New .22 Pistol: The SW22 Victory

SW22 Victory

Smith & Wesson launched a new pistol called the SW22 Victory. A dedicated .22 LR target gun, the pistol essentially replaces the previously discontinued Model 22A guns in the company’s catalog.

The new guns are single action pistols that are designed to be affordable, accurate and easy to take down. While fans and owners of the Browning Buck Mark or Ruger Mark III may not be swayed away from their pistols, the new SW22 does offer a number of things that shooters may like.

First off, the new gun is disassembled by removing a single screw located under the barrel and forward of the trigger guard. Once the screw is removed, the gun comes apart for cleaning or barrel replacement. The barrel is a match grade bull barrel, and I expect S&W will be offering other lengths in the near future.

SW22 Victory Camo pistol

Next, the gun has fiber optic sights standard (front and rear.) The rear sight is adjustable. Should you not the factory sights, they are replaceable. Also included with the sale of every SW22 is a Picatinny rail that easily mounts to the top of the pistol. This makes adding a red dot or scope pretty easy.

The pistols are single action, and the company includes a user-adjustable trigger stop. The frame is made of stainless steel. The removable grip panels are polymer and have cuts for pulling the magazine out if needed.

According to S&W, the company extensively tested these pistols to ensure reliability with a wide range of .22 LR ammunition.

At launch, the guns will be available in the basic model plus two additional. The first variant is a threaded barrel model. This gun is identical to the base model, with the exception of having a 1/2-28 threaded barrel for the addition of a sound suppressor. The second variation has a Kryptek Highlander camouflage pattern on the barrel and receiver. The camo gun has a standard barrel.


  • 5.5″ barrel
  • 36.0 oz
  • 10 round magazines (two included)
  • frame, bolt, barrel material: stainless steel
  • satin stainless finish (Kryptek Highlander optional)

The base SW22 Victory has a MSRP of $409. The threaded barrel and camo models are priced at $429 and $459 respectively. Though the pistols are more expensive than the 22A, they are well below the suggested price of the Model 41 pistols that start at more than $1,300.

Although it bears the Victory name, these guns have no known relation to the Victory revolvers of World War II fame.

Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is


  • M.M.D.C.

    Looks like they’re going after the 22-45.

    • Paul Epstein

      It’s like a Mark III got hit with the ugly stick. Even if you think the Ruger got hit with the ugly stick already, this was another unnecessary whack.

    • Edeco

      Yeah, what a wasted opportunity. Being simple and boney by nature 22 target pistols can be made really pleasant looking.

    • Fred Johnson

      I like it. It’s much better looking than its predecessor in my opinion.

      Sure it doesn’t look like a combat/self defense pistol. It’s a .22 plinker/target pistol.

      I want to go right out and buy one and slap a small red dot on the included optic rail and have a blast.

  • TVOrZ6dw

    Glad to see S&W back in the .22LR auto game. While I won’t be trading in my Ruger MkII anytime soon, it never hurts to have more competition. These are among the funnest firearms to spend a day at the range with.

  • Gregory

    Looks like a turd!

    • Marc Tierney

      Looks like a turd……dipped in vomit……sprayed with cat piss.

  • I wonder how much it has in common with the older Model 22A and Model 22S.

    • ostiariusalpha

      I’ve eyeballed it pretty closely and I can’t see so much as a single part that they have in common: sights, safeties, bolt parts, grips, and magazines are not interchangeable. No commonality with the M&P 22 either.

  • ExMachina1

    Sadly, I’ve lost all confidence that the 22LR will ever be the cheap plinking round it once was. I hope I’m eventually proved wrong.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Nope, welcome to the new normal. Idiots created an artificial panic, prices went up, idiots continue to buy, it’ll never go back.

      • Edeco

        It’s a nuissance vis a vis the precise act of buying 22 lr ammo, itself. But overall I say woot for the new normal!

        • tts

          Why?! More expensive ammo isn’t helping anyone but the ammo manufacturers who are doing you or me no favors.

          • Edeco


          • tts

            Price for a 500rd brick of .22lr ammo in the early 80s was around $4.75. Today the cheapest I can find in stock is $59.50 over at sgammo online. From a local store I’d have to pay $95 for the same amount of .22lr of similar quality.

            Adjusting the early 80s price of $4.75 for inflation you end up with $13.78. Back in 2008-9 I’d pay about $25 or so for a box of 500 .22lr ammo. Inflation is a factor but not by that much.

            You cheering on the price gouging, and calling it normal and good, is ridiculous. This is also not a “little dearth”. This has been going on for years now. Its highly facetious of you to try and make a molehill out of this mountain. You getting paid by the ammo companies to post or what jeez?

          • Edeco

            Oh lordy, I was insensitive toward your plight at the hands of the corporate oppressors. In their icy, steely clutches. Be strong comrade. *power fist gesture*

          • tts

            So I point out a real problem and all you do is post none to subtle insulting sarcasm? If you can’t deal with people disagreeing with you maybe posting isn’t for you?

