Guardian firearms safety device

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A company called Veri-Fire, LLC based out of San Antonio, Texas has designed and is selling a device that fits on the trigger guard of a handgun, and is essentially a high tech biometric trigger lock. Instead of a key unlocking it, your finger unlocks it. It was designed by two former Airmen who were prior Security Force guys. Release date is November 16th, MSRP is $299, but if you purchase one before that date, it will be $199, in addition to another reserve price of $159, which I’m not quite clear about the difference between those two last prices. It also appears to be rail mounted, wherein you access the biometric lock, and the cover slides forward, allowing use of the trigger. I don’t know how this translates to handguns that don’t have rails, or if a shooter wants to have a light on their handgun, which is a very valid reason for a home defense gun. It also appears to have a manual override but doesn’t explain how that works.

From their website-

It is a safety device that attaches to the trigger guard of your handgun via a custom adapter.  Guardian preserves the readiness of your handgun while reliably increasing safety.  A revelation in a world where a gun owner’s choices are: render the handgun you own for protection unusable or inaccessible or, perhaps worse…do nothing at all.

 

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Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

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  • iksnilol

    THE ACTUAL F***!? “lightweight, <1 lb"!!?

    They seriously think 400 grams on the end of my pistol is lightweight!?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Think of it as a workout.

      • iksnilol

        Think of it as a bludgeon.

    • Anonymoose

      Well, if nothing else, it could serve as a muzzle weight to keep felt recoil down…

      • ostiariusalpha

        Yes, perfect for that snappy .357 Sig in your life.

        • Anonymoose

          Or .460 Rowland/.50 GI Glock 21. 😀

    • Chadd

      I think it’s saying the sliding portion takes less than 1lb to push forward.

  • USMC03Vet

    So it’s like a car park, but for your trigger?

  • Esh325

    I don’t see this being popular with the average American gun owner who doesn’t want any frills on their gun and needs to be able to kill somebody at a moments notice. Although it does make sense considering the amount of children in the USA who pick up a gun and blow their brains out by accident.

    • Nicks87

      More kids drown in backyard swimming pools every year. Where’s the “smart” pool lock? Or the biometric pool lock? Or why haven’t we just banned backyard swimming pools altogether?

      • Esh325

        Ahhh the ol’ swimming pool retort! LETS BAN WATER!11111!!!

        • EmptyJay

          Nobody proposed banning water. That’s a straw man argument.

          You completely failed to address the point.

          Putting up a fence or dome around a pool is a fair comparison.

          • Esh325

            It’s interesting there are child safety precautions for a wide variety of scenarios and products, but people seem to fight tooth and nail if that is applied to firearms.

          • milesfortis

            It’s interesting that you’re so preoccupied with American gun law and products when you’re not a citizen and it doesn’t even affect you.

          • Bill

            But his point is valid – ever try to childproof a house, or see what happens when a kid try to chew on a Christmas tree light?

          • milesfortis

            “Childproofing” is a goal, that while admirable, is an ultimate exercise in futility. You do what you can.

            BUT having government, and you nanny-statists, sticking their noses in only proves one thing:You simply MUST control everything in your sight because of that overwhelming busy-body impulsive urge that just can’t wait to run everybody’s life but your own.

            The answer to this urge is to tell you this: NO! Your move.

          • Bill

            Huh? You lost me at the name-calling. You mean nanny state statists who inspect elevators and check for too many rat turds in your cereal, or that a gallon of gas from the pump is an actual gallon, and that the 110 service to your house is actually 110 volts, and not 50, or 500? Those nanny state statists?

          • milesfortis

            No, those (especially foreigners, like Esh, who don’t ‘have a dog in the fight’) who want to run my life in my own home and tell me how I have to store my own property, specifically my firearms – which happens to be the subject at hand – by the way.

            Or, were you just being purposely obtuse in the attempt to make your reply a snark?

          • Esh325

            If the result of being an idiot with a gun only effected the idiot in question, then you might have a point, but when you screw up with a gun completely innocent people can pay for it.

