This photo has been going around recently on social media. It is the shield used to enter the Bataclan Theater during the recent Paris terrorist attack last Friday. After doing a little digging I found some more information and photos.

The special unit, that used this shield, is called Brigades de Recherche et d’Intervention (Research and Intervention Brigade) aka BRI. They specialize in serious robberies and kidnappings. Which made them ideal for hostage rescue in the Bataclan theater.

Below are two photos of BRI officers posing with the shield used to enter the theater. They use Glocks and HK G36s. If you look closely, you will notice that both officers are carrying two glock pistols each. One on their chest and another in a Safariland style drop leg holster. I am curious as to why they need backups for their backups? It would make sense for the guy leading the charge with the shield. Typically those people use pistols to reach around the shield. However, I am not sure why the guy with the H&K G36 needs three weapons.

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A close up of the shield’s window with a bullet strike.

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There is a video on BBC interviewing a Police Union Spokeman. He relays what the BRI officers experienced and witnessed when they breached the theater.



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  • Mc Cain

    Grabbing a fully loaded and chambered weapon is faster than reloading. And there is no such thing as “too many guns” when you are getting shot at, as these guys were, by full auto AKs spewing 7.62 x 39 bullets at you.

    • NDS

      After the Charlie Hebdo attack I saw an interviewer ask one of the French police the same “why do you have two pistols” question, he said he cannot reload his pistol and hold onto the shield at the same time. He had a G19 on his hip and a G17 w/ 33rnd mag on his chest, similar to these guys.

      • Also if shield guy gets hit in say his hand, the others can use the shield. So it would be best for them to have the same gear.

    • hami

      I don’t think we should be telling the bad@ss door kicker with balls of steel what his kit should consist of. If he says he needs two Glocks then just go ahead and give him three.

      • COL Bull-sigh

        Bad Ass is right! And to think we used to call them “Frenchie Boys!”

        • Travis

          Yeah, there’s been a lot of ribbing over the years, but in truth, the French are a tough and courageous people.

    • RICH

      AMEN….. Especially in a firefight. I saw a shooting where the ‘bad guy’ had a .45 and after he fired the first two rounds the ‘good guy’s return fire (1 rd.)
      hit the front of the offender’s .45, shaved some of the jacket off wedging it between the barrel & slide of the .45and locking the slide back about 1/2″. At this point the .45 became inoperable. If this had been reversed the ‘good guy’ would have ended up dead instead of the offender !
      Never can have too many guns or too much ammo ! !

    • gfr

      I believe it’s called a: “New York reload”. The NYPD Stakeout Squad members would sometimes carry as many as four handguns each.

      • Kelly Jackson

        I thought a “New York Reload” was when you shoot some random black person on the street 118 times, then claim he was shooting you with his cell phone.

        • Cymond

          And then blame him for the bystanders that you shot.

          • COL Bull-sigh

            You, too, are as big of an ignorant lying racist as the Negros who said his hands were up!

        • COL Bull-sigh

          You are as big of an ignorant lying racist as the Negros who said his hands were up!

        • Vanns40

          Better stick to your day job.

        • Democrats: Death to America

          And another bedwetting Obama blog troll drools into the forum….

      • Never knew that kind of reload exists. The more you know~

    • zeprin

      Why 3? Tis ever better to have and not NEED, than to NEED and NOT Have.

    • MR_22

      Agree Mc Cain. I found the following statement VERY ODD for a pro-gun blog: “I am curious as to why they need backups for their backups?”

      • cageordie

        It shows quite surprising ignorance, or a background in shooting paper. If you suffer a failure the guy trying to kill you is not going to give you time to sort out your problem, he’s going to remove all your worries. So having a plan B immediately available is a much better option.

        I know a DA who carries three, shoulder, IWB and ankle and he says he’s used all three. For him the shoulder rig works best in the car or wearing a suit, which he often has to do.

        • MR_22

          Well said. I have a friend who lives in a safe area who regularly carries 4. Yesterday I carried 2, but I rarely go over that.

    • cageordie

      OK, how about I give you fifteen Glocks to carry? And a couple of spare G36s. Never make absolute statements or you will look absolutely lacking in foresight. Weapons fail. Even, occasionally, Glocks. So two pounds is not a terrible sacrifice. There have also been many occasions when the holstered weapon has been impossible to get to. You can’t reach your chest rig easily face to face with an opponent, you can’t draw from a drop holster easily when seated against something or when pressed up against cover. This is not an uncommon rig. Even Tommy Lee Jones used it in US Marshals.

