SALT your Home Intruder

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A project called SALT- A Safe Gun for a Safe Home has been started on Indiegogo already has over $12,500 raised in just 17 hours. Essentially it is a project aimed at introducing a non lethal solution into a home defense scenario, so no matter who breaks into your house (or while concealed carrying), there is no way you’ll be able to kill the aggressor. The inventors of this product believe that a compressed packet of salt and whatever other magical mixture is included, has the ability to halt and temporarily incapacitate an aggressive intruder or attacker, possibly with the intent on not only stealing, but also physically harming and/or killing the intruder.

From the inventor-

These smart bullets are the magic sauce behind SALT. Engineered to stop an intruder without killing a curious child in case of an accident, these small spheres are a huge leap forward in the tech you need to keep the people you love safe in your home. Includes 10 extra SALT Rounds

That might stop a normal human being in a normal state of mind. But how about someone crazed on drugs intent on doing you harm?

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I can’t begin to criticize any of this from a serious self defense standpoint.

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Picatinny rails are included.

Granted this isn’t a firearm, but it is completely irresponsible of the inventors to not include a safety disclaimer. I don’t care how non lethal this tool is, but I’m absolutely positive that a plastic ball at a muzzle velocity of 320 feet per second can make someone permanently blind, provided it is pointed in an unsafe direction.



Miles V

Former Infantry Marine, and currently studying at Indiana University. I’ve written for Small Arms Review and Small Arms Defense Journal, and have had a teenie tiny photo that appeared in GQ. Specifically, I’m very interested in small arms history, development, and Military/LE usage within the Middle East, and Central Asia.

If you want to reach out, let me know about an error I’ve made, something I can add to the post, or just talk guns and how much Grunts love naps, hit me up at miles@tfb.tv


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  • Will

    Never, ever, underestimate the ability of people to something stupid with a gun of some sort.
    This is a prime example.

  • Marc

    Their idea is that the “toxin”, whatever that is, does all the work – so the ballistic performance is irrelevant. It does however raise the question of how effective this “toxin” is. My guess is not enough.

    • Phil Hsueh

      The so-called toxin that they mention is nothing more than pepper spray, why they call it a toxin is beyond me.

      • Anomanom

        Well, capsaicin (the stuff that makes hot pepper hot) is actually a natural toxin. Not likely to kill you, but a toxin nonetheless.

  • Victor Lourenço

    So, a criminal breaks into your house and you season him? What the hell is this for? Fending off angry ghosts?

    • Dan

      Add garlic and you have an anti vampire round. Some silver nitrate and no more werewolves. Not sure what you do for chupacabras or Bigfoot.

      • Otm Shooter

        Dillo Dust for chupacabras đŸ˜‰

      • Chris

        Dan ,add RDX & small pistol primers to the “SALT” rounds

        • Dan

          Im all out of RDX, can i borrow some from you?

    • Sianmink

      You know it doesn’t shoot salt like the bug-a-salt right?
      It’s just got a stupid name.

      • Victor Lourenço

        So you’re telling me it won’t work against ghosts?

        • Sianmink

          Are they ghost criminals?

    • iksnilol

      Handy for cannibals.

    • TJbrena

      In case Earth is invaded by giant snails and slugs.

    • Grindstone50k

      +1 for Supernatural reference.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Yeah, filling my house with toxic gas sounds like a good idea. Guess ill cross my fingers and hope he passes out before I do.

    • Dan

      Maybe we should just plumb our houses with Nitrous Oxide. When bad guy enters we pull a firealarm looking thing. 10 minutes later we are laughing and being goofey with him

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Or maybe ill offer them a strong drink and invite them to take off their shoes and maybe theyll fall asleep so I can call the cops.

        • Dan

          I like it, saves me from having to tear my walls open to put piping in.

    • Grindstone50k

      Cleaning up CS gas is a damn nightmare. I’d rather just have to put some spackle over a small hole in the drywall and replace the carpet.

    • Anomanom

      Its pepper powder, basically its a pepperball with a different name.

  • Michael Rice

    Didn’t some Police department somewhere in the US already do experiments with CS powder or capsicum powder in paintballs? These guys have good intentions, just poor execution. I could see this working to a limited extent for those that fear for their lives but are more afraid of guns or for one reason or another CAN’T have a firearm.

    • Dan

      Yea pepper balls. I have heard they aren’t always effective. Also the risk of taking out someones eyes when you merely want to subdue them kinda turns people off to them.

    • Bill

      PepperBall is at least 15 years old, probably older. Phazzer introduced a similar concept a couple years ago.

