SIG P320 Selected by Hawaii DPS

SIG P320

The SIG SAUER P320 in 9mm was selected as the next duty weapon of the Hawaii Department of Public Safety. Both full size and carry versions are being purchased. The contract calls for more than 700 pistols to be delivered.

Earlier this year, the Oklahoma Highway Patrol announced the agency would move to the P320. Interestingly, occasional TFB writer Aaron suggested the P320 may be the next duty weapon of the FBI based on the way the request for proposal was written. If that proves out, that will be seen as a huge vote of confidence in the platform. Additional contracts will be easier to land with the FBI as a customer.

Hawaii DPS also selected the SIG V-Crown ammunition as the new duty load. The selection of the P320 was likely made on the merits of the platform, but I am less confident that the ammunition was selected for anything other than budgetary reasons.

With proven performers like the Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST, I am unsure what merit-based attributes could have been considered to make the largely unproved V-Crown the best choice. Regardless, this will be an agency to watch in the coming years to see if the ammo performs as it should. I sure hope it does.



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • Green Hell

    I’m currently thinking about moving into US and have no idea what state to choose. Is Hawaii actually livable or it’s like just an expensive tourist attraction?

    • billyoblivion

      Expensive, relatively crowded, horrible gun laws.

      What are you looking for in a place to live?

      • Green Hell

        Looking for a warmth and ocean, so really shame about Californian and Hawaiian gun laws. But as i noticed, pretty much all coastal states are ban states, except Florida, i think. But all that stereotypes i keep hearing about make it sound like Australia – storms, swamps, alligators, snakes, bird sized mosquitos and grumpy flannel wearing people, is it all true?)

        • cwp

          Florida’s a pretty large state and is by no means all swampy alligator hellhole.

          The Carolinas, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, and Texas are all warm-weather states with agreeable firearms laws that have at least some oceanfront shoreline. The parts of Texas that’re on the Gulf aren’t my favorite parts of Texas, but they are there.

          New Hampshire and Maine are both coastal and firearms-friendly, but unfortunately both fail the “warmth” test.

        • I’ve lived in Florida for years, and I can say, while there is some truth to the stereotypes, it’s largely just a joke we share.
          It’s a great state with nice, varied landscapes and a warm climate.
          That said, the Florida Everglades (a protected state park) are pretty much like you imagine.

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            Varied landscape?
            The highest point in the state is 345 feet above seal level.
            If you like strip malls, golf courses, road construction and old people, Florida is for you.

          • Precious Roy

            You forgot the hurricanes.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      If you like guns move to Texas.
      As soon as you buy a house here the governor rides over on his horse and issues you an AK-47.

      • Paul White

        Damnit Abbot, get your butt over here and give me an AK.

      • Green Hell

        I love Texan gun laws and general altitude, but i just can’t live so far from any kind of water.)

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Well we have Galveston pretty close to Houston here. It aint pretty but its water.
          Or the hill country has a lot of really clean nice lakes if youre into small towns.

    • Michael Rice

      Expensive Tourist Attraction. Not sure about the other islands but Oahu is kinda crappy for a gun owner if you’re not a hunter. Most of the restrictive laws pertain to handguns, no conceal carry or open carry (even though it’s technically possible with handguns). No SBRs or ‘pistols’, no silencers, and no Select fire pretty much sums up long gun laws. There’s also only one open air gun range on this island (and a couple indoor ranges), although you ‘could’ go ‘hunting’ up in designated areas, (Damn, my sights must be off, I missed ALL those wild boar I shot at.)

  • John

    Probably politicians are scared after a lot of citizens were evicted from homeless camps, so they’re pushing through new gun sales quickly. That plus ammo at the same time probably ensured this sale.

    The Texas DPS had adopted a Smith and Wesson gun without really evaluating it. Some time later, they recalled those guns on safety issues. I wonder about this Sig as well.

    • Ted Unlis

      You just don’t know what you’re talking about John. The M&P9 was evaluated extensively by TXDPS for more than two years and the pistols provided for testing and evaluation performed well, the problem was that the evaluation was led by one of their Lt’s who was a biased S&W sponsored shooter who should have been excluded from the process.