      • Core

        The. 556 punches through plenty of soft armor and kills like any other cartridge assuming it hits vitals. It also has great range and high carry capacity. There are enough loads out there to choose something that fits your needs. . 45 sub guns are great for cqb but you won’t get much soft armor penetration, even though I would prefer a sub gun for a non armored bad guy in cqb. 7.62 nato sbr are just hard to handle rapid fire. You’re left with 762*39 and 30cal offering for cqb have more recoil than 556. So 556 or. 45 is way to go. 9mm and. 40 sub guns are also good options but. 45 “is better. With terrorism on the rise I think we will see more of the armor piercing like FNH 5×7 and HKs sub rifle cartridges. Be interesting to see how effective they will turn out to be? I would be interested in building a, 24-.25 sized cartridge to fill the gap between the 556 and. 30

        • cageordie

          So given a bench and no return fire a 556 will kill eventually, but it doesn’t work at very short range or past a few hundred yards, and a less than perfect shot won’t stop the opponent right now. 7.63×39 isn’t a bad short range choice. The terrorists were probably the most appropriately armed. Pistol caliber weapons won’t do the job because a prepared opponent in body armor will only be stopped by a head shot. The 57s work well against targets and in tests, but if you have to stop someone right now then you need more power. You need any torso shot to at least stop them for a few seconds, so you can put a few more in them. It has to penetrate soft body armor too. In a lot of ways the 280 British still seems like the right answer, though the EM-2 was not. Even the 6.8SPC was a step forward from the 556, but the US military is mired in their training that the 556 is the ultimate answer, so while some keep trying to throw it off there is always someone dragging them back. .

          • ConvoyScout

            AP 9mm exists, and 300 Black Out would perform well.

          • cageordie

            9mm AP won’t defeat hard armor and 300 blackout has no advantage over 7.62×39 for the majority of the world that is not stuck with the M-16/M-4 action. As an alternative for 9×19 there is also 9×25, I have some Doubletap 90gr 2100fps 9x25s, but they still aren’t in the class of even the 300 blackout for energy and penetration. The SS190 5.7 rounds really will penetrate body armor, but will they do enough damage afterwards to stop someone soon?

          • grunion

            From your post, I think you state .30 cal is insufficient to penetrate body armor. Since I don’t want to search that question on the net, does this mean a .308 will not penetrate?

          • cageordie

            All 30s are not created equal, they range from 30 carbine up to things like 30-378 which can run up to around 4700 ft.lbs energy. Ceramic plates will stop a 7.62×51 NATO round. ESAPI plates will stop a 30-06 M2 AP round. If you loaded an M2 AP bullet in the 30-378 that may well overwhelm the ESAPI plates. But you won’t be carrying that in a room clearing situation. Even when the M2 round is stopped the energy is still delivered to the target, so it will likely cause the target to temporarily stop. That gives you time to get more shots on target, while they are slowed down, and they can’t carry enough hard armor to stop them all. 9mm AP won’t do anything against the SAPI or ESAPI plates.

        • Greenman9

          6.5 Grendel

      • Cynic

        That’s a myth, the move to 5.56 was based on a realisation a modern infantryman doesn’t need to kill a horse at 1000 yards. It’s lighter and allows for more rounds to be carried meaning suppressive fire can be used effectively for longer periods of time.

        I’d normally be tempted by an extra magazine over a spare handgun but if using the shield I’d probably be tempted by two handguns over a rifle.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Empty one Glock, throw it at the terrorist and while hes ducking shoot him with Glock #2.

    • Vitsaus

      Last round in the mag is a reload, throw it to the terrorist chambered, when he pulls the trigger, gun explodes, taking out the terrorist and his nearest buddy. Glock is just german for hand grenade, after all.

      • MR

        You’re thinking of Taurus.

        • JSmath

          You must be late to the party to have not caught the Glocknade jokes from the 90’s/2000’s.

        • robocop33

          I have owned, used, fired, and carried Taurus firearms for almost 30 years and have never had a single problem. Maybe it is because I take decent care of my firearms.

          • Cymond

            Or maybe your just got lucky. I’ve run into too many stories of trouble to believe there isn’t a trend. Maybe 90% of Taurus guns are fine, but I think a 10% failure rate is unacceptable (or whatever the numbers are). Regardless of the exact numbers, I’ve read about far more problems with Taurus than any other manufacturer.

          • Phil Elliott

            Taurus, with a new U.S. leader is WAY better on quality than they were.

          • Core

            It’s because the only people who don’t like Taurus don’t shoot them enough. They can be rough to break in, that’s the only negative I can think of. Lube them well, clean, shoot frequently and the ones I’ve used over the years produce great results. I think the majority of Brazilian made guns are workhorses with combat tolerances and I never expect precision unless I pay for it, but find Taurus to be great bang for the buck.

      • Core

        Rofl

      • Chris Floyd

        I do sooo hope you’re being facetious, otherwise there is a world of wrong.. W R O N G .. with the idea, still kinda funny

    • MR

      In that scenario, Hi Point is the superior weapon.

      • Cymond

        Hi-Points are crappy, but nearly indestructible. IraqVeteran888 did some horrible things to a Hi-Point 9mm and failed to make one blow up.
        I have one of their 380s (a gift). Again, it’s not nice, but it’s definitely not the worst gun I’ve ever owned.

        • ozzallos .

          Does making one of their 40s into a 10mm qualify as horrible?

    • Grindstone50k

      When you run out of glocks, throw your helmet at them, Sgt Mike Horvath style

  • Rokurota

    I only have high school French under my belt, but recherche in this case is more properly translated “search” as in “search and rescue.”

