Virgina Rescinds CCW Reciprocity

Washington Post announced that Virginia Attorney General Mark R. Herring announced that they will be no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits. This affects 25 states. Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah. Six states will sever their reciprocity immediately as they require mutual recognition of permits. Those states are Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.

Visitors to Virginia can still carry guns openly or obtain a nonresident permit if they meet the standards set forth in the law for residents.

Herring’s rationale is to close off a work around for VA residents who have a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment. People with these conditions would be prevented from obtaining a concealed carry permit. However they could go get a non-resident permit from another state with lax laws.

We all know this won’t stop criminals. But more importantly this will affect law abiding citizens. So if you plan to visit Virginia anytime in the near future, make sure that you can conceal carry legally.

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  • Harrison Jones

    The idea of stopping the workaround doesn’t hold up. Why stop NC? NC doesn’t even have a non resident permit option as they offer recripocity to all concealed weapon permit holders. The way NC law reads if you could obtain a permit in another nation you may even be allowed to carry. There is an all day class with live fire and an extensive background check. I’m an NC resident who regularly visits Virginia as it’s 3 miles away form my house.

    I’m sure other states aren’t loose on their regulations either. This is a bunch of political BS.

    Might be time to get a Utah permit. I hope this is reversed quickly.

    • Walt the Salt II

      As a PA resident, this sucks for me. I go to VA quite often and always liked having the option to carry.

      • JLR84

        I’m a PA resident as well. I would suggest applying for a Utah non-resident permit, as that appears to be one of the ones that Virginia will continue to recognize.

        I got a Utah non-resident permit a few years back, to allow me to carry in Ohio. Being from the Pittsburgh Metro, the Ohio border is less than an hour away, so it was kind of important.

        Earlier this year Ohio made that unnecessary by finally recognizing permits from Pennsylvania, which made my Utah permit much less valuable. It regains it’s value by keeping me legal in Virginia.

    • RICH

      You have to vote in some conservatives that are Pro-Gun ! !

      • Harrison Jones

        I live in NC so that doesn’t help me and I’m good family friends with the district state representative who is very pro gun and our district senator is pro gun too. So I’ve done my voting duty. And the current reps in Washington at the federal level are pretty good on gun rights.

  • Count_Iblis

    Just the first step. Next will be to further restrict their own residents to the point where basically no one qualifies for a carry permit, like NJ.

    • RICH

      The only individuals in every state that are EXEMPT from having a concealed carry permit are the CRIMINALS ! ! How can we wake these liberal anti-gun people up ? ? ?

      • Count_Iblis

        They don’t care, gun control is about control, not crime. Never has been.

        • RICH

          AMEN ! It’s all about ‘total’ government control…… they could really care less about the crime stats. If our government is ever able to disarm the citizens they will then have ‘total control’ over us. May God never let that happen….! ! !

          • Tom Tomas

            Im working to ensure that you are not made naked and defenseless its a nazi like agenda

        • Esh325

          You don’t have to be a criminal to use a gun improperly.

          • GenEarly

            No, just an ignorant Prog Putz like you

      • BR549

        Liberals need gun control, not to keep society safe, but because they, themselves, are totally inept or inexperienced with firearms and think that leveling the playing field will somehow make them feel safer. They don’t trust themselves not to shoot their foot off, so best to take guns away from people who do have the knowledge and discipline ……. just in case.

    • And remember the libs don’t think that self defense is a valid reason for gun ownership either

    • Esh325

      If you step outside your little paranoid bubble you live in, you would realize a great portion of the world doesn’t carry guns around for self defense and they are doing just fine, or even better than the USA with regards to having less gun deaths and people misusing them. To me it’s not about being “anti-gun” or “pro-gun” it’s about common sense. And it’s a stupid idea in most cases to allow people to walk around carrying guns.

      • Lew Siffer

        We do not want to do “just fine.” We want freedom.

        • Esh325

          Other countries do have freedom. Freedom to not get shot by a deranged gunman that goes to a school.

