The Guns Of Parisian Law Enforcement

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Let it not be said that when provoked, Paris won’t respond in kind. Following the cowardly attacks on the city last week, the French National Police came out in force armed with several different kinds of firearms, some fairly old but still very capable in the hands of trained professionals. Polish blog Broń i Amunicja posted several photos of PN officers armed with at least three different kinds of weapons: St. Étienne M12SD submachine guns, Mousqueton AMD select-fire carbines, and SIG Sauer P2022 handguns. Broń i Amunicja’s posts are embedded below:

The St. Étienne M12SD submachine guns are license-produced versions of the Beretta Model 12 submachine gun, adopted by the Police Nationale in 1988. They are select-fire, open-bolt weapons with folding metal stocks, making them very compact weapons. Though not as flashy or impressive as the more famous Heckler & Koch MP5 submachine gun, they are still competitive weapons with the only major drawback being reduced accuracy due to open bolt firing.

Mousqueton AMD is the name given to Ruger Mini-14 rifles made on contract with the French government for internal and police use, and the Mini was chosen for its more domestic appearance, especially versus the radical-looking FAMAS which had just been adopted. Adopted in 1978, the rifles are stamped “Mousqueton A.M.D. – 5.56 A.P.” on the rear receiver heel, “AMD” standing for “Intermediate Defense Weapon” (EDIT: I am wrong, it stands for “Armament and Means of Defense”) in French, and “AP” for “Prison Administration”. The rifles are also marked with Ruger markings, which are located on the receiver side, under the wood line. Some Mousqueton AMDs feature a unique curved forward charging handle style that interestingly is shared with the MAS M12SD discussed above. Sources differ on whether the guns were made by Ruger for the French government or made in France under license; both may be true.

The pistols used by PN officers are SIG Sauer P2022 handguns, a modification of the SIG Sauer Pro series designed for the French government, and intended to serve from its introduction in 2002 for two decades, hence the name 2022. It is a polymer framed pistol with a light rail and interchangeable grip panels, which were very advanced features for its year of introduction.

Finally, an image of resilience and resistance, a ballistic shield used by the BRI entry team countering the Bataclan theater attack, showing 18 impacts, reportedly from 7.62mm bullets fired from AK-type rifles:

Vive la France!

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Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Zachary marrs

    That ballistic shield is crazy.

    Wonder how much that thing weighs

    • Giolli Joker

      I wonder if it has wheels…

      • BattleshipGrey

        Looks like the brackets on the sides are probably to fix it into a wheeled mount.

        • Giolli Joker

          That was exactly my guess. 😉

      • anonymouse

        It does, you can see it here

        • Giolli Joker

          Cool! Thanks.

        • DrewN

          I love the French. Assault gear? Nah, jeans and trainers are fine. Really reinforces how much our domestic SWAT teams look like idiot clowns wearing more crap than an MEU to serve a warrant on a child support scofflaw.

          • Sulaco

            I think its more that plan cloths officers were pulled into active/uniformed duty and didn’t bother to change cloths when France activated 15000 cops for these ops.

          • Anton Gray Basson

            It depends what he was doing before hand, I had a chance to speak to an old SAPS Special Task Force member and he said if you you are given the choice you are going in with your ideal kit, body armor, nomex suit, If however you were watching a suspect, trying to blend in with people, you’re wearing street clothes and a hand gun if you have to.

          • Chatterbot

            “Don’t mind me and my ballistic shield, I’m just out to get my morning coffee and croissant”.

          • Anton Gray Basson

            He could have been on scene before hand as part of an observation team.

          • Bill

            Child support scofflaws can’t be underestimated – they tend to be driven by emotion, hatred towards courts and ex-spouses and revenge. Some of the most dangerous situations I’ve been in involved things like child support, custody of kids, etc. Stereotype at your own peril.

            Drug dealers know they are going to prison eventually, it’s part of the biz.

          • Yallan

            Child support is injustice, your the bad guy. Should be using hookers to lure them out not guns.