    • Stijn Van Damn

      Not really: more accurate would be Investigate and Intervene.
      La Rercherche would be like Murder Detectives, or armed robbery investigators.
      Intervention is well, obviously intervention, High risk arrests and interdictions.. or hostage situations.

      Search and Rescue would be surveillance et de sauvetage

      • JSmath

        There’s a moot degree of difference between the three words research, search and investigate in the context of the agency title. Since recherche starts with r as well, it’s only natural research takes priority as an acceptable translation.

        Honestly, if you’re really going to delve into the real meaning of the use of recherche in the title, it’d be more closely aligned with “to seek out” as in “to hunt down”; Not book-work investigation, but we’re coming to your base or home to perforate you seeking. So how about “Recon and Intervention Bridage”, guys? 🙂

        • Dan

          Or “Kick your ass brigade”. Or “We pwn nubs” or something completely ridiculous “The Boys Scouts” whatever their name translates to, they do one hell of a job and France should be proud and take comfort people like them are around.

  • Aaron

    Max respect for these guys, scope looks quite high though but then again it would on a G36

    • Krogort

      You need that to be able to aim with those bulky helmet visor they use

    • Ryan

      Well considering the fact that in all likelihood he wears a helmet similar to the guy photo left, I’d imagine check weld is not something that he is capable of.

    • Sianmink

      They need to clear the half inch thick face shield.

  • Stijn Van Damn

    cause sometimes you can’t reload fast enough when you are holding on to a shield like that. Those things are heavy and even heavier when taking hits.

  • Bungameng

    If I am not mistaken, one is a standard semi-automatic pistol, while the other is select-fire/fully automatic pistol. Each have different purpose.

    • micmac80

      Yes inedeed one is always full auto capable

  • Hudson

    Using one hand/arm to maneuver the shield and using the other to shoot with, how would you reload?

    • Phil Hsueh

      Just like normal since these shields are capable of being mounted on wheels, so just let go of the shield and reload. That’s assuming. of course, that they mount onto 4 wheels and not just 2.

  • Kelly Jackson

    He has two handguns because he unlocked akimbo G18s

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Ive got a lot of respect for these French cops.
    Ventilating terrorists in a crowded theater is something you would expect from Delta or Six or Alpha Group.

    • The Bellman

      Despite racial stereotyping and Gulf War-era propaganda, the French have shown themselves to be some of the best in CQC hostage rescues, between this and the time GIGN retook an isolated *plane* full of hostages with no fatalities once they intervened.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        The gulf war era nonsense is embarrassing. The French have always been our cultural allies since the revolutionary war. It’s even happened recently with the freedom fries crap. Paris is a great town, always enjoyed myself there.

        • Kelly Jackson

          They were also selling Saddam Hussien banned military systems.

          • albaby2

            It started long before then.

          • Democrats: Death to America

            It’s spelled “Hussein’, bedwetting Obama blog troll.

        • Cymond

          I’m too young to remember the Gulf War, except that sometimes the news interrupted Saturday morning cartoons.
          Would you point me towards some of that propaganda?

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            I think it started in 1986 when France refused overflight privileges to our planes on their way to bomb Libya. De Gaulle at one point wanted to pull out of NATO. They go their own way a lot and that pisses some people off for some reason.

          • Chris Floyd

            Sorry IUD .. you missed on that fact

            “PARIS, March 11 (2009) — President Charles de Gaulle infuriated the United States when he suddenly pulledFrance out of NATO’s military command in 1966, arguing he had to preserve French independence in world affairs.

            Forty-three years later, President Nicolas Sarkozy announced Wednesday, France has decided to return as a full-fledged member of the 26-nation military pact, the North Atlantic Alliance, which came together under U.S. leadership at the start of the Cold War in 1949 and has served as the basis for U.S.-European security relations since.”

            “By Edward Cody
            Washington Post Foreign Service
            Thursday, March 12, 2009”

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Yeah I figured I got that wrong.
            Still every time this anti France stuff pops up I cringe. They’ve always been with us when it’s important.

          • Bruce Rowley

            Charles De Gaulle died on 9 November 1970. I served in the US Army in Germany in multiple tours as apart of NATO between 1973 and 1988 and France was out of NATO during that time.

          • grunion

            Sound familiar???

        • grunion

          As a native Texan who takes pride in our history, the French provided key support to the Texian Revolution. Texas will always have a soft spot in its heart for France.
          Considering there were no British here at the time makes it all the more poignant.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Native Texan here too.
            Born in Abilene.

      • n0truscotsman

        The French have some formitable infantry units too, particulary of the marine and parachute type.

        They perform the best they can with what meager resources they have.

        • Chris Floyd

          Can anyone say Foreign Legion? Bad Ass in the first degree

          I agree with the folks calling out the NYC reload, was absolutely my first thought when I saw the picture. Hell I’d want as many guns as I could reasonably carry if I had to do that job.

          Can’t say I’ve had the greatest respect for the French government, but their Military is on par with ours for training and equipment, they’ve been pulling their weight in a lot of the world where the US just doesn’t even think about.

          So I’m not sure where the meager resources statement comes from, perhaps a little google time would help fix that misconception.