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            I just bought a brick of 325 at local ‘Mart for $15.99 (limit one). First time in a very long time.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Late 1990’s brick of 500 rounds of .22LR was $7.99 according to tags on my deep-stock boxes.

      • Cymond

        I keep hearing that argument. Apparently the idiots have unlimited purchasing stamina and basements as big as warehouses.

    • Orion Quach

      Depending on where your at its pre panic prices. Here in Dayton, Ohio the plinking stuff is all 5-6 cents a round.

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      I find it strange, because I can find US-made Federal bulk-pack .22lr here in Norway. It is cheaper than the prices I see in the US, even though we have 25% sales tax. Someone is getting ripped off, and it is not me (I get ripped of in other ways).

      • Kivaari

        Wow, a 25% sales tax to pay for the free medical.

        • tts

          Still cheaper that way than what we pay.

          Personally even if it cost a bit more I’d put up with it since it’d do away with all the in and out of network + billing crap you have to put up with right now. Sucks.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Oh, and the government have no incentives to fck you over, like the insurance companies do (increased profits). You get the care you need. End of story.

          • tts

            No system is perfect but a UHS does seem to do a better job overall vs private healthcare and has for decades for the rest of the world so being a practical realist I like to go with what works the best.

          • Borchardt

            So when the King of Saudi Arabia gets sick, does he fly to the UK, or anywhere else with a UHS, or does he come to the US?

          • tts

            He does whatever he wants because he is super rich. If the best doctor for his illness is in the US he’ll go there. If its the UK or say Singapore he’ll go there instead.

            What is your point? That the US has good docs? Sure it does. But if people can’t afford the healthcare, even with insurance before or after recent controversial legislation attempts at reform, than so what? It might as well not even exist if you can’t afford it.

          • Clive

            We do not (and have not for decades) have private healthcare in the United States. We have a monstrous hybrid of private/government healthcare here. THAT IS OUR PROBLEM. It is a form of corrupt government controlled “crony capitalism”.
            The free market (with real free market competition) would do a pretty good (but imperfect) job of providing healthcare.
            Socialized medicine has its own share of problems, but generally works tolerably well.
            Our system also generally works tolerably well but is not economically sustainable.

          • Kivaari

            That is just one of the taxes. If it were simply 25% sales tax that would be bad enough. But they hit the people across the range. Tax rates over 60% in many European nations. I dold a Swede 2 3-9x Leupolds when they were $79.99. They paid $350 VAT. That is over 30 years ago. He was very happy to see them so cheap.

          • tts

            You’re right about the taxes but even accounting for all the taxes they still pay half what we do for healthcare for similar quality care overall.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Yes, costs of living is very high. But so is the pay in relation to US. We used to enjoy a very strong currency, but due to the oil crisis it is now more on par with other European nations.

            Including taxes, a Smith & Wesson 686 Competitor, is 2300 USD. Just to make an example. But then again, the monthly pay of a full-time waiter in a restaurant is about the same as that 686, after taxes excluding tip.

          • Kivaari

            $2300 USD is a painful price.$2300 for a full time job is quite poor. That’s why so any people try to find higher skilled jobs. Being a waiter is actually a hard job. I hope they get good tips.

          • Art out West

            Incomes in Norway are FAR higher than average for western Europe. Norwegians earn considerably more on average than Brits, Germans, or the French.
            If we want to have any kind of reasonable comparison between U.S. and European economic or social policies, it would be more profitable to compare the U.S. to the E.U as a whole. Comparing the U.S and Norway makes about as much sense as comparing the E.U. to a single state such as Connecticut.

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          Not really how it works, but hey, if you say so!

        • iksnilol

          Not really how it works but still way cheaper than the insurance in the US.

          • Kivaari

            Americans, a usually uninformed group of people, always say wed a system like Canada or Sweden. They never get to how it is paid for. High taxes pay for hose service. Here the ill informed think they can get “Obama money” that is taken from the greedy corporations. None seem to understand that corporations don’t pay taxes. Corporations simply collect the taxes from the customers, spend a t deal more on bookkeeping efforts then pass it on to the government. People actually do not understand that very simple fact. Americans remain some of the least informed people on earth.
            They will watch entertainment TV and read People magazine, but never now what real news is happening. Many do not even know how our three part government functions. We remain doomed tanks to our stupid people-voters.

          • iksnilol

            It’s the same in the rest of the world.

            Here in Norway they want to merge the smaller counties and eventually phase them out so that everyone lives in the big cities. Short term thinking everywhere. Corpses.

          • Kivaari

            A common theme he as well. I was involved with local government where the feds showed us “the plan”. The plan depopulated the rural areas, and made society more efficient by moving everyone to metro areas where there is no need for private vehicles or raising of farm animals. Thousands of small towns were supposed to disappear and become nothing more than a rest stop with fuel and food for those passing through. That was to be replaced by high speed rail service. If you wanted a piece of your own heaven with 5 acres, you were considered a caveman. Guns? Why have guns when government is there to protect you, and keep you under control for the good of the collective.

