ones who criminalized the 2nd Amendment not US. We have the rights, THEY have the limits. The Government’s illegal action has caused a 1000% increase in a commodity protected by LAW. They broke the law. Would you say I should have to move from state to state, and make more money in order to exercise FREE SPEECH!? Ridiculous.

          • claymore

            So earn more money.

          • nadnerbus

            Respectfully, there are a limited number of registered machine guns. Saying to just earn more money to get one is another way of saying you need to be wealthy to partake in a right. Also, when there are more people looking for FA than registered FA weapons, not only will the price be bid to even more ridiculous levels, some will go without, access to wealth or not.

          • claymore

            And that is capitalism at work you want to be a commie? They just want them more than you do and are willing to pay for the privilege to own them. We all have choices to make in what we buy.

          • nadnerbus

            Capitalism is not state mandated scarcity. There is literally nothing remotely free market about the legal full auto registered pool.

            The great thing about capitalism is that it is exceedingly good at making once prohibitively expensive goods and services affordable to the masses when left free of market distortions. The ridiculous prices of registered machine guns proves the opposite corollary of that.

            Yeah, people that are willing to move to a different state, forgo other financial priorities, and take riskier, higher stress jobs for a higher income to buy one probably want it more than me. The point is, there is no good reason why that should even be necessary.

          • claymore

            So you admit it you COULD have one but your priorities are not for one.

          • iksnilol

            Not capitalism to restrict something arbitrarily.

            Why can LE buy new machineguns but normal citizens can’t? You can’t call anything made in 1986 new.

          • claymore

            Because they have a demonstrated NEED that you don’t.

          • iksnilol

            Dayumn, that’s some straight up anti-gun rhetoric right there.

            LE needs MGs whilst you lowly commoners don’t need MGs. Careful is all I can say, slippery slope and all.

          • Bill

            Yeah, gotta prep for those zombies.

            What’s really funny is that I have free access to two full auto firearms, and turned them down. Just no practical use.

          • iksnilol

            Seriously though, if semi auto is allowed then why isn’t full auto? Same thing applies to handguns and SBRs. If one is legal without a a tax stamp, then why does the other one require one?

            It’s a matter of principle.

            NOTE: I also got full auto access, never use the full auto in spite of using the rifle itself often.

          • Bill

            How come I can run a boiler at my house, but need a license to run one at a business? Why do barbers get more training than cops? Does anyone actually go to the maintenance office to read elevator inspection certificates? Why do you need a license to skydive?

            It may not make sense, but why is it such a mondo huge deal to some people? In the greater scheme of things, it’s a automatic weapon, not the cure for cancer, which we all know will have to undergo loads of government testing and regulation. If a person’s idea of fun is shooting bullets by the bucket, they can do so, at less cost and effort than getting a pilots license and buying a small plane. And if they are in California, they have to decide what they want more: a machine gun, or great weather, good wines and wildfires.

            “Just because I want one” is third-grade level logic.

          • iksnilol

            But that isn’t my argument at all.

            Police are citizens just as much as you or I. Kinda hypocritical to make somebody more equal than others.

          • Bill

            No, the police are the police, they have a certain job to do that requires certain tools, training and clothing. Police car manufacturers typically won’t sell police package cars to citizens, is that equally unequal? If you want a Hemi Charger, you’ll have to piece it together yourself at a dealership, instead of ticking off the police pursuit option box. If you want a machine gun, you’ll have to piece it together yourself, and tick off the correct boxes on forms.

            I’ve got a whole bunch of stumps I have to dig out by hand or machine, that I could clear in a day with dynamite, but apparently I’m not the “equal” of a licensed blaster, because no one will sell me dynamite because I haven’t had the training or certification, nor do I have the special magazines and tools to do the job. If I want to blow up stumps, legally, I’ve got to jump through the hoops, or spend a couple weeks with a rented excavator, even though I can crimp a cap or light a fuse. How hypocritical is that?

            It isn’t like I’ll get to keep my MP5 or M4 when I retire.

          • Cymond

            It’s “capitalism at work” to have artificial supply limits?

          • claymore

            YES

          • Cymond

            You must have a very different definition of capitalism than the rest of us. False scarcity created by big government as a method to control availability is not “capitalism”.

          • claymore

            Right……………

          • claymore

            I have priced them and own them. Your desire for one and not having the money is the restriction man up get a good job and buy one if you don’t like the price that is your problem.

        • Xanderbach

          I agree- If the police need it, they should have it. The issue is that when all you have is a hammer, everything starts looking like nails. More a training and reasonable force issue, not an equipment issue.

          • Bill

            Look up 2 cases: Tennessee v Garner and Graham v Connor. Then consider what the rules governing “reasonable force” were before then.

            Reading those will point out why the whole “police militarization” issue is essentially pointless; we have more restrictions on when and how we can use force now than any time prior in our history. We’ve had armored cars and machine guns forever, and previously were a lot more liberal in using them.

          • Kivaari

            Yup!! I don’t like how every warrant service is done by SWAT.

          • Bill

            No one knows how many warrants are served, or aren’t served, by SWAT. We send Deputies out alone just because we can’t get the crew together. I’ve never worked at an agency that had a full-time team, and most agencies don’t. And my big city brethren complain that there teams will only roll on. cases where the target already has a history of violence , instead of taking the call to prevent them from developing a history of violence.

          • Budogunner

            As a martial arts instructor who has trained LEOs, who has several students who are LEOS and are instructors for other LEOs… this man speaks truth.

        • Bill

          What are you going to do with flashbang grenades? Just curious. They’re a little much for the Fourth of July.

          If you want a FA SBR with a suppressor, start your paperwork.

          • Budogunner

            Flash bangs would be a nice first first response to a home invasion. Less risky to both parties than a direct confrontation with your loaded home defense firearm.

            As for FA SBR, that’s kind of a weird way to put it. The NFA makes no distinction between machine guns based on barrel length. SBR Only applies to non-machine guns.

            More practically, I’d like an MP5 with safe, semi, 3-round burst trigger pack. Look up how much one of those goes for as a civilian transferable machine gun. Then consider LEO Depts. can get them for under $1600. Not even close to being on a level playing field there.

            And, finally, we are specifically talking about California. Good luck trying to lawfully buy a firearm configured like any of those 3 in that State as a civilian.

            Saying you can have these with just a little Paperwork anywhere in the US already is a little dishonest.

          • Bill

            Hey, people choose where to live. If you want it bad enough, jump through the hoops.

            Go for a laser dazzler – a flashbang will ruin your carpet or mess up a hardwood floor. Sheesh. Or, if you don’t care about your carpets or floor and want a quasi-less-than-lethal response to a home invasion, get a Rottweiler.

          • Budogunner

            I got two take aways from that post.

            1) You are completely ok with US Constitutional freedoms being infringed upon by a State and anyone who wants to be free should “just move. ”

            2) You recommend training an animal to attack human beings as a viable and responsible approach to self defense.

            I must respectfully, but strongly, disagree with your worldview.

          • Bill

            Aren’t you the same guy whom thought smoke grenades were a “good idea” for an active killer incident? Like, let’s make people think the place is on fire, in addition to someone trying to kill them.

            Somehow I’ll struggle by without the approval of a dude who wants to flashbang his own crib.

            I recommend moving to a lot of people who live in hellholes. Or stay and deal with it. And there are these things called K9s, pets, watchdogs or fur missiles that many of us have lounging around shedding and eating, I have absolutely no issues with Jasper the Land Shark taking a bite out of crime if someone’s trying to break in. It beats the alternative, which might involve one or more flashes, followed quickly by an equal number of bangs.

          • Budogunner

            I don’t recall commenting about smoke grenades. I think you have me confused for someone else.

          • claymore

            There are way more states where you CAN owe them than states where you can’t.

          • Kivaari

            You can’t buy new machineguns.

          • Oldawg

            Sure you can – if you want to pay the price and get the proper license. Ruger even makes one – the selective fire AC-556.