          • dlh0

            A good part of the Legion’s reputation was built on the service of non-french soldiers led by french officers.

          • Chris Floyd

            And your point was?

            The Legion is one of the most effective and capable military forces in the world. Easily on par (and dare I say surpasses – sorry tabbers) with the US Army Rangers. The initial nationalities of the Legions troops has nothing to do with the fact that they are a very capable and Frances primary ground force for extra-national force projection. The Legions participation in Afghanistan alone is a massive testament to their (the Legion) capability and France’s over all Military state,

          • dlh0

            I guess the military history buff in me came out. The comment on the FFL being ‘bad ass’ is not in dispute by me. But their badassness has a lot to do with the foreign part, and how they were traditionally used, not the French. The Legion is at present less than 25% French. I’d also guess that number is high compared to post post WWII.
            The “march or die”, legendary, tough as nails reputation of the Legion was built to a great degree in the colonialism days when the Legion consisted largely of varied nationalities. Their accomplishments and successes are many, in spite of their French officer corps (thinking Indochina War, here). That reputation also stems from the Legions historic use as mercenary style shock troops until the late 50s. France used them where they did not want to lose ‘real’ French soldiers, and spent them recklessly. Now they are a modern French military force, better-used, and in my opinion, better valued and respected.
            At fewer than 8,000, the Legion represents a small part of the French army but is responsible for a huge part of French military pride. So I guess my ‘point’ was that the Foreign Legion is made up of world warriors, not French. If the French military, in general, had the same reputation and standing as the Legion, I’d extoll the virtues of the French as extraordinary fighters, special forces, and the Legion, aside.

          • Chris Floyd

            That was a fantastic assessment and a well made point. I know guys who worked with the Legion in Afghanistan and the level of personal and.professional respect was impressive given the sources.

          • dlh0

            Yes, the little I’ve read of their service there was very positive. If the terrorist activity in Europe continues, I fear they will not be getting much rest.

          • grunion

            Just as long as we don’t pretend they won every fight. There were some bloody massacres they suffered. I reckon the last one at Dien Bien Phu.

          • Chris Floyd

            Absolutely and you have to take a lot of secondaries into consideration for a few decades with the Legion but..the same shall we say..operational challenges we faced by the US Rangers and SpecOps communities in the 70s and 80s..even in to the post gulf war 1 era.

            Regardless I wouldn’t want to face the Legion if I could avoid it.

          • cageordie

            After WWII the Légion Étrangère convinced a lot of SS folks to sign up to avoid a trial and possible execution. They sent them to Vietnam, among other places, where they were very effective. Sometimes too embarrassingly effective, like drowning a whole Vietcong headquarters by flooding a valley.

          • dlh0

            Effective, indeed. Very interesting part of WWII/Legion history that is not very well documented, or acknowledged, by the French. They needed fighters, post war, to regain territorial losses, and not choosy about who they were. German troops whose heads were on the chopping block, or just wanted a place hide, were a ready-made force. To officially, openly acknowledge it’s use of German soldiers would have been somewhat embarrassing, however, so the practice was kind of downplayed. Early example of ‘Don’t ask-Don’t tell?

          • cageordie

            There was a book I read in the 70s, I think it was called SS General, about the SS transferring to the FFL and being sent to the far east. It was supposedly autobiographical.

          • n0truscotsman

            By ‘resources’ I was talking about their defense budget, which is commonplace in the EU-sphere.

            In terms of human and technological resources, there is no deficiency.

          • Chris Floyd

            Vice News recently (this last week) had a great story covering the 50,000 ft. view of what it would take on the French side to follow through with the threat to eradicate ISIS by itself. The long and short of it was, they can’t.. not because of funding or military technological capability, it was pure numbers. France has somewhere on the order of 120K troops including reserves (don’t know if that includes the Legion or not). The estimate running around in many circles is that it would require a minimum of 100K of combat troops.. meaning it would be more like 400-500K including support and secondary units to effectively wipe out the ISIS operational threat and occupy and secure the areas they already control.

            Seems that in a sense you’ve nailed the initial hurdle.. funding.. but the greater struggle will man power and managing the deployments. NATO could manage the mission, if France invokes article 5, which they should do if nothing else than to force Turkey’s hand into actually doing something for a frakking change.

          • n0truscotsman

            Yeah I think the 500k number is a *minimal* to occupy a country like Syria, with multiple warring factions, for three decades (enough to invoke meaningful changes to the next generation through education, healthcare, infrastructure, etc before they take the torch for leadership).

            This was the mistake we made in Iraq. Unless you are willing to occupy for at least 3 decades with 500k troops, you might as well not go at all.

            I have no confidence in NATO having the ability to do this, let alone France.

      • zeprin

        Back in my ‘mis-spent’ youth, I got to spend a lot of time with various French Military and Police units and troopers. They were always, to a man, at least the equal to any in the world. Their weak point has always been their Senior and Political leadership. Sort of what we are sowing and reaping today.

      • Core

        I know for a fact that they have some of the best hostage and vip protection in the world. I’ve seen the GIGN hostage dogs, they are amazing.