    • Kelly Jackson

      Boston and their use of the FN 303

      It was pretty effective, it just had severe loss of accuracy after a few hundred rounds resulting in an officer shooting some random woman and killing her when he was shooting a bottle thrower.

  • At the distances inside a home, a pepper spray would be by far more quickly and efficient.

    • Twilight sparkle

      Thing is pepper spray also works on the person using it when you’re in closed spaces.

      • Xtorin O’hern

        i also have a feeling that this could possibly have the same effect, i mean if they got into my house and began to charge me and i land for say 3 hits on them what stops the cloud from basically following in their wake and effecting me too.

        • Twilight sparkle

          I would think so too, usually I recommend something like a ruger 10-22 for home protection so you don’t have to worry about over penetration.

        • All the Raindrops

          It’s a dumb product.

    • Tassiebush

      The most hilariously dumb thing I ever did was use pepper spray inside as a substitute for fly spray against a European wasp. It was pretty unpleasant lol! Still if the other person gets the majority of the payload I guess you’re in the better position.

  • lurpy

    It looks like they’re selling it as sort of a long-distance pepper spray alternative, not as incapacitating someone with a literal packet of salt. Personally I think it’s kinda dumb, but it’s better than nothing if it works as promised. I also don’t think you can legitimately be outraged at a failure to include a disclaimer on a product that isn’t actually for sale yet.

    Also, if you’re going to ask us not to be political, can you stop referring to gun control as a “liberal agenda”? Making gun rights synonymous with conservatism just keeps people from exploring shooting sports for fear of being associated with people on the internet screaming about liberal agendas.

    • Esh325

      The reason TFB is the only firearms news site I follow is because they don’t lecture me on how Obama is a Muslim Nazi who is going to ban all guns in the USA.

      • Dan

        Pfft c’mon we all know it’s Hillary thay is the Muslim Nazi who is going to ban guns.

        • Bill

          But she’s not from Kenya. Probably some socialist stronghold like Sweden.

      • All the Raindrops

        Truth hurts eh?

        • Cymond

          I have no delusions about the truth, I’m just sick of constantly hearing it every minute of every day. It’s like “ok, we get it, can we just talk about guns today?”

          If I wanted nonstop political whining, I’d read literally any other gun blog.

    • Dan

      I know a lot of Democrats some really liberal who own ARs and shoot more than I do. They also believe gun rights should be in the “liberal” platform. They are more true liberals rather than the progressives that hijacked it and turned it into what it is today.

      • Ethan

        Liberal vs Statist. That’s the distinction you’re looking for.

        • Sulaco

          Truly a distinction without difference.

        • Dan

          Yep that’s it. Thank you.

      • All the Raindrops

        Yet none of their elected reps share that view, so by continuing to elect them, they are just digging the grave of the 2nd amendment. Regardless of what they tell themselves or you to make them feel better about their poor choices.

        • Grindstone50k

          Same could be said of R’s and all other freedoms recognized by 9 other amendments.

          • Rock or Something

            Not in recent times, it’s the left-leaning Democrat administration and bureaucrats that’s been infringing on the entire Bill of Rights, particularly the 9th and 10 amendment. I believe referring to the U.S. Constitution is “micro-aggression” these days.

          • Grindstone50k

            Only if “recent times” is only limited to the current administration. And the Republican’s abuse of the 9th and 10th to defend their bigotry and statism is inexcusable, just as the abuse of the 2nd by Ds. Neither support freedom for all.

          • All the Raindrops

            The current administrations lists “Constitutionalists” as domestic terrorists.

          • Bill

            Along with Sovereign Citizens, and other people who make it up as they go along. What is a “Constitutionalist?” An expert on the Constitution? Someone who can interpret, explain and teach others about it? Like a Constitutional Law professor? Like Barack Obama was? Or more like Tim McVeigh.

        • Dan

          By “I know a guy” I’m actually refering to the majority of my family from my mothers side. They are the epitome of a modern democrat until they open their gun safes. For some people they don’t go to the polls to just vote for the second amendment. They feel there are other causes that are of higher priority. In this state however their voice will never be heard. Not anytime soon anyway.

          • Bill

            i’m one of those guys

          • Dan

            Uncle Bill? Remember that one time you told me you were going to pay me 20 bucks for mowing your lawn? Pay up!!!….with interest. Haha

    • Sianmink

      It should more accurately be called leftist, authoritarian or progressive agenda.

    • TexTopCat

      Does anyone think it would stop a Mike Brown from beating you to a pulp?
      I have more faith in my Glock 17.

      • lurpy

        Well, maybe not as well as the Taser that Officer Wilson wasn’t carrying because it made him less comfy. It would definitely stop Tamir Rice from playing with an Airsoft gun in a park though.