          • Kivaari

            No machineguns built after May of 1986, can be sold to private citizens. If you have the proper dealers license you can buy new machineguns for demonstrating to police agencies. OR you can buy guns made before May of ’86, but the cost is high. An M16 that sold for under $1000 can be had for $20,000. If the gun is NIB condition, but built before 86, you can transfer it, paying the $200 FET, but It won’t come cheap.

          • BB

            Or you can buy a really nice aftermarket trigger and get a fast semiauto with short reset and get .14 second splits versis .1 seconds for an automatic. Me? I’ll spend the $250 on the trigger. (But I admit I loved my M16)

          • Kivaari

            I have Geiselle SSA triggers in all my ARs. They are excellent. I got them for $200 OTD. Well, worth the money.

          • Kivaari

            I loved the M16A1. Nostalgia for it runs high, but an M16A2, A3, A4 or M4A1 would be OK. I recently sold my Bushmaster HBAR so I could buy a tax stamp and SBR upper for my M4 Colt. I should have kept the HBAR, as it was a very accurate rifle, even without having a floating barrel. People say they can’t shoot under MOA, yet that rifle did. I found Wal*Mart Perfecta ammunition to produce great groups out of any AR I’ve used.

          • Kivaari

            The Ruger gets very hot very fast. After a couple magazine dumps, they start cooking off. I would rather have an M4A1 or M16A1.

          • Bill

            BTDT, and found the solution: don’t do mag dumps. They’ll also melt those plastic clamp-on bipods.

          • Kivaari

            That’s what I would do. Hand a machinegun to some people and they can’t resist the urge to shoot other people ammo. I liked the AC556 in the G-model. In the early guns we had to replace the rear sight leaf and aperture size, before they were able to be zeroed.

          • Kivaari

            And the clamp on lasers and lights.

          • Kivaari

            Each “bang” in flashbangs is an NFA device. A private citizen, if they could find a dealer that will sell them, would need the paperwork for each one, and pay the $200 FET for each one.

          • Bill

            Yep, which is one reason we don’t keep any on hand – the accountability and paperwork issues were just too much, let alone the cost. If somebody needs to get banged, we’ll let the state use up their toys, though there is a neat reusable device supposedly coming on the market that the BATFE says isn’t a DD, until somebody writes a letter for clarification.

          • Kivaari

            A non-DD flashbang would be better. ATF says they have all kinds of trouble keeping track of them. A few years back a Southwest Washington PD was training in abandoned house, that were set for destruction. One of the officers dropped the re-fill (the charge and spoon without the cover) and did not notice. Two kids were playing there a few days later. A girl picked up the charge, pulled the pin, and lost a hand. Very poor public relations. That is why the paperwork needs to be kept up to date. Every one checked out, next to the officers name, is a must do. I could just hear the chief screaming his lungs out over this. Hell, our former sheriff came unglued when a deputy dropped a Velcro ID tag saying, “SHERIFF”. He thought such things were too sensitive to be out of his control. He should have looked on line, where you can buy FBI badges.

    • codfilet

      How many current policemen are veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan?

      • claymore

        What difference does it make?

      • Bill

        A lot less than were vets of WW1, WW2, Korea and Nam, setting aside the Civil war and others that might be considered to be before the development of modern policing. That’s another hole in the “police militarization” myth; up through the 60’s and mid 70’s you could pretty much bet that most if not all coppers had a military background. Plenty do today, but not nearly as many as in the good old Mayberry days.

        • codfilet

          You think? where does a young combat vet get a job these days?

          • Bill

            Pretty much anywhere in government he or she wants, with veteran’s preferences being what they are. The fact remains that on a percentage basis, far fewer troops have been deployed on the GWOT than during the Big Ones, when there were drafts and wimmins building tanks and shuttling aircraft around and doing lard drives. Then when you figure the percentage of actual trigger pullers versus tracked vehicle mechanics…

      • A heck of a lot!

    • bob

      When you go to a gala you wear a tux.In this case the Officers were correctly dressed for the type of Ball they were there to prevent. Perhaps a little Pink and Chartreuse would have been more to your liking.

    • John Henry Bicycle Lucas

      I agree, they look like some kind of storm troopers.

    • FalconMoose

      Exactly. My first thought was MERCS! Maybe Russian, as well.

    • K5blazer

      It’s call SWAT.

    • CavScout

      Because WE need them to be. They’re there for one reason, and it’s not to write parking tickets.

  • TheSmellofNapalm

    As a Santa Clara county resident in California, this troubles and disgusts me. I’m troubled by the fact that my police force feels the need to gear up this much for a sporting event where only the obscenely rich can get in anyway, and I’m disgusted that my state and its inhabitants feel it’s fair that cops can utilize drop-free mags over 10 rounds, short barrels and suppressors while we civies are stuck with highly regulated clubs. I swear, as soon as I’m done with college I’m moving to a less paranoid region of our country.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      I get that the SB is a legit target that needs extra protection but why cant that be done by the National Guard or something?
      And do these cops have any special training or are they just going to start spraying if something goes down?
      And yeah, ticket prices are insane.

      • USMC03Vet

        Law enforcement has no business using automatic weaponry, period.

        • Edeco

          Im against it for my state and local ones. Not that I take part in state and local government; if I wanted to whiz into wind I’d be shopping for a large fan and a case of 55-calorie beers.

        • anonymous

          “Law enforcement has no business using automatic weaponry, period.”

          Law enforcement should be restricted to the same weapons that civilians in their jurisdictions are.

          • Dave

            Law enforcement should be restricted to law enforcement not terror combat response. Remember we have a “war” on terror which is why so many of us volunteered to join the Military to go fight terrorists. If the LEO guys want to kit up as combat Soldiers, Sailors Marines and Airmen then go find a recruiter. If we need to put out a display of readiness to fight terrorism then have the Governor of the particular state where the event is happening mobilize the State Guard FOR THAT SPECIFIC EVENT only and have the police standing by for arrests of the survivors. Case in point, the riots in Ferguson.

          • Bill

            My nearest Guard unit is an anti-aircraft missile unit, then there’s a Reserve medical unit a couple hours away. I don’t know anything about antiaircraft missiles – can they be used against a school shooter?

            How many MOSs are the actually killing terrorists kind, versus the support kind?

          • Dave

            That is a management and policy issue. I was talking about a State Guard but when the War on Terror becomes rampant here, the training and diversity of the MOS’s will correspondingly evolve. As I am sure you know, the Constitution and Bill of Rights guarantee “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” And in this particular discussion I think that the verbiage “a well regulated” could be interpreted to mean staffed and managed to cover as many MOS’s as possible AND trained adequately.

            Your Reserve Medical unit would have been perfect in a mass casualty situation. God forbid but if we ever truly have a weapon of mass destruction (N.B.C.) we will need military level responses hopefully bereft of martial law. Martial law will be the final nail in this country’s coffin.

          • Bill

            There are .mil/Guard/Reserve components that support at least our states’ emergency management agency and have the ability to provide support in CBRNE cases. I can’t break down who does what, but whenever I call The Phone Number somebody answers who sounds like they know what they are doing.

            The Guard used to fly marijuana spotting flights with us aboard, but wouldn’t drop us in fields or do anything fun.

          • claymore

            LOL yelling about police clothing then actually suggesting military response ON THE STREETS OF THE USA confused much or just hate police?

        • Sam

          Actually full auto can be very useful in law enforcement if the individual is properly trained how and when to employ it. Perfect example is the recent movie Sicario at the beginning when the female FBI agent dumps the cartel member as she gets fired upon when entering the room(rest of the movies is completely unrealistic).

          • Matt

            ..”Perfect example is the recent movie Sicario”…
            Enough said.
            And, by the way, I don’t think cops need high capacity magazine, because AS SEEN as perfect exemples IN MANY MOVIES, guns mostly never run out of ammos, expecially when firing full auto…

        • claymore

          Why?