      Even after TXDPS announced they were adopting the M&P9, there was no mass purchase or contract for replacement of current issue Sig 226 & 229’s, in fact, less than 200 M&P9’s were delivered for issue to trainees going through the DPS Academy, those pistols had serious quality control flaws and failures that previous test & evaluation pistols did not, but since flaws and failures were revealed during recruit training, none of the pistols ever made it to the street for duty carry. TXDPS received a full refund after rejecting and returning the M&P9’s.

      After the unfortunate S&W quality control debacle, pistols from multiple manufacturers were thoroughly tested and evaluated in trials by a large number of rank and file DPS Troopers and instructors from across Texas and the majority selected the Sig P320 as the winner just ahead of the Glock 17 Gen 4. As done previously, DPS wisely opted to issue the P320 to recruits first who will fire well over a thousand rounds during their training which provides ample opportunity to detect any potential quality control issues before duty use.

      If I were a betting man, I wouldn’t bet on Sig ruining their reputation with a quality control melt down like S&W and blow a chance to eventually sell TXDPS over 4000 pistols Like I said, you just don’t know what you’re talking about John.

  • Sgt. Stedenko

    Hire bore axis whining from Blockheads in 3…2…1…

    • Joshua

      High bore Axis actually does matter in firearms.

      It’s not just whining.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        Oh? What are you split time deltas at 5, 10, 25y with a Glock 17 and a P320? What’s that? Oh right. shut up.

        • Joshua

          Now show me on the doll where the bad man touched you.

          • sliversimpson

            Now, that was a response. lol

        • Kelly Jackson

          When I think of some pimply faced ebay uniform wearing poser I think of you.

      • Bore Axis Is A Bore

        The bore axis is higher on just about ANY revolver ever made.

        Show me some dude complaining about bore axis on a revolver and I’ll show you a dude with no penis at all. Pistols: yep, same thing.

        • Joshua

          Penis reference huh? Do people still use revolvers?

    • Phillip Shen

      Haha, luckily I ain’t one of those blockheads. The gun shoots very nicely and I certainly have no complaints about “high bore axis”. Same with the other Sig P series. People’s should stop complaining and shoot more.

      • Paul White

        I *really* like the 2022 for a midrange 9mm. It’s frigging sweet.

    • Edeco

      One can cloud the issue or say the effect is negligible, but I don’t find myself gripping lower to raise the bore axis.

      • Sgt. Stedenko

        Higher bore axis can be compensated by grip angle, spring rates and weight of the slide.
        Bore axis alone is not a determining factor in muzzle flip or time on return to target.
        Why is this so hard for some people to understand?

        • Bill

          You are correct – skill may even come into play.

    • MR

      Like complaining about the grip angle on a Glock. Bothers some people, some people are just looking for something to complain about.

      • Machinegunnertim

        I’ve never looked for anything to complain about with the Glocks, but old and new annoyances about them keep rearing their ugly heads. For the price they ask, agencies and depts. are getting ripped off.

  • Lew Siffer

    SIG is good at making firearms, but they are superb at government agency sales. I would bet money that all of the state employees involved in the procurement process are walking around wearing expensive SIG jackets and caps and carrying SIG pen and pencil sets and flashlights and that many pounds of steak were swallowed during lunches where the attributes of SIGs were being discussed. And of course SIG ammo is the only way to go…and let’s prohibit all secondary and off-duty firearms unless they are also SIGs…(yes, personal experience from one who wanted his agency to go to Glocks).

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Yep. To buy the gun, that’s one thing. To HAPPEN to select the gun, and an official ammo from the same mfg. That’s all work on SIG’s Dept Relations team.

    • I was going the other direction from Glocks to SIG or H&K. We got H&K USP’s.

  • Vhyrus

    I guess that makes me a gun hipster. I had a Sig P320 before it was FBI issued.

    • JSmath

      You’re really only a hipster if you go out of your way to point it out, so, yes, you meet the requirements now. 🙂

      • Edeco

        Yep, actively drawing attention to it is the key.

  • Azril @ Alex Vostox

    AND NOW, HAWAII-FIVE-O CLASSIC THEME PLAYING INSIDE YOUR MIND.