          • iksnilol

            I just find it so scary that so… stupid people are given such power.

            Cause they literally want to remove the smaller counties (AKA the places that produce the food and power in the country) in favor of them living in cities. Seriously, this new government in Norway is so retarded you can’t even make fun of it. It’s sad. It’s kindergarten level of planning. “Yeah, we should sell of our most profitable industry because of a dip in profits.” That’s the crap they are trying to get through.

          • Kivaari

            Norway had a great post-war attitude of “Never again”. Yet, they dislike anyone that has a gun. They don’t support much of what the other NATO member do. I guess they support the concept that others will take care of business when things go wrong again.

          • iksnilol


            I live in Norway, people don’t mind guns. Only city-slickers will scoof at you for having a gun.

          • Kivaari

            It is those city-slickers that control the media and government. Like in the USA the political power elites think they know what is best for us. They base their ideas on what they see around them. They live in major cities with major crime problems and think that is what it is like everywhere. They want to pass laws to fix the country based upon their narrow perspective of life. Look at DC, where the good people are disarmed, the community is deteriorated, crime is common and they think it must be like that in rural Utah, because how could it be better, when there are so many cops in DC, and they can’t solve the problems. More money and more power will fix it all. Except we don’t need fixing, we need protection from those that would fix us. We want them out of our lives, as it isn’t up to them to tell us how to live.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Norway is a Nation in the biblical sense. Norwegians are a People.
            I pray for your strength in the coming internal wars, my blue eyed cousins.

          • iksnilol

            One of those people. *sigh* here we go again.

            If there’s an “internal war” I doubt I’d be joining the whiteys despite being whiter than feta cheese. If stuff goes down it’s those f***s who will be trying to kill me. I am not blue eyed, nor Norwegian. Just a refugee trying to live a normal life. Then there’s people like you who think we’re criminals and dangerous, and just to be safe you’ll try to take us out before we can do anything. Y’know, just to be safe. Just like you insured that those refugees from Syria don’t do anything by burning down churches they stayed at.

            I am sick of people like you. People like you f****ed up my left hand (it doesn’t bend all the way), tried to kill me, ostracised me, accused me and my family of being criminals… yet *I* am the threat, the enemy. Thank goodness people like you are outnumbered by the sane individuals in society.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Thanks for being one of the good guys. Sorry about idiots hurting you.

          • iksnilol

            Sorry for lashing out.

            It’s just so many. Like, I know literally over a hundred refugees in several cities (I am connected you could say), and I know only two criminals and one welfare queen.

            I’d dare say that there’s fewer welfare queens amongst foreigners. I think it is because we don’t want to be the stereotype.

          • Kivaari

            It’s too bad that the white guys become the people to fear. I live in North Idaho, where the neo-nasties hang out. They say they want to preserve America and keep the other people (brown, black, red or yellow) out. We have White Identity Churches where the members cling to guns and bibles, at the exclusion of everyone else. I don’t mind people reading the bible and having all the guns they like.
            I belonged to a conservative group, that started to showing an ugly side of racism and proclaiming the authorities were getting ready to “move on us”. It became stupid when they feared seeing military vehicle being transported from base to base or to a shipping port on the coast, and an air force base had a couple of fighters fly around.
            “They are making their move, grab your gear”. Seeing a train load of IFVs heading to a port or to the Yakima Firing Center or Nevada.
            These people become scary for conservatives like me. It causes the real good patriots to take cover.

          • iksnilol

            Have yet to experience the neo-nasties.

            Have argued with an extremist muslim though. Was in a mosque and got in an argument over the entrances. There’s the big grand entrance and then there’s the smaller side entrance. He argued with me that the women who were with me should have gone through the small entrance. Pointless, honestly.

            I find groups like those to be sad. They prey on disengranchised youth and “losers”.

          • tts

            You might dislike it but for various economic and long term energy and resource conservation reasons having most people live in a city is better than having them spread out all over the place.

            Fuel and infrastructure costs for widespread sprawling suburb or exurb developments are no joke and no one seems to want to pay for it when confronted with them. Either at the gas pump or via taxes.

            There is nothing inherently sinister about it.

          • Kivaari

            We can all see the economics of central living. That is not a crisis in North America. We have adequate fuel reserves here. It is so easy to extract the resources that we now see $2 gasoline.
            It is sinister. Those desiring centralized living ignore the desires of those that do not want to live in a planned community. Most of use do not desire to live in an apartment, where we can’t have our pet’s or farm animals. We prefer open space where we can grab our AR15 and shoot in any direction without being a risk to anyone.
            People that want to live in an apartment strikes many of us as being an odd person. Why would anyone desire such a life? I wan to have my dogs. I want to be able to adopt pets that city dwellers dump in our area. People around us own horses, cows, goats and any thing they want. City dwellers have no clue as to what it feels like to not have a neighbor 4 inches away.
            Economy of cities comes at too high of a cost to personal freedoms. Look at NYC, where a tiny apartment costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and has 600 sf of living space. The common working people simply can’t live a comfortable life.
            Clustering people seems to stimulate crime. Small town and rural America has lower crime rates than the UK and Western Europe. We small town people look at the urban centers as being attractive to criminals. Chicago’s south side neighborhood has more murders each week, than my state has in a year. Why, would anyone want to live in a place where people don’t just worry about being mugged (robbed) but can count how many times it’s happened. Places where the individual is denied the right to own and carry a defense gun.
            I worked with people from around the state that think more government planning is a good thing. I just don’t see a benefit to the individual. We can choose our life’s path. I would never want to live in an apartment building ever again.