    • zardoz711

      Didn’t you know?
      They all go by colors now, no more numbers of call signs.

  • David Smith

    Chest position is easier to draw from when seated in a vehicle, climbing thru tight passages, and in certain other unusual positions. Also, French CT doctrine often uses the handgun as a primary rather than a shoulder weapon. Therefor, 2 handguns would be the primary & backup.

    • Thirst_quencheR

      Was going to post exactly this. Current French Spec Ops doctrine is heavy on the pistols in general but especially in CQB. Would not be unusual in some special units for the addition of a suppressed SMG to the load as well depending on the mission.

      • snmp

        Suppressed SMG is important indoor CQB, simply for your ears

  • Taofledermaus

    Even with all the shielding and body armor, it took a lot of balls to enter that place. My hat’s off to them.

    The early news reports said the terrorists were using shotguns, but later reports said they had AK’s. The damage to the shield, if I were guessing looks more like buckshot patterns.

    • micmac80

      nope its 27 or so hits from 7.62×39 at basically point blank ,Buckshot wouldn’t even dent that shield.

  • nadnerbus

    Props to the manufacturer of the shield. No small thing to stand up to a dozen or more hits of 7.62×39 at close range. They should be extremely proud of making a product that probably saved the officers’ lives as well as unknown civilians.

    Civilization is a wonderful thing. Terrorists could use a large dose of it.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      They could use a large dose of napalm.

      • With a side of WP… nah, who am I trying to kid? Carpet bombing anyone?

    • Sir TuberKopf

      One suggestion to the manufacturer.

      Add a ring of High Intensity LED’s around the perimeter of the shield that make the bad guy unable to look at it, when the operator pushes a button.

      Three modes – off, on and make them puke strobe. Wire LEDs separate to controller, so damage to one or its wiring allows the rest to function unaffected.

      *************

      Multiple pistols, a common thought in US locals where magazine limits approach the absurd. Yes, I’ve started to actually train based on the worst limits in the US, train with a pistol in each hand. I find I like a .45 in my strong hand and a 9mm in my weak hand. I am fairly ambidextrous, so I’ve even started to learn to fire at separate targets simultaneously. It’s an awesome challenge. Push yourselves, a mans got to know…… Yeah it’s cliche.

      ***************

      Note to French police, excellent job.

      • The puke strobe is a good, and inexpensive idea tbh. Maybe macguyver it somehow?

        • Sir TuberKopf

          I’d also dump the window and replace it with an LCD screen fed by cameras between the LEDs the ability to see in the dark or infrared is a big advantage. The camera could also filter out the puke strobe.

  • Lance

    Thank goodness for body and shield armor!!!!

  • Tom

    As I understand it the two pistols comes from officers doing “high risk” surveillance, the chest rig is easier to draw from when seated and the thigh rig is easier to draw from any other position. Not sure why the CT guys would do so but then again I guess its not like they are hiking miles behind enemy lines carrying a couple of days worth of food and water so the extra weight is clearly no real burden so as others have said its probable a New York Reload. Ultimately these guys know what they are doing so as unusual as it appears its not some mall ninja bullshit but clearly works for them.

  • HKGuns

    Looks like his G36 is plenty accurate.

    • Dan

      Actually the guy with the G36 is the one that shot the shield. That is how bad the POI shift is. The bullets u-turned and came right back at the shield.

  • Yommu

    If the man wants to carry 5 guns while he’s battling terrorist Islamic radical scum, I could care less. He’s the guy involved in the actual firefight doing work, who I am criticize his comfort level with the number of guns he carries? Vive la france, clean up western europe!

    • M

      I don’t think he’s criticizing, just trying to understand the reason why

  • RICH

    The incident in Paris says a ton for gun control….. the French citizens have an extremely difficult time to own any firearms. France is like Great Britain and Australia with the government taking their firearms away. It kind of makes one wonder what the casualty count would have been if a few of the French citizens had been armed with concealed weapons…… ! ! ? just sayin’……….

    • TheSmellofNapalm

      Yeah, because pistols do a whole lot to stop bombs and coordinated shootings with multiple attackers in crowded areas. This issue is a lot larger than gun control, buddy.

      • Dan

        I am willing to bet that if France had identical gun laws no one in that theatre would have been armed. I don’t favor gun control but I will not say if only they were allowed to carry guns. That works only if someone is actually carrying and to stop every attack you would almost have to force people to carry. I agree this was not a case where gun control had much to do with it.

        • Goody

          Islamists have carried out dozens of fatal terrorist attacks in France since 2001 (when the war allegedly began)

          I’d carry everywhere.

          • ozzallos .

            I do. It was sad irony that somebody asked my in the world would I carry everywhere I went. Two hours later I directed them to the news as people were getting gunned down in real time.

          • Dan

            I definitely would too, but it would only be effective if everyone did and they eliminated gun free zones. I am all for carrying, the challenge is to get the vast majority to train and carry as well. Otherwise we are no more helpful than a call to the police would be.

          • Goody

            In a one on one, a single concealed pistol will be infinitely more useful than a telephone. Concealed means you can pick your moment.