          • Lew Siffer

            And you have the freedom to move there where you will be “safe.” Bye.

      • Phillip Cooper

        Remember this when you’re overrun with “refugees” raping your women and children.

        • Esh325

          lol okay buddy.

      • Rock or Something

        I think you seriously over-estimate the number of conceal carry holder with a permit that are involved in any crimes, particularly ones involving firearms.

        But, judging from your statement, you seem to make a difference between crimes committed with firearms and with any other means. Because, taken as a whole, the murder rate in the U.S. is actually quite low compared to other countries, developed or otherwise. I would think common sense would dictate that being shot to death is no worse then being beaten or stabbed to death.

        • Esh325

          Maybe you seriously over estimate the possibility of needing to carry a gun for self defense? You can run away from a man with a bat or knife, try to outrun a bullet.

  • Frank

    One wonders if Herring is paying back a campaign donor or if he is positioning himself for future donors. In any case, Democrats will be Democrats.

    • RICH

      Amen Brother…..!

    • toms

      Carpet bagging A-hole’s. Mcstain is a pimple on the ass of Virginia. Nothing but a New york Clinton facilitator. I can’t believe that they hate gun owners so much that they are willing to throw away their careers away over little BS like this. One thing is for sure he is done in Virginia.

      • GenEarly

        Northern Va. is just an extension of DC and very Feral gov. employee populated. I wouldn’t ass-ume anything. Md used to have common sense 50 yrs ago too.

    • Sig_Sauer

      His sugar daddy donor is Michael Bloomberg.

  • Walt the Salt II

    Does anyone know why the states that maintain reciprocity do so?

    • USMC03Vet

      Michigan has handgun registration.

  • Craig Kleemann

    As a VA resident who was about to take advantage of this workaround (via an AZ permit), I’m particularly annoyed. The VA permit prohibits certain individuals (myself included) for reasons completely unrelated to due process. Weak.

    • Jim Scrummy

      Get the Utah Permit. You will need to take the class for it. Plenty of Utah instructors in VA. I’m screwed because I travel back and forth from VA to PA, and now have to find a PA Sheriff who will issue a non-residential PA Permit. Plus I also travel to Florida on a semi-regular basis. Now I need a Florida Non-Resident Permit. It’s crapola what this Bloomberg lackey did. Remember, he was only elected AG by a little over 160 votes (and that was suspect).

      • Craig Kleemann

        To get a non-resident Utah permit you have to already have a permit in your state. Already looked at it.

        • Jim Scrummy

          You may have to look at a Texas Permit? Just a suggestion, not sure of your status in VA (which is a fairly simple permit to get…right now) to disqualify you. Not sure what the legislature could do other than zero-out the AG’s operating budget, to change his mind. That could be interesting.

          • Craig Kleemann

            Checked myself into rehab a couple years ago- Virginia won’t let anyone who’s had voluntary residential treatment of any kind have a permit with 5 years. That’s what I meant by due process having nothing to do with it.

          • Jim_Macklin

            The law in most states requires a court order with evidence, testimony and competent legal representation.
            A law suit should over turn that and other too broad infringements.

          • Craig Kleemann

            agreed, now just to find a lawyer who wants to file the suit…

          • Jim_Macklin

            The Legislature is always superior to an AG opinion. Passage of a law amendment that says Virginia honors ALL state issued licenses that include a fingerprint and FBI background check and a photograph.

      • Jim_Macklin

        You aren’t suggesting that Bloomberg’s billions and DNC might actually do voter fraud? Surly you jest!

        “I shocked, shocked you hear, that elections are not always honest and open.”

        • Jim Scrummy

          Yes, “magically” a 1000 votes showed up in Fairfax County (in the Seven Corners/Fall Church area), that gave the current AG the win. That area of Fairfax has plenty of legal and illegal immigrants. Surprise surprise it’s one of Fairfax County’s high crime areas… I know you are as “shocked” as I am about these “revelations”.