          • tts

            Gas is ~$2/gal now…but that doesn’t mean it’ll be so in the future. And rural infrastructure costs are no joke either.

            You sound as if you’re projecting. Encouraging city living also isn’t the same as banning rural living. If you like rural living that is fine, no one is stopping you, but for many its not practical if for no other reason than there isn’t much in the way of jobs that allow it.

            Most of the work will be in the cities so by default most people are going to end up there anyways. Economics of the situation tends to override everything really.

          • Kivaari

            Right. And I have been around since it was 23 cents a gallon as well as $5a gallon. Oil is cheap now that OPEC no longer has a monopoly. Yet the leftists don’t want to build a pipeline that will ease the economies of the entire west.
            Rural living is available today. There are many collectivists that want to stop it. It comes down to control. It is why more and more of federal lands get declared wilderness where no economic development can take place. Close off the wilderness and no one can use it, except for walking in. We have seen limits from the US Forest service that limit use to a small number of heartbeats. Your horse and dog count. A mouse in your pocket counts. YOU should see some of the ideas put forth by the USFS and EPA. We live in an EPA box that used to be 21 square miles and is now 1500 square miles. It crimps life. Where the feds own 50-90% of all land and it cannot be developed. That is the issue. Forced depopulation and isolation of people from rural areas. Get the feds out of owning land. Let them have only what is needed for the defense of the nation. Then let them lease space from private owners.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Actually, yes it is “like” banning living in less packed places. Look at non-urban Oregon: small mining/logging/fishing towns are depopulated until the BLM Office is the major employer, with the other half of the people there getting income from SSI or some dot-gov program.

            The anti-private-car legislation means that most people in the city can’t reasonably own a car or a firearm (can’t take rifle on public transit). Mostly, they can’t because they don’t make enough money to afford a place without non-related housemates sharing the cost of rent.

          • Kivaari

            Except the planners make it impossible to live in rural areas. They will create zones where the little guy can’t afford to build. Having created plans where 5 or 10 acres is minimum. Then they wont allow septic systems nor water wells. Where I now live, the “policy” is they wont issue permits for either septic tanks or wells. When you look into buying existing homes, often you find they are not in compliance with any existing laws. One home we viewed had water “stolen” from a creek and no septic drain field. When asking the county about bringing it to standard, the response is they wont issue permits, but just go ahead and do it, even though the EPA is watching every move made. It’s done by hand shake, and blind eye, until you get paperwork served on you by the feds.

          • Edeco

            Hey some of us ornery individualists just don’t feel the need to live next to a yak ranch or a, nutria plantation or a… sheep latifundium 😛

          • Kivaari

            That is the benefit of owning large rural properties. Small rural properties can be impacted by a yak ranch. My wife loves the smell of cows. I like looking at them but not smelling them. Urban living brings the memories of urine tainted businesses and apartment elevators. If I had a choice I’d be in the middle of 40 acres with a bunker for a man cave and my own rife range.

          • iksnilol

            There is something sinister about ruining the countries future just so that the current government can balance the budget.

            Again, you don’t amputate your legs to avoid stubbing your toe. Same way you don’t remove the people and institutions providing power (the kind that keeps the lights on) and makes food.

          • tts

            Even after accounting for high taxes its still cheaper though, as was already mentioned.

            Higher taxes don’t matter if the overall cost is less. What matters is how much you pay out of pocket.

            Bizarre word usage also isn’t a effective statement. If corps don’t pay taxes than neither do I or anyone else. We’re just passing along expenses to others via wages right?

            Americans are no more uninformed than other people. Yes there is plenty of stuff they don’t know, even when they think they do, but the same thing happens to people over in the EU, Russia, or China. If I remember correctly something like 30% or so of people in Russia think the sun orbits the Earth. In the US its about 25%. About the same for the EU. It seems to me around a third to a quarter of the population in any given country is pretty clueless and ignorant looking at various polls. YMMV.

          • Kivaari

            You have it. Everyone pays taxes one way or another. You earn money that has already been taxed. You pay your taxes. You buy services or products that reflect the cost of the product, and the cost of production an the axes the corporation pays. Same at the stores. Everything costs something. Every service, medical care, costs people something. Gone are the days of giving your doctor 2 chickens for his services. It’s as good as money, but is untaxed for the most part. Especially if the chickens are free range.
            People do not understand basic accounting. People demanding free college and free housing and free medical care do not know where the money comes from. The usual call is to tax evil corporations. Trying to tell them the customers have to pay more for the product or service simply do not understand much of anything. The Sun and Earth issue is also a fine example of how dumb people are. We knew that before we went to kindergarten.
            Many people here have absolutely no understanding of how laws are made.