        • TexTopCat

          Only if the officer knew there was no threat and walked up within a few feet and there was no wind.
          If you think the threat level is low enough that something like this would work maybe there is not a threat that would justify any action.

          • Grindstone50k

            Yet the officer felt safe enough to drive literally right up on him… but, yeah, much threat. so unsafe. many danger.

          • All the Raindrops

            Did you see the video of Brown robbing the store and roughing up the cashier? He wasn’t a Gentle Giant merrily on his way, that night at least.

          • Grindstone50k

            Did you see the part where I said anything about Brown? No? Go read again.

          • Bill

            In all reality, the officer would have been justified in driving right up over him. I’m not taking someone with what reasonably appears to be a gun down with a 240 grain round when I can take them down with a 4,000p pound one.

          • Grindstone50k

            In what hellish nightmare of a world do you live in that it would be completely justified for cops to run over a kid playing with a toy in a park? Nazi Germany?

          • Bill

            I live in the real world where cops have to act on what they perceive in the immediate chaos of an evolving situation, without the benefit of omniscience or 20/20 hindsight, in timespans measured in hundredths of seconds. You live in a nicer neighborhood where everything is a 2 minute news story, and because you’ve watched TV shows about fictional cops you have a wealth of expertise in what they should have done. You must be telepathic – how else would a person be able to tell it was a kid playing with a toy? A toy that happened to be an excellent replica of an actual firearm, in an area where kids carry actual firearms and shoot each other, and other people, on a regular basis, becasue you had third hand information that it “might”be a toy? which also means that it “might”be real.

            Do a couple ride-alongs.

          • Grindstone50k

            Did you watch the video of the Tamir Rice shooting? They literally drive right up on him, then jump out and shoot him near point-blank. Tell me, if you truly believe someone is wielding a real AK, would you drive up right next to them then hop out before shooting them?

            The more macro issue at hand is the power of the state to use deadly force against the people. If we keep finding excuses to justify the state using lethal power against the citizens, we quickly lose citizen status and gain the status of subject. Say, isn’t that what the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect against?

          • Bill

            I’ve watched the video hundreds of times, as I do every OIS video I can find. The officer’s actions can only be judged by the information they could have reasonably be expected to have and the actions they could reasonably be expected to take, which include literally thousands of different options. And that’s not me talking – that’s SCOTUS in Graham v Conner and Tennessee v Garner, the legal standards that governs the police use of force. They decided your macro issue right there, and they may tighten it, or loosen it, in future cases.

            As to your first question, see my first response: if I truly believe that someone is wielding a real AK, I’m NOT going to drive up, hop out and shoot them- I’m more likely to drive up and over them. It’s not about “him” and “me.” Its about the context of the situation and the greater safety of the community. I can’t professionally, legally or ethically permit others to be placed at risk of death or serious physical harm, in a FREAKING PUBLIC PARK, by a person wielding what is reasonable to believe is a deadly weapon, in what is reasonable to believe is a way that indicates the ability and intent to use that weapon, based solely on the information I have access to at that moment in time, NOT by what is later found to be accurate in hindsight. Tragic? Yes. Improper procedures? Maybe, maybe not – every officer will respond differently to some degree, and the agency has to decide whether or not it fits into their use of force policy and procedures administratively. Illegal? No. The Supreme Court, which renders decisions based SOLELY on their Constitutionality, says it wasn’t.

            I’ll cut you a break on my consulting fee – that’ll be 200.00 dollars, where should I send the invoice?

          • Grindstone50k

            “if I truly believe that someone is wielding a real AK, I’m NOT going to drive up, hop out and shoot them- I’m more likely to drive up and over them. ”

            So you just publicly stated you are going to assault with a deadly weapon those who Open Carry .

            Everything you just posted is all an excuse for “shoot first, ask later”.

          • Bill

            ” …a person wielding what is reasonable to believe is a deadly weapon, in what is reasonable to believe is a way that indicates the ability and intent to use that weapon, ”

            Reading comprehension – give it a try.

          • Grindstone50k

            And that is determined when you drive right up on (or over) somebody? Are you going to shout “HE’S COMING RIGHT AT ME” as you’re doing it? Excuses for fascism are still excuses.

          • Bill

            Guys who argue like you are why the expression “whatever” gets so much use. Defending the public and yourself against a realistically perceived threat is not fascism. You don’t get it because you don’t want to get it, fine, but I’m confident you would have lit up this poor kid if he was in your house with his toy gun in the dark.

          • Grindstone50k

            You just keep showing your true colors. Conflating someone being in public with someone breaking into your home is the proof of your inability to understand the problem with police executions.

