[SHOT 2016] What’s NOT At Remington

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Remington, America’s oldest gun company, and also several of its newest, since the Freedom Group consolidation, had a massive presence at the 2016 SHOT Show. Its booth was seemingly an avatar incarnated of the true nature of the company itself: A conglomerate of multiple booths collected into one sprawling location, with distinct and sometimes disharmonious personalities.

In fact, I liked the Remington booth this year quite a lot more than their previous, as smack dab in the center was a mini-museum of Remington’s history, with significant firearms the company has produced throughout history represented by physical examples right there at the show. Given the company’s ongoing struggle to find a buyer in the face of threatened orphanry, a museum of all the company’s accomplishments could be seen, I guess, as a desperate plea for relevance, but although that thought did occur to me, I felt the central exhibit was well-executed and poignant, especially because 2016 marks Remington’s 200th year in business.

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Now here’s a rifle near and dear to my heart: The Remington-made M1903A3 Springfield. These served mostly as home guard rifles during WWII, and also as the platform for the famous M1903A4 sniper rifle. I own a rifle that looks almost exactly like this one.

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In the center of the mini-museum were more exhibits:

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Hey, cool, it’s an M1885 “Navy” Remington-Lee! One of my favorite guns of all time! Weird, its placard seems to be knocked over, wonder what it says…

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Oh, that’s why.

There were some… Interesting absences at the Remington booth, for example:

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Huh. There are no R51s there. Maybe on the other side?

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Nope! Not a single R51 was present at the Remington booth in 2016. I asked a representative why, and his answer was disappointing, but – I thought – very sober: “We don’t want to show it again until it’s ready. It’ll be done when it’s done.” Funnily, there was an original Model 51 represented in the mini-museum (but alas I did not get photos of it).

But that wasn’t the only gun leaving a conspicuous absence: While the Bushmaster section of the Remington booth had several ACRs…

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There is one ACR missing, as someone was playing with it at the time. The ACR is an excellent weapon if you are bored and want something to fiddle with, certainly.

…The Remington Defense section, which usually shows off the hottest new prototypes, was totally bereft of that rifle.

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Also missing entirely from the Remington booth was the R5, Remington’s piston-operated AR-15 variant. I asked a Remington Defense representative why these two guns were missing, and he said that neither had received any real interest, because both of them were too expensive to be competitive. In his words, regarding the R5 in particular “The HK416 is a fine rifle, but it’s pretty expensive. The R5 was twice the cost of an HK416, and nobody was willing to pay that much for a rifle.” According to the representative, development of both those weapons has ceased, and Remington is focusing on other projects.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • DW

    How the hell did R5 manage to be 2x as expensive as the 416?

    • Steve Truffer

      You’re talking about a company that manages to make a box of FMJ .32 cost $28, when we can get European ammo shipped in for $13, and they don’t glue the box shut, get glue on the ammo, or GLUE THE AMMO TRAY INTO THE BOX.

  • SD

    This is how out of touch Remington Defense is. They think everything they touch is worth $4K. Market the rifles to civilians(the RemDef ACR in particular), bring them in at a reasonable price point, and people would buy them. All the criticisms people had on the Bushmaster version were corrected and improved upon in the RemDef version. How tone deaf can they be?

  • KestrelBike

    Regarding the ACR: Remington, you dicks.

    • Scott P

      They had their chance with it.

      Now it seems the Poles with their MSBS will take the torch and continue with what the ACR should have been. At least the Poles are hungry to make a name for themselves in this country being the new kids on the block with something to prove whereas Remington, like Colt, arrogantly avail themselves to thinking their brand name and heritage is all it needs to make a buck.

      • KestrelBike

        Yeah we’ll see! Some of the earlier threads made it seem like the weight really hasn’t been improved upon. That’s my biggest problem with the ACR, it’s so forward-heavy.

        • Jon Hammett

          Most piston guns are due to the greater weight of the piston. I know my piston driven AR is nose heavy.

      • Marc

        Kind of like Harley Davidson.

  • Tim U

    Let the company fail. They no longer understand their value nor the needs of the consumer. The AAC suppressors are nice, but they’re being eclipsed by new gen modular suppressors coming out that can do more for the money.

  • Dracon1201

    I simply will not buy Remington again. There are too many companies that make the rifles/sg/handguns Remington makes but all of them do it better.

  • Giolli Joker

    At least they have honest reps.

  • Paladin

    After the whole thing with AAC I swore I wouldn’t buy another Remington product. I thought it was going to be hard to stick to that, but the more I see the easier it gets.

    • Joshua

      I wouldn’t mind having a M2010.

      • Paladin

        Meh, there’s plenty of other options that do the same thing better.

  • Joshua

    How they managed to make an AR-15 that was twice the cost of the HK416 is quite honestly baffling.

    • TheMaskedMan

      How Freedom Group manages to continually ruin gun brands is also baffling. I’m starting to think it’s secretly run by the Brady Campaign.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        No. Stop spreading mistruths!

        There is no way the Brady Campaign would be as efficient in running the company into the ground as Remington. 😉

  • Porty1119

    I’ve switched from Remington slugs to handloads after an out-of-spec rim caused a death jam (had to disassemble hammer-down with an empty in the chamber, then manually recock) in my 870. Never seen or heard of anything like it; there’s a big extractor-shaped dent in the case.

  • John D

    Nothing rusts faster than a new Remington product

  • FightFireJay

    A company living in the past with nothing new to show.

    RM-380? Nope, Rohrbaugh acquisition.
    Para-Ordnance/USA? Nope, bought, fixed, then axed.
    Marlin? Finally back up to pre Remington standards, probably.
    Bushmaster? You mean Wyndham Weaponry?
    Etc, etc, etc…

    • David Harmon

      That’s the one that aggravated me the most, Marlin. That company was absolutely fantastic before Remington got involved.

  • kzrkp

    “and he said that neither had received any real interest, because both of them were too expensive to be competitive.”

    both, including the R51? I’ll be sad if they don’t re-launch it.

    • No, the ACR and R5.

      • kzrkp

        disregard, I’m an idiot. thanks for the update on all three!

      • Stan Darsh

        Does that mean they’re discontinuing the ACR or are they just not bringing the RemDef version to market?

        • Most likely, it means they are no longer offering the military variant of the ACR.

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    For all those smashing Remington, how many 200 year old companies are there around making firearms? Only one older than Remington; that would be Beretta. After Remington comes the now in Bankruptcy COLT, followed by Mauser, Walther (which has seen many changes) and then FN Herstal. Look what has happened to various automobile manufacturers in a short 100+ years time . . . .

    • Jesse Foust

      Should we be supporting a company simply because of the name attached to it? If they are unwilling or unable to produce a product I want, I will not purchase it. Name a product they make that another company isn’t making cheaper and of higher quality, please.

      • 2ThinkN_Do2

        First off, cheaper is not always better and secondly, the RM380 is a very nice gun. I have one, it has been flawless through the first 300 rounds. So what if it is the Rohrbaugh redone. It has been modified and it still works and it’s reasonably price. If I didn’t already have an LCP, and this was available then, this would’ve been my choice. The LCP maybe seeing the gun show sales table one day soon.

        • Jesse Foust

          First off, I said higher quality AND cheaper, so that comment is completely irrelevant. The RM380 may be a nice gun, but how many years into the micro 380 craze did it enter the market? Remington was, as usual it seems in recent years, late to the party.

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            Okay, so I feel the RM380 is higher quality and there is nothing similar so it’s in a field all it’s own for what it is. I’ve had a BG380 it was brought back by S&W because they couldn’t make it right. I would never consider the PICO and I already shared my thoughts on the LCP.

          • Jesse Foust

            That’s one. I’ll let you have it because I have no interest in any of them, though I have shot an LCP and BG380. Both seemed adequate to me, thought the Smith felt more solid to me. No problems with either, in my limited experience. The 700 can’t hold up recently to the much less expensive Savage (which won’t discharge on their own). Their 1911s are about equal to Springfield. The 870 has some flaws, such as the location of the safety, and otherwise is a toss up with the Mossy 500. Beretta offers comparable auto shotguns for similar prices, or less. Are you seeing the pattern? Remington was a great firearms company. By all accounts they could still be one, but they are cutting corners on the things that matter to shooters and it’s beginning to show.