          • tts

            I think you have a misunderstanding of what people mean when they want “free” college, medical care, etc.

            They don’t mean literally free. They do actually want to pay but not be saddled with onerous bankrupting expenses. Having society, and eventually themselves, pay for the stuff via taxes over time is quite effective even if it is often disliked in the US for various ideological reasons.

          • Kivaari

            No. I know what people frequently say and often demand. Many people demand college costs paid by the government. They want free medical care. They want the rich and corporations to pay their fair share. Except ask them how much they should be taxed they consider themselves too poor to be taxed because the rich and corporations have all the money. These are strong beliefs held by leftists. Visit The Evergreen State University (Olympia) Oregon State (Eugene) and Madison (WI). Meet with the students, especially those in black studies, women’s studies, and the like. Visit nearby coffee shops and talk to “anarchists”. Anarchist that are so dumb they don’t even know they are leftwing fools. Listen to Bernie Sanders on the campaign trail. These people are nuts.
            Listen to the black community leaders. They want free everything.
            People want free housing. They want $15 an hour for flipping burgers. “How do they raise a family on minimum wages?” Well, no one should be having a family if all they earn is minimum wages. Just why would anyone stay in such a poor paying job? People have a duty to themselves to improve their lot in life. If you are 35 years old with a wife and two kids and you work in a low skill job, why have you not done better? This kind of thinking goes on all around us.
            How many times have you heard candidates promising all the nice things in life, to uninformed voters everywhere, that actually believe such BS.

          • tts

            That is a gross misrepresentation on par with a strawman fallacy. Leftists don’t want free as in literally free though, they want to pay for stuff via taxes and have it managed by the govt.

            You might dislike that idea for various reasons but that is a whole other subject.

            Also adjusting wages for inflation, productivity, and/or cost of living is hardly unreasonable. The economy post .com bubble has been pretty bad for the non-rich and the 30yr old+ “loser” still working a low end job is now the norm. Individuals have a very hard time going against the economic climate in which they live, its unfair to hold that against them.

          • Kivaari

            You don’t listen to enough leftists. It is always tax the rich and let government run things. It is not the governments place to do as much as people demand. If everyone, EVERYONE, paid taxes that would be more fair. Too many leftists want others to pay their fair share, while they being a low wage earner, is exempt form paying taxes. Like the earned income tax payments. People get more back from the IRS than they pay in to the IRS. That is not paying their fair share, that is government sculpting the economy in an artificial manner.
            Everyone needs to pay. Almost half of the country’s tax payers simply don’t pay taxes. We are well beyond the bubble. That was an market distortion like we see every 8-10 years. I was bit by a distortion in housing prices. Buying when housing was high, investing another $40K in upgrades and now have house worth half of what I paid. That is not the fault of anyone. It just is. People like me are not owed anything by anyone, especially the government.
            We demand too much from government. We don’t require everyone to do their part. Then government gains too much power and control. Leftist love taxing and spending. They also love imposing rules on how we should live.

          • JK

            Yeah, but the grip angle on the subject of the article looks kinda funky.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            If you are a registered Democrat, vote for the Socialist Bernie, then tick Trump in the General. It’s more fun than not voting.

          • CountryBoy

            Well said. Unfortunately those who need to hear it probably aren’t able to read this blog.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            It’s because the former-United States of America is not “a nation” in the biblical sense. We are an internal empire of corruption and pay-offs where all attempt to live on the labor of all. As soon as someone asks for a Dollar, it’s over.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            The US medical system is cartel-priced, with no negotiation or competition. Regular people do without or face bankruptcy.
            Rule of thumb is that you can get a procedure of the the same or better quality in in Thailand for 10% of the US price (but you can’t sue them).

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Americans are not “uninformed” we are mostly “mal-informed”, which is worse. We believe everything is fine, and even if it’s not, our “superiors” in elected/appointed/CivilService can fix it financially or militarily. This was probably true until the mid-1960’s and has been promoted as a continuing reality for the past 50 years. Between public schools and broadcast television, most of what we think we know about the world economy or “intuitively feel is correct” is fundamentally incorrect (happy-feel empire propaganda) and often violently opposed by non-indoctrinated non-US persons/nations. .

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            The way the Norwegians paid for it (past tense, pre-invasion by rapeugees), was with the (SURPRISE!) oil. Good things like that don’t last, as the Saudi’s are finding out.

          • iksnilol

            If it weren’t for us “rapeugees” the Norwegians wouldn’t have their oil kingdom. We built a good part of the country. Read up on the oil history in Norway, look at the timeline from when the oil was found (1969). They needed money, we gave them money. They needed engineers, we gave them engineers. They needed manpower, we gave them manpower.