  • Tom A

    Shield of the BRI (police special unit)
    CRS only for riot control

  • Matrix3692

    Everytime I discuss this issue on another forum, I had to facepalm multiple times.

    Cause: they thought that french LE officers were been armed with “WWII-era Firearms” (The stocks on the Mousqueton A.M.D and many who thought the M12S were M3 grease guns), and should be more “tacticool”

    • Paul White

      Frankly, even if they were armed with grease guns and M-1 Garands, that’d be pretty formidable firepower for a domestic police force. Add in some old trench guns…

      • TDog

        Trench guns should give anyone pause. Heck, they got the Germans all bent out of shape during World War I!

        • Dave C

          Plenty of images of PN and CRS armed with pump-action 12-gauge shotguns… Unmentioned.

          • TDog

            But do those pump guns slam fire like the 1897 does? 😀

          • Dave C

            Nope. Certainly the Ithaca M37 shares that earlier design quirk and lack of a disconnector… Most of the French police shotguns I’ve seen are Remington 870s.

          • Kivaari

            Ithacas could be had with or without “fire interrupter triggers”. I like the interrupter style. A friend was changing patrol cars and was “cleaning” his Winchester M97, when it went bang, blowing hole in the door to the ID room and into a locker with a prisoner clothing. It really did a number on them. At that time, now 50 years ago, the department had a small “dog house” with little stickers glued to it describing the mix ups. It was common to see NGs with M97. Several passenger side door with holes, as the deputy tried to get it out of the boot.

          • trapman

            I’ll take an FN SLP

        • Dave C

          The Germans in WWI summarily executed Belgians on flimsy pretexts that civilian “illegal combatants” had “unfairly” and even criminally targeted their invading soldiery. During the Napoleonic Wars, Prussia had created the Landstürm and Landwehr system of military/civilian militia, but then turned around and branded the Belgian’s Garde Civique an illegitimate “franc-tireur” body… Any wound caused by a “civilian” weapon, like buckshot from a shotgun was indicative of criminal use, in addition to the whole “dum-dum” bullets bad, full metal jacket bullets good “laws of war” premise.

          Of course, the threat to carry out reprisal shootings of German prisoners if Americans were summarily executed for using a shotgun made the German objections moot. That the inventors of poison gas and the flame thrower found shotguns to be appalling and illegal weapons is rather revealing.

    • Luk

      The M12 seems to be issued to basic police force only to give them firepower in case of serious trouble. The average policeman probably never shot it. I guess the main quality of the gun in this context is to be cheap and easy to use and maintain. Even it’s not the best submachinegun, it’s much better than handguns.

      I’m living near a police station in Paris and there is someone guarding the station
      with the M12 all the time for months. It’s better now but at the beginning they
      were just pointing all the neighbourhood around all day long since they were
      keeping it hanging horizontally on their chest , chatting with colleagues. A friend of mine heard one of them being told by an officer to point it to the ground. I took at least three months before most of them apply this basic safety rules.

      There are some gendarmes (a kind of military police force) with MP5 guarding a sensible place in front of the place where I’m working, they show far more gun discipline (and discipline at all) and really check what’s going on, the delivery trucks and don’t always stays on the same spot.

    • Hurri Cane

      The wooden furniture was the French’s idea. Bill Ruger tried to talk them into a nice tati-cool synth stock but they weren’t having it. Also, select fire.

    • Anon. E Maus

      They used to have M1 Carbines and MAT-49’s, but that was quite a while ago. I think they chose the Mini-14/AC-556 derivative because they really liked the M1 Carbine.

  • BattleshipGrey

    Their armor looks more like flak jackets than ballistic vests.

  • thedonn007

    They use a Mini-14 becuase of it’s appearance?
    Who cares what it looks like? That would be one of my last requirements for choosing a firearm.

    • M.M.D.C.

      Lots of people in America choose the Mini 14 for the same reason: it doesn’t scare folks like an evil black rifle does.

      • Stephen Beat

        Absolutely so. This is the reason the Ulster Constabulary chose the Mini-14.