  • John

    What a lying moron. They know this will do nothing to stop criminals but it puts out the image that Virginia is not a gun-friendly state anymore. Great going jackass, you just made your state MORE dangerous. Enjoy your false sense of security.

    • Phillip Cooper

      I have a dear friend that lives there. Told him about this when I saw it come over the wire… (he’s a CA transplant) his lemming-like response was “it’ll get challenged in court and overturned”.

      Really? Like Obamacare, or any of a number of other BS laws I’m too pissed off to mention at the moment?

      • Cymond

        That response is because court challenges are basically the only way to challenge what happens in CA, and the legislature in CA is so out of control that their laws are often blatantly unconstitutional, even to their own judges.

  • Lew Siffer

    All 25 of those states should stop accepting Virginia drivers licenses because their standards are not the same. Start arresting every Virginia driver on I95.

    • USMC03Vet

      Agreed. They want to play stupid games, we can play stupid games.

      Still can vote without a license, can’t use constitution rights with a license.

    • KestrelBike

      Plz don’t arrest me : (

    • Jim_Macklin

      Federal law requires that you can have only ONE drivers license and every State must honor others State licenses.
      California has a much stricter drivers license requirement and test than Montana or Wyoming. When a driver from Montana rents a car in LA, if they are able to drive one day without getting lost, being in an accident and needing psychiatric counseling and treatment…
      A Federal Reciprocity law would result in all 50 State AGs meeting in conference and then the States legislatures would make the Use of Force Laws, Stand your ground [already been upheld by SCOUS 100 years ago] and Castle Doctrine more uniform.

      • Lew Siffer

        Virginia does not have to obey Federal law. They can just ignore and subvert it. If you do not know what MASSIVE RESISTANCE was please look into it.

  • Geoffry K

    I’m in South Carolina. Before this I could carry concealed all the way to Ohio to visit my Father, now I will carry openly all the way, as soon as I cross into North Carolina on I-77.
    Yeah, Virginia, you screwed up. Now all those open carry people will scare the S*** out of the P****Y Democrats.

  • JLR84

    > Herring’s rationale is to close off a work around for VA residents who have a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health treatment.

    If this were a genuine concern, it’s simple enough to require that Virginia residents have a Virginia permit, but allow non-Virginia residents to continue carrying with their out of state permits.

    That’s what Pennsylvania AG Kathleen Kane did in a similar move a few years back, in declaring that Pennsylvania residents cannot carry on non-residents permits from Florida or Arizona or Virginia.

    I didn’t necessarily support that either, but at least she didn’t decide to stop honoring permits form those states all together.

    • Jim_Macklin

      “Herring’s rationale is to close off a work around for VA residents who
      have a history of stalking, drug dealing or inpatient mental health
      Such people are already Federal Prohibited Persons

  • Don Ward

    Sadly, this is a situation where I see the Federal Government getting involved some point in the future with an eventual 5-4 Supreme Court decision. That’s always a nerve wracking thing which I never look forward to.

    • Jim_Macklin

      The HELLER and McDonald decisions are always at risk, with or without a Federal Reciprocity law.
      But such a laws as proposed does not grant the feds to set standards, only states will do that.
      But a state will be required to honor the license issued by any other state.

      U. S. Constitution
      Article IV
      Section 1.
      Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records,
      and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

      • GenEarly

        Comrade that no longer applies in the USSA. Homosexual marriage requires full faith and credit, but not gunz. And while some states have and will turn on their own citizens, it’s better than getting the Ferals involved because then we are ALL going to be forced to the alter of political correct tyranny and no gunz, no where.