            The problem with the oil is that they didn’t diversify industry enough. Luckily they diversified as much as they did, or it would have been worse. Look at Russia who earned way more of their GDP from oil than Norway did.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            Are you from TX or OK? That’s where the best oil men come from, but they go anywhere for money/oil.

          • iksnilol

            Bosnia, war refugee. Came in the 90’s.

            Oil folks came primarily from the 60’s to the peak in 1975. They came from Yugoslavia, Turkey and Pakistan. There was a decent sum of engineers from the US though, where they’re from I don’t know. They came mostly after the peak in 75′. In the beginning Norway was dependent on foreign companies finding and establishing pipelines and whatnot. There was a bunch of companies I can’t really remember now.

            Before the oil, Norway was pathetically poor. Even offering half their oil for half of Volvo (the Swedish car company) and the Swedes refused. I bet they regret that one.

          • TSA_TheSexualAssault

            I have Swedes and Norwegians on one side of the family. The Swedes looked down their noses at Norwegians, but consoled themselves that the man their daughter married was at least not a Finn. This is completely a joke to me, as Norway was once part of Sweden and the people are (imho) nearly identical. Tour book photos before WWII show rich Swedes and hard-working Norwegian boat-owners.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, about that. Norway was in a forced union with Sweden. Had very little rights over their own country and whatnot.

            So yeah, might not be as much of a joke as you think.

          • Kivaari

            Sweden controlled most of Europe at one time. They even gave Russia its name. Mom was a Finn, that didn’t know they were not speaking Finn but Swedish for 70 years. Gramps was in the Russian Army 1898-1900. Gee time flies even when you are not having fun.

          • The Brigadier

            Sweden is an economic basket case, and is heaven as far as Sanders is concerned. He even goes as far as holding it out as his ideal for our economy. God help us all. 🙁

      • Demand sets prices. How many .22lr guns are there in Norway and how often are people shooting them?

        • iksnilol

          I believe it is the most shot caliber, pretty much everyone has one.

    • Anon. E Maus

      I think it depends on where you live, some places the prices went down again.

  • Lance

    Ruger knock off (Cough)

    • Nashvone

      They kind of allude to that in the video on the S&W website.

    • Fred Johnson

      And Ruger makes KelTec knock offs. So . . . here’s a cough drop.

  • Maxpwr

    Looks like most of the standard…If you can’t complain about the caliber then complain about the price if you can’t complain about the price complain about the looks comments have been made. Boy those comments are boring and so predictable.
    Looks like a good design to me. Kind of like the Browning Buckmark which was my first pistol and very accurate. As to people hording .22 ammo…I find it is actually people shooting 22 ammo. There are a lot of cool semi-auto 22s like SW MP-15/22, Umarex MP5, UZI 22 which I see at the range. Don’t blame the hoarders, blame the market for supply and demand. If you want it you can get it on-line.

    • Lt_Scrounge

      I actually saw some 22lr in a Walmart the other day.

      • timothius

        You shoulda got a picture.


    Good day for the Japanese! Someone finally made a pistol uglier than the type 94 nambu..

    • Kivaari

      S&W used even worse metals to do so.

      • John Willis

        looks like cheap pot metal

  • Aesthetically speaking, Smith & Wesson coerced a Ruger Mk. III to mate with an alien blaster prop from a 1950s B-movie. Due to ammunition price and availability I’ll stick with my Colt Scout. No need to rip through my LR stash in a hurry.

  • Nashvone

    If this had been on the market 6 months ago, I might not have bought my 22/45…and the Quick Strip conversion kit from Majestic Arms. Sure it’s ugly but It’s for fun and not wife material.

  • Mcameron

    sooooo……S&W is making the Browning Buckmark now….?

  • Drawety

    What is the s&w marketing going to say? It has a great personality?

    It’s like ruger and browning had a Kid and only the ugly and awkward bits were passed on. All the ugly of a ruger upper with the lack visually seamless melding of frame/slide/barrel from a buckmark.

    At least it’s msrp is low enough to allow it to take market share from the current leaders…….on wait, its expensive too?


    • Nashvone

      Price wise, it’s on par with Ruger.

      • drawtey

        yes, but if you are trying to take market share from the leader you have to either be
        1) significantly better (doubtful. strike 1)
        2) significantly cheaper (strike 2)
        3) significantly different/cooler/ more desirably. (judging from the comments, strike 3)

  • Andrew

    .22lr will never go back to pre-Sandy Hook prices. Just like when airlines, UPS, FedEx, pizza delivery, etc. raised their prices when gas was $4.00+/gal due to fuel costs…but never lowered them, even though gas is down to $1.49/gal in a lot of places now…

    • Ray S

      All ammo has gone up in price, as has the cost of firearms since Sandy Hook. It may cost more than it did before 2012 but 22lr is still the cheapest caliber to shoot, unless you’re shooting bb’s.