      • Burst

        Even as an American shooter, Those FA-MAS G2s are pretty eye catching.

        The guys carrying them tend to look saltier than the cops above, too.

      • GunnerB

        Best Canadian reason for buying the Ruger Mini-14 : All AR’s are heavily restricted and registered. With a “non-restricted” PAL (licence), buy a Mini14 at your LGS or on-line. No registration, walk out the door with it in minutes. Legal for hunting, also very customizable, and did I mention NOT registered?

    • Edeco

      Seems like an OK idea to me if I understand correctly; look subtle, minimize drama. Within reason, I mean, sure the rifle must perform or they could just skip it entirely.

      • Jeff Smith

        I own a Mini 14 – they perform well. The one criticism you hear about them is that the accuracy suffers when the barrel heats up, but, other than that, they work well and are pleasant to shoot.

        • TechnoTriticale

          I no longer own one, due to that accuracy problem. I consider the existence of the “Mini-14 Target Rifle” to be Ruger’s admission that they aren’t ever going to solve that problem for other 5.56mm variants of the product (and the TR is .223 only, interestingly).

          Wonder if the AMD included any design mods to address the issue.

          • Sulaco

            I have had several Minis and never really had a problem with accuracy even on long qualification courses. But Ruger did redesign the barrel and mountings in later models to address the “problem” in extreme shooting situations..

          • DrewN

            I bought a Target Mini out of curiosity and it didn’t shoot any better than any other new design mini. In fact it was worse, but 90% of that was because it was a Ca. model “fitted” with an incredibly loose Hogue. Seriously, you could wedge a nickel on each side of the receiver no problem. I eventually had it cut and crowned to 16″ and bedded in a laminate and now it’s a solid 2 -3 moa shooter like most Mini’s.

        • Edeco

          Hmmm, yeah, I figured they would do the job since similar output as an AR in theory, and been in production for decades so must at least go bang mostly when intended. Interesting about the heat.

          • Jeff Smith

            They definitely go bang when you need them and I prefer shooting (just informal range plinking) with my Mini 14 over my AR-15. The accuracy, at its worst, is usually said to be 3 MOA or so. For what the gun does, that isn’t horrible. It was never intended to be a target rifle. So, for a man sized target at 100-200 yards, it works just fine.

    • wetcorps

      People who don’t know a lot about firearms may care. In France it’s most people.

    • Bill

      It’ll shoot bad guys just as dead as a M4 or Winchester 94.

  • Burst

    The later Manhurin revolvers were basically ruger frames modified and constructed in France.

    Obviously, rifles are not revolvers, but France has licensed ruger designs before.

    • snmp

      not true, just the Manhurin F1 is Ruger Base revolver not other Manhurin’s revolver

  • Anton Gray Basson

    Watching BBC’s covorage of the raids now and I spotted both FN SCAR L and G36C being used by BRI members.

  • PeterK

    Cooooooooool. Not bad choices. Oddly legitimizing to see the SP2022 in police hands, haha. It was a run read until that last picture anyway. Very chilling.

  • Tinkerer

    Just a little correction : the term “Armement et Moyen de Défense” translates as: “Armament and Means of Defence”, not as “Intermediate Defense Weapon”.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Revolver packing GIGN.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      They’re still common in the rest of the world. Been all over, seen revolvers everywhere.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Those guys dont need more than six shots.

        • Cynic

          It’s so you can use a riot shield and helmet and not have to deal with ejected brass and so you can use the gunport in the shield without worrying about the slide being out of battery.

        • Rocketman

          But what if your the first one through the door and there are seven of them?

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Im no military planner but I doubt one guy is expected to ventilate seven bad guys. Plus if I was a bad guy and some dude busted in and shot all six of my buddies I’d haul a-s.

          • Josh

            Fairly sure there are a few 8 shot models out there.

    • bernardg

      One thing for sure. Very reliable. You are not gonna face yourself with jammed pistol when you need it most.