          • Bill

            You just keep showing your true colors, conflating the justified use of force with “police executions.” There have been prosecuted and unprosecuted “police executions” for sure, but none of your examples fall into that category.

            Again, go on a couple ridealongs, show us how it’s done. Volunteer with your local agency – change comes from the inside. Go through a use of force class. Then get back to me in a year.

          • Grindstone50k

            Ah yes, the old “thou shalt not criticize authority” boot licking. Sorry, that’s not how a free society works.

          • Bill

            There are none so blind…

            Of course, if you did get out and actually study the issues and get involved, you might find that your preconceptions are wrong, and some people can’t handle that. In a free society you can go to a park knowing that if someone is waving a gun around, the police will go into harms’ way to keep innocent people from getting hurt of killed.

            People are doing plenty of criticizing of the police lately, in case you hadn’t noticed. Not many of them are signing up to actually do anything, except protest and burn the occasional local business.

          • Bill

            There’s a big difference between walking down the street with a holstered handgun, and standing in a public park actively brandishing something that is identical to a handgun, Nice straw man.

          • Kelly Jackson

            Tamir Rice wasn’t in a park, he was on the street in front of a community center that was a known gang hang out and had seen previous shootings within the last year.

            If you’re going to be outraged by something could you at least be outraged by something that actually happened?

          • Grindstone50k

            He was in the gazebo in the park, the cops drove into the grass right up next to him. That is what happened and is clearly visible in the surveillance video. That is what actually happened.
            If you’re going to pretend to know what you’re talking about, you should at least have some actual evidence to support.

        • Grindstone50k

          Or John Crawford from not doing a damn thing wrong and get shot anyway.

    • Slim934

      1) Leftist is a more accurate term for these people than “liberaL”. Why the right ever allowed them to co-opt the term instead of calling them out for the Orwellian doublespeak types that they are escapes me.

      2) I do not understand why people object when the right points out that the most prominent leaders of the political left have openly admitted that their long-term goal is confiscation. The “gun control liberal agenda” is a 100% true policy preference. This is not like “Obama is a Muslim” nonsense; the leftist desire to impede arms ownership (very well exemplified in the Democratic party’s platform) is easy to verify. There might very well be tons of gun owning Democratic party members. But when they continue to elect people who have a verifiable history of proclaiming a desire for outright banning and confiscation, it is hard to think of them as anything other than intellectually schizophrenic when they proclaim that extensive control and outright confiscation are NOT part of that party’s policy. It’s like when Republicans claim to be free-enterprise and yet actively and continuously vote for party shills who advocate stuff like the Ex-Im bank or other crony capitalist bullshit like it.

      The fact of the matter is that what is currently called “political conservatism” IS to a large extent synonymous with very lenient firearms ownership laws, and that “liberal” generally means the opposite. Is it depressing that this is the case? Yes. But that does not make it any less true, so there is little point in not calling a spade a spade here.

    • Rock or Something

      Take it up with the modern Liberals then. Although certain aspects of Statism is embraced by people of all political stripes, Gun Control is one issue that is largely endorsed and embraced by American Liberals.

  • Don Ward

    Great way to get sued and lose your house.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    “Now, I completely realize the anti-gun, liberal agenda going on here…”

    “Please keep comments off the political spectrum..”

    Make up your mind, dude.

    • I talked about the actual mechanics of the object, not the political implications.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        “Liberal agenda” is a very specific derogatory political term.
        Dont act like you dont know that.
        Why not simply change the site charter and talk about “Obama-nation” and all that other crap and ill go elsewhere for hard gun news.

        • Hey you pointed out a valid claim, and I redacted the article, you’re absolutely right to call me out on the “liberal agenda”, and I shouldn’t have put that in there to begin with. Thanks for that.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Fair enough.

            I happen to agree with you that this thing is ridiculous.

          • All the Raindrops

            The liberal agenda as far as “gun control” (i.e. eventual confiscation) is a thing. It exists. To deny or censor its’ existence is to be complicit in it.

          • Sulaco

            Listen to the White House you enemy of the people. They Hil and Obamie only now want to institute the “Australian Solution”…

          • nadnerbus

            It’s not that it does or does not exist. It’s that making it a daily part of TFB’s way of doing business will turn this place into The Truth About Guns in no time. Look at the (relatively polite) squabbling even from just this. It becomes distracting and detracts from the main point of this blog, which is appreciating guns and all things gun related.

            For what it’s worth, I tend to agree with you. I live it out here in California. But this just isn’t the venue.

          • All the Raindrops

            I am in Norcal/Nevada area too, we’re on the front lines.

          • Dan

            We could just say the gun control crowd. I know many liberals who support the 2a

          • Limousine Liberal

            Why do you need a real gun? You have salt now! Go ahead…turn them all in.

