A Look Inside The PP-2000

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Gun blogger and MVD agent KardeN released some rare high-definition photos of the unique Russian PP-2000 submachine gun. This lightweight select-fire weapon was designed as a concealable PDW and CQB weapon for VIP protection and special police and military units. KardeN’s blog is here, but for whatever reason his post on the PP-2000 does not appear to be present. However, the photos are still available:

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These photos of KardeN with the PP-2000 illustrate just how small the submachine gun is:

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KardeN’s photos also give us a rare glimpse inside the submachine gun:

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The gun splits into upper and lower halves, retained by what I believe is a push-pin, like an AR-15. The receivers don’t hinge, however.

 

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The field-stripped PP-2000 with all its subassemblies. Two mags, the folding stock, and the light unit. Note the very small size of the bolt assembly. Despite this, the blowback-operated gun can fire powerful 7N31 armor-piercing 9x19mm ammunition.

 

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The lower housing is about as simple as it can be. Note the very large U-shaped hammer, which suggests that the hammer substantially delays the rearward travel of the bolt.

 

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The lightweight bolt assembly earns some mass via the large forward charging handle section, similar to a miniaturized Winchester self-loader.

 

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More photos show how KardeN’s gun would be configured in use:

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The PP2000’s top rail allows mounting of laser pointers or red dot sights. In this configuration, the iron sights of the gun do not appear to be usable, so aiming is presumably done entirely with the laser.

 

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The PP-2000 feeds from a two-position double stack steel magazine of 20 or 30 rounds.

 

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The PP-2000 features an integrated light unit, which inserts through the forward pistol grip.

 

A promotional video for the PP-2000, in English, is embedded below:

 

Thanks to Retiv for the tip!



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • PXN

    I would love one of these

  • mechamaster

    It’s like “Russian space-Uzi” for me.
    But hey, the gun can still have room to be improved a little bit like to extend the upper rail and redesign the charging handle so it’s easy to manipulate.
    The most awkward is, the ‘swivel-charging handle’ is somehow too flimsy and hard to manipulate in high stress condition / while wearing artic mittens.

    • Giolli Joker

      The charging handle shouldn’t be that hard to manipulate, I think that even with arctic mittens you should still have enough clearance to stuck the palm of your hand between the folded charging handle and the front sight, then you just have to push and remove your hand moving it up to release the bolt.
      The short rail gives enough clearance to do so.
      A longer rail wouldn’t really look necessary on an SMG.
      The swivel charging handle helps with concealment, that was apparently one of the design goals.

      • mechamaster

        Snag free-concealment PDW.. Now that makes sense.

      • Dave C

        I’d omit the swinging lever completely and put a surface on the end that fingers could get a hold of from either side… A bit like the M3A1 “Grease gun” perhaps, but ambidextrous. Oh. And I’d make the stock the holster it rides in too…

        • Green Hell

          Charging handle was exactly like you described in the prototype, but it was universally disliked. Photo is up in the comments.

  • Giolli Joker

    The light module is fugly, but the gun itself is super cool.

  • Wosiu

    Correction. PP-2000 have 20 and 40 rds magazines.

    BTW. Civilian semiautomatic only version of PP-2000 and modernised version are under work at KBP Tula and will be released in 2016-2017.

    • Giolli Joker

      Very interesting to know that there will be a civilian version, thanks.
      It’s already a closed blot SMG, the semiauto version should not differ much from the one with giggle switch, which is good.

      • Alex Agius

        to bad the ammo this was designed for is illegal (at least in the usa)

        • Sianmink

          It should run fine on 9mm NATO and +P+ self-defense rounds but yeah, don’t expect to ever see 7N21 on these shores.

        • Deltervees

          What makes the ammo illegal?

          • Sianmink

            hardened steel core AP pistol.

    • Green Hell

      Doubt about civilian version. Any small guns other than rubber non-lethals are banned in Russia, and the law is about overall gun length, not barrel. I see no way to make this gun legal without turning it into a monstrosity.

      • iksnilol

        Add long barrel, add long fixed stock.

        Problem solved.

        • Kivaari

          It would have to be built in the USA. Our import laws prohibit just about every thing required for a semi auto rifle. You know, the evil assault weapons.

      • TJbrena

        Russia legalized real guns for civilian self-defense recently. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

        • Green Hell

          I’m russian living in Russia, so i know it’s not true. Civilians still can’t buy guns for anything rather than hunting and sport and it’s still very restricted – no hanguns allowed and rifles can be purchased only after owning a shotgun without any accidents for 5 years. Killing in self defence will 90% garantee you a prison, if anyone buys a gun for it, than it’s only because “better be judged by 12 than carried by 4”.

          • TJbrena

            My information was faulty or misinterpreted then. My bad.

    • Doom

      too bad it wont be coming to the US anyways. Thanks obama -_-

  • hking

    No way that thing is ever getting imported to the US as a pistol, would have to come as a 16″ barreled rifle.

    • Sianmink

      A semi version would definitely have enough points for import, it’s not like it’s small or anything.

      • hking

        Integrated VFG dawg, no go on a pistola.

        • Sianmink

          Ah, true. It would need a redesigned lower receiver.

        • Xtorin O’hern

          i thought that the law said that you could own a pistol with a VFG so long as it came from the factory like that

          • That’s interesting, do you have a source for that ruling? If so then it would be possible to make a US pistol similar to the pp-2000, which would be awesome.

          • Xtorin O’hern

            no source, just remember hearing it somewhere but it may have only applied to pistol grip shotguns or something, not sure

    • The Obama sanctions would prevent this, as would the 1998 Voluntary Restraint Agreement.