          • milesfortis

            And the operative word there is “can”, not will.
            No absolute there, although I think you’d like it to be one.

          • Esh325

            There isn’t any absolutes with drunk driving either, does that mean it’s acceptable?

          • milesfortis

            Diversion, as is your trolling post.
            The subject matter is a locking device on a handgun.
            But, of course, you can’t stay on topic when your argument has been trashed.
            You want to comment on what you think about a certain gun? Go right ahead, I could not care less.
            You stick your foreign nose in our business of how we run our country and I’ll be right here every time to show that you’re nothing but a meddler. We call your kind a tin-horn.

          • Dan

            It is completely unacceptable but it seems to be more acceptable than getting shot.

          • Esh325

            There was a story at Cracker Barrel where a concealed carry owners gun discharged injuring two patrons and luckily nobody was killed.

          • Dan

            There was a story of a lady plowing into a bunch of people watching a parade. People that actually died including a child. Where are the little “common sense” gizmos to prevent that?

          • Bill

            No, my purpose was to point out the fallacy of the “statist nanny state” cliche. You know, the nanny state that specifies how fuel oil and propane tanks are engineered and installed so that people who store their fuel oil and propane properties in them don’t blow themselves up because they think they know it all and are superior to everyone. Is that un-obtuse enough for you to understand?

          • milesfortis

            Again, just like Esh, you’ll divert to another subject, anything but the topic at hand – specifically gun storage.
            It’s a well known tactic of the anti-civil rights crowd ( that’s rights for you, anyway you want it, but controlling everybody else ) and you qualify.

          • Bill

            Again, you’ll be blind to the fact that these are examples of storing dangerous materials that improperly stored can pose a hazard to the owner, family and community, because it doesn’t fit your narrative. You qualify as a non-critical thinker. Pick up your ribbon at the door.

          • milesfortis

            The whole point is about a gun ‘safety’ product some idjit will probably attempt to make mandatory and you simply can NOT stay on topic.
            This is the -subject – at – hand. Nothing else.
            Of course since you can’t be ‘on topic’ all I can assume is that you really DO want it to be a mandatory thing.
            When your only tactics are diversion and snark, it’s the only logical answer. There is no other reason for you to obfuscate.
            Thanks for making the point for me.

          • Cymond

            Fuel oil and propane? Both are dangerous just to be around, (fumes) and can be easily ignited by environmental factors like a pilot light. You can’t say the same thing about guns. Guns don’t hurt people without direct human interaction. In fact, that’s what these safety devices do: restrict human interaction. If you’re worried about the gun spontaneously firing, then we should be designing bullet-proof muzzle caps and AR-500 steel boxes, but that’s not an issue because guns aren’t dangerous when left alone.

          • Bill

            WE are talking about safe carriage and failsafe devices. I could have cited NHTSA bumper height and passenger restraint regulation on cars if we want to drag in human involvement.

            And while they are essentially harmless, exploding ammo in a house fire can be entertaining.

          • Cymond

            There’s a bug difference between quality control and social control. All of the examples you listed are just the government working to make sure that what we’re buying is the same as what they claim they’re selling. So many people forget that open markets require that consumers have the information necessary to make informed decisions.

          • Dan

            I wonder why? Maybe because we shouldn’t all be held responsible for a few idiots. Why should i lock my guns up because someone didnt was not responsible or didnt parenr their kids properly?

          • Esh325

            How do I know you aren’t one of those idiots?

          • dbhm

            I certainly don’t want a breathalyzer installed on my car. I don’t even drink alcohol!

            This is the same type of issue that being forced on people, to have a trigger lock of any kind on their gun. This is an example of innocent people being punished because of the actions of one nut job.

          • Esh325

            He proposed banning swimming pools so following his illogical thinking patterns, water would be a good guess.

          • ostiariusalpha

            No, it’s an evasion. And a fairly lame one at that. If people don’t want their kids to blow their precious heads off, they could start by putting their gat somewhere a little more secure than a shoebox in the closet. If it’s not on your person then it shouldn’t be where the little gremlins can so much as lay a finger on it. Unless you want to take your kids out hunting and show them up close and personal what a gunshot wound really looks like.