          • lurpy

            Not many sites/contributors would admit to making a mistake. Respect.

        • All the Raindrops

          Keep your head in the sand and pretend the DNC doesn’t want to confiscate your guns.

          Unfortunately it’s impossible to be apolitical when there are so many out there who would see you disarmed by swat team.

          And if you vote dem, you are complicit and will get what you’re asking for (whether you know what you’re asking for or not.)

          • lurpy

            Funny how people whose elected representatives all venerate Ronald Reagan (you know, the guy who signed California’s open carry ban because it wouldn’t affect “honest sportsmen” and signed the 1986 machine gun ban) are terrified of the other party.

            Do I agree with the Democratic platform on guns? Nope. But I disagree with the Republicans on just about everything else. That and being registered in a non-battleground state is why I voted for Andrew WK in 2012.

            In any case, maybe the anti-liberal rhetoric is self-creating, did you ever think of that? There’s a long history in this country of progressive use of the right to keep and bear arms (see: the Monroe Gun Club under Robert F. Williams, the Black Panthers, the Pink Pistols and Stonewall Shooting Sports, the Liberal Gun Club). But when conservatives declare ownership of the Second Amendment, and paint the choice as EITHER gun control OR gay rights, access to birth control, healthcare reform, labor unions, living wage laws, international diplomacy, prison reform, etc., etc., the fact that people choose the latter is on the conservatives. Gun rights have nothing to do with any other political issue, but the rhetoric of the gun lobby (see, e.g., vote against 95% of your interests and beliefs or you’ll be disarmed by a SWAT team) has pushed away the libertarian-leaning liberals who should be their natural allies.

          • Rock or Something

            Ugh, I wish people stopped referring to the 1986 without context. The original point of the 1986 bill was to curtail the abuses of several government agencies (including the ATF) that was using capricious and arbitrary means to restrict firearms rights to citizens. The “machine-gun” ban was tacked on to the bill by a Democrat last minute. We can argue whether or not Reagan should have vetoed the bill on those grounds (he obviously didn’t) but few at that time batted an eyelash with the amendment. The original intention wasn’t to arbitrarily ban machine guns or fully auto rifles.

          • Grindstone50k

            Keep trying to make a political argument. You’re just making yourself look even more ignorant with every post.

          • All the Raindrops

            Ignorant about what?

            The topic of guns has become very politicized.

            Though I agree it should not be, it is what it is.

          • NO politics means just that. Stop the political comments.

        • Anonymoose

          People who are truly liberal are pro-gun, as “liberal” stems from “liberty.” Those whose only goal in life is to debase everyone and everything and banning self-defense and self-empowerment to get “equality of victimhood,” are more aptly termed “neo-progressives,” and Theodore Roosevelt is spinning in his grave.

      • Nicks87

        Yeah, it’s kind of hard to represent a website that claims no politics when you make comments like that.

  • Dan

    A plastic ball traveling at 320fps can totally make you blind. My friend took a paintball to the eye fired from a passing car some 20yds away. He lost his eye.

    • Matt L.

      That’s terrible. My sympathies to him.

    • Kelly Jackson

      What about an arrow to the knee?

      • B.K.

        I used to be an adventurer like you…..

      • Dan

        That came later

    • Grindstone50k

      Knew a guy who took a 400FPS .25g airsoft BB to the eye. Ended his flying career.

  • Nathan Harris

    “TFB: Firearms not politics.” Yeah, not so much.

  • Sianmink

    It’s literally just a Tippmann TiPX paintball pistol with an extra $60 mark-up and 10 balls of ghost pepper powder.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      “One squirt and you’re south of the border”

      • Sianmink

        MMMMMmmm Incapacitating!

      • LMAO! Excellent reference.

      • John

        Ah, Simpsons. Is there anything they haven’t touched upon?

    • Nicks87

      You’re right, regardless of the political nonsense, this “firearm” is a joke and not at all a serious defense weapon.

      • Anonymoose

        It’s also going to get a lot of hipsters and libbies sued if they ever use it (assuming the burglar doesn’t just kill them first).

  • Sianmink

    LOL ok I just started the the video. Are they seriously handling powder ghost pepper extract with bare hands?
    They’re going to have a bad time.

    Also I’m pretty sure aerosolizing it through a baby powder bottle will not replicate the terminal effect of the tiny amounts they have in the little paintball shells. “A single SALT round disperses a cloud 4-5 feet in diameter.” Yeah no. I’m calling you out. No freaking way.

    Any reasonable test should have him shot with a few of these in the chest/belly, and then accomplish a set of tasks. I don’t see that here.