        • Randy

          An additional element is always that the perps have to take into account the possibility that others are/aren’t carrying. Consider the “Here’s a good target” gun-free zones. Which would you choose if you were trying to buy time for your infamous day in the spotlight? So, there’s your potential reduction of violence, albeit next to impossible to quantify.

          • Dan

            Yep regardless of the amount of people that carry when you know they’re in a place that doesn’t allow it you’re it’s free for the taking.

          • Chris Floyd

            The fact that there hasn’t been a societally identified need for an armed citizenry is foreign to most Americans or other countries with a substantial gun culture. The references to Israel bring to mind the greater issue. The western European culture doesn’t accommodate the concept of armed self defense or defense of others by the civilian population like it does in Israel or even to a smaller extent America.

            The cultural change in many western European countries would preclude the advantages of an armed populace for a few generations until the mindset became naturally ingrained. They just don’t have the societal mind set that Israelis do.

            But as an example of what a terrorized and armed society can and will do, just look at the spat of recent attacks in Israel and more importantly, the response from the people in the area of those attacks. Many were stopped or ended by armed citizens.

          • Dan

            Well said.

        • John Wisch

          You are missing the whole point.
          This was a ZERO SUM EVENT.
          Being that their was ZERO CHANCE of resistance due to the Gun Laws and the Lack of Gun Culture.
          There was no armed security at an event of that size, in this day and age.
          WHY? The Laws and Lack of MIND SET.
          The French are no Boy Scouts.

          • Dan

            Armed guards would have been a decent deterrent. Armed citizens only if the numbers are many. 1 out of every 2000 people isn’t any sort of deterrent.

      • Sulaco

        Israel citizens have stopped numerous terror attacks on their own over the last decade. But hey gun control is PC for even some of our own apparently.

      • ozzallos .

        “Yeah, because pistols do a whole lot to stop bombs and coordinated shootings with multiple attackers in crowded areas.”

        And I think you are vastly underestimated the ability of a few armed individuals to screw up all the plans in the world. An attack once focused on gunning down unarmed civilians now has to defend itself against pop-up aggressors, forcing a change in priorities. Every moment you spend dealing with them is less time toward your objective and more time for more heavily armed law enforcement to arrive.

        Nobody is saying you’re going to go all Bruce Willis on them, but simply disrupting the plan and forcing the gunmen to switch focus is a strategic victory in and of itself even if you don’t manage to drop one.

        So yes, the issue is gun control. If terrorist can be coordinated in their attacks, why can’t a well armed, law abiding populace be coordinated in their armed response? Because they aren’t even allowed to consider the possibility, just as you hadn’t even considered it for yourself.

        • Ben Ochart

          Very well said. Gun free zones/countries are simply killing zones for nut jobs.

      • John Wisch

        Head shots, or Zip them up from the high thorax up.
        If you want the guy with the AK on the ground PELVIC SHOOT HIM, if you cant get a head shot. It kills mobility really well.

      • DaleC

        That must be why the soldier in the pic carries two Glocks, because pistols are don’t do a “whole lot” against that type of adversary.

    • whodywei

      Owning firearms is much easier in France than Great Britain. You can buy

      suppressors in France without any paperwork.

      • snmp

        Not true, now you need papers with the new weapon classification ..

    • Grindstone50k

      Annnd the politics have arrived.

  • Andrew

    “The special unit, that used this shield, is called Brigades de Recherche et d’Intervention”

    Whoever wrote this article loves commas.

    • iksnilol

      That’s not wrong usage there. You can use two commas instead of paranthesis.

  • Ben Gauci

    I would assume, because its hard to reload if one hands holding the shield. Buddy with the g36 has extra pistols to hand over to the shield holder? Could also be different firing settings/accessories on the pistols… Just a guess. But I am curious to know the reason if thats not it.

  • JmosesB

    Calling this guys weapon choice into question is stupid. I don’t care if he is bringing a howitzer to this battle. Any man that has the balls to run into that theater can bring whatever the *@$% he wants. If you were asking what his plans were for those guns, thats fine but you should have phrased it differently.

  • No more mr nice guy

    Hell was on earth last friday night.
    Night watch patrol officers were the first to arrive on location.
    We were told that it was bullets flying all over the scene.
    They were pinned down.
    They couldn’t return fire because of the victims wounded all over the place.
    Some have shotguns, others only their service pistols with only two magazines issued.
    First they did take care of casualties, and 30 minutes later, special units(RAID and BRI) were on zone.
    The first terrorist was gunned down by a commissioner and detoned himself being deadly wounded in the lobby of the Bataclan among victims.
    You know the rest of the story.
    Now we do patrol every night with heavy bulletproof vest including NIJ 4 plates and submachine guns.
    Yes, surely the devil walked among them that night.
    For the two Glocks, it’s just a question of good sense.
    You can also see the HK guy got also a 30 rounds magazine.
    We got a saying for that.
    There’s no harm in having too much.
    On the second assault , two days ago, almost 5000 rounds were shot.
    As you said, lessons were learned from the past.

    • handsomejimjimbob

      t’es policier ou BRI?