          • Esh325

            According to almost every instruction manual that comes with a gun, you shouldn’t even keep the gun loaded when you aren’t using it, but people do it anyways. What do you do about that?

          • ostiariusalpha

            If you have it on your person, then you are using it, Esh. That rule is not a requirement that you must be gripping the firearm when it is loaded. If it is not on your person, then you are not using it. It is a very simple rule actually, and if you violate it then you get deal with the consequences.

          • Esh325

            And completely innocent people in America can pay the price for a stupid person owning a gun which all too often happens. When you screw up with a gun, it’s danger to everybody not just yourself. What do you do about that?

          • ostiariusalpha

            You hold the stupid person responsible to account, same as with a car (with which said incompetent is far more likely to harm innocent people). You can’t idiot-proof the world, Esh, and this trinket isn’t going to make the gun any safer in the hands of a fool. If the worry wart hoplophobes spent less time touting band-aid crap like this, and focused more on educating themselves and others to know & practice the long-standing basic firearms rules instead, that might make more of a difference then all the stupid microstamps, hand scanners, and bullet buttons that they’ve tried to make mandatory. If you want to promote the use of affordable gun safes with grant money, you’d have much more of a credible argument; or encouraging firearms manufacturers to include snap caps and literature on their practical use with any new gun instead of the pathetic cheap locks they always foist off.

          • Yang Jackson

            Esh, you’re making all of us suffer from your ignorance, limited understanding, and lack of experience with firearms. When you spew false information, it’s a danger to everyone, not just yourself. What can we do about people like you?

          • Esh325

            I’m no expert on firearms, but I have been handling them since I was 15. I know a thing or two.

          • Yang Jackson

            If that’s true, you must have been taught by criminals or complete idiots to have the views on firearms that you have. Real gun owners who grew up learning proper gun safety, know that guns are simply a tool and not the problem. Cities with the strongest gun control laws have the highest gun crime rates. Cities with the largest proportion of concealed carry permit holders have the lowest gun crime rates. It’s not a coincidence.

          • Esh325

            If that’s true why does the USA have the highest amount of gun deaths for a developed country that isn’t a war zone? Logically speaking the USA should have the least amount of gun deaths if guns make people safer.

          • Dan

            We just need to all agree when he makes a comment that we ignore him as if he said nothing at all. Let him sit there all smug thinking he sure told us. He hates the fact we have rights to our guns and we fight tooth and nail to try and limit the government telling us differently. We will never change his opinion and he will continually point out that gun deaths are more tragic than any other death and pretend to know how to fix our problems.

          • Dan

            Probably the same thing we do about people not following any other safety advice. Like speed limits or alcohol consumption while operating a vehicle.

          • Esh325

            You realize in the USA there aren’t any sort of universal law when you mess up with by accident and kill a person? For example in Ohio an Amish girl died because of a hunter accidentally shot a girl when he was cleaning his gun. Did he get charged with anything? No. Did he get banned from owning firearms? No.

          • Dan

            So if i get in a car accident i should also be banned from cars and be charged with something? What is your point? Did he purposely kill the Amish girl? Im sure you are familiar with every little detail of the case. I’m guessing you spend your free time reading news stories to help you make your arguments. So a guy makes a mistake that ends up resulting in the death of a girl and you are going to blame the entire Country because a Prosecutor chose not to charge the guy? You have just told me all I need to know about you. Just keep your nose in your own country instead of trying to pretend you understand anything about mine. You won’t look as foolish that way.

          • Esh325

            You can be charged depending on the situation, and you could loose your license.

          • Cymond

            It should be noted that his gun was pointed in what most people would call a ‘safe direction’ – up. The bullet came down over a mile away. That particular case was a bizarre fluke beyond all odds. He couldn’t have made that sky if he’d been trying!

          • Esh325

            It’s easy for you to say that as you don’t have a bullet in your head like that Amish girl. Putting it in the air isn’t safe in most situations, the ground is preferable.