          • USMC03Vet

            Because automatic weapons are an offensive area weapon used to suppress, not something that police should be doing. Their other use as a defensive position weapon also contradicts the police’s role as law enforcement. Part of the job is realizing you’re not military and thus certain weapons and tactics aren’t going to fly. I am by no means anti cop, they just have a significantly defined role.

          • claymore

            So you actually think that is the only use of automatic weapons? And you know better than the police administrators on which weapons they should use. You don’t think the LA Police could have used a few during the bank shootout against two bank robbers with their own automatic weapons and fully clothed in armor? BTW that incident was stopped by swat officers firing automatic weapons.

        • Nicks87

          I would have to agree. Full auto just isn’t very practical, has a higher risk for collateral damage and costs for more to feed, maintain and train with.

          • NofDen

            But, the bad guys can get automatic weapons. It’s hard but they can steal them. The police should be able to match the firepower that anyone can put together.
            Santa Clara has 122,000 residents. Hardly a large metropolitan city.
            Welcome to the Santa Clara 49’s, football team.

          • Cymond

            Where are the criminals stealing them from? Civilians can’t have full-auto in CA. If criminals are stealing full-autos, they must be streaming them from police & military.

            Sorta circular logic.

          • NofDen

            We can have them in Colorado and probably other states. You pay a fee and get approval. I have never done it.

          • Nicks87

            Match firepower? Now there’s a myth. This make believe arms race between the cops and the criminals still doesn’t justify LEOs carrying anything full auto in crowded densely populated areas.

          • USMC03Vet

            I find it pretty of ironic sending our military to war then putting the most ridiculous ROE’s that impede them from winning, but at home our police open fire widely in some of the most ridiculous situations seemingly without punishment. Take for example the Chris Dorner event where LA police shot up that truck for no reason other than they thought it was him. Imagine if they had automatics now….

        • I think the old saying take a walk in my shoes before you make a statement like that.

          • USMC03Vet

            I be be a jackass and say the same thing, but I won’t because it would be a false appeal to authority argument. Law enforcement could law enforcement without automatics, MRAPs, and camo uniforms. There are inherit risks and responsibilities when you take the job that limit what tactics you can use. Well there use to be at least.

      • anonymous

        “And do these cops have any special training or are they just going to start spraying if something goes down?”

        Look out, Ned! It’s Christopher Dorner, and he’s coming right at us!

      • Aaron E

        Holy cow no! Trust me, the regular Army is limited in firearms training except when deployed to hot zones. The National Guard is even more restricted and limited.

        Most Guardsman are not “combat” units, but rather supply and logistics – truck drivers, mechanics, with a sprinkling of MP units. I have several good police friends that doubled up with Guard MP units. They said their police training was by far superior to Guard MP and firearms training. A regular Army MP Captain just joined our local police force. Though his job as an officer was obviously different than enlisted MP’s, he said the Army training was very limited, and their experiences were mostly with domestic violence or brawls between soldiers.

        These officers are SWAT officers from a large metropolitan agency. Typically it takes 5-7 years of law enforcement experience to just be considered for a SWAT assignment. These officers get additional monthly training on firearms, critical incident response, team tactics, negotiation and less lethal weapons.

        I’d much rather see highly trained police officers, than National Guardsman at a major event.

        • My department required a minimum of 5 years service to be considered. There was also a physical test and a more in depth psych test, firearms proficiency and a fresh background check.

        • Xanderbach

          As a former National Guard artilleryman, I both agree and disagree. I was in the 2/192 FA, attached to the 29th INF, so had to be ready for full combat at any point. We consistently rated as the best field artillery unit in the ENTIRE US Army, not just the NG. Yet alot of our attached units (dealing with supply and logistics) were severely lacking.
          National Guardsman, IMHO, should only be used for disaster relief and invasions. They are the state armies, and shouldn’t be federal.

      • Kivaari

        The military can not be used for law enforcement unless martial law is declared. WE do NOT want the military doing civilian LE duties.

        • Dave

          That’s hyperbole. Read the entire Act. How do you think the Navy and Coast Guard work the maritime drug smuggling operations. In this particular case, if the show of force is predicated, the State Guard is kitted up for response and embedded LEO personnel are there for civil criminal processes.

          • Kivaari

            Regarding the Coast Guard, I expect them t be dressed for the job. They are not interdicting ticket scalpers. I fully support the USCG to do their job. Now, just which “State Guard” are you referring to? The Army National Guard or the actual State Guard (AKA: Militia)?
            Most people do not know that several states maintain a State Guard, under the states “Militia Act”. The ARNGUS is not the same as the State Guard that is under the authority of the governors, and are not subject to federalization. The ARNGUS is a reserve component of the US Army. The Super Bowl is not a natural disaster or an invasion of foreign troops. When the National Guard has been used they do it under the watchful eye of civilian police. Few NG soldiers have the training to perform LEO duties. In my unit only two of us were cops. Except for slinging a rifle, they NG troops are unprepared to perform LE duties. Sure they can stand guard, like they did in Ferguson. There they guarded the command center. They were not used as police and I never saw them doing a stomp – drag formations with bayonets fixed. The governor’s SG, is normally less trained. Many in the SG are not fit for service on the line. Mostly they are there to take the place of the NG when they are federalized and shipped overseas.
            The governor can ask the president if they can use the guard for “riot control” (martial law), security (like Ferguson) or operate support services like medical care, nuclear-biological-chemical detection and disposal.
            They sure can be in the area and could even walk the beat with the civilian police. However, I still feel being in full tactical attire is not a good thing. You can differ with me, as that is permitted here. I find the civilian cops dressed up like that for a football game is overly obnoxious. If there was a credible threat have a few guys suited up, Don’t send them on foot patrols, send conventionally dressed police officers. Carry a carbine, I don’t mind that.

          • Dave

            In that I pretty much agree with you. Yes, I was talking about the State guard. Their level of training is a different topic that I don’t want to hijack this thread over. I’ll leave that topic with the thought that if this terrorist thing gets worse then the State Guards probably should be established in all states and trained to the level of terror act response.

            Interestingly enough your response triggered a thought. Since this was a National event, it could be argued that the NatGrd could have been used as a background support force – out of sight for the most part but ready to respond with “overwhelming force and decisive maneuver” if needed. The Coast Guard/USNavy reference was merely to point out how a military agency could operate with traditional LEO embed to handle the actual “arrest” function.

            Actually, those guys were dressed for an invasion of sorts, e.g. If the islamic terrorists attacked. They weren’t dressed for the rowdy drunk or ticket scalper.

            Like you said or maybe I inferred: let’s leave law enforcement to Law Enforcement Officers and the war on terror to bonafide Warriors (even some not quite fully trained ones :-o)

            PS: Even though I try to avoid the use of the word malitia because it is so frequently used in the wrong sense as opposed to the Constitutional sense, I understood what you meant.

          • Kivaari

            You are correct about the negative perception surrounding the word “militia”. Washington state uses the term “state guard”, even though the enabling legislation is found in the “Militia Act”. I prefer that, but most states simply do not maintain an active militia. “Militia” like “patriot” have been commandeered the names and sullied the image.
            The Army National Guard is present at these events. They are an active force specialized in NBC threats. When we needed a piece of live military ordnance disposed of we called them, and the NG members of the JTTF. If it was civilian and IEDs materials we used our tech. Much of the time we used small cans (frozen orange cans) filled with Bullseye powder, as a counter charge. We had a water disrupter as well. When there was a station house coup, all the gear was transferred to a large metro police agency. Our stuff was better than the big boys. That was an issue of SRP, Small Town Politics. It struck me as a bit too corrupt, and I retired a second time.

          • Kivaari

            Sorry TFB guys, I ventured into politics, but I did write “Bullseye”.

