This photo was shared on a Facebook Group. This is what happens to firearm components when they are destroyed. However, the poster said someone improperly demilled some firearms and he retrieved this lump of metal from the dumpster. He uses it as a paper weight. I wonder how he knew they were improperly demilled and how did he know to go dumpster diving? Perhaps he was a party to the demilling process? Seeing this image saddens me but it would be a cool lump of metal to have. I can only recognize the pieces of three AR-15 bolts. Do you recognize anything else?


  • Jack Morris

    That’s probably $400 worth of materials and machining hours down the drain. And probably for some political agenda. Lame.

    • go4it

      Retail might be 400 for four – depending upon the brand name. Actual manufacturing costs would horrify you (at how unbelievably high the mark-up is!)

      • Jack Morris

        Any idea what the markup actually is? I have always wondered.
        I know it takes time and fancy equipment to do the pressure testing, shot peening, and MPI, but I’ve always though $100 for such a small component was really steep.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Its a small component that does a lot of functions though.

          • iksnilol

            Motherboards aren’t big either, yet are pretty expensive.

        • go4it

          First off, there is very little “precision machining” required on either the bolt itself or the bolt carrier; basically, the bore into the bolt carrier must be fairly precise as it is the cylinder for the bolt gas rings to “seal”.

          So the overall machining on many surfaces is a notch above “down and dirty”. Simply looking at the bolt itself, it is far from a thing of machining expertise; it doesn’t have to be.

          The exterior of bolt carriers are almost always nicely finished – for appearance sake. The grooves on the underside – in contact with the Upper receiver – must be quite smooth! (Not difficult!)

          By weight, both parts represent – perhaps – 2 or 3 dollars (if that!) of high-quality, documented tool steel.

          The maching costs – start to finish – the “labor and burden” – represent the highest cost to both parts. Depending upon what part of the country they’re machined – major metropolitan areas typically pay higher wages – it wouldn’t surprise me to see both parts machined and de-burred – ready for hardening & surface finishing, testing and ready to package – for 15 -18 dollars additional.

          Hardening, testing, etc. adds a couple of bucks – if that – because the testing in strictly “hand labor”. The hardening, quenching and annealing is done in large lots; what, 50 cents to a dollar per part? It would shock me if it was that high.

          I’d bet a large sum of money that a high-quality, MIL-spec M16-profile BCG as found in a pretty high-end AR15 – complete, HP & MPI tested – has no more actual “cost” in it than 18-24 dollars. And I’m sure that’s actually on the high side but I’m erring to the side of generosity.

          A shop that really concentrates ONLY on making bolts and carriers spits these things out faster – and in better quality – than I’m estimating so there’s more of “our cut of the pie” driving up the price the end-user sees ….

          • Edeco

            Yep. I wouldn’t explain it that well, but assuming they were rightly owned by whoever did it, the destruction of value here doesn’t bother me.

      • RICH

        It’s only the government that pays the ” unbelievably high mark up” ! the parts are now made at a reasonable cost by various ‘private manufactures’. The ‘G’ pays the mega bucks because it’s not coming out of their pocket…… it comes out of ‘OUR’ pocket via taxes ! ! That’s why the POTUS can take his family on ‘Million dollar’ vacations….. he damn sure isn’t paying for it ! Just sayin’………..

        • Evan

          The Marine Corps paid about $1500 for an M16A4 from FN when I was in (03-07). That’s comparable to the price of an FN AR on the civilian market, especially when you remember that the M16A4 had the select fire ability and whatnot. Not really all that much of a mark up.

          • A civilian is buying one. Big G is buying thousands so that just shows how poor the negotiating skills are in this situation.

        • FightFireJay

          They are also paying for extreme levels of QC and the support parts chain that goes with it.

  • KoyoteTan

    All the lost human capital that went into making those, just to throw away… And for what, so that the private market can just make the identical bolts to sell. I would have loved to own 4 spare surplus bolts. I could go to the range, fire 500 rounds, yank the BCG, drop in another clean one, repeat. That ticks me off the waste of these environmentally conscious Prius drivers throwing all that labor and material away.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Maybe they were damaged or defective or otherwise unsafe.
      And I doubt that those items were previously owned by hippie Prius drivers.

      • Dan

        Exactly, no need getting our panties in a twist until we know why they were destroyed

      • KoyoteTan

        Hippie Prius drivers owning them is not the problem. It is Hippie Enviros also being hippie anti-gunners who are pandered to by politicians and bureaucrats who have increasingly shutdown the surplus pipeline to the public. I do know whether they would have worked for one thing which is cool militaria for people to buy and put to use however they wanted, buying back from the government that took their money to make them. I own many magazines that a soldier friend of mine dumpster dove to retrieve when he was told the NG where he was stationed would not do surplus sales of them. Only a few don’t work and those I use as a vise block for cleaning my ARs.

        • MR

          Maybe that’s what’s meant by “not properly demilled”. Perhaps they would have been sold as memorabilia if the demill process had been successfully executed. But since some aspect was lacking, they had to be scrapped.