      Hi,
      From what i gather you were present on the scene either as a regular police officer or BRI officer?

    • Goody

      I have seen a few video clips on the news of the gunfights, from the audio I think I heard a .50BMG talking, “BudBudBudBudBud”, for someone who is close by is that true?

      I’m only going by a hunch and that rate of fire that sounds like an M2 Machine gun – our media could have edited in that audio, anyway.

    • nomoremrniceguy@free.fr

      There’s the new moral patch….Enjoy….

  • Wold

    I think that shield is made up of ceramic ball bearings? I have seen a YouTube video that talked about that type of armor. It supposedly helps to catch the bullet and distribute the force of impact, much like sand bags would. Any way correct me if I’m wrong, but some of the larger holes in the shield look like its made up of those ceramic ball bearings.

  • Grindstone50k

    Shield OP pls nerf

  • OldNorthState

    No personal offense meant, but when I read something as incredibly naĂŻve sounding as, “I am curious as to why they need backups for their backups?”, it makes me question myself as to why I am reading anything whatsoever at this site. Some of these writers must be video game commandos, primarily.

  • Wolf Roman

    If your had ever been in a 3D gunfight, out numbered by experienced terrorist, you would know.

  • NCJohn

    Silly boy, backups because two is one and one is none comes into play here. If there’s a stoppage then instead of bothering with clearance drill you drop it and go to the backup. Mr Murphy has a tendency to make himself known at the worst possible moment.

  • Wolfgang Oehry

    To the person who’s criticizing these guys for carrying 2 or 3 guns: When were you last in a battle with terrorists?

    • dlh0

      Or more likely, when was he in a gun fight, period…

  • phil box

    God bless these guys

  • Bob

    Another interesting note is during an NBC interview with the BRI officers involved, they showed a through and through in their shield (at least one, maybe more are there?) indicating perhaps AP ammo was used, then again, not sure the composition of the shield, perhaps it was only rated for pistol ammo and not carbine/rifle ammo.

    • jcitizen

      I saw that! They also showed one of the armored helmets with one hole in it. I was pleasantly surprised the owner wasn’t wounded!!

  • Bob

    One more thing, repeatedly news videos showed Paris policeman carrying an “old” Ruger Mini14 propped up on top of his body armor, no sling, iron sights, looked to be 1970’s vintage Mini14, they cop next to him had a Beretta Model 12 type submachine gun in 9mm. A couple days later all I see on the evening news is cops with G36 type machine guns. I have no prob with the Mini14, just having a what appeared to be an unfired Mini14 and a machine pistol seemed mismatched and odd. Perhaps the Mini was a personal weapon? BTW the mini also had a 10 round mag in it, semi auto … pit that against full auto AK’s with 30 round mags… not much of a match.

    • datimes

      That was a Bloomberg mini.

    • jcitizen

      Bill Ruger had much more success selling full auto Mini-14s to foreign armies that in the US. He also blocked selling 30rd magazines to any but LEOs. After that I never bought another Ruger. Now that he’s dead, I may come back as a fan again.

  • Leonard Bayard

    honestly, would of thought why they would want 2 sidearms, when they’re stacked up behind a shield would of fairly obivous…..

  • John Scott

    why do they need 3 weapons? Because 2 might not be enough and 4 would probably be too heavy?

  • John Scott

    I have a buddy who was 30 years in the NYPD, originally trained with a revolver. He said his usual tactic was to start a conflict with his “back up weapon” (a S&W revolver) and fire till empty, then draw his Glock 17 and fire and reload as necessary. As I continue to ponder this, I think it is actually a pretty good plan.

  • Adam aka eddie d.

    Intervention teams in my country also use two pistols along with their MP5s: a full size USP and a compact, one strapped to the leg and one on the vest horizontally.

  • Sam Green

    That glass held up well for sure.

    Years back, some friends challenged me to make a serious ballistic shield on a shoe-string $250 budget. Since I retired and was bored, I took the challenge.

    Sourced a surplus C130 ceramic floor armor panel ($129, a bargain for sure) These floor panels were the same as I had on my CH-47, I knew they were tough.

    Found some 1.5″ ballistic glass, which I doubled up to 3″ Never used this stuff before and learned a lot how to torch it and such. $65 3″ I thought was enough and it weighed a lot, but 3″ wasn’t enough.

    Last was a metal low profile wide movers dolly, and some metal framing stuff I needed so it didn’t look like a cheap homemade shield. $125 and three trips to Home Dept.

    Was over budget by $69, but it came out nice. To top it off,, I added 20 XM-L emitters two rows of ten, made a small heat exchanger/ dc powered it all and water-cooled the LED array. Used a boat battery to power it, needed the battery as ballast since the shield was top heavy due to the glass..

    So what does one do with a ballistic shield one makes in a garage? You blast it with your buddies. I did however remove the high power LED array as the lighting components cost more than the shield components combined.