      • ostiariusalpha

        Actually, revolvers do jam; I had to fix one for my brother’s friend just last month. Autoloading pistols and revolvers each have their own peculiar ways of jamming, but at least the revolver doesn’t get immediate stoppages from extraction or ejection problems. I still prefer the autoloader, mine are plenty reliable.

        • Giolli Joker

          (Tauruses* do not count 😛 )

          *Tauri?

          • ostiariusalpha

            LOL! Every Taurus is the same pistol, they’re all quantumly entangled as a supermechanism. There is no plural.

        • TDog

          Revolvers are less likely to jam given that they have fewer ways to jam. I’ve seen ’em jam up too, but it’s always been due to a problem with the firearm whereas semi-autos can jam, misfeed, or whatever due to user error.

      • CommonSense23

        Revolvers have all sorts of issues. And modern semis have proven themselves to be more reliable. The idea of the revolver being unjamnable needs to die.

        • Dave C

          I’ve jammed revolvers. Improper technique, cheap ammo.
          I’ve jammed semi-autos. Then there’s the whole “twist, rack, tap” drill. Quickly done, but not as quick as pulling the trigger again.

          If a revolver jams, it is really difficult to clear. However, I’ve seen perfectly reliable semi-autos limp-wristed and jammed or FTF. That’s why I carry a double-action revolver.

          The idea of the “obsolete revolver” needs to die. 😉

    • Krogort

      This unit get pretty much unlimited funding for personal equipment and eat like 80% of the ammo budget of the whole police force just for their training so they must have reasons for using these.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        If they work then they work.

      • CupAJoe

        Nutnfancy in his POU discussion of the S&W TRR8 said it was developed as a shield complement due to problems with automatic slides causing stoppages if they impact the shield. This guy doesn’t have a shield, but I imagine he might have trained with one.

        • Cynic

          That’s pretty much the reason plush the maruhin is much more accurate than anything else they tested from what iv read.

          • CupAJoe

            Plush the maruhin lives with the shield and frolics in the powder smoke in the land called French Paris…

      • Jack Burton

        I assume they’re still used for the same reason the 1911 is still used by some of the GIGN’s US counterparts – they’re a symbol of pride to them, as well as being exceptionally well made and sweet shooting.

        • DIR911911 .

          if a loaded 357 pointed at you coming through a door isn’t intimidating enough to make you stop, then that bullet will.

      • Josh

        Super duper tacticool stuff where you have to worry about slide bite or slide to the ribs.

    • Grindstone50k

      MLG pro

  • J.T.

    In addition to the curved charging handles on some of them, some Mousqueton AMDs have a notch type rear sight on the barrel instead of a ghost ring sight on the receiver. I remember seeing pictures of some after the attacks earlier in the year.

  • SilentMike

    The M12S is (IMHO) the cream of the crop of open bolt subguns. We had one in our inventory for years. It’s a sweet shooter. Nice slow cyclic rate and a buttery smooth recoil impulse. Sounds sweet with a good suppressor.

  • SCW

    The officer’s mag pouch is unsnapped in the first picture. That wouldn’t be a big deal except he has it mounted horizontally.

    • Bill

      Probably got caught of the subgun’s mag. I’m not a fan of horizontal pouches.

    • Cal.Bar

      Doesn’t matter much. In a country without civilian guns, what’s a civilian finding a mag of rounds going to do with it? Frankly, if they saw it on the street, they’d probably run for cover and call the SWAT teams in and cordon off the block.

      • Burst

        >In a comparison of the rate of private gun ownership in 178 countries, France ranked at No. 12

        There are civilian guns in France, including a ton of short barrel shotguns and suppressors. Not that I disagree about the relative danger of a lost mag.

  • Sulaco

    Boy how times change and stay the same. My dept started out only allowing Minis for patrol carry cause they didn’t look like “assault rifles”. Then changed their minds and dis allowed the Minis and demanded Colt AR-15’s…..Thanks for the article I kept seeing what I thought were Ruger’s but couldn’t be sure.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    I was recently in Paris. Saw a handful of MP5s in the Luxemburg Gardens (where their Senate meets). Saw full-kit soldiers walking around with Famas….