  • oldman

    I would rather use a 410 with shells loaded with salt or better yet a 12 ga.

  • Matt L.

    To spare those who haven’t yet wasted the time on watching the video, the “test” these folks use is to waft some of their magic powder in a guy’s face. He literally just coughs and sneezes a little, and holds his eyes shut. That’s it. He moves around just fine and talks. He’s obviously not having fun, but that seems to be the extent of it. If he was an actual, nasty bad dude, I imagine he’d simply beat the SALT-wielder to death out of sheer rage (never mind if he had a baseball bat, knife, or pistol, or was on meth). But at least he’d be coughing and sneezing while he did it, and the homeowner didn’t have to use an icky, scary gun. So… moral victory?

    This will get good (if naive) people killed. These jokers have no friggin’ clue what they’re doing, and the tragedies it will lead to.

    To the team behind this product, I’d ask the same question Kevin Spacey’s character asks the protagonists in Horrible Bosses 2: “Why were you born?”

    It’s that bad.

    • lurpy

      It kind of looks like it’s filled with the fake tear gas that Tough Mudder uses to make people mildly uncomfortable.

      • Dan

        Isn’t that basically vicks vapor rub? That’s what it smelled like. It was my favorite obstacle i could huff vicks all day long.

        • lurpy

          Just got back from TM Tri-State, and yeah–smelled like mint and eucalyptus. That said, a woman we were running with told us they had screwed it up once and pumped in way too much and people were vomiting at the exit, so they might be erring on the side of caution now.

          • Dan

            Haha that would be fun to crawl through

    • Dan

      Even with that I still had to watch the video. I wish i hadn’t

  • iksnilol

    Save $80, buy it direct from Tippmann: http://www.tippmann.com/p/tipx-pistol?pp=24

    The only special thing about it is the ammo.

    I kinda wish now somebody made legit .70 caliber centerfire pistol ammo.

    • floppyscience

      I’m sure someone would try if we didn’t have inane “destructive device” laws.

  • Joshua

    so, it’s a paintball gun loaded with pepper spray instead of paint? I doubt that paintball could hold enough pepperspray to be effective with anything except being shot in the face, and getting shot in the face with a paintball gun can do permanent damage

    Interesting idea, but methinks it was obsolete as soon as it was concieved

    • Hudson

      Corrections Offices have been using pepper paintballs for quite a while, just start unloading into the center if the brawl, does a pretty good job after the 20 or 30th ball hits.

  • Kevin

    Hahahahaha He said black powder. These guys don’t know the first thing about “Violent guns” lol

  • HenryV

    Will it come in a nice none lethal bright orange just in case it being black triggers somebody?

  • Bal256

    Somehow they made something even dumber than the gun condom.

  • Josh

    I happen to know a guy in high school that took a paintball to the eye without eye protection. He did have to have eye surgery to repair the damage but I’m not sure if his eye was ever 100% again. So you may not completely lose an eye but can cause pernament damage.

  • Bill

    Given that this is pile on TFB day, why always 2-3 days behind Soldier Systems Daily with the same basic stuff?

    And nothing about the guy who got this pulled from IndieGoGo? That’s a lot more interesting than this bootleg copy of what another company did 15 to 20 years ago.

  • savaze

    When I was in the Army we had to fight our way out of the tear gas house after we’d been exposed to get our “GO.” I don’t see how this will do much to stop intruders. I’d also like to see the effects of dispersion when someone is running while being shot with their salt rounds. I strongly suspect the person firing these rounds will be exposed too, due to the proximity of these conflicts.You’d be better off using pepper spray or just buying a gun and doing it right.

  • I can’t take any ad seriously when they play that stupid Where The Wild Things Are hipster music.

    • Tassiebush

      I hate hipster’s! They’ve ruined zombies and are a continual threat to the perception of men with beards.

      • Grindstone50k

        As a non-hipster with a beard, I concur.

  • Matt L.

    There’s really only one way to effectively use pepper spray in home defense: go the route suggested by “the Tactical Professor,” in his worst-case scenario (multiple armed attackers breaking in with intent to kill).

    Keep gas masks by the bed for you and your SO, along with a riot-control pepper-spray grenade. You hear people break in, open the door, pop the grenade, and toss it out. Get your mask on and do the same for your SO. Wait half a minute or so and then exit the house; if you encounter anybody, shoot them in the head.

    (obviously this is a bad idea if you have kids)

    • lurpy

      “(also, obviously this is not really non-lethal)”

      Really?

      Man, I have been doing non-lethal all wrong.

      • Matt L.

        It’s an easy mistake to make.

    • Sianmink

      Kids. or carpet. or furniture. or anything in your home that you want to keep after it’s contaminated by so much irritant.