          • Kivaari

            The active military is not used for domestic LE. The Coast Guard you should remember was department of treasury, revenue enforcers. USCG is authorized to interdict smugglers, coming or going. The National Guard can be seconded to the control of the governors, and carry civilian police along. The STATE GUARD is not the National Guard or Reserves. The SG is a STATE militia, a separate department of the military, serving under the authority of the governor. SGs can not be federalized, unlike the NG. Not all states keep an active state guard serving under the governors.
            The Navy carries civilian federal law enforcement officers. Like our DEA agents serving in Afghanistan. They can carry real expanding point ammunition, that would be verboten to soldiers. Little bits of law here and there.

      • Kivaari

        The National Guard forces have considerably less training in the use of firearms. Unless they are a MP company, they only learn the stomp – drag riot formations.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          OK well maybe I was wrong on that point but it still seems like they would want security to be a little less obvious. Just let them wear civvies with bone phones and MP-7’s under a longish coat.

          • Kivaari

            It can pay to have a few undercover cops out. Looking at the NYPD model, chances are the undercover officer will end up getting shot by the guy in uniform. That is especially so if you have 75-100+ cops on scene. Chances for blue on blue incidents goes up.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Sounds like a comms issue.

          • claymore

            HOW do you know they didn’t do just that ?

    • USMC03Vet

      Some animals are more equal than others.

    • Slovko

      Come to North Carolina. We don’t play those silly games and have a pretty decent job market as well.

    • NiteGoat

      Less paranoid and less crime-ridden.

  • Hokum

    What happened to “Picture of the Day” btw?

    • USMC03Vet

      People have to submit pictures, if they don’t, there is no POTD.

      • Hokum

        C’mon, this is probably the most popular gun blog on planet and we’re living in the instagram-century. It can’t be that absolutely no one send pics of their weapons…

        • KestrelBike

          lol we don’t want the 1-5 real commandos on this site to yell at us for our weapons with too much magpul and not enough tier-training 😛

        • USMC03Vet

          You’d probably be surprised. I send in pictures and they suck but are posted ASAP. Send some in!

      • Christian Allen

        I did.

  • anonymous

    F*** The Police State

    • K5blazer

      And who’s going to protect us from evil? You?

      • Swarf

        That’s not what s/he said.

  • pieslapper

    They look like operator wannabes on their way to operate operationally at an airsoft operation.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      I’ll be quite happy when this extremely tired troupe is done with.

    • K5blazer

      How do we not know these guys are not former military? These fellas could be fresh off a tour of duty in Afghanistan, coming home to protect their community, after protecting their country. Most LEO I know are former military, they continue to serve.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        You could be right, but drop leg harness is a give away to me 😉

        • claymore

          That is because you have never used one in the real world.

      • pieslapper

        That could very well be true, but is no reason for city cops to dress up like GI Joe.

        • claymore

          So you are scared of clothing?

  • BillC

    Low rez, cool!

  • JumpIf NotZero

    You might have a problem when Google looks at the picture of your police…. And recommends 16 images of soldiers that look like it.

    https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiutyjpMGJcqD53eH06rCjYMv_1Zog6b95DlvLjcXbe4NOYD4Y9_1GSj7qHv5jI9rD7l-OiWQF1q4kBnnfc8kKM0V8yPJWp0Ug6cihElRaAtFbeRAKY-Q3R8sjdMJJD7kABsGsRnDUa-CulNMeiJIUdncVI3XyLF3064GKlpQWSU9sDzUfWKLTDU7aTUqlWGDd9YDKaP8ZHdJXOHHkmuDSKrthQz-rFVwAGEBtiHvy-tJqx–UJzior_1oDNr3H93avs4cBvAMmCqBHtPfR0XMsj8849uMqjMWKtuJvyQ8ZMkMqfIDsA3CDI0SQoE6gtoLIY2EJtReCLtoKagEmetE-_1zWKQ6Y_1_10zcyP4pZlDy1B6IMW1fdoCDnZ-9uLvA88ZbS4KntZ3OeFS85PusiTzLPPqVq2iw8aZj0g3Kye5csH0aT0jfNNWJhr-_1rf2vTPy12xLK-0tlB_12RqgLR2shAWXrmdiGSdx9wGnLyMKmswFy5pFrevEwBofHa7uVD_1_1D6Ncp4YbGmn3taZ7QCxxdQ2HhsHoWEta8Izxsd1lHMszhkgDO-goBEwmHdWGrZykw7kBJnjRVlm-VeboQWqTNH1IU-OHlGW4Zh4dauL2AFSWHiANqUFluoU4_12B9TFaYoZHJ1eQ6JZ082Q6EQmAePKCnJnam1ZXBczVlZ85JgwdTXDKVXIx-DXqx00WnUFD3R8KwPVMgrFT0PY0oImbcC5DRs0rwj5DUYlNtmQL5exgTAkbh2KpzQHC7MYo8K2LfqgUTnAl02ATufbkeFF0VSEuPW8DHNhTHKXZND7vT4z514nlaNNmqTTshAu4cG_1QlHn0c75oqfe7tVCYt3AA7oEmxc8YbxiMdAFOryQGv6Uew6bTwz2krJzijoJuZmZUQkHKgb-t3TNbYxvS-Aj01GkG2ci1sV2JRwj5OT5U8z4O7Ob8UmpVMD409N_1YpmIydD_1jb8g68ybqp7vNaf0ycPL4-ABUzMzkjkj687KP6ehASYGynSdwvG9bGRbUbPrWog0hwKkEiSxRe1g2Lr4KQEWUpvnFsLsmr4474VzZERaPVleXu6Q2zmIjAi15qFZ9deYcrsD9HTpEWCp-SNZF8YWE6MIXpcWtg_1zx_12INJgnzxJsTh_1MOA5daLDqYdT1gRpv9Vz8QeJav9UxuHRJXpxBtMuExw41uMHYT4xf7Gz-uG34ZUQRgCHlkDiyJxhavxPcPk5fvVjk96aLhOqRsd_11Q2Z8aOR9QIwIgC-fm6M-63oeC4NO1nU1uCV0YOtQUB6BHfSULxDMdmcGMo2ovW_1JC7caR4Go4md-IV27pts8i1vgZy0iMoncqeVaFsPVPFSA0IJlhmvgUF-j1Fi46pjvISiyV9uykVaDA8uyocUwffb3XLY89KQr47LynFPKsTk_1cN5eODqchBMtqXqexm_1fH4uUzZdUc7WepHXIQCwblcp9Dut2f_17g843phxZtLRlfwaq5LJtQ8NmuLLQXLV4gXx9YKEmPVI7kAbxvdnsrJ7Lko-zxj_11mdwnSQOn7bOI-tQoUYIUSDKrZyJ-y_1aL5-htmCRzfkA&hl=en&biw=1963&bih=1021&site=search&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjR8JeVh_vKAhXGg4MKHZeiAoAQ9Q8IGCgA

  • JumpIf NotZero

    SOCOM 1, not 2. The left one anyhow. Can’t tell at the angle mini or fullsize -RC, and I own the RC. Bad photo. The right is either the last gen mount, or just a fuzzy weird angle of the socom with the latch being prominent.

    Lol, drop leg holsters… I can tell at least two of them are clowns that have no business dressing up as soldiers.

    • Bill

      Where did you do your SWAT Basic at?

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Hurr derp.

        I’m so sorry my owning a couple socoms upsets you.

        100% honest. I’ve trained with two SWAT groups in two different states. I hope that further annoys you.

        • Bill

          So you’ve never been there even the basic level training, or actually served on a team? It doesn’t annoy me at all, the internet is full of “experts,” just ask them.

        • claymore

          So you have still not suited up for real right. Go on keep telling us how you trained them. BTW where did you get the training to train them?

  • SP mclaughlin

    Honestly I think given that they should be ready for potential ISIS snackbars I don’t see whats wrong if they pack serious heat for an even like the Superbowl.
    Hopefully these aren’t what the everyday Santa Clara PD dress like.

  • Trump 2016

    They should be on the border guarding the country instead of the rich who looted the middle class and moved our factories out of the country. They don’t make me feel “safe”.

  • Kivaari

    I would think being in a proper uniform would be more important than being kitted up like a SWAT team. I have no objection to wearing SWAT gear for a SWAT call up. Having heavier body armor and helmets nearby. Not worrying about ruining a good uniform should carry the day. The biggest worry many of us had was if we ruined our uniform we had to buy a new one. With the department furnishing them, don’t worry about crawling around in them if the need arises. WE don’t need to be ready for war to that level for a football game. If you are really concerned then carry an M4 in a polite manner.

  • Bill

    Great Caesar’s Ghost people, these events are the classic example of a “soft target,” with high iconic value. Who’d a thunk that seeing the midnight premiere of a Batman movie would require every ambulance in 3 counties? Look up the date that the book “Black Sunday” was first published. One nitwit inspired by ISIS with a knife could make quite a mess. If 5 of them tried to get through the security checkpoints, and 1 got through, that’s all it would take. Remember the cliche – “They have to be lucky once, we have to be lucky all the time?” Prepositioning assets is how you make luck. How many of you wouldn’t carry there given the opportunity?

    • Kivaari

      It should not be done in this fashion. Preparedness is key to these things, but we have to temper that with some common sense and courtesy. Dress like conventional patrol officers, and make sure each officer wears body armor. Add an M4 carbine and some less-lethal shotguns with rubber baton. Just don’t strut around like soldiers.

      • Bill

        I’m positive that the venue and surrounding area was flooded with “normal” uniforms, plainclothes locals, counties and feds, EOD, K9s Air, days off canceled, etc, etc. You may not “like” the SWATTERS being there, but what about the average attendee?

        • Kivaari

          I don’t know what the average attendee thought. The only time we suited up was for stakeouts. We did not have a SWAT team, having to rely on the multi-agency team. We didn’t have enough people to simply control traffic around a scene.

  • Matt L.

    This just looks… goofy to me.

    Why not wear a nice navy blue polo with some tan 5.11s, and ditch the helmets for a low-profile mic and earpiece setup? Even with the rifles, sidearms, and plate carriers, I think that would look a hell of a lot sharper and more officer-like.

    • FarmerB

      Yeah – I can understand people might want to have a discussion about militarization – but those guys just don’t scare me at all. And it’s not jealousy, trust me. In fact, with the micky mouse customizations, they just look a bit goofy.

  • Ryan Snow

    Eotechs yuck

  • OBlamo Binlyen

    I wish to file a protest. They have 30 round magazines and removable magazines. We al know that they can fire 30clips per second and commit mass killings.

  • Ok here is a photo of myself behind a Browning 50 cal and I’m wearing a regular uniform. Is that better than the SWAT gear and M4s?
    Seriously it’s staged photo at the police range. The sign says speed limit strictly enforced. Yes we shot the ma deuce a bit later. The 50 belonged to the US Coast Guard not the PD.

    • Cops R US Occupation Force

      Belonged to the Coast Guard? How do cops get guns from the Coast Guard?

      • Xanderbach

        Mixed force training. We let the CT State Police play with an M-60 and a MK-19 grenade launcher. Doesn’t mean they actually got to use them, just pull the trigger and go “ooh.” We did the same thing at state holidays with civilians, just no live rounds.

      • We don’t it did belong to the Coast Guard. They used our range to shoot the 50 because the berm must be at least 18 feet thick and hours was. When we got through shooting they packed up and took the fun toys with them.

    • Ben Pottinger

      Yes it’s better. I like the image someone posted above of the UK cops with subguns. They looked like cops yet were wearing body armor and had shoulder weapons.

      They should actively avoid looking or acting like solders unless the situation is dire in which case it doesnt really matter, just get the job done. Alot of us are opposed to the “freedoms” LE has been given during the never ending war on drugs. We are not ok with no-knock warrants, bashing in doors and zipcuffing everyone in sight. And now thanks to that leway we are seeing idiotic things like “SWATTING”, which never should have been able to become a “thing”.

      Police should be held to the same laws civilians are held to. If swat can get a flashbang, we should get flashbang, if they can have subguns we can have subguns, etc etc. Of the people for the people.

      I really really want a flashbang. Lol. If I was a sick kid (I’m only one of those things) my make a wish request would be to Crack off some flashbangs. lol.

      • K5blazer

        Please give us an example where law enforcement is using no knock warrants and zip tying up law abiding citizens? If that happens, the department/county government gets sued for millions of dollars. Law Enforcement is held to the same laws as civilians, name one that they don’t. Civilians can also get the same weapons and hardware as police departments as long as you don’t live in a liberal state or county. All have to go through the same federal ATF NFA paper work.

        • Ben Pottinger

          That’s not true. Your welcome to submit a form 1 for a machine gun but it will be denied. The police can buy a newly manufactured machine gun at normal retail prices (say 1200$ for a real HK made MP5) and you can only buy one manufactured before 1986 thanks to the Hughes amendment and even then only if it’s US made. If it’s foreign made you’d be limited to one imported before 1968.

          When it comes to NFA firearms regular citizens are second or third class compared to what the PDs can and do purchase and use on a daily basis.

          As for knocking in doors and zip tying people, thanks to the magic of helmet and body cameras you can find plenty of video of innocent people having their house raided and being cuffed/zip tied. Once they figure out they got the wrong place or it was bad Intel the owners get an “oops, sorry” if their lucky.

      • The_Champ

        So police have emergency lights and sirens on their vehicles, therefore you should be allowed to have them too?

      • We are subject to the same criminal statutes as anyone else.

        • Cymond

          To a degree yes, but also to a degree no.

          I’ve seen dash cam footage of police doing things that would get a civilian arrested.

          During a traffic stop, the driver attempted to flee (drive away). One officer jumped on the hood while the other pusued by car. The officer on the hood, realizing he couldn’t stay there, killed the driver. In short, the cop did something idiotic, which was used as justification for killing the driver.

          Or how about those NYPD cops who shot at a mentally unstable (unarmed) man, missed him, hit two civilians, and then arrested the unarmed man for shooting the civilians? Has a civilian ever been treated anything like that? I’ve always heard that I am responsible for every shot I fire.

          mobile.nytimes dot com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html?_r=0&referer=

          There have been several cases of cops breaking down the wrong door and raiding the wrong homes. How many of those officers were arrested?

          I ask you, what civilian could behave like this and go free without arrest?

          http://www.foxnews dot com/story/2007/12/18/minneapolis-swat-team-raids-wrong-house.html

          These guys actually got medals for bravery while raising the wrong house http://abcnews.go dot com/TheLaw/story?id=5484185&page=1

          This one made national news because the police raided the Mayor’s home. It’s certainly easier to seek social justice when you have political connections, rather than just a nameless nobody. http://www.washingtonpost dot com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003299.html

          Here, the police shot a man 16 times in his bed because he was reaching for a flash light. They claimed he was reaching for a gun. No gun was found in the area. All charges against the officers were dropped. http://www.policebrutality dot info/2013/01/washington-cops-shoot-man-16-times-in-his-bed.html

          Here’s some more

          http://www.theblaze dot com/stories/2013/07/27/police-shoot-dead-grandfather-72-while-searching-the-wrong-home-for-burglar-blame-poor-lighting/

          http://abcnews.go dot com/US/story?id=95475&page=1

          http://m.nydailynews dot com/news/crime/officer-homeowner-shot-police-wrong-home-police-article-1.2343862

          http://www.courthousenews dot com/2009/09/23/Family_Says_911_Tape_Caught_Cops_Planning_Cover-Up_After_Shooting.htm?=protectandserve

          http://www.wesh dot com/news/central-florida/Deputies-shoot-kill-man-after-knocking-on-wrong-door/-/11788162/15527202/-/euk6tg/-/index.html

          http://www.freerepublic dot com/focus/news/2657790/posts

          http://www.syracuse dot com/us-news/index.ssf/2015/08/massachusetts_swat_team_raids_wrong_home_makes_woman_wait_naked_for_10_minutes.html#incart_m-rpt-1

          I actually couldn’t find the one famous case I was looking for. In that case, the police broke into the wrong home in the middle of the night and killed a man. They shot him something like 23 times. They claimed that he opened fire on them and that they were acting in self-defense. It was later revealed that his carbine was fully loaded and the safety was still on. They literally shot him 23 times before he could get the safety off. (As is often the case in these wrong-house-raids, the homeowner thought it was a criminal home invasion and was acting accordingly. That’s what startled people do when awoken at 0-dark-thirty in the morning by armed men storming into their home).

          Those are what I found just by googling phrases like “cops wrong house”. There have been many more incidents. Again, I ask you, what civilian could behave like this and go free without arrest?

          • K5blazer

            It’s funny when Police do something wrong it’s highly publicize and then arm chair quarter backed to death.

            Then you have the career criminal that terrorize, rob, rape, and murder innocent people and it may get 10 secs of air time maybe.

            There are bad apples in every walk of life, that’s why we should deal with it on an individual basis not Law Enforcement as a whole.

            That’s painting everyone with a negative brush because of one individual. That’s what these so called activist are preaching out against and yet they do the same thing towards Police.

            I challenge anyone that has a negative view on police, do a ride along, sign up for a lethal force encounter simulator, if your local government has it enroll into the citizens police academy, then after that is done post away on these message boards.

            Don’t be a part of the problem be a solution.

    • Dave

      Just to inject a little humor in this tense forum: Man that’s an old car 😱

      • Yes indeed it is an 89 or 90 I think it was. The last one before I retired was a Dodge with the small Hemi. The town I’m in now has SUVs—yuck!

    • Bill

      Those Caprices were pooches, but I think I still have an old Streethawk in my basement. They were great lightbars, and easily knocked 15 MPH off your top speed.

  • Bob

    Call me weird, but I don’t get why cops wearing helmets and carrying ARs is so much scarier than cops with just the usual body armor and couple of pistols. I mean, do you think they’re going to suddenly spray down the crowd? Do you feel bigger guns make them more violent? Will you be more dead if they decide to shoot you off their sights with the AR instead of the Glock? Maybe I just don’t get it, but the fact that the cops almost always have the edge in firepower over me makes me relatively unconcerned as to the exact amount of edge. I don’t plan on tangling with them regardless.

    • Bob

      Additional: It often seems like people are just offended at seeing evil weapons of death to me rather than any rational fear that said weapons are actually going to be employed. Guess it is a good thing they aren’t carrying 1911s, those threatening cocked hammers on top of the ARs would be just too much. ;D

  • Matt

    Looks like the guy in the center has a small police metal badge on his right leg.
    Pity the stadium does not have a parking lot for M1 Abrams…

  • Christian Allen

    It IS possible to be ready and still resemble put-together police officers.

    • Nicks87

      MP5s make way more sense in a crowded area as well.

    • Bill

      What you don’t see is Brit .mil SAS troopers kitted out and lurking in vans, rooftops, or wearing really baggy overcoats. You’d also be stunned at the amount of training that armed response officers in the UK get. they don’t hand those MP5s out to just any copper.

  • phauxtoe

    Obivoisly that great? State is Not anti gun, just Anti Gun for the common Serfs!

  • Pontificant

    All of the success America has had bringing “Freedom” to the rest of world and we don’t want that “Freedom” here? What? Are we hypocrites? Come on, Folks! I think we need a little more “Freedom”! I want M1 tanks on the streets, Apaches and drones overhead and two to three people listening and judging every single word we say on the phone! “FREEDOM!”

    It’s for our own good! We know we want this “Freedom” deep down, inside; I mean, if we aren’t doing anything wrong, we have nothing to fear. Right? I, for one, welcome our new Overlords! Yes, they are our friends! They will feed us and clothe us and tell us we are good little boys and girls and maybe we’ll get Gold Stars, Participation Ribbons and a cookie or two! Oh-Boy!

    Maybe, we can dress up like our new Overlord defacto heroes? Maybe we could wear the same gear and perhaps practice with the same arms and equipment? You know, just so we can be like them! And you know, maybe we can help them, by observing via cameras and stingray units what they do? You know, to come to their aid when they are in trouble! Perhaps, we could install those cameras in their offices, in order to watch what they do and come to their aid, should they fall down or have other health problems. Maybe, we should have a database of their addresses, so we can come by and check on them and make sure they are safe from those people who may want to hurt them? Maybe we should carry the same gear to sporting events and watch over the watchers, you know… In order to help them… I mean, if they aren’t doing anything wrong, shouldn’t we be there to help? It only seems fair.

  • StBernardnot

    GI Joes! (spits)

  • MySpin1776

    Good thing Claire McCaskill wasn’t there, she would have pitched one hell of a hissy fit.

  • stu gotz

    Welcome to the Police State. Your papers, please!

  • John Brunk

    I’m off my medication, so I have a ‘need’ to try and ‘piss someone off’; so let’s get right to the task at hand!

    It amazed me that so many “law abiding gun owners” were (are) obviously REALLY UPSET over the three “officers” standing in the open – prepared to do whatever they might need to do if they are needed in response to one or more scumbag whose only intent would be “less than honorable”! Gimme a break people! Those guys in the photo might be a bit over the top, but they ARE ‘POLICE OFFICERS’ – at least until such time they can be proven to be otherwise.

    Those in charge explained it this way:

    “Heavily armed SOLDIERS backed up by ARMORED VEHICLES ringed an imposing security perimeter around (AS IN OUTSIDE) the state-of-the-art stadium in Silicon Valley”. WHY? It was because in France those attacks included “…the detonation of a suicide vest outside a soccer match”. So, it’s established that “…those OUTSIDE were ‘military’. NEED MORE? OK then, “Overhead Black Hawk helicopters circled while Air Force fighter jets enforced a no fly zone.”

    I do not know of ANY police department that runs around in Black Hawk helicopters OR fighter jets and they sure don’t establish NO FLY ZONES. One thing for certain the MILITARY had the OUTSIDE well covered.

    Beyond the uniformed law enforcement officials dotting the streets to control traffic and monitor crowds, among other efforts, David Johnson said there is a significant amount of officers working undercover to fight crime as well.

    He said a “vast majority” of the FBI’s efforts will not be visible to most, but the public can rest assured knowing federal officials are working to ensure their safety.

    Beyond the boots on the ground of law enforcement officers in San Francisco and Santa Clara, agencies are collaborating to provide heightened security at the Bay Area’s airport, rail lines, sea ports and other forms of public transportation as well, said Jeh Johnson.

    Special teams focusing on counterterrorism, cybersecurity, immigration control, explosives detection, human trafficking and other detailed efforts have been brought into the Bay Area for Super Bowl week as well, according to a media guide.

    “INSIDE the security ring, bomb-sniffing dogs and law enforcement officers (POLICE) patrolled the complex while fans entering the stadium faced airport style security, passing through metal detectors and pat downs.”

    • Bill

      Butbutbutbutbut they have stuff that other people don’t have, it’s just not fair that while engaged in crime prevention and counter-extremist violence prevention they have cooler toys than Joe Schmoe.

      People also conveniently forget that the cops don’t get to leave when things get bad.

      • pieslapper

        Except in New Orleans

  • BR549

    The very latest in paramilitary fashion accessories. The next thing these clowns will be doing is twirling and swishing in lavender camo.

  • Mark Apsolon

    WOW these are illegal for any civi in California to possess. Why does LE have them? If a civi cant have it law enforcement should not have access either. That would be fair treatment. I’d hate to live in California all my firearms would be illegal in that god awful liberty hating state.

  • Are We Really Free?