    But it was a guard at a police station carrying that SMG from the cover photo. I had no idea what it was, so thanks for that.

    • DAN V.

      Yup. WhenI went a few years ago, the French Army guys (Lé White Flags) each carried a FAMAS. One got angry that I took a pic of him (under the Eiffel Tower, mind you).

  • Esh325

    Perhaps they could be using some more modern firearms, but I’m sure they do the job.

  • Sianmink

    From the looks of that entry shield, that guy drew the short straw to be the distraction while the other teams came in elsewhere. Yikes.

    • iowaclass

      That’s me playing MW2 and MW3. I die a lot, and have a terrible kill ratio, because I just can’t stop loving that riot shield.

  • mosinman

    i’m not sure the AR-15 offers much over the Mini-14 (other than customization) it just goes to show how banning certain features doesn’t make a gun less effective. all in all i like the retro looks of those mini-14s

    • CommonSense23

      Well accuracy and reliability are better on the AR.

      • iksnilol

        True that, but the basic point remains: a 5.56 round fired out of a 40 cm barrel acts the same whether the rifle is a mini-14, an m249 or a CZ527.

        • CommonSense23

          Well a lot of that depends on the barrel and how said barrel is mounted.

      • Bill

        That’s relative. I haven’t known Minis or GBs to have reliability problems that went directly related to cheap aftermarket magazines.

        • ostiariusalpha

          The open action has always been a reliability flaw on Garand type rifles. It’s just a debris magnet.

          • TDog

            But then we get into the one caveat that every AR user loves to pull out: “with proper maintenance” it won’t jam. “Just keep it clean” and it won’t fail.

            AR’s deposit all sorts of debris into their own chambers. An open receiver, in my experience, has not been any more trouble.

          • ostiariusalpha

            You’re experience has been extraordinarily limited then. Ian & Carl of Forgotten Weapons did a torture test that involved an M14 & AR15; the M14 did not fare well at all, but the AR just kept trucking along.

          • TDog

            I wouldn’t classify it as “extraordinarily limited”, but the fact is that every AR user tacks on the phrase “with proper maintenance” as if it would excuse everything.

            I’m simply applying that same tired caveat to open receivers.

            And torture tests are a great way to pleasure yourself when you have time, money, and bandwidth to spare, but let’s be honest: torture is not an everyday occurrence for people or guns. If it were, they would call them “everyday tests.”

            So just as I don’t foresee the need to enroll myself in a training camp to resist waterboarding and having my genitals hooked up to a car battery, neither do I put much stock in any one of these multitude of torture tests folks run on guns. Besides, while a picture or video may be worth a thousand words, keep in mind that those words can be selected before you see them. 😉

          • CommonSense23

            ARs deposit carbon in the chamber, not debris. When people say maintain a AR. That doesn’t mean clean it. That means replace the wearable parts at the right round counts. ARs will run far better than any M1/M14 action with outside debris. It’s a superior design. I would routinely run my rifle suppressed 2000- 3000 rounds without cleaning without malfunctions. Even got it up to just over 6000 rounds without malfunction or cleaning.

          • Ben

            That and a drop of oil in the carrier every ten mags.

          • TDog

            So I can not clean the AR as part of maintenance and it’ll work just fine?

            Yeah… I’ll see how long that lasts…

          • CommonSense23

            If you have a quality AR. Yeah. Here’s what you do to keep a AR running, use quality parts, quality mags, and replace parts when they need to be replaced, and use lube. You will be good to go. The AR runs dirty fine.

          • TDog

            Note the caveat again: a “quality” AR with “quality” parts…

            Mind you, I don’t hate the AR (far from it, I rather like it), but talking to some of its devotees you’d think the darned thing could walk on water. The fact is, however, that most guns with proper maintenance and quality parts will run just fine open receiver or not.

          • CommonSense23

            The AR market is flooded with crappy manufactures and parts. And unfortunately a lot of people can’t tell the difference from good to bad. And blame it on the AR design.
            And a open top receiver with quality parts and proper maintenance will not handle the elements as well as a AR.

          • TDog

            Short of throwing a bucket of mud on the thing or running around in fields of talcum powder, most everyday scenarios aren’t going to make much of a difference.

          • In my experience? About 2.5K rounds, then you need to squirt CLP in the ejection port and it’ll run for another 1K rounds just fine…

          • TDog

            And my M1a has run about as much with about the performance.

            Thus, from the data available to me both from informed sources and personal experience, an open receiver and a closed one make no difference in reliability, performance, or endurance.

          • Cynic

            Look up the results and documentation on ‘filthy 14’ an ar15 used by a training school for about a year of classes without cleaning and just parts and lung at appropriate intervals you may be suprised.

          • TDog

            Thanks for the heads up. I will certainly check it out.

          • Zachary marrs
          • TDog

            Thanks for the link. I’ll check it out. 🙂

          • Limousine Liberal

            Thus, the piston was born. Problem solved.

          • TDog

            Which turns it into an AK. 😉

          • I will never understand piston AR people. You’ve added several parts that themselves cause issues and do nothing to improve the functioning of the gun.

          • Rick5555

            Keep an AR properly “lubricated,” and it will be reliable. Doesn’t matter how dirt it get. As long as, the bolt is lubed. and parts of the carrier. I only run NiB (Nickel Boron) BCG;s in all my AR’s. I still lube the BCG. However, in the event the BCG runs dry. and not able to lube I’m assured the BCG will continue to function properly.

          • Zachary marrs

            Just keep the thing lubed

            Its not rocket science.

            Oh, and if you dont keep the m1 action clean, it will turn into a nightmare

          • TDog

            The only gun I have seen that didn’t require being kept lubricated or cleaned was the Bushmaster M17s. Never cleaned the darned thing once and it kept puttering right along just fine. I’m curious to see how the new version of it works.

        • CommonSense23

          Relative to what your personal experience? The AR design is superior to that of the M1/M14/mini 14 design. It’s why every competent force has dropped the design when they value function over form.

          • Joshua Knott

            ha !!!!!! another ar guy who has to bash the mini, not surprised.

          • CommonSense23

            What that the AR is a superior design than that of the M1/M14 or mini. How bout the the M14/Mini folks stop trying to suggest that the guns are just as capable as the AR platform, cause they are not.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Weird GIGN MP5…

  • snmp

    Police National (civil police)
    * Berretta M12SD semi-auto
    * Mousqueton AMD (Ruger Mini14 556) select-fire carbines
    * SIG Sauer P2022

    Gendarmerie National (Police with military status)
    * HK & MAS MP5 FS
    * HK UMP 9mm
    * FAMAS
    * SIG Sauer P2022
    * Beretta 92GS/MAS PA M1S

  • iNdex

    Hey, French here. Nice article, really !
    I just wanted to point out that M12SD are being replaced by MP5F and AMD by G36C, since a couple of decades. They still are used because they are in PN armory safes though.
    And AMD stands for “Armement et Moyen de Défense”, which more accurately means “Armament and Mean of Defense”.

  • Just Sayin’

    The 80s called, they want your Mini-14 back.

  • Fruitbat44

    Interesting photographs. Thanks for posting.
    But, in picture number six, any ideas what the kneeling blonde Policewoman is doing with her torch?

  • whskee

    I was wondering when I’d see a post on the weapons they brought out. Thanks! Old or not, you have to remember that a weapon can be 100+ years old and still drop a person dead if it still functions. I hope they find all those responsible for the attacks.

  • Grindstone50k

    Can we do another post about the hats of Parisian law enforcement?