  • Dave C

    One weird Uzi… Seems like a good PDW. Nice to see that the Russians haven’t written off 9mm just yet, instead developing within the limits of the cartridge. Now that there is purpose-made armor piercing bullets and odd “spoon tip” polymer/copper molded projectiles such as those marketed now by Ruger, the 9mm looks slated for continued use even as the U.S. military prepares to jettison the M9 at some point, like, maybe, by 2020 or 2025…

  • Sianmink

    What happened to the version that uses a spare 44rd magazine as a buttstock?

    • nobody

      It’s the same gun, if you look at the picture where it’s disassembled (10th from the top) you would see that the stock goes into that same hole and has a cut in the same place that the magazines have a cut for the magazine catch. Although I really don’t see the purpose in that feature.

      • Green Hell

        The purpouse is to have AMAP ammo with the gun, without a need to carry extra mag pouches. It’s not just a military PDW, it was designed for consealed carry as well.

    • Green Hell

      Nothing happened, just watch the video, you can remove the stock from the slot and put a mag there instead.

    • Otm Shooter

      Step 1: Make Civi Semi for US market
      Step 2: Slap an arm brace on it (on that spare mag!)
      Step 3: Profit

      • No way would it be importable. The Voluntary Restrain Agreement between the US and Russia prevents such things, alongside the new Obama sanctions.

        • Otm Shooter

          Very true. Just a fantasy.

        • Cal.Bar

          Obama has nothing to do with it. There has been a total ban on foreign “assault weapons” since 1994. You’d have to do a lot more than make it semi to turn this into a “sporter” to import it.

          • He was saying pistol, which are not impacted by the ban you are referring to (which actually is a 1989 EO).

        • III J

          yeah, effin’ thanks, obongo!!!

          • MANG

            Remember the sanctions are in place for good reason. More accurate to “thank” Putin.

  • Dracon1201

    The beauty brings a tear to my eye.

  • santi

    I really am interested in owning a civilian version, it’s so unique. I assume that it is automatically an AOW purchase in pistol configuration being that It has that vertical fore grip as part of the chassis? I would go straight for an sbr stamp regardless.

    • Green Hell

      Sanctions. Russian guns banned in US.

      • santi

        Ah yes, forgot about that. Welp, shit.

  • Take the Bushmaster ARM Pistol, base it on an AK. Go!

  • claymore

    LOL nice small package too bad they are still in the last century in flashlight development.

    • iksnilol

      Uh… it was kinda designed 15 years ago, flashlight tech was last century for everybody then.

      • claymore

        right sure I have been selling mini-mag flashlights since 1982 how long it that….. OH right 33 years.

        • iksnilol

          *facepalm*

          The size isn’t as important as the amount of light output. I am sure they’ve been making small flashlights since flashlights existed. But the ultrapowerful supercompact flashlights are pretty new.

          • claymore

            You think that giant is ultrapowerful?

          • iksnilol

            No.

            But you were concerned about size, the mini-maglites are pretty damn weak.

          • claymore

            Right and we had nothing better years ago right?

  • Ben

    Another SMG joins Russian Spec Ops about half dozen now. Everything from the Bison to this is in use.

  • Zugunder

    About laser-only aiming, it kinda makes sense actually. I remember watching Russian documentary about this gun, where one of the designers of this gun said that they had to redesign stock based on feedback from SF that tested it. Basically, they wanted stock to go to where your elbow is instead of shoulder, so they can hipfire it with one hand, while other hand will be free for other stuff, opening doors, grabbing hostages etc.

    • iksnilol

      I think they wanted the low stock not because of hip fire but because of helmets with visors getting in the way.

      I know there are stocks like that for pretty much any SMG used by police.

      • Zugunder

        Yeap, that’s reasonable! I just telling what I seen in documentary! Can’t find source, sadly.

  • USMC03Vet

    Can’t a manufacturer just copy the design and then sell it in the US?

    Then again the deterrent of somersaulting spetsnaz showing up in the middle of the night maybe preventing this.

  • HenryV

    In some ways this is the ideal police side arm.

    • Giolli Joker

      Even a sensible replacement for the M9… just saying…

      • HenryV

        Yes. We have to be brave and admit it; handguns are hard to use. 🙂

        • Mazryonh

          About the closest thing to the PP-2000 in the west is the B&T MP9.

          They used to release companion stock/holster units for old handguns like the Mauser C96 to make them easier to aim and handle. No one does that anymore, so it’d be difficult to see just how much of an improvement that feature gave.

          • HenryV

            Yes I think the stocked handgun as it were is a dead branch of firearms evolution.

          • Mazryonh

            Now if only they had vertical foregrips they might have a little more longevity.

          • HenryV

            Well didn’t the full auto 92’s have little VGs?

          • Mazryonh

            It was a neat concept but you can’t really get much of your offhand on one. Nowadays even the MP7A2 has a rail you can put a foregrip on, when it’s earlier versions just had a folding foregrip that was rather narrow and more difficult to get a good grip on.

          • HenryV

            Yes. I am warming to the MP7.

            Beretta always made their SMG with VGs; there have been lots on TV during the troubles in Paris as the French issue domestically made copies.

    • Mazryonh

      It’s compact enough to put many places (such as a motorcycle bag or even on a large enough holster), the stock folds and unfolds quickly, it’s quick to aim with a laser and/or red dot sight, easier to aim and use than a handgun, is select-fire and can be comfortably used one-handed if need be.

      You can also use the ammunition in a companion sidearm, but I don’t know if the PP-2000’s magazines are cross-compatible with a handