Century Arms C308 1K Round Torture Test

C308 test

James Grant of Burst Review puts a Century Arms C308 to the test by firing 1,000 rounds of 7.62×51 without stopping. Obviously he had to stop for magazine changes.  The C308 is a clone of the proven H&K G3 rifle. There are some malfunctions due to rounds not extracting. My favorite line is “It kinda smells like CRAYONS!”

C308 smoking

 

After about 300 rounds, the handguard falls off.

C308 handguard

 

The video is a little long. It is 36 mins long. To show that he did indeed fire 1,000k rounds, he filmed it with multiple cameras. One of which was a GoPro which the video from that is superimposed picture in picture and unedited. So you can see there were no real delays or stops between cuts of footage.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Seems like a waste of money/time/gun.

    • smartacus

      and waste of shoulder 🙂

      • Mike Lashewitz

        Yeah I can imagine sleeping for the next few days. Probably like after firing 5 rounds through a 45/70.

        .45: nominal diameter of bullet, measured in decimal inches, i.e., 0.458 inches (11.63 mm);
        70: weight of black powder, measured in grains, i.e., 70 grains (4.56 g);
        405: weight of lead bullet, measured in grains, i.e., 405 grains (26.2 g).

  • Steve

    I particularly enjoyed him talking about muzzle disciple w/regards to cook-offs while still pointing the muzzle toward the sky repeatedly…

  • Vitsaus

    If you’re looking for a noisemaker, get Century. If you want something serious, get anything else.

    • Jeebus

      TheLateBoyscout did a review on YouTube- he had a slamfire and numerous broken parts. I’d take a pass on this rifle.

      • Matt Frikin Bennett

        Thelateboyscout is also a moron.

        • iksnilol

          Why?

          I don’t follow Youtube personalities so I don’t know much about him.

  • manBear

    Couldn’t make it through the video. This guy is too damn annoying

    • Machinegunnertim

      He was a bit over dramatic here and there.

  • toms

    get a PTR. Roller locks are too complicated for the monkeys at Century. I would not have done that test. Headspace problems can be dangerous on those rifles if built inappropriately.

    • Ed

      That be older 1990s vintage CENTMEs. They fixed the problems in QC now.

    • mosinman

      or just do away with these rifles and get a more ergonomic AR-10 clone

    • Mike

      PTR actually assembles these rifles, everyone keeps forgetting that for some reason. Century just provides the older Cetme parts.

  • Ed

    All the rich Century ney saying forget its still shot well in the end like a over priced PTR. I find these torture test stupid even in war you wont be melting your rifle this over shooting waste time and money.

    Ive shot Century guns they work fine just because you don’t spend thousands on a rifle like the rich boys who also post comment here, doesn’t mean its a bad rifle.

    • Vitsaus

      The same gun from PTR91 runs about 150 more than this, and is better made, has a better warranty, better customer service, and a better finish. PTR offers a more price minded option, as well as “rich boy” options.

      • Ed

        More of a over priced rip off.

      • gunsandrockets

        When I was shopping in December the LGS price difference between the Century C308 and PTR GI was only $50, and the PTR unquestionably was a higher quality firearm. No regrets.

        • Jeff Smith

          I had the exact same experience. I ended up buying a PTR and I love it.

    • Jeff Smith

      It’s worth noting a couple of things. First, it’s not really the same gun. The century guns use a CETME parts kit and a US made receiver. I believe PTR sources HK contract parts kits for their builds, making it a true HK 91 clone. Most of the parts interchange with the original HK, unlike the C308. Second, the quality for the price is a big deal. I own a PTR and the price was only about $100 difference between it and a C308. Third, PTR offers a warranty on their guns. (From the Atlantic Firearms website) “PTR offers a 3 year warranty from original date of purchase on all products manufactured. All PTR products also have a lifetime or 25,000rd warranty on the internal parts that PTR produces which can include the trunnion, bolt head, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, and sear.”

      I own several weapons made/imported by century. They work well, but I’d much rather pay a little more ($100) and get something nicer.

      • dshield55

        Century used to make G3 based ones. Can’t remember what they were called.

        • Scott P

          C91 and they were garbage too.

    • janklow

      spoken like someone dead-set on proving he got one over on those “rich boys” with his sweet Century deal.

      if you like your rifle, awesome, i’m glad you do and/or that it runs well. but let’s either call the PTR overpriced OR wave away the C308s failings instead of trying to do them both.

    • Doug Larsen

      “Holy run on sentences, Bat-Man!”

  • thedonn007

    Funny, I just watched a video by the late boyscout about the same rifle. He claims about 5 MOA accuracy and he had a slam fire with his as well.

  • Evil_Bonsai

    Don’t know much about this gun, but anyone else thinking all the failures were because he was yanking back on the magazine, instead of holding the foregrip area? This isn’t an AR with it’s large forward magwell area.

    • Mike Lashewitz

      Well that is a distinct possibility, but there comes a certain point where holding the fore grip is not a good idea. Perhaps well before it melted off? LOL!

  • Paul White

    The Last Boy Scout on youtube had a pretty harsh review of this too…I plan to not buy one

    • rob

      It was late boy scout

    • Scott P

      Good.

      Save your pennies and buy a real G3 from PTR who know what they are doing.

  • A Fascist Corgi

    I’m sick of people crapping on the reputation of great firearms by using Century Arms garbage to represent the type.

    • Scott P

      I agree.

      The cognitive dissonance is astounding and it affects the gun community as well especially when it comes to foreign designs that the vast majority of U.S. shooters are completely clueless about unless it is a Glock.

  • Michigunner

    At 15:30 – “I am now going to shoot this thing like a handgun because I want my hands as far away from the receiver as humanly possible.” PROCEEDS TO PUT FACE ON RECEIVER OF RIFLE!!!

    • Mike Lashewitz

      It’s only a birthmark..

  • Twilight sparkle

    That looked more like an accidental discharge than a cook off

    • CommonSense23

      Negligent discharge. And it did look like one, his finger goes in the trigger well and boom.

  • LV-426

    Spent more on ammo, than the gun was even worth.

    • Doug Larsen

      He didn’t spend a dime on ammo.

  • smartacus

    i’d never f**k up my shoulder for youtube like that

  • Machinegunnertim

    I’ve recently had the chance to shoot this gun side by side with a Zastava M77, and an FAL. and I can say that this was the worst of the bunch. It was reliable with a laquered steel, polymer coated steel, surplus and commercial ammo but the recoil was the highest and you really got to have long gorilla arms to comfortably operate the charging handle and long fingers to reach the mag release button. Among the FAL, AK, G3/CETME, and AR10 type .308 rifles, each has it’s ups and downs but with no last round bolt hold open, poor trigger, hard recoil and no affordable furniture upgrades the CETME/G3 type looses in my opinion. The biggest advantage is the price of magazines.

  • R H

    Seriously? This guy again?! I think we all had enough of him after his overly dramatic “review” of the Ruger American pistol…

  • dshield55

    He kept saying “gas tube.” He does know that the C308 isn’t gas operated right?

    • iksnilol

      Uh, why do they have a gas tube if they aren’t gas operated?

      Rookies 😛

      • DaveP.

        They don’t. The tube above the barrel only holds the operating rod; there’s no gas port into it and there’s no piston/direct impingement system, therefore it isn’t a gas tube and the gun isn’t “gas operated” per se.
        The operating action is qualified as “Delayed Blowback”; if you want to stretch a point you can call that ‘gas operated’ since it operates on residual gas pressure in the barrel but it’s really its own type.

        • iksnilol

          Now you’re saying that they can run 308 in a blowback that weighs less than 10 kg?

          • DaveP.

            Yep. Been doing it since 1945. “Roller-delayed blowback”. Not a piston to be seen.

          • iksnilol

            Pfft, if that was true then they wouldn’t be making blowback rifles with those gigantic 10 kg bolts.

          • DaveP.

            Well, I’m not responsible for what “they” do or don’t do, but as far as the HK91 (and the -93, and the LMG/GPMG based off of them, and the CETME, and the SIG 550, and the STG 45 they all came from) it’s a roller-delayed blowback and that’s all she wrote.
            But hey- don’t believe the guy who fired/stripped/cleaned one; look up the blueprints or whip out a little Google-fu.

          • Bucho4Prez

            One of you is not in on the joke.

          • DaveP.

            Either that, or one of us has had this argument before.

          • iksnilol

            You can’t be serious?

            Are there really that dense people out there?

          • DaveP.

            *sigh* yep. Twice. If you were funnin’ me, that’s all right. But I have had for-real this very conversation. Once on line with a guy who was trying to make some fool point or other (I think he was in favor of gun control and was trying to make some point about military rifles), and once where I ended up pointing at the rifle and demanding to see the piston.
            To quote the sage, “It ain’t what you don’t know that gets ya… it’s what you do know that ain’t so.”

          • iksnilol

            You should start an osmium mine, since you’re obviously good at finding dense stuff.

            Sage sure was a wise man.

          • DaveP.

            Walt Kelly’s Pogo.

          • iksnilol

            Shhh

            😉

          • iksnilol

            Sorry for calling you out like that. But come on, German engineers putting a gas tube on a rifle that isn’t gas operated?

            I wasn’t born yesterday.

            What’s next? STG wasn’t the first assault rifle? Read up on stuff a bit 😛

          • FarmerB

            Err, SIG 550 isn’t roller-delayed blowback – it’s gas. However, the SIG 510 / StGw-57 / Fass-57 / PE-57 / AMT is.

  • Bjørn Vermo

    You say “The C308 is a clone of the proven H&K G3 rifle.”
    How much of a clone, and how much a rip-off? It does not look the same, and it does not seem to perform anywhere like the Kongsberg license-built AG3 I am used to shooting.