          • Yang Jackson

            Gat??? Are you stuck in 1992?

          • ostiariusalpha

            LOL! Maybe, but people tend to get a bit lost when I call it a roscoe.

          • Yang Jackson

            Hah!!! Rosce!?! How old ARE you?

          • ostiariusalpha

            Hard-boiled detective fiction, especially the Sam Spade stories, are good reading no matter what your age.

          • Dan

            No because that would mean bath tubs, toilets, squirt guns, rain, drinking fountains, puddles etc… would all have to be done away with. So try again with your guess.

        • DaveP.

          Instead of babbling, how about answering his point?

        • Sulaco

          42,000 people die each year from OD on prescription drugs. Lets ban drugs!

        • marathag

          Every killer on earth has used water before a murder.

          It’s the only way to be safe

        • Sir TuberKopf

          That dihydrogenmonoxide is dangerous stuff and kills thousands.

      • Bill

        Look up how many areas require fencing and locking gates around pools as code. Then look up the settlements awarded in civil suits where kids have drowned in unsecured pools.

    • Sulaco

      You hate guns, you hate Americans and you hate their freedoms and you hate being contradicted as you are the fount of all wisdom. Why do you insist on morthing into the insane insulting and hate mongering troll here? Really dude I am asking.

      • Dan

        I rarely see him post on anything unless it gives him a reason to make a snide comment on American Policies on gun ownership.

    • Evan

      That number is actually quite low. Don’t believe everything (or anything for that matter) that you hear from the Brady Bunch/Bloomberg.

  • John

    Just for clarification, it does not look to be “rail mounted”, rather (maybe) trigger guard mounted (on the bottom of the trigger guard?). The images show a variation of a Glock Pistol (I would say Gen 2 if not for the finger grooves in the grip) with no rail. It still blocks the rail, which was your point, just wanted to point that detail out.

  • hami

    A smart lock that isn’t integrated into the gun… they are on the right track. It’s still not what we want, though.

    Biometric gun locks are the natural progression but should simply replace the locking mechanisms that we are already familiar with. Fingerprint scanners on cable locks or pop open bedside boxes, for example.

    I do want to unlock my firearm without a key or combination but when I unlock it I want it “dumb”… I want it to be no different than it is now.

    • dbhm

      Nothing a little teaching wouldn’t help. Don’t force me to have a lock on my gun because of the ignorant!

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I would never consider this unless I had kids.
    But even so when I was a kid my dad had loaded, unsecured weapons all over and I knew if I messed with them it meant my ass even though my dad never laid a hand on me. I think I understood the danger from hunting from an early age. By ten i’d seen enough blown apart animals to get it which most kids today do not.

  • Cal.Bar

    I love it! It’s perfect! Now….. we MANDATE that all police agencies around the country install it on THEIR officers’ pistols. If, after a year, they endorse it and are willing to keep it on their pistols, THEN….. I will consider it. (ok even then I won’t but… let’s face it, the cops would never allow them on their pistols so why in the world should we?)

    • West

      Kids and other people you dont want getting into your night stand or where ever you keep you go to pistol. Peace of mind that you still have the option to rapidly use your handgun when needed instead of fumbling with a lock and key or what ever have you. Just a few thoughts.

      • West

        I want to add when I say kids I mean to young or not responsible enough to know proper gun handling. Remember Safety starts with you.

      • DaveP.

        Substituting gizmos for good discipline is a bad idea.

        • Bill

          Guns are essentially gizmos, or the market wouldn’t be saturated with the latest and greatest, and we wouldn’t have had the Gyrojet.

    • Anomanom

      Only if it talks to you when you unlock it.

      *Access Approved: Judge Joseph Dredd*

      • JamesRPatrick

        Haha what happens if you’re not authorized?

        • marathag

          http://judgedredd.wikia.Com/wiki/Lawgiver

          Each Lawgiver has a sensor on its grip that is programmed to recognize the palm-print of the authorized user registered to the weapon. If anyone else, including another Judge, attempts to use the weapon it will self-destruct in the user’s hand, leaving them severely crippled or killed.