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            The only pattern I see, is your unhappiness with some products they make, that apparently you either purchased or for some reason might have wanted to but chose not to. That’s the beauty of choice, you can buy something from the many who make something that fills your desires or needs. When I wanted I shotgun, I looked at Rems, I liked the price and style of Moss 500 series better. When I wanted a nicer shotgun, I liked the Browning better. When I was looking at rifles, Ilked the Savage, CZ and Ruger line up. If I didn’t own what I do with regards to s 1911’s. I’d probably look at an R1. Almost bought the first 1911 they released, could’ve picked up at a fire sale price too; but I already had an inexpensive RIA Officer model. Bottom line, like I said originally; companies change, and 200 years is along time. Look at the nation we live in; it’s changed drastically in 240 years, lots of people don’t like what is happening and then there are those that do. Been a slice, have a marvelous evening.

          • Matt Frikin Bennett

            How is the length of time something has existed a basis off of which to judge the quality of it??? There are many giant companies that have been around for decades or centuries and are totally dysfunctional. I have witnessed it firsthand.

          • 2ThinkN_Do2

            How true, I mean look at the quality of life and heck, there seems to be no limit to dysfunctional humans . . . .

  • SD

    Aregularguy is a clown. The ACR is not as bad as he made it out to be.

    • Steve

      Can you be more specific? What talking points is he wrong about or exaggerating? Not being able to buy spare parts seems pretty crappy. A rifle that is front heavy would get pretty old pretty quick unless all you did was shooting from prone or a bench.

  • Daniel Gibson

    Whats missing? An RM9 to replace Rohrbaughs R9!

  • maxsnafu

    Does anyone know of a gunsmith experienced in working on the original Model 51?

    • 2ThinkN_Do2

      No gunsmith, but I do have an R51 that doesn’t seem to be full of all the issues that most seemed to have experienced. Quite the accurate piece actually, and it feels good in the hand too. I did experience the improper reassembly issue once; fixed it while at the range. I’ve had a couple feed issue (may have been ammo related or limp wrist) and also a couple return to battery hangups. However, all those were within the first 100 rounds and I don’t recall having any issues in the last 3 x’s I took it out. Think I’ll clean er up and take it out next range visit; while my son is in town. See how it’s doing. I’ve had bigger issues with reliability with my Sig P290RS, thankfully I traded it for something better from a different manufacturer.

  • Joshua

    Just FYI guys. You overlooked something I had confirmed earlier today and found here.

    Last picture, top, right hand rifle. That .308 rifle is their CSASS entrant.

    • I think I might have some in my folders, actually.

      • Joshua

        Very cool. Wouldn’t mind seeing it. It’s supposed to be a modified GII

  • I guess you didn’t get all the way through my sentence:

    “The ACR is an excellent weapon if you are bored and want something to fiddle with, certainly.”

    • Steve

      Actually, I did. I just happen to disagree as to why you’d suggest anyone spend the money on something so mediocre. Why not suggest a quality AR/AK or a SCAR, all of which are superior.

      Could do without the snotty attitude.

      • Could you show me where I suggested someone spend money on the ACR?

        • Steve

          Implied. Unless you either own or your local range has a copy you can check out. I don’t see how else one could fiddle with one short of stealing one.

  • Matt Frikin Bennett

    Maybe if the genius’ at Remington would sell their Remington Defense line to us lowly civilians, they would have more demand for their product, enabling a more reasonable price and giving them more business. But alas, they have the common sense of a 3 year old on acid.

  • gunsandrockets

    I thought it was interesting that the Remington website has altered within the last month. The changes I noticed were they no longer carry the semi-auto model 750 rifle, and only half the types of pump-action model 7600 are offered with an MSRP increase of $200.

  • David Harmon

    Ahh, Remington, pretending to still be American…