    Since when do security guards need M4’s? It is scary that it is cheaper for a department to throw fancy tactical gear at their officers rather than train them. If a “terrorist” were to start shooting, ONE trained officer using ONE single bullet from a sidearm would do far less collateral damage than a volley of strays from tactical assault rifles. It is a disgrace that the public didn’t approach these “security guards” and shame them for being dressed up like paramilitary soldiers. The fact that the author of this article even says they’re “rocking” M4’s is sad. Making it seem cool that they are going way overboard in their position. As a member of the public, I would feel more uncomfortable if I saw them guarding the facility than at ease. What ever happened to an officer in uniform (standard dress uniform) with a sidearm, pepper spray and cuffs being enough? There is absolutely NO excuse for this! All law enforcement has seen a dramatic militarization over the last 10-15 years. To what end? It gets the general public desensitized to seeing “military guards” at every turn. Gee maybe the public that came to watch the game should have showed dress exactly the same. Sadly, they would have been hauled away in chains.

    • NofDen

      ” Since when do security guards need M4’s?”
      When dealing with muslims, druggies and libtards.
      Did seeing these Policeman there like this, have a confidence factor to the fans?

    • K5blazer

      Lol, first off they are trained SWAT LEO, years of training goes into being able just to apply. Second, how do we not know they don’t have frangibal rounds? So if a terrorist/mental person comes in the SB with an AK47 these guys are suppose to respond with a Glock 17 9mm or 22 .40 and soft body armor? Of course in a perfect world we wouldn’t even need Police or guns, that would be utopia right but guess what, IDK if you haven’t heard the news, terrorist arnt using water guns. So lets say an attack happens at the SB, hold on let me go back to my patrol car, put on my armor, helment, and unlock my AR from the patrol tack, load my mags, and come back and fight fire with fire, hold on im sorry 20 people died before I could gear up. Sheepol are clueless, how about all LEO take a day off, just one day, and lets see what happens.

  • pismopal

    Armd to the teeth to protect us against people who should not be here in the first place…bizarre.

  • Ken

    LOL at “police” in America. Those are not police by any stretch of the imagination.

    • K5blazer

      What is your definition of “police”?

  • NofDen

    Hats off to our Policeman. Having to deal with all the garbage drugs and ignorant idiots can think of.

    Including muslim bombers and mexican gangs. Many Officers face this stuff daily. Can you imagine fighting a war everyday for years and years?

    • It does take it’s toll over the years. You know what officers call heart disease. Police disease. It gets hard on the body over the years.

  • Ratcraft

    Why the large capacity clips? No one needs those or those assault guns. Buy a shotgun guys, buy a shotgun. Just set off a blast into the air and all the terrorists will run away. Buy a double barrel shotgun.

    • Bill

      Seriously? Clips? Warning shots? Go back to Dragnet, Doofus.

      • Mael99

        I do believe he’s being sarcastic and channeling Joe Biden’s single brain cell. At least I hope so.

      • Ratcraft

        Obviously your sense of humor needs work…. maybe you need a ghost gun, one with a 30 bullet round magazine clip assault gun. One capable of 50 rounds in 1/2 a second.

    • Squirreltakular

      The police should never have access to anything that the citizenry do not have access to. Turn in your standard-capacity mags and your suppressors, please, officers. Then make sure those bullet buttons are tightly affixed. Have a nice day.

      Oh, and those better not be select-fire.

  • Phillip Cooper

    Just what we need… VolksPolizei…

  • claymore

    You people crack me up complaining about how they LOOK LOL. Did they go on a rampage and shoot up the place nope, all they are doing is standing post and no specifics of where the photo was shot are given so you are ranting about an UNKNOWN.

    Some people would complain about police no matter what they do. The same ones ranting today would be the first ones to complain with the laughable meme “when seconds count police are minutes away.” God forbid there was any “incident” and the only police on scene were officers in uniform carrying side arms you people would be screaming “WHERE WERE THE POLICE WHEN YOU NEED THEM????”

    Well this time they were right there and you still rant because you are afraid of their choice of uniform. Police aren’t mind readers knowing in advance what is going to happen, where or when something would happen so based on intelligence, THEY have and nobody on this board had, they posted their men where they thought they would do the most good BASED ON INTELLIGENCE THEY HAD. And it worked out there were no incidents and nobody was attacked by police choice of CLOTHING.

    • K5blazer

      Also was their an attack at the super bowl? Nope, job well done to all the men and women in uniform.

  • Mikial

    I’m glad to see them on the job and prepared for anything. The days when an officer could respond to a call with nothing but his pistol and baton, or sit in his car in a quiet spot without having to worry about being shot are long gone. We expect these people to put their lives on the line for us and to protect large gatherings like this, then why should we criticize them for being well equipped enough to do so?

  • Now why would you say that?

  • Dave

    You know, like me prior military, I’m sure you support our law enforcement officers 100%, however, the militarization of the police departments is going way too far. I realize that the threat has evolved and that with the terroristic P’sOS, the LEO community needs protection but I think the protection needs to come from different organizations than the police departments. This militarization creates distrust from the very people they are there to “serve and protect”. The LEO community is there to maintain order and enforce laws as they are written. That is where the grey area is. On one hand, the militarization can be justified by saying that they need it to protect the population but on the other hand, the militarization is causing the fear and force escalation among the very people they are trying to protect.

    I feel like the police forces should roll back their role to the friendly ‘cop on the beat’ persona that helped create the image which millions of kids wanted to emulate. And I feel like we need to utilize the Guard to serve as the militaristic element in the war on terrorism. I realize we have the Posse Comitatus Act however there are ways to comply with that as evidenced by the anti-drug smuggling operations where you have Coast Guard and Navy folks hunting the smugglers but they have regular LEO type folks embedded with them to actually make arrests.

    This whole topic is a slippery slope and when you have LEO departments selectively enforcing laws based upon political agendas, we are in a bad place. In case anyone wants to challenge my last statement, just think about sanctuary cities; selective drug enforcement and selective immigration enforcement.

    We have to stop our headlong rush into a bad place and return to a condition that this Republic was formed for.

    • Kivaari

      I do not want the military involved in civilian LE. The “Guard” I assume is the National Guard-Reserves. Those people do not have adequate training to conduct civilian LE duties. Regarding sanctuary cities, they just need to go away. Cops do need to have the ability to suit up at the right time and place.
      Cops need to have the heavier gear in their patrol cars. Militarization has its place. I do not want to see SWAT go away, just not over used. What used to take 2 officers to do, like serve a warrant, now has 15 combat ready officers.

      • Dave

        No, it’s not the National Guard, only the State Guard (no disrespect to them). The State Guard only reports to the state governor and are not professional military. These guys are the “well-regulated malitia” (I hate that the word malitia conjures up thoughts of the more radical “folks” on the fringes) as spoken about in the Bill of Rights and Constitution.

        The other thing that I included in some answers to other guys in this string is that official Law Enforcement Officers are embedded with the State Guard (or National Guard or Active Duty Regular or Reserve military). It has been used successfully in many operations including the maritime drug interdiction efforts, anti-piracy efforts, FBI investigations throughout the Near and Middle East and others.

        I agree that LEO’s have to have a central role in these situations but I personally would rather have Police Officers be police officers and professional Warfighters be militarized.

        I know things have gotten a lot tougher on you guys but I believe that our politician and lawyer situation has fostered more flagrant criminals. I know this is a pipe dream but if we started public hangings/firing squads, Chain Gangs and etc. to truly create a deterrent to crime, it will never change. Prisons now a days are either luxury retreats or breeding grounds for more hardened criminals. When I was growing up in Texas, I saw plenty of chain gangs. Maybe I’m just a dinosaur.