  • J.T.

    “With proven performers like the Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST, I am unsure what merit-based attributes could have been considered to make the largely unproved V-Crown the best choice. Regardless, this will be an agency to watch in the coming years to see if the ammo performs as it should. I sure hope it does.”

    I don’t think it will. Shooting the Bull tested it and the results weren’t very good. It worked in bare gel but there was inconsistency between ammo lots. It failed the denim tests horribly though. It those tests, it suffered from failures to expand and massive over-penetration.

    • Ted Unlis

      Shooting the Bull testing is specifically for “modern short-barrel compact concealed-carry pistols with a barrel length of approximately 3 inches”. Don’t make the false assumption that ammo like V-Crown not designed for 3 inch pistols won’t perform well in FBI standard protocol ballistic testing when fired from 4 and 5 inch duty pistols that the ammunition was designed for.

  • Ted Unlis

    Haven’t seen any announcement or press release, but Texas DPS also selected the P320 in 9mm as the issue firearm that will incrementally replace the currently issued Sig P226 & P229.

    You’re going to hate this Lew Sifter, but trinkets and steak dinners had nothing to do with the P320 getting the nod by TXDPS. After the S&W M&P9 quality control debacle that came back to bite a now retired Lt over FA training who pushed for the M&P9 (and also just happened to be a S&W sponsored competitive shooter), TXDPS brought in rank and file shooters and FA instructors from across the State to test and evaluate 9mm pistols from all the major manufacturers EXCEPT S&W, and the P320 came in 1st just ahead of Glock. After finally laying hands on a P320 I can see why it was the choice of TXDPS Troops, the trigger is amazing, as good as my M&P C.O.R.E. after I spent another $160 on an APEX trigger upgrade.

    Sig finally relented and produced a Glock like striker fired polymer frame pistol at a price that’s also competitive with Glock. The P320 is a serious contender to win back market share from Glock.

    • Lew Siffer

      I am pleased that the P320 is so good, and since it is essentially a knock-off of the Glock that I wanted my agency to adopt 25 years ago instead of the SIG, I consider my choice vindicated. The problems we had with the 226 v. the Glock 19 were (1) initial cost was higher, (2) the grip was too large for many officers, so the department had to get a number of 225s for those officers, instantly losing the “one gun for all” advantage, (3) the 12-pound first shot double action trigger pull was very difficult for many officers to master, (4) officers kept forgetting to de-cock before reholstering (a problem which became worse in the field in actual discharge situations), (5) the design allowed older and foolish younger officers to continue the revolver bad habit of hammer cocking their firearms when pointing them at suspects. And in fairness to my department, the Glock at that time was considered “untested” and had the big disadvantage of the takedown sequence. Remove magazine, rack slide, pull trigger was easily confused by new shooters who would forget and reverse the order of steps two and three, with the usual result (which is why S&W designed the de-cock lever inside the action of their Glock knock-off, the M&P). The 226s were high quality, well made firearms, and since SIG has had more than a quarter century of Glock to study, I am pleased that they may have improved on the Glock design. But I am suspicious of the Hawaii DPS choosing the SIG ammo, and I think we all agree that the FBI has put the fix in so only the SIG 320 meets their standards. I have no issue with SIG, I admire their salesmanship, but I did have issues with government employees who were swayed by trinkets and steaks and flattery and left it to me and the other street supervisors to deal with officers walking around with cocked 226s in their holsters.

      • Knock off of a Glock LOL. The only thing the P320 has in common with the Glock is the fact that both are striker fired. Beyond that there zero commonality with the Glock design except for items common across all semi-auto pistols.

        • Lew Siffer

          I don’t think it’s very nice, you laughing.

      • Bill

        If it took 25 years, your choice wasn’t “vindicated.” In that time period the GLOCK family has gone through 4 iterations, while the Classic SIG line has undergone nothing but variation on the same models. If you couldn’t train your Sgts and above to decock there were alway the DAOs and DAKs. It really should have not been any harder than training GLOCK users to remove finger from trigger PRIOR to holstering.