      • rt66paul

        Although it is sad, the “hippie Prius driver” that turned in the firearm that he owned to be smashed is just fine by me. The problem is the people that want to take from others to fullfill thier dream of utopia. They are welcome to purchase thier utopia, band together and put a big fence around it(in effect, a private city). They can declare a gun free zone, they are free to hire guards with guns to guard thier city. I promise, as long as they pay for thier private paradise, I will not enter it with any firearmsI don’t think I would want to go there, either).

    • Mike11C

      Don’t knock a Prius until you’ve driven one. I drive a Ford F350 with a 7.3 liter diesel but, my wife drives a Prius V. We got it mainly because it gets 44 mpg back when gas was around $4 a gallon but, also it’s great for taking family trips. We did not get it because of liberal fake ass “climate change”. Neither of us hand EVER voted for a democrat.

      • Buying a Prius for the right reasons and then trying to convince everyone as such is going to be an uphill battle, my friend. Personally, in your situation I’d opt for something without the hippie stigma like a Ford C-Max.

      • KoyoteTan

        No problem with a prius. I have a problem with people who ascribe morality to it.

  • Anomanom

    Improperly demilled? It looks like those bolts are well on past demilled. I’m not sure how much more destroyed they could be unless you melted them into liquid.

    • Christopher Edward Penta

      To keep them from ever hurting anyone again we need to maintain their temperature at 2000 degrees C to ensure that they can’t freeze into a solid and be made into another gun.

      This is the commonsense answer.

      • RICH

        BUT……. someone could use this ‘Mass of Metal’ as a bludgeon and beat someone else with it. We better restrict all posession of ‘LUMPS OF MELTED METAL’ as they are dangerous….. WTF people ! ?

        • rt66paul

          it’s for the children……

      • Anomanom

        Actually, i was seriously curious as to why it would be described as “improperly demilled”. Or what would then constitute “properly demilled”.

        • MR

          BATFE requires certain cuts, deformations, whatever their cold little hearts desire, to consider firearms pieces properly demilled. The parts could be totally destroyed, but if the proper procedure wasn’t followed, they aren’t “demilled”.

  • go4it

    I see remnants of 4 ….

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    First question: What was he doing in the dumpster?

  • USMC03Vet

    There is a breathe napalm and poop bolt groups joke in there somewhere.

  • Colby

    Looks just like tyranny.

    What I see makes the same amount of sense as burning money that might have been, or someday might potentially be, used in some unlawful transaction.

    • Cal S.

      Unless they were just bolts that had run the course of their service life?

      • Josh

        Considering it was just tossed in a dumpster, wasting a perfectly good block of bolt quality steel, this is still a massive waste.

        • MR

          Perhaps he meant “scrap steel hopper”. In which case, he’s stealing from whoever owns the hopper (his employer, the government, the American taxpayer…). Not much, maybe, but I’ve seen people get fired over less.

  • Keith R

    For stuff as eeeevil as gun parts, Mount Doom is the only way to be sure.

  • Thomas Gomez

    That is a sad sight to see. Those lugs look like they were still in good shape.

  • Michael Hardy

    I see 5 bolts

  • Bill

    Uh, even though I’m sure it’s subcontracted, the .mil doesn’t put .demilled gun parts in a dumpster where someone can collect….paperweights. Probably from a private sector manufacturer who made a small run while dialing in their machine tools, or defective parts that were returned. Hit them with welding torch, parts gone.

  • RICH

    SAD……. VERY, VERY SAD…… ! ! !

  • Cal S.

    Meh. Give me a grinder, I can make them live again!!! *Maniacal laughter*

  • Tom – UK

    Why is this metal not being recycled? I can’t understand how any business would choose to make the effort to partially melt some comparably high quality steel then throw it in a bin. It makes no sense economically or any other way.

    • MR

      He probably meant “scrap steel hopper”, “dumpster” is just the term that came to mind first as he was typing.

  • katy perry

    This looks like an archaeological find future generations would find and ask them self WTF is this? Just as we do today with ancient artifacts from lost cultures.
    The remains of fossilized Freedom.

  • Shawn

    Guys, “Dumpster” does not automatically mean “Landfill”. My company makes steel wood burning stoves, and all the excess metal from the manufacturing process also goes into a “dumpster” which in turn is picked up and taken to a steel company to be melted down and reforged.

  • uisconfruzed

    That ‘lump’ is clearly 5 AR bolts and blobs.
    Easily recognized

  • RPK

    GREED is the downfall of many a man. In this case, one GREEDY act took the whole bunch of you down with him and NO ONE made anything extra. If you have a good thing going and it is legal, best to keep your pie hole shut about it.

  • Steve_7

    Your tax dollars at work.
    No doubt there were plenty of serviceable bolt carriers and bolts (let’s face it, the hardest piece to make) in old M16A1s and A2s but it made more sense to scrap them and buy new, because that’s how the military industrial complex works…