        • Jim_Macklin

          I am not a “comrade” and I am a citizen born and raised in the United States. Most of my grade school teachers were WWII veterans who landed on D-Day and fought at Bastogne.
          To a man they said “it could not happen here because Americans were armed and the government was afraid because Americans would reject, by force if necessary, any dictatorship.”
          Turn in your driver’s license or get one in every state, get married in each state, run your own radio and TV on any frequency/channel you want, the air belongs to each of us.
          There a dozen states that will never honor the right to self-defense and the weapons necessary to avail that right.
          Kansas required residents to have a Kansas CCH until last year. Now ANY person 21 or older, who legally possess a handgun can carry it IN KANSAS. But Kansas still issues the CCH and it is necessary for those who travel.
          But since “modern” gun control was designed to encourage crime because the authority to issue a license or deny was based on the Sullivan Law which was written so members of the Irish Five Points [NYC] gang could get permits and rival gang members be denied a license.
          NY, MD, RI,CT,NJ,CA,HI, MA,DE are not likely to every adopt reciprocity. Illinois, Oregon, Maine and New Hampshire will come around within a few years when the residents see that public safety is increased when honest citizens are armed.
          In the USA there is voter fraud, which is most often in places such as Chicago where the political machine is Democrat.
          The “old established Republicans” are as willing to violate laws in order to retain power by cooperation with the Democrats. I told Bob Dole, face to face, that his job as Senate Minority or Majority Leader was to block bad legislation, not work to pass as many laws as possible. I told him “he had snatched defeat from the jaws of victory” which is why he did not get re-elected.

          • GenEarly

            I had replied earlier but it seems not to have posted. I was being sarcastic with the “comrade” because of the “ussa” comment.
            Bob Dole sure must have met something in DC that scared him more than a german machine gun nest to sell out like he did.
            and the Repubs have cowed to the DemocRats since Hoover, imo.

          • Jim_Macklin

            I searched the page for USSA and it appears only in your two posts.
            Bob Dole spent decades in D.C. as a second class Senator, being a Republican. He was Majority Leader a few times, but developed a habit pattern.
            When the 1994 Congress elected Republicans to the majority in the House [The Gingrich Contract With America] the Republicans reacted by being “fair” because they had been treated so badly in committee assignments and Rules.
            But until Congress has a veto proof majority Republican voting block they are powerless to do major things until the POTUS changes.

          • GenEarly

            Chamberpot Repubs even with a super majority will be schlonged by the DemocRats.
            Repubs always treat their DemocRat friends Fair.
            Sen. Mitchy McCuckold hasn’t reinstated the Harry Reid “nuclear option”….Why?????

  • Martin Grønsdal

    So. Let us assume I can open carry, or CC. I want to pick up my kids at their school, then a friend at the airport. After that I would have to visit a federal building, and finish the day with a beer.

    Better leave the gun at home? Or what do I do?

    • Jim_Macklin

      Current Federal GFSZ law does not know or recognize reciprocity. A Kansas CCH is an exception to GFSZ only in Kansas. That also must change as part of a National Reciprocity law or as a stand-alone revision to Title 18§922(q).

    • Lew Siffer

      Hypothetical…you are a German in 1939 and the law says you must gas a Jewish 6-year old…what do you do? Point is, some laws are immoral…if you let them put your child at risk, it is on you…

      • Martin Grønsdal

        I inquired about apples, and you questioned oranges?

        • Lew Siffer

          I apologize for giving you a confusing answer to “what do I do,” let me be clear: Carry your gun anyway. If you are arrested, get the NRA to help defend you, and try to get the law ruled unconstitutional. If you fail, do your time and keep fighting, in and then out of jail. Martin Luther King is an American hero but he was arrested many times and spent time in jail before the immoral laws were ruled unconstitutional. Rosa Parks set the example for us. Disobey. Do we have her courage, or are we all talk?

      • Jim_Macklin

        Hypothetical, you are an American GI and a General orders you to kill all the children in a school. Or you are an American General and the POTUS sends you an order to confiscate all the guns from American citizens and legal resident aliens, by force if necessary, what do you do?
        Just a point, enlisted swear an oath to obey the lawful orders of the CiC [POTUS] and the officers in the chain of command above him and to defend the US Constitution. But Officers only swear to support and defend the US Constitution.
        But all American enlisted and officers, all public officials, all LEOs, all swear to support and defend the Constitution.
        And only legally valid laws may be enforced and each person gets to decide. Either way you decide you might face a trial. Follow the wrong order and you commit a war crime. Don’t follow it and you might be committing a crime.

