CZ P-09 and Discovery Channel

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This video is intriguing. It is like a roller coaster. It has interesting sections where it shows some of the manufacturing processes that Česká zbrojovka does to make the P-09 pistol.  But then it plummets with unrelated segments and information. I question the people who made this video. There are assertions made and a segue that does not make sense in this video clip. Perhaps I am missing the context of the segue since this is edited. The segue in question is the part where the narrator talks about the two Delta Force soliders that died in Blackhawk Down. I was waiting to see if they were going to suggest that the pistol used by MSG Gary Gordon and SFC Randy Shughart was a CZ pistol. But they didn’t. So I am not sure why that segment was in there to begin with.

The next ridiculous notion is that rusting steel “cures” the metal and hardens it.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • MrEllis

    Is a robot narrating this? Yeah, it seems like this is patched together from two docs… doesn’t matter, had CZ.

  • Strongarm

    Leaving the steel blanks outside for a long time as open to the weather conditions is a common and old application of the Old Continent craftmanship and is believed to get better metal structure.

    What strange in this video is, footage and animation differ in applicated process. Cleaned barrel blanks are not rifled with a rotating cutter, but hammered over a fixed reverse rifled carbide core.

    • Giolli Joker

      I studied it years ago and the memory is fading, but I think that the reasoning behind keeping forged steel parts outside to “age” had to do with letting out hydrogen, the presence of which, especially on some kind of critical and massive components (e.g. naval engine shafts) could lead to catastrophic failures.

  • Julio

    Thankyou for “segue”.

  • Christopher Armour

    “The rusty outer bark is scraped off”

    Did I really just hear that? WTF?

    • Phillip Cooper

      It’s called “Mill scale”.

      • Christopher Armour

        Mill scale is not what they were talking about in the video. They brought the weathered/rusted barrel blanks in from outside, put them on a lathe, and started machining them down. They called the rust, “bark”, and they said the lathe “scraped” the “bark” off. I see no reason they couldn’t of just used the actual terminology. I think they underestimate their audiences learning capabilities.

        • Phillip Cooper

          Concur. I hadn’t gotten that far in it yet.

          But then, it’s Discovery Channel. They probably expect the audience to be waiting for Ice Road Truckers to come on.

    • BrandonAKsALot

      Czech barrels start as secret Arctic Birch. They are that good that they make the steel form on the inside and have to remove the bark when the barrel is ready to hatch.

      • Christopher Armour

        I’m about to purchase a P-07, hopefully they pull my barrel blank from the same species of secret arctic birch. Maybe if I’m lucky they’ll quarter-saw my barrel and I’ll end up with some nice figuring.

        • BrandonAKsALot

          If you’re really lucky they’ll leave it out a little too long and it’ll sprout some baby .22 lr barrels to come along with it.

  • asdasd

    Notice round placement in firing animation.

    #LOLDISCOVERYCHANNEL

    • ostiariusalpha

      Pfft! Only lesser guns worry about trivialities like chambering and extraction. The P-09 fires ghost rounds that can sit INSIDE the firing pin housing of the slide, that way you can show the gun is clear in the chamber, but still shoot the smirk off a bad guy’s face when he thinks he’s got the drop on you.

  • BrandonAKsALot

    Obviously Nicholas C doesn’t even cure his steel. Come on man, everyone knows you leave your steel out in the rain as much as possible so it becomes better. It’s great for your firearms.

    ***totally not a comment paid for by Bloomberg***

  • Kelly Jackson

    Letting steel rust is a valid practice, BMW used to do something similar to it’s racing engine blacks back in the 1980s

    • Mark Everett

      I was going to make the same comment, but I will add to yours instead. The BMW blocks in question were cast iron I-4s from the BMW 2002 Tii (model, not model year). These blocks were then used in the turbo engines that BMW supplied to Formula 1 teams in the 1980’s turbo era. In qualifying boost, they would produce upwards of 900 BHP or more.

  • tony

    I’m more interested in knowing who makes those cnc machines and other capital equipment at CZ.
    Without those, there will be no P 09

    • Kuckameck

      Manufacturing machines are one of the main Czech exports (just behind cars), so it is a safe bet that the equipment used by CZ comes from the Czech Republic too.

  • Llewellyn Franks

    Is no one going to mention that CZs are blowback operated and not recoil operated like they said in the video?

    • iksnilol

      Uh, CZs are recoil operated, like most pistols.

      • Llewellyn Franks

        Wow Ive been mislead all this time. I thought that browing designed based pistols were blowback. Plz no bully

        • Yeah, I fully encourage you to research action mechanism. It’s the heart of the weapon! It’s very interesting, and monumental to understanding guns and the history of gun engineering thought.

          • Llewellyn Franks

            Oh dont get me wrong, firearm engineering is a huge interest of mine. I guess I just wasnt that interested i handguns so thats how that slipped past.

          • OK I see! This means a lot to memorize, handgun locking systems are quite numerous ))

          • tony

            You are partially correct, the slide’s rearward movement still depends on the blowback force of the casing. The barrel and slide travel back together to unlock its action. After that, it is blowback.

          • ostiariusalpha

            No, it’s mostly recoil after unlocking, whatever gas is still being expelled by the casing is pretty negligible at that point.

  • Tonyfaan

    I’m from Taiwan and just watched this show couple weeks ago. Didn’t it played in the US? I guess the blackhawk part is just to highlight the importance of pistols. Due to the budget, pistols were only issued to offices, which make it rare to soldiers.

    • Believe me, who gets pistols doesn’t have anything to do with budget, especially with the ridiculous money US pumps into its military. Since the days of cavalry have passed, pistols were traditionally officers’ weapons, regarded as a weak substitute for a proper weapon. Afterwards, other people who have to be _nominally_ armed embraced the lightness and cheapness of a pistol – like police, clerks and night guards. The day is still to come when every soldier is armed with a handgun – and soldiers themselves are the main reason. Until a pistol weighs like a BiC lighter, it’s going to inconvenience the soldier, who has to haul incredible amount of heavy stuff on deployment. Special forces use them because they are expected to find themselves alone, in abnormal situations and fighting for their life, with high chance of running out of ammunition or losing their weapon.

      • Tonyfaan

        Sorry for misunderstanding. I mean Taiwan and pretty much most of Southeast Asia countries which with not that much on national defense budget. And one more reason is Taiwan is able to manufacturer our own T62 & T91 rifle but all pistols used by M&P were imported. So pistols were really not that common in army.

        • As far as I understand, pistols are really the last thing that an army needs. Maybe this was the consequence of that fact. Pistols are, at best, the emergency weapon for very battle-ready servicemen, and mostly just a token of authority and a last safeguard in case of a criminal / discipline situation.

  • Hey, it’s a Seezee family recipe! What right have you to criticize the famous weather-hardening?

  • INFI

    So who made these graphics?? Nothing like a bullet firing way behind the chamber, or maybe it’s the seasoned bark in the way??

  • Leigh Rich

    Pretty good show…whish they would have shown the injection molding of the pistol frame however. Well done

  • Eric S. Nagy

    “Most popular pistol to date” “Default pistol for police and military around the world” I could only wish it was.