  • trjnsd

    I’ve owned a former Southern California police issued Ruger Mini4GB with a 20″ barrel (183Series) since the mid-1980’s. I got it from the agency I worked for and have no idea how many rounds went through it during the police department’s ownership. I have about 5,000 rounds through it myself. I carried it with a folding stock in my patrol bag during my working years. The Mini has only had minimal cleaning, with the stock on, in all those years.
    Sometimes I actually cleaned the barrel and chamber after shooting practice instead of once a year! When I saw photos of the French officers carrying Mini14’s I felt some pride, and guilt, so I took mine all the way apart for a thorough cleaning and check. I found some rust spots on the outside of the gas tube, a lot of carbon deposits on the gas block and some leftover carbon in the receiver. That’s it! And in all those years of neglect and abuse, my Mini14GB has never failed, never jammed in any way! Of course, I never use steel cased ammo or anything “Russian”, just because. It shoots more accuately than I can with old eyes and open sights, about 4 inch groups at 100 yards. I love it! Yeah, I’d like to have
    an AR, one of these days. By-the-way, I paid $300.00 for this Mini14 way back when. Yes, I take better care of my other firearms. The Mini just kept working anyway .

  • Foxtrot Alpha displayed individuals with G36s, too! 😀

  • jess

    Maybe someone can answer something about that entry shield for me. I’m going to paraphrase one of the popular posts floating around my FB feed… supposedly, the shield has 9 “controlled pairs” (double taps?) on it and shows how well trained the terrorists are and that’s why we shouldn’t let in any refugees (yada yada yada).

    Am I just not tactical enough to see the controlled pairs, or is it just people making sh*t up to make to bolster their viewpoint.

    • Making stuff up.

    • n0truscotsman

      That goes under the “FOS” category. Controlled pairs from a professional should be in groups no bigger than one’s fist, and at the largest, a small dishplate*.

      there’s no way to figure what order the ‘groupings’ were put in either. I also doubt the shooter could tell you.

      *assuming the ‘within 50m’ range.

  • John

    Still they’re starting to make improvements just saw pics of CT unit with MCX sbr not sure if 300 or 556 but a good step in the right direction. Its hilarious that your typical french swat team has fudd guns and tube smg that anyone could build a similar weapon in their garage.

  • Penokeo

    The French Police Nationale adopted the Mini14 based on costs. In France, it’s very common to have regular beat cops primarily armed with submachine guns day to day. So it’s pretty weak to say that aesthetics played a major role in it’s adoption. Afterall the Mini 14 was chosen to replace the aging Mat49 machine gun. The Gendarmerie cops patrol the streets with the famas since they’re part of the French military. Also having soldiers patrolling the streets in France is normal. You’ll see soldiers with the famas greeting you in airports, train stations, and the streets of Paris. Legionnaires protect the eiffel tower and tourists with the famas.

  • TDog

    The modularity of the AR has nothing to do with the fact that it has an open or closed receiver or its reliability.

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  • Rocketman

    I think that the reason that the french decided to go with the Ruger was because it looks a a “sporting” gun as opposed to an “assault” gun. If I had anything to say about their choice of handguns though I would go with the government model 1911A1 instead of the Sig. Many years ago I got mine back after being customized and decided to see just how accurate it was. Bench rest, slow fire I put three out of five in the bullseye and the other two right alongside. Inch and a half group at a measured fifty yards. I decided that the gunsmith knew what he was doing and no, he has passed on and can’t work on your gun.

  • Kivaari

    Awhile back I had a S&W M12, an airweight M&P M10, said to have been French police. My dealer had about 10 of them, mostly in unissued condition. I should have kept it.

  • trapman

    The Mini 14, while “handy” and tops in reliability, wouldn’t be my first choice. Heavy trigger and not-so-great accuracy. And, of course, the .223’s reputation regarding terminal ballistics (designed to wound, and lacks the knockdown power needed to immediately put down a threat).

  • Brian M

    Huh, I thought there were pics of them using FNC’s, too.

  • Doom

    TRIGGER CONTROL! TRIGGER CONTROL EVERYWHERE! I would make a joke about keeping fingers off triggers come naturally to the french, but they were, and are, bad @$$es, they just had a little stint where they thought pounding their swords into plows worked.