  • RICH


  • Cannoneer No. 4

    FIREARMSNOTPOLITICS needs to come off your blog title. You people can’t go a week without mentioning politics.

    • Lew Siffer

      You are not interested in politics…unfortunately for you, politics is interested in you…and I think that going a whole week without mentioning politics is miraculous.

    • DaveP.

      In before some jerk posts a “OOGA BOOGA THAT’S POLITICS!!!!” …oh wait.

    • Nicholas Chen

      You are reading what you want to read. I did not talk about politics. This is about a change in law. Very different things and important to inform the public.

      • Cymond

        No laws changed, which would take an act of the legislature (which itself is made up of politicians).
        This was the politically-motivated decision of one person.

        If that ain’t politics …

    • Jim Scrummy

      Politics happens, unfortunately. Not so much here. Plenty of places where you can find the politics with guns on the interwebz. This was an FYI post.

      It’s crappy for me, because I live in VA, and didn’t pull the lever for these “fine people” who like to excrement on the 1st and 2nd Amendments. Hopefully, it is a wake up call for people in other states as to what can happen.

    • Rock or Something

      It’s an important news item. I sometimes visit VA and conceal carry with my AZ permit (one of the states VA revoked reciprocity with). If I had visited AZ like I had originally planned to recently and CCed like normal, I would have been breaking the law and not even known it. Luckily, I saw this news somewhere else.

      But hey, if you don’t like the perceived political angle from it, take it up with the VA Attorney General. He’s the one that decided to make it a political issue.

  • Jim_Macklin

    There is a bright spot in this action by the State of Virginia and the AG.
    We know his rational is bogus and so the Legislature may override his opinion.
    But even more, reciprocity is now national news which means that National Reciprocity has a far better chance of passage, certainly after January 20, 2017. But even Obama might sign a reciprocity bill that was supported by the CCW/CCH license holders, the NRA and the 25 State AGs that were just dissed.

  • RicoSuave

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Fairfax County which is pretty solidly Blue now makes some legislation restricting some other firearm related ownership.

    • James Brown

      They cant. Only the state can pass laws like that in virginia, thank god

  • dindooeynuffinz

    so if you have a Utah non resident its still valid in VA? …. anyway , whatever.. his excuse is completely assbackwards and i dont know who he thinks is falling for it

    • Craig Kleemann

      If you’re a VA resident with a Utah non-resident permit you already have a VA permit.

  • Mystick

    How is it that an AG has this much power?

  • MrSatyre

    For those of you not residing in VA, please visit in droves and carry openly. Nothing would piss off the current dictator and his chief henchman than a bunch of law-abiding out-of-staters displaying their guns.

  • ozzallos .

    Because criminals obey the laws. Good job, Herring.

  • Tom Tomas

    The protection I put on gun rights will be expanded to ammunition all firearms conponents. Ammunition manufacturers and companies as well. Carolina reaper tounge lava fingers the pale horse nervous breakdown muted tongue deafness blindness nys start will be the first to be permanently embalmed and tightly sealed. All agendas targeting the peoples rights to be arms all agendas that are trying to strip or render we yhe people defenseless starting now instantly. All components of firearms will be included as well including black powder. And materials used to make ammo every state will be covered.

  • Keith Stillwagon

    Guess I should skirt around Virginia my next trip up north. I live in Florida. Shame on you, Virginia.

  • McThag

    Of the five remaining, do they have a requirement that you have a permit from your home state too?

    I know that the Utah permit class I just took mentioned that if my home state was shall issue, then I needed a home state permit for my Utah permit to be valid.

    Anyone know about the other four states that are still good?