    • Bill

      Because my pistol already rides in a holster that has a cover over the trigger and I have to disengage a security device to draw it? And I’ve been trained in weapons retention? And because more and more agencies, including every federal agency, issues a lock or lockbox for their officers and agents, and policy requires that weapons are stored in it? And woe unto the cop whose gun winds up in the hands of a kid…..

    • Sir TuberKopf

      I bought a Viking biometric safe, it’s one of the more reliable, but it’s not that reliable. It’s about what I expected, and I am never the less pleased with it.

      If I come in from the workshop, the print reader won’t work until I clean the grease off my hands. If it’s cold out and my hands are really cold, it won’t open. If I cut or scratch a finger, that finger won’t open it until the wound heals, I programmed all of my fingers from different angles. When it does work, which is about 99% of the time, it works great and is convenient and fast.

      The safe I picked also has a full ten digit combination as well as a key entry mode, now that I know its limitations, I just use the keypad when I expect it to be fussy.

      This safes print reader absolutely won’t work for my wife or daughter. My daughter also has a terrible time with her phones finger print reader, and my wife required literally a half dozen scans when she was digitally fingerprinted by a professional for her work. There’s something genetic about their skin that makes these print readers fail. They must use the keypad.

      I go into the above to warn people that finger print readers can be unreliable, it’s young technology, and I would not bet my life on it. Because it is a small wall safe, the one I am using had no significant limitations for designers regarding size of the scanner, circuit board or battery.

      This handgun lock thing is tiny. I can’t imagine it’s superior. With my first hand experience I’d be hesitant to buy into it.

      • Dan

        Yea how fun would that be trying to unlock your gun if you have a band-aid on your finger or gloves or a booger.

      • Bill

        It isn’t unreliable, the reliable systems are expensive and probably not realistic unless you’ve got a fed-sized budget. Iris recognition gets around some of the shortcomings, but is even more expensive, and obviously wont work on a handgun.

        • Sir TuberKopf

          Yes is was an affordable safe at under $150, and price was a consideration. I’m not made of money!

          There were other reasons for my choice. The key entry is an X design key that’s about as pick proof as they come. They’ve had fingerprint access safes for years but this also has the full ten digit programmable keypad.

          My use, typically the full size .45 goes in it when I’m away, when I’m home my wallet and keys go in and the .45 comes out and stays close. We also keep computer passwords and links in it. There’s just too much personal info, bank access, 401k, etc that sheet of paper gives access to all our assets. I wanted a more secure place for it.

  • Noishkel

    That’s just idiotic. One hard WHACK and the damn thing’s shattered. Hell, if you really don’t care much about your firearm you’d just smack the TRIGGER guard on a Glock like that until it broke.

    Guess some real big fan of ‘gun theater’ thought he’d make some big money of this one by selling people stupid crap that doesn’t work.

    • 5flytyr .

      I’ve had a ccp/.45acp since 1967 and kept it locked up since getting it or on my person since then. No trouble / theft / unauthorized use and for my “home defense” choice I’d reach for my ’97 Winchester pump and fill it w/oobk for “social purposes”instead…..

    • iksnilol

      They say it is metal construction, so I’m not sure about the whack working so well.

  • mzungu

    I like the idea, but I hope it worked better than the fingerprint scanner on my phone, that sometime takes a few tries to unlock, specially when your finger is damp…

  • Southpaw89

    Not gonna happen, last thing I want is something between me and the trigger when my life depends on it. I’ll trust my training, practice, and experience before I trust this gadget. And if I don’t feel that’s adequate, I’ll get more training.

    • Cymond

      I’ve never used a fingerprint scanner, but judging from the comments here, they’re not ready for a task like this.
      However, I don’t think this is a safety device intended to protect the person carrying and using the gun. Rather, it seems like a more portable alternative to the locking boxes that many parents use to store guns.
      In short, it’s not YOUR ability they’re worried about, it’s your hypothetical toddler’s.