    This shield took some serious pounding, the glass did not fair as well as the shield pictured above. In fact the 3″ of glass would have required me to build a coffin for anyone behind it. But the surplus hard armor hybrid panel was good stuff. Wished I had some M955’s that day or a Barrett .50

    It never gets old to shoot ballistic items to see how much damage they can take, normally we buy surplus armor to shoot at Bulletproofme or sources like that, but shooting a ballistic shield was a lot more fun.

    PS, My thoughts and prayers go out to the French people and kudos to the French LEOs that had to deal with these Muslim lunatics.

  • John Wisch

    He has two pistols because 1 in none and 2 is one, if you have a hand gun shot from your hand, you still have another one. Also the tac team has learned that a New York Reload is faster and more efficient than a emergency reload.
    Also, with two hands one with a pistol in each one man can cover two points of entry or egress at the same time from a single position.
    Example two doors in a single room. Or one door and one window that has access to it. Or, In a foyer, an exterior door & a star case, or, a stair case and an interior door or, elevator door.

  • gregge

    “I am not sure why the guy with the H&K G36 needs three weapons.”
    There is no overkill. There is only “Open fire!” and “I need to reload!”

  • dlh0

    That is not a preferred reload method. It is more intended for the ‘wounded officer’ scenerio where 2 hands are not available, ie, no options. Nor is it remotely quick enough if you are anywhere near the engagement end of the stack.

    • JSmath

      Nowhere was it said or suggested it was a “preferred” reload method.

      He asked HOW a person would reload, not the best/fastest/ideal method; I answered their question.

      • dlh0

        Agreed, I simply added to your answer and placed it in context with the thread. I clarified that although such reloads can be done, in this context they are probably not overly feasible or desirable, tactically. It simply blends the answer with the 1 handgun vs 2 aspect. Don’t take it personal. I wasn’t dissing your answer, but from an instruction frame of reference I would not teach someone to use those techniques to reload given that set of circumstances. The second handgun is far the superior.

  • Greg W.

    I have 3 different rounds or ammo in 3 different mags i carry. The first mag is loaded with powerballs for the house or office. The second mag are gold dot hollow points and the third are FMJ if both of those fail.

  • jakashh

    His aimpoint is on a riser, probably made so you can see the irons through it… but now he probably gets no cheek weld with the aimpoint. Why??

  • Wolfgang Oehry

    I couldn’t have said it better myself… 🙂

  • Mikial

    I mean no offense, but if you don’t understand why someone might carry two handguns then you probably have not been at the sharp end recently. When I was doing PSD (Personal Security Details) in Iraq from 2004 to 2007, I generally always carried either an M4 or and AK, and two pistols; one in a cross-draw vest holster and the other in a drop leg holster.

    This gave me several advantages: first, if I was down to my pistol (or in a vehicle where a pistol was the best option) and there was a malfunction I didn’t have to waste time with it, I dropped or holstered (if there was time) and drew a second pistol. Second, if I ran out of ammo, it is faster to draw another weapon than reload. Third, if I was wounded in my gun hand and dropped the gun, I could quickly draw the second handgun and keep fighting.

    I really don’t mean to sharp shoot, but so many “Internet experts” really demonstrate their inexperience with the real world in the things they say.

    On a different topic, we carried Level IV shields in the vehicles so that if the vehicle was disabled and we were taking fire, we had at least some means of getting out of the disabled vehicle and getting to the next one in line. We all wore Level IV plates and Level III Kevlar underneath, but when running for your life, it gets to be difficult to always keep the plate toward the enemy. Carrying the shield, we could orient it toward the bad guys and keep moving.

  • jcitizen

    Bob said it first in an earlier post, but I saw holes in that shield on the cable news, and one of the guy’s armored helmet with a hole that looked like it should have hit him in the skull. Fortunately he was okay, but the hand wound the news was talking about makes me wonder if the shield bearer took one in the hand. Good thing they had more armor behind that device! I have to hand it to them for junk yard dog ferocity in never dropping the shield and moving to over take the objective! KUDOS!!

  • jcitizen

    Seeing that shield reminds me of the brave unarmed men in Ukraine, who went up against armed snipers with nothing but junk metal for shields! Human determination never ceases to amaze me!

  • De Facto

    Why 2 pistols? New York reloads, that’s why xD

  • Eric Blatter

    “However, I am not sure why the guy with the H&K G36 needs three weapons.”

    How about because it’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it? Sort of the same reason for carrying a firearm anyway, right? And considering all the other gear they are wearing it’s a small price to pay in weight.

  • BDUB

    I don’t see the second pistol on the guy with the G36. The guy with the shield likely carries two pistols because that’s his reload – since one arm is occupied by the shield.

  • Majoritysense

    Three guns is better than two. Better have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

  • John

    I could be wrong, but I think the answer is fairly simple. Whomever is carrying the shield needs more than one pistol. He can’t reload because his left hand is holding the shield.

  • Bryan

    Sweet baby Jesus….can that optic get any higher over the bore???

  • MidwayBill

    Anyone going into a tactical situation like that needs to be prepared for any eventuality. They likely have no intel on just how well armed the bad guys are that they will encounter, so they load up. Hunting dangerous game, a hunter needs to have the back-up plan. Either he has more than a primary firearm, or his guide has the back-up heat, or both.