      • Matt L.

        Eh… if multiple armed people are coming after me, that’s the last of my concerns.

        (not that that’s ever gonna happen unless the mob is coming after me or something… just that it’s the only tactical scenario I’ve heard of where pepper-spray products would actually be useful)

  • Cymond

    This seems about as realistic and practical as the Prime Guard nonsense.

    • Rex Krom

      “Stop or I’ll shoot!!”

      • Joshua

        Screw that noise, break into my home and I’m just going to shoot. You get no warning.

    • Sianmink

      right picks the lock when he could just bust the glass and turn the deadbolt by hand

      Also doesn’t show what happens after she makes him cough some.

  • YS

    Is this thing legal?

    Some states have some very strict restriction on pepper spray, and have explicit limit on the strength that can be legally purchased by civilians.

    • lurpy

      I live in DC (for now), and while pepper spray is legal (stun guns and Tasers are not), it has to be registered with the police just like guns do. Waiting for the first person here to buy one of these things and get arrested for possession of an unregistered firearm AND unregistered chemical spray.

  • Taofledermaus

    Does it come with a sign to put in front of your house saying, “Warning: Intruders will be met with NON-LETHAL force”. ?

    • oldman

      No it comes with one that says caution criminals with high blood pressure beware of possible intake of large dose of salt.

  • Mark

    Just buy a Taser.

  • Gary Dobson

    Maybe the liberal anti gunners will get them and piss some hopped up crack junkie who happens to have a machete…….
    I’ll stick to my 45ACP and 12 ga 000 buckshot…….amoung other things.

    • MrEllis

      Just shows your ignorance, I’m extremely liberal and progressive and I own several firearms. Also, who does crack anymore, lay off the contrived bull. Hyper paranoid blather is no way to win people over. If someone wants a salt gun the chances of them using it are insanely tiny. If it gives them a security, be it false or not, so be it.

      • Bill

        Crack is almost as hard to find as PCP anymore. And I haven’t heard “hopped up” since Nancy Reagan’s Just Say No. But apparently she took a lot of goofballs in the 60’s.

  • Southpaw89

    While I can see the value in this I wouldn’t trust my life completely to it. It seems that many home invasions I hear about involve an individual who is on some kind of drugs, and as a result they may not respond to pain in a predictable manner. I can see keeping this alongside my bedside gun, and using one or the other depending on the situation, but I would always have a firearm handy.

  • BearSlayer338

    If someone breaks into my house or if I’m in a situation where I have to draw my weapon,the last thing that goes through my head is not killing the bad guy,we have the Castle doctrine where I live and if someone breaks into my house while I’m home they will be leaving in a coroners van one way or the other.

    • Biker6666

      What’s the “other” way?

      • Grindstone50k

        We don’t talk about “the other way”…

        • Dan

          I heard someone mention “the other way” im packing my things and leaving. I remember what happened last time someone spoke of it.

        • Tassiebush

          Call our friend Z

        • Limousine Liberal

          Made me literally laugh out loud. Nice.

  • Sianmink

    No, Authoritarians did. And they can wear red or blue ties without bias.
    I didn’t say anything about Liberals.

  • Spyco

    If the intruder wasn’t a seasoned criminal, he will be now!

    • me ohmy

      what? no pepper spray??
      SALT and PEPPER come onnnn…Gordon Ramsey will be doubly pissed off

  • Tassiebush

    If you shoot someone in the behind with this is it assualt or ass salt?

    • Rex Krom

      Ahah I see what you did clever boy.

  • me ohmy

    I got a better one…the DOGSHOT weapon system.. it’s a pit bull with an buttfull of ghost pepper…..when he see’s the intruder…the DOGSHOT engages them, and makes them stop. DOGSHOT (Defensive OHMIGOD Got Scrot He’s Obviously Ticked)
    for your home security needs, nothing beats an enraged dog with an buttfull of ghost peppers…other then getting him to let go of your jimmies

    • Joshua

      Dogeshot.

      • Squirreltakular

        Much pain. Very defense. Wow.

  • me ohmy

    great…it’s a BUGASALT for people…eesh

  • oldman

    I still say a load of rock salt out of a 12 ga. would be much better.

    • me ohmy

      timely remembrance of pain

      • oldman

        A serious reminder that there are worse things then being killed. Pain can be a very effective teaching tool.

  • Tom Currie

    They are looking to fund invention of A PAINTBALL GUN! By the way, paintballs filled with CS are already available and likely to be a LOT more effective than salt — but it typically takes multiple high-chest hits with CS paintballs to temporarily stop someone.