        • Kivaari

          You are about the only one I’ve encountered that knows about the State Guard (Militia). It’s been nearly 30 year since I talked with the Washington State Guard General. The SG was intended to be used to maintain the NG Armories after the NG were federalized. The use of NG and reserves did involve putting local, state and DEA agents aboard the chopper or boat. USCG were always part of the law enforcement crowd, being a LE element of the Dept. of Treasury. Now the Homeland Security is the blanket for LE.
          Then the other militia under USC, is waiting to be called to service, which today is unlikely. In a disaster man made or otherwise, each state has legislation allowing the counties and cities to mobilize the citizens to perform duties needed at the time.
          It is unfortunate that all the states do not keep the state militias operating. I understand Texas issued a belt and hat to members. Washington state issued M16A1s and M60s and maybe more today.
          Many places use a form of chain gang. We see them picking up litter, cutting firewood to be donated to old folks, and working on parks and trails.

  • The_Champ

    Thankfully a bunch of commenters here stood up and defended law enforcement. Comments were looking pretty grim off the start.

    So what is it that so smacks of militarization in this photo to some people? Green uniforms or long guns? If you were tasked with being a rapid responder to an active shooter in an event like this, how exactly would you kit yourself out? Would you put yourself at a disadvantage in a gunfight in the name of looking ‘proper’?

    And how is this something new? Someone already posted some great historical photos showing that it isn’t. Recall LE in the 1920s was shooting it out with gangsters using the latest high tech firearms, BARs and Tommyguns, ripped right out of the trenches of WWI. Would you expect any less when their opposition was equally well armed?

  • Dave

    Maybe this could be an example of a better way:

    The Coast Guard officially established the Law Enforcement Detachment program in 1982. The first LEDETs operated directly under Coast Guard groups and districts, where they served as law enforcement specialists, conducting training and local operations. In 1986, Public Law (P.L.) 99-570 specifically authorized the establishment of billets for active duty Coast Guard personnel to carry out drug interdiction operations from naval surface vessels provided by the Department of Defense (DoD). Since the Posse Comitatus Act and department policy strictly prohibit Department of Defense personnel from directly engaging in law enforcement activities, LEDETs were tasked with operating aboard United States Navy (USN) ships to investigate contacts and conduct boardings in accordance with Coast Guard policy and directives. In accordance with P.L. 99-570, LEDETs were to deploy aboard U.S. Navy “ships of opportunity”, transiting or operating in areas frequently used by illegal drug traffickers. In 1988, P.L. 100-456 made it a requirement that Coast Guard law enforcement personnel be assigned to each appropriate Navy surface vessel that transits a drug interdiction area.[3]

    • Bill

      FWIW, the US Secret Service is the lead agency for events of national significance, and essentially run the larger show. Technically, since the USCG fell under DHS in 2003, it’s already a “civilian” LE agency. There are also a herd of DEA agents in Afghanistan, trying to decide whether they should burn poppy fields or let them grow.

      • NofDen

        They should burn the fields, but put some libtards in the field so it will burn
        better.

  • Bill

    *Sigh* Another interweb lawyer: SCOTUS ruled that the police don’t have an INDIVIDUAL duty to any particular person to prevent them from being the victim of a crime. If there’s an active killer running amok and I decide that it’s time to clock out, my agency is going to toss me for dereliction of duty, misfeasance and maybe malfeasance just for good measure, and any victim’s NOK are going to be enjoying the summer on my boat, in my house, driving my truck, while I’m living in a cardboard box under a bridge. Unless I’m in jail, because in a number of jurisdictions dereliction by a public officer is a crime.

    Actually read DeShaney, Warren and Gonzalez sometime. It would be the moral and ethical thing to do, plus it would’ve saved you from being wrong.

  • David169

    Many times the police do things that do not make sense. I am reminded of a short video from the “Guy from Brooklyn” As he entered Yankee Stadium everyone was frisked for knives, large keys, nail clippers etc. for safety. Once inside because it was bat day everyone was given a new baseball bat.

    • claymore

      And that was the police fault? Howe about putting the blame where is belonged on the stadium MANAGEMENT?

  • Jim Jones

    And people make fun of mall ninjas? That’s a trio of mall ninjas if I have ever seen one. Those boys clearly do not have much time behind a trigger, and they certainly don’t inspire confidence. Methinks their department got too much federal grant money to buy retiring army toys, because that’s exactly what they look like; boys with toys.

    • claymore

      And you deduced this just from a photo. priceless just priceless

  • Kivaari

    Police do not owe individuals anything. Police most times will do their best to aid the folks. Running to the gunfire, is not unusual for people having the sheepdog characteristic.

  • codfilet

    So many people on this site like military-style rifles,they won’t even look at a wood-stocked rifle, but they don’t want the police to have the same military rifles? Maybe cops should only have Winchester 94s or something?

  • davidio flavio

    So would any of the popo here or their badge licking supporters have any issues if me and two of my friends came to a super bowl (in a free state of course) wearing similar gear and carrying similar weapons?

    Would you respect our civil and legal rights? Let US walk around without stopping us? No asking for ID, or “Why are you here and dressed like that” questions?

    I somehow doubt your response would be that you would allow it without question, even if we were completely 100 percent legal.

    Why? Because you wouldn’t trust us.

    Well guess what? We don’t trust you anymore either.

    Not when videos keep surfacing of savage beatings, questionable tactics, outright abuse of our civil rights or just plain murder when a man running away is shot in the back, then evidence is moved to make the shooting seem justified.

    I saw here the idea that cops should take the day off. My thought? At least I wouldn’t have to worry about being shot by an overzealous cop, if I used a weapon to defend myself and the responding cop decided to do a Tamir Rice on me.

    Sure I know you aren’t all bad, but neither are we, but if I commit a cime I go to jail, and you get two weeks paid vacation, unless of course some civilian tapes you doing it, or your body cam just happens not to work at the moment.

    Or worse there is no indictment at all, when we all watched a cop draw his gun and shoot a 12 year old child two seconds after exiting his vehicle.

    No justice, no peace, and I am a conservative white guy, but I’m also not blind.

  • claymore

    Awesome reply good work sir.

  • Kevin Dole

    The only thing I see here that bothers me is the shades and the NOD mounts. Particularly if they don’t have and/or practice with the NODs. But to me, shades are just rude when you’re talking to me, you’re refusing to look me in the eye. But carbines? No kidding, I want a carbine, that is a big venue and I would want something that shoots flatter than an SMG. If they were wearing all tactical black, people would be whining they look like the SS.

    My bigger question is, why the various furniture. Part of me wonders if these guys got the leftovers that were on the rack when the real full time SWAT officers drew their weapons, and they are just there to be the obvious show of force and thus a kind of decoy.

  • Kivaari

    I didn’t get how they work. It says no powder or magnesium and similar stuff was used. Just nitro-cellulous which is what gun powders have. I wonder why they call it 20mm, when 12 Ga. is
    18.5 mm.

  • John

    Honestly, they look silly. If they’re cops, they should have been dressed in police uniforms underneath the body armor. The green one-sies make them look like military or actors posing for an event. POLICE should have been written across their chest and back in white letters on top of the armor.

    Also, what’s the point of carrying around chest pouches and MOLLE
    webbing if you’re just going to wear a fully loaded duty belt? It makes you look like you don’t know what you’re doing.

    And I don’t see badges with numbers anywhere on them.

    The helmets are a bit of overkill, and frankly don’t look like SWAT gear, riot gear or anything related to law enforcement, particularly with those night vision mounts on their foreheads. Body cams can also be mounted on their shoulders just fine.

    The suppressors on two, but not all, of their guns makes them look like they spent a bunch of money and have no idea what they’re doing, which is NOT the impression you want to give a bunch of drunk and rowdy fans at a sporting event.
    Two of them could have been carrying shotguns, met their primary arm
    needs perfectly well (that they didn’t actually need) and reinforced that they were police.

    This is just dumb.

    • Kivaari

      The green is fine for SWAT. Green or camo makes the best uniform for getting down and dirty. But, in these settings they should have conventional uniforms in daily use by the respective agencies. Locally, we had the sheriff’s K-9 officers in gear suitable for running through the brush. The city K9 guys wore a Navy Blue suit. But, they looked like cops.
      The comm helmets are good. They do look out of place for being a guard at a sporting event.