    • Scott P

      It is not even a clone of the G3 but a clone of the Spanish CETME (a poor clone at that) which the G3 itself was a copy of!!

      Sadly a lot of Americans are cheap skates buying bottom-of-the-barrel garbage then getting butthurt when they are called out for buying inferior crap compared to the originals that work. You get what you pay for.

  • dshield55

    What’s amazing is that it made it 1,000 rounds. I’d like to know why he had as many double feeds and failures to extract as he did though.

    • Bjørn Vermo

      It might be because he did not know how to hold it. You’re not supposed to touch the magazine while shooting.

      • Mike Lashewitz

        I also noted the magazines were not “packed” after loading. Something that simple can make a difference.

    • Scott P

      Because Century is a garbage company. If you want quality imports buy from tye official company if possible not these part’s kit rejects.

  • dshield55

    “FS: Century C308. Only shot it once. Great rifle. My loss your gain. $695 obo”

  • fmike15

    I had a new(?) century cetme, biggest piece of crap made. The internals were rusted, firing pin bent and the 2 lower retaining pins had to be hammered out and the stock hammered off. Of course I could never get an answer from century. Finally I got it to shoot and the hammer spring broke first time out. Offered century money for a new one, no reply. finally found one on ebay. Lesson learned, century sucks! I have a PTR now, best rifle I have.

    • Mike Lashewitz

      That is a good review!

      • fmike15

        I left a lot out otherwise no one would have read it, like the strange looks I’d get at the range when 2-3 trigger pulls would empty the mag. You’d think “Hey that’s cool” but around the 3rd shot the rounds would be going over the berm and you never knew when it was going to happen.

        • Mike Lashewitz

          Just HOLD ON!! LOL Did a pretty good job of doing just that holding on… I am wondering how many trees fell…

          • fmike15

            I finally watched the video all the way through, I hope he got that mess cleaned up before his parents got home. Ha ha!

  • FarmerB

    I almost had to close my eyes when he has a round seemingly half-in the chamber (out of battery) and then proceeds to put the safety on??? If the cartridge had cooked off with it out of battery – it would have added real drama to the video.

  • Matt Frikin Bennett

    Why would I trust a test done by someone who doesn’t even understand how the gun operates?

    • Scott P

      And using Century no less.

  • Mike Lashewitz

    I REALLY appreciated this video! I love to see a weapon put through the paces and fully TESTED.
    (Theatrical note) you could have picked up a leaf and let it catch fire on the barrel, or place the barrel on the table giving it a permanent “tattoo”. SENSATIONALISM!

    What I would really have loved to see was a follow up after the barrel cooled to see the ballistics accuracy for a before and after. Something to show whether or not permanent damage happened to the barrel as well as head space measurements before and after.
    Most people do not realize an actual AR-10 has a firing schedule already tested and determined to prevent permanent damage from overheating. (available in the manual)

    • Mike Lashewitz

      I must add that I have never had a misfeed/misfire in my WASR10. Ran thousands of rounds through it. But then I lightly coat all my rounds in pork based lubricants. It keeps the steel cartridges rust free and slicker….. Cheaper too! LOL!

  • maodeedee

    I have a century arms Cetme. When I first got the gun I took it apart and cleaned it good but it jammed. The recommendation was that you break them in with 300 rounds then they should work O.K. 300 rounds later still no good so I took it apart again and put some fine lapping compound in it and worked the action, cleaned it, tried it aga9in still no good.
    So I sent it back to century with a note saying to please fix it and tell me what was wrong with it and what they did to fix the problem, They fixed it but ignored my request to tell me what the problem was.

    Years ago I worked on an assembly line foir a company that manufactured garbage disposals. At the end of the line we had electrical test leads to connect to the completed disposal before it was packed and shipped and some of the disposals were out of alignment and would start to spin and then catch and jam up and some would be jammed and wouldn’t spin at all. So what we would do with the ones that didn’t want to spin or would jam up is we would leave the leads connected and whack the unit with a big rubber mallet until the thing lined itself up right and spun free.

    Then we would send them off to the shipping department. I imagine Century did something similar with their re-assembled Cetme’s that didn’t work right and were returned for repairs.

  • Scott P

    It’s Century Arms afterall, not a bastion for quality craftsmanship. Just a business catering to the cheapskate within the gun community.

    • Doug Larsen

      When talking about Century Arms, it’s important to distinguish between the guns they build and the guns they import but don’t touch.

      With the guns they build, you’re largely correct. There have been some exceptions (like the fantastic Century M70AB2 Yugo AK from 2003-2006), but even that was contract-built for Century. When they put their own hands on a gun, yeah…not good.

      But they DO import some inexpensive, really good firearms as well. Mostly pistols. For example, the Grand Powers they used to import were awesome. And the Canik pistols sold by Century have been getting great reviews all around.

      As long as you know exactly what you’re buying, and just as important what to avoid, Century can offer some bonafide value in firearms. Even if it’s amongst plenty of junk.