  • RWE

    The Constitution IS our “Carry Permit”. Actually just enumerates a Natural Right. As for all of those that say no right is absolute. I agree…….Murder, rape, robbery….You name the forcible felony, are all outside of the law already. The tool is irrelevant. How hard is this to comprehend?

  • LAMan

    Great work! I just called and left a message there, thanks to you providing the number. Of course it was professional (if somewhat distant, formal, and adamant in tone).

    I’m a historian and retired Army officer, and my family goes back (at least) to 1690’s Virginia, so I feel the pain on several levels. Virginia was the birthplace of the South, and prominent in the birth of these United States of America. What Virginia does is still important to the entire country.

    I’ll contact Louisiana’s political leadership to help ensure this problem registers on their radar.

  • Kjell T. Ring

    Has Virginia had big problems with hoards of legal out-of-state concealed carry permit holders coming into their state and murdering, robbing or otherwise terrorizing the good citizens of Virginia? I don’t recall reading any news about that.

    Sounds to me that he is trying to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.

  • smartacus

    Why is it so taboo to imprison unconstitutional public office holder.

  • Laserbait

    Yep, because we all know people with mental issues and criminals ALWAYS wait to get a carry permit before carrying a gun.

    • Sig_Sauer

      In anti-gun, anti-2A states there are three class of people that can obtain a carry permit:

      1. politicians and those politically connected
      2. the very rich
      3. every thug, criminal and gang banger

      Law-abiding citizens need not apply.

  • Dan

    I think its funny that people are giving Virginia flak. Because there is no set standard you have places that have murky levels of training and background checks, states with no requirements for any training or permits at all, and states with much stricter enforcement in regards to training and backgrounds. Your not law abiding if your not following your states laws. So Virginia must be having enough of an issue with its own residents carrying that technically should not be that they decided to shut some other states down. Maybe oh idk its time to have a national conceal carry requirement where you take a class and get your background cleared and given your license. This way you simply conceal carry in any state but just follow the laws of the state you travel to. Any time you travel for any reason you are suppose to know the laws of the place you are traveling to anyway. It is not just in firearms. I am a little confused on what the issue is here? I guess its too hard to figure out a middle ground anymore.

  • Core

    We all know crazy people and violent criminals will abide by this law. What an idiot. I guess this is one of those I’ll cover my backside with a political diaper moments.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    Virginia has a large and very active pro-2A community. It’s time for them to organize and get this fixed in their legislature.

    I hear many people say that we need a national concealed carry law to fix problems like this, but that’s short sighted. When has the federal government ever been a friend of an armed citizenry? The ink on the Bill of Rights was still wet when some federal big government cheese weenie was trying to smudge the second amendment off the hemp paper. You can be certain that empowering the federal government to tell states what their concealed carry laws will be will result in an immediate loss of gun rights for the half of us who live in relatively free states as part of the great federal compromise to “harmonize” the state gun laws, but after that we’ll all be subjected to a cumulative ongoing curtailment of our right to keep and bear arms. Don’t be conned into thinking that your enemy is your savior.

    It’s time for the people in Virginia to look at their state flag and understand the meaning of Sic Semper Tyrannis. “Thus, always to tyrants.” Tyranny is not something to be accommodated, or accepted, or negotiated. Tyranny is something to oppose.


  • John Yossarian

    But at least Virginia allows open carry. So when we drive through or visit the state, let’s just carry them loud and proud.

  • William Wallace

    Does anyone who writes for this blog proof read anymore? I know it’s not the editor, his grammar is atrocious. Author, please take note: “they will be no longer recognize out-of-state concealed handgun permits”. Should this not read “they will be no longer RECOGNIZING”? Or perhaps “They will no longer “RECOGNIZE”? This is 3rd grade English people. No wonder this country is being taken over by the Chinese, they speak English better than Americans.

  • Hensley Beuron Garlington

    Stupid tailholes thinking ink on paper will protect their citizens.