  • Esh325

    Well I’m not talking about kids choking on hot dogs, I’m talking about guns.

    • Sulaco

      But the facts don’t support your stance so what are you trying to do exacally? Other then be a troll…

    • Dan

      So kids choking on hotdogs are ok then?

  • NDS

    Glock will sue the everloving crap out of these guys for using a rough 3D Glock model. Intellectual property, perfection, etc.

  • Sulaco

    I have nearly the same bio metric reader on my computer and it works about 2/3’s of the time the first time. Sure I’ll risk my life on this to make Obamie happy.

    • Martin Grønsdal

      you are not supposed to bring this to Afghanistan, you know.

      • Sulaco

        I have no idea what you are trying to say here, your comment is semantically null. If as I suspect you mean that when I need a firearm in defense of my or my families lives I have to accept a 1 out of 3 chance it will not work….no chance in hell.

        • Martin Grønsdal

          do you risk your life in wherever you live, without a functioning firearm?

          • Sulaco

            I have a fire extinguisher and insurance I most likely don’t need either but I have them and If I do need them I will need them bad. Same with a pistol so the answer in the abstract is YES. You I think do not live in the US from you attempts to provoke. You comment like other trolls.

          • Martin Grønsdal

            but why not an RPG? what IF there is an MBT chasing YOU?

          • Sulaco

            We are done troll.

  • Chi Wai Shum

    Unlocking by fingerprint may seem fast but I don’t think it is that mature. I would trust a key.

  • Taofledermaus

    If it requires a battery… good luck

    • dbhm

      A battery, and a key for back-up.

  • Monkeyshine

    Awesome! ….another solution in search of a problem, when we all know the best gun lock is your brain, trigger finger & proper training. You can’t just out tech stupid when it comes to sheeple. As many here have said, the technology just isn’t there yet…… not enough to trust my life on it anyway.

  • billyoblivion

    I wonder how much I could get piled up in a kickstarter campaign that uses “mental fingerprints” to unlock the trigger.

  • Esh325

    I said WESTERN DEVELOPED COUNTRIES! Learn how to read. You’re comparing third world war zones like Mexico with drugs and countries in Africa. I never said mass shootings and bombings don’t happen, but the USA vs Europe there are a lot more mass shootings and gun deaths per captita because the USA has more guns. Show me the links where it says that. It’s not really enough for me to believe it from your mouth.

    • Yang Jackson

      Your idiocy is overwhelming. I gave you the website. It’s FBI.gov. Gun crime is down by nearly 50% over the last 20 years. There are an average of 4.5 mass shootings per year. In 2015 there have been 4 mass shootings so far. Besides, that whole mess that happened in France….I bet it won’t happen over here in one of our free states. You know why? Because murderers like soft targets where people don’t shoot back! In your country, it’s open season. If that were to happen in my state, those assholes would have been put down by a civilian with a side arm. If an attack does happen here, it will be in a gun control state like CA, NY, NJ, MD or the city of Chicago. Those places have the strictest gun control laws. And guess what, Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland, Trenton, and Richmond are all cities in those states where it’s almost impossible to get a carry permit. And those are the murder capitols of this country! Get a clue, Esh. You people just base everything off feelings and are incapable of thinking things through. You think that banning guns or restricting lawful citizens from purchasing guns is going to solve crime? You’re delusional. You can’t blame an inanimate object for man’s actions. It’s like the war on drugs…..it’s futile. It’s a waste of trillions of dollars and it’s just for show. Esh, there’s a difference between BEING safe and FEELING safe. I know for a fact that I’m as safe as I can possibly be. What about you? If a maniac were to kick in your door to rape and gut you and your entire family right now, would you be able to handle the situation? Do you have the tools and training? Or is your plan to call the police so they can come clean up the mess?

  • f.t.

    Yes but is it Ma. Compliant because as most residents in Ma. know, Ma. if ruled by control freaks who want to control every aspect of ones freedom?
    Even gun locks have to be approved by someone in Ma. who is apparently all knowing, total supreme wisdom on all things gun related.