        Relatively few .gov employees are “swayed by trinkets and steaks and flattery.” They know that’s a fast ride to prison at worst and loss of pension and involuntary discharge for ethics violations at best, best being defined as lacking forcible sodomy.

        • Lew Siffer

          This was the good old days. Not only had the DAK not been invented but the DAO was not offered. Both those options were developed in response to the issues I mentioned. Our evaluation team did not take bribes or do anything unethical, let alone illegal. They just got sweet-talked. And all I am saying is that it looks like the Sig salesmen are still just as good at their jobs as they ever were.

          • Bill

            The issues you mentioned are training issues, not pistol issues. People have been successfully decocting pistols since the Walther P38.

            If it wasn’t your team, and you have direct knowledge of an agency taking bribes in exchange for bid preference, you are ethically and duty-bound to notify that agency’s OIG. You brought it up.

            The weapons selection and bidding process is a lot like an arrest; somebody always ends up pee’d off and feeling treated unfairly. I’ve never, ever heard a pro or amateur boxer blame their gloves for the outcome of a fight, same goes for golf clubs, ball bats or hockey sticks. Winners don’t need to carry a special gun.

          • Lew Siffer

            No one took a bribe, they just…wait a minute, I already explained this…so what are you talking about?

          • Bill

            “I would bet money that all of the state employees involved in the procurement process are walking around wearing expensive SIG jackets and caps and carrying SIG pen and pencil sets and flashlights and that many pounds of steak were swallowed during lunches where the attributes of SIGs were being discussed. ”

            “I did have issues with government employees who were swayed by trinkets and steaks and flattery and left it to me and the other street supervisors to deal with officers walking around with cocked 226s in their holsters.”

            Re-read your personnel manual, specifically the section on accepting gratuities from vendors. Crap like that is why people don’t have any faith in the government. Just post the state you’re in and I can put that states’ Office of Inspector General in touch with you, if your own Office of Professional Responsibility or Internal Affairs won’t handle it.

          • Lew Siffer

            Our evaluation team did not take bribes or do anything unethical, let alone illegal. They just got sweet-talked.

  • sliversimpson

    I shot a P320 in the compact configuration. I was thoroughly impressed. I carry a Glock daily and I seriously considered switching over to it. The trigger is one of the best I have ever used on a striker-style pistol. That being said, many people sing the praises of the VP9, and I haven’t had the opportunity to shoot one yet.

    • JPB

      As a guy who has both, I prefer everything about the VP9 except the Trigger Reset which I feel is superior on the P320. Although just about all the comparisons result in small, and mainly subjective margins.

  • USMC03Vet

    From a logistical and maintenance view this was a great choice. You don’t need an armor to replace a malfunctioning firearm, you can have numerous replacement parts you can take out of a bin if there is a problem and just keep the trigger group controlled.

    Modularity like this is great for large organizations.

  • Ted Unlis

    “If they were led and tested by a heavily biased S&W shooter, it throws the entire evaluation into question”, exactly, that’s why that Lt suddenly decided it was time to retire. Had TXDPS allowed a truly objective evaluation as was done with the P320 selection another pistol such as the Glock 17 might well have been selected over the M&P9. That being said, unquestionably the M&P design has proven weak when it comes to durability in 40S&W and 357SIG pistols, but the design has ample strength in 9mm. The M&P9 pistols evaluated by TXDPS over a couple of years performed well because they left a Smith & Wesson factory with quality control standards in place, the same can’t be said for the first batch of M&P9’s TXDPS actually bought, those pistols represent what happens when production numbers outweigh quality control. When S&W dropped the ball on quality control, they lost all momentum gained in the LE market and will never get it back.

  • David

    It seems to me that S-S came up with the modular concept years ago to allow one platform, one chassis, one serial number to allow agencies (and maybe the US Mil) the ability to get maximum bang for the taxpayer’s buck.
    This started with the P250, a somewhat unlamented DAO forerunner of the 320. Conceptually they are the same in terms of flexibility.
    Probably all the companies in the world looking for low bid, though long term lucrative contracts are scrambling to build their own version of this clever idea. Heck, I even though it would be cool to come up with a Model “2011” with a modular fire control group that took different calibers and single/double stack magazines along the same lines.