  • Mike Washburn

    Boy, I would sure hate to hurt anyone’s feelings just because they broke into my house and were a threat to my family. Don’t forget: “Know the law, training, practice”. Another thing, a debilitating chemical cloud 5 ft in diameter? So if the bad guy has to be shot at close range both shooter and shootee are stunned and the one who wakes up last loses.

  • Joshua

    Curse you black powder muzzle loading HD guns!!! CURSE!!!!YOU!!!!!!!!!

  • INFI

    HEY Remember !!!!!!!

  • Tassiebush

    I reckon a karcher full of cloudy ammonia would be way more effective and fun

  • Bronezhilet

    But what if the intruder is already salty?

  • jerry young

    you read about people being shot multiple times with large caliber rounds, about being tazed and tear gassed and it doesn’t stop them, what makes anyone think a little pepper spray mixed with salt or whatever it is will do what nothing else will? if your going to need to defend yourself against attack a firearm is still the best method

  • DW

    This thing needs a bayonet mounted: you stab the walking trash then you salt the wound.

  • Otis Tyme

    I turned it off after seeing two dudes holding hands.

  • BlindGoofy

    OK, so now the bad guys will have to start breaking in wearing ski goggles and a balaclava. Oh, wait, they already do that!

    Next!

  • Veloxto

    I really like the music they used for the videos. Does anyone know what it is?

  • RA

    Might as well use airsoft. I won’t be in the market for this one. I’ve seen video of a guy hit by police fire run and attack for several seconds after a “lethal hit” This will do NOTHING to stop a determined attacker. If they hit eyes it will stop otherwise…. good luck.
    And $17,000 already? Really. Who thinks this is a good idea. Maybe for police with back up to incapacitate someone but for home protection….. No thanks

  • ezmoney2884

    As someone who has played a good amount of paintball and owned both low-end and high-end paintball guns as well as a few BB guns, this seems unsafe to rely on for home defense. C02 cartridges are like flashlight batteries, when you need them the most, all the energy has drained out.

    Paintballs are pretty inaccurate also. I mean i know they cover that issue with the spread of the airborne toxin, but not knowing exactly where the projectile will hit makes it pretty dangerous (a lot more dangerous than the video implies).

    Bullets have a long shelf life and (usually) go where i want them to.

  • Nicholas Chen

    They should do a prison test. Test it on criminals whose objective is to run and hurt them. Then they can see if it will stop a criminal.

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  • BrandonAKsALot

    This has already been scrapped anyway. Imagine the repercussions when someone in CA or NY pulls this out of their bag/pocket/purse when someone scares them and ends up arrested or gunned down by police. Probably not the best scheme of aesthetics. Making not a gun look like a gun and a SD “tool” is a pretty bad idea IMO.

  • Out of the Blue

    So, PepperBall with a different irritant mix?

    • J.T.

      Yes, along with 2 $220 paintball guns and $2 worth of CO2 cartridges. So you are paying $207 for 20 pepperball rounds and 20 training rounds that are filled with talcum powder.

  • Sianmink

    It might if you hit him in the eye!

  • guest

    so chill music. such filters and cutscenes. many slomo. very nonlethal. Wow!

  • Anomanom

    So basically, its a rebranded TPX painball pistol firing a rebranded Pepperball.

  • Just say’n

    Hmmm….bringing a paintball pistol to a gun fight. Sure way to get yourself killed.
    I hope they include a pre-printed Darwin Award with each sale.

  • Limousine Liberal

    As a defense weapon? Fail. As a fun way to tenderize and season meat for the grill? Awesome. I can’t wait to get one…I’m setting up my porterhouse, fille and chicken breast shooting range in anticipation.

  • Heylighen Maxime

    .38 spcl and lead poisining.

  • Robert Griffith

    This is nothing more than a fantasy of the liberal left and like all fantasies it will fail to live up to reality. That reality is that there is really no such thing as an effective non-lethal weapon that will render firearms obsolete. Firearms have been the gold standard for weaponry for going on 500 years now with no sign that it’s going to change anytime soon. You can’t put that genie back into the bottle.

  • Grindstone I’ll borrow your comment to make a statement. This isn’t meant for you.

    All the raindrops most of your comments have been deleted if they were political in nature. If asking nice doesn’t work we’ll take this route. This is dead serious no politics!

    • Grindstone50k

      Good stuff, Phil.

  • MrEllis

    In before people go batshi… too late.

  • jay

    So use a salt pistol as your primary weapon? With a Glock as back up of course……

  • Darren Duvall

    The Pic rail is on the wrong side. Make one of these that mounts under an AR-15 barrel with a forward trigger like an M203 and you’ll sell more of them. I would be interested in a nonlethal option, as long as I had a lethal option as well.