  • Cymond

    Yes, it’s ugly, but I find the easy takedown and swappable barrels appealing. Their release video actually mentions “aftermarket barrels”. (Function is more important than appearance, right?)

    Will I replace my MkIII? No. Is it at the top of the list for my next rimfire? No. But it’s probably #5 on my list. (22/45 Lite, finish my TacSol PacLite, SBR my 10/22, and a GSG 1911).

    • Limonata

      I own 2 GSG 1911’s and they are great plinkers and if you also own/carry a real 1911 it makes for a great trainer. Between the GSG 1911 and the SW 617 revolver my nieces and nephews pick those two out all of my guns when they come over for the weekend with their aunt and uncle. I also own a 22/45 Lite and Buckmark as well.
      That said, having actually been given the chance to use the SW22, the SW22 would be way ahead of the GSG 1911.
      The GSG 1911 is very picky with the HV 22LR is likes to eat and not at all easy to adjust if you can only find another brand. For many shooters, Standard Velocity simply does not work and even with many of the accessories from CW and having sites fitted and adjust by a local gun smith, the GSG can and does shoot to higher POA than I would like.
      The SW22 that I was given access to and which I shot about 100 rounds, was easy to adjust and the POA was the same across various 22LR ammo I tried. IMHO, it is on par with Ruger or Browning 22LRs. I also can see many after market parts coming should this be popular and we will see more at SHOT Show soon.
      If you have the funds, purchase the GSG or SW22 but if you only have for one or the other, my money would be on the SW22.
      Just my opinion, do as you like but just thought I would give my 32 bits having had a chance to shoot the SW22.

      • Cymond

        See, I already have a bull-barreled Ruger Mk3 that I paid a lot to have threaded (5 years ago, before factory threaded barrels were available). It has Volquartsen internals, too.
        I also have a Walther P22 and a very rare 8.5” threaded TacSol Paclite (incomplete, needs the lower half).
        At this point, I’m only shopping for niche rimfire pistols like the GSG and Lite Rugers.

  • Treyh007

    Looks similar to Ruger’s Mark Auto’s…… Im a 22lr and S&W fan so bring it on, I’m wondering how sales will do being the Ruger Mark class is in almost all firearm enthusiast homes already?

  • Kivaari

    Are they still made of zinc? The first M22A I ever saw had a broken buffer, new out of the box. Once I saw how poorly made they were I never ordered another one. Junk having a name like Smith and Wesson on it is still junk.

    • Fred Johnson

      S&W’s website claims stainless steel, even for the frame. I’d guess the frame and other tidbits are MIM, but I’d be okay with that in this gun.

  • hikerguy

    It looks vaguely familiar somehow…

  • Sianmink

    Boy howdy that is one ugly pistol.

    if they had made the bull barrel squared off, it would fit the rest of the look and be ok.

  • Surfgun

    Well guys it may be time to order an M41 now, as folks retire, this most likely will be the only S&W .22 auto loader.

  • Critter

    Why was the 22A discontinued?

  • This ad is poorly written.

  • iksnilol

    I like the idea of the easily changed barrel. Does it return to zero? Or are the sights on the barrel?

    • Fred Johnson

      In the video, the barrel and receiver come off the gun with the takedown screw. The sights appear to stay in place.

  • joshv06

    5.5″ barrel? You would be on the fence of the sound barrier. Some would be super sonic. Why? What’s accurate about being supersonic then going through the transonic wobble? Pointless. 4.5″ barrels 4 lyfe.

  • Nocternus

    I’ll stick with my S&W K-22 6″ thanks.

    • datimes

      My first handgun when I was 16. Wish I had it today.

  • DW

    If someone wants a .22 space gun the U22 neos is the way to go.
    Hell, it even has factory carbine conversion kit.

    • junyo

      Had a carbine kit. Good luck finding one.

      • Fred Johnson

        Had is the word. I can’t remember the last time any carbine kits were in stock in the USA. Maybe 2011?

        • junyo

          IIRC they got held up over Beretta’s trepidation over the whole SBR thing and by the time it cleared they just seemed to not care anymore. Which is a shame because it really is an underrated pistol.

          • Fred Johnson

            It’s a shame. The Neos carbine kit makes an average plinker pistol so much better. Except for the safety location, I like the hell out of the one I got in 2011. It’s short, it’s light, and it is surprisingly accurate considering the 16″ barrel is only held on with a thumb wheel nut.

            I guess the only current option is the Buck Mark rifle.

  • datimes

    I have a Colt Woodsman I got from my father that was made in the early 50’s I’ve had for nearly 40 years. Great gun and I cant imagine ever buying another .22 pistol.

  • MR

    Looks like a purpose-built 22lr production target pistol to me. Not exactly pretty, but that’s not what it’s designed for. Have to see what they go for when they hit the LGS.

  • CR

    Manufacturers need to realize if they want to get the next generation of shooters into the sport they’re going to have to ramp up production of 22lr ammo and lower prices. At $50 a brick of ammo at retail many families and young shooters are turning to other pastimes for fun. The industry should be looking at this issue as a priority, before they lose half a generation of young shooters.

  • Colt

    Could S&W have made this 22a replacement any more ugly? Seriously what we’re they thinking?;

  • raven28690

    Looking forward to this gun. Owned Ruger Single Six, MK II’s, MK III’s, GSG 1911, and really like the features and the way the Victory disassembles moreso than any of the other available 22’s.
    The only negative I see is 22 ammo is still very hard to find in stores in my area and if you do run across it, the price is inflated.

  • Mystick

    Looks like a fancied-up Ruger clone…

  • 2ThinkN_Do2

    Looks like a cross between the Buckmark and the Ruger 22’s, not better than either though and no need or desire for one of them.

  • Lt_Scrounge

    Oh yippee another 22lr pistol with a price tag as high or higher than a center fire one. Why would someone spend $400 for one of these with all of the sub $300 22lr pistols that are currently on the market? It’s not a high end target pistol, so why pay the extra money for what is essentially a plinker or small game pistol? These manufacturers need to take a long look at the market place before they start coming out with these price points. I work in marketing and just shake my head when I see what some of these corporate executives are doing to their companies. The old S&W 22 pistol that this is replacing sold for under $300. It probably didn’t sell well because it was ugly as sin. This one is a bit better looking than the old one, but not worth the difference in cost between it and one of the various GSG European made 22lr pistols on the market.

    • TSA_TheSexualAssault

      A used MkII or MkIII in blued steel will be cheap enough for you. Get new magazines.

  • Wingbert

    Why does every other 22pistol looks like it was invented during WW2?

    • maodeedee

      “Why does every other 22pistol looks like it was invented during WW2?”

      This one doesn’t. it looks like a Ruger Mk I. That was invented during the Korean war which was copy of a luger which was invented prior to world war I and was one of the most beautiful looking guns ever made.

      The Colt woodsman was another beautiful gun made long ago and they would have been better off to make a close copy of that but using modern manufacturing methods and a similar take-down system as this new gun has.

  • maodeedee

    Life is too short to own an ugly gun. Couldn’t they at least make it LOOK like the classic model 41?

  • uisconfruzed

    The camo helps hide how ugly she really is. I had a S&W 22 auto pistol, it was so unreliable I got rid of it within six months. Bought a MKII Comp Slab Side & still like it so much I wouldn’t cut the barrel for my can, so I bought a MKIII, Lovin’ it!

  • Adam

    People want too sook about ammo prices… Get a group together, advertise and IMPORT a container. theres dozens of manufacturers around the world who manufacturer 22LR..

  • Cotter Sayre

    From the look of this Smith, I don’t think Ruger has too much to worry about in the low cost .22LR pistol market.

  • The Brigadier

    $409 is pretty steep for such a light caliber pistol, The Browning is the best bang for your buck and I’ve owned three Ruger’s Mark pistols including one with a 5″ bull barrel. I’m glad to see S&W enter this market, but fiber optic sights, fancy camo paint and adjustable trigger pull adds a lot of cost. How much would a simple blued model with decent basic sights and average pull run? Apparently a more basic one is not being built, but .22’s are good for basic practice to keep your skills up and they don’t need these expensive enhancements. Too bad they are focusing only on the expensive target competition crowd. Oh well there is still Ruger and Browning that will provide us with what we need.


    once again…a supposedly new pistol..Victory .22 L. R. ….this is the time to introduce an ambidextrous magazine release similar to the 1911 magazine catch….instead old 1911 style ” The NEW Victory model S&W has offered the same old heel block pivoting magazine retainer…cheaper ? and most disappointing…also screws to retain barrel ? how long will that screw last before it is worn to useless state….better a frame which handles a barrel via a barrel extension using interrupted threads ala artillery guns…
    grips seem straight from their cheapie .22 …WHY not the frame same as the target pistol S&W made…the Model 41 or 46 ? magazine retainer and magazine would be same…darn good quality !!! Stainless steel yes !!

  • Mark

    I wouldn’t call it ugly at all…if it is accurate, reliable and easy to maintain then for a .22 plinker it’s up there with the Buckmark and overtakes the Rug-oh-shit-there-goes-my-fingernail in many respects.

  • timothius

    Nice looking pistol. I already have a “buckMark” and this is very close the the buckmarks appearance. The grip looks thick and rectangular. I think I’ll pass.

  • Annpu Vicerpu

    Happy to see a new .22 target pistol, thinking I may order one this week while supply and price is good. I have a Buckmark, a beautiful and accurate piece, interesting to see if the SW22 is as accurate. Supply of .22 LR still fluctuates, but pricing is improving. What was 2.99/50 is now about 5.49/50. Not horrible considering the state of things in the U.S. Do wish .22 WMR would come back down though. Some of that is nearly $30 for a 50 round box. Twice the cost of 9mm? WOW! Anyway, new firearms means renewed interest, so Ruger, S&W and the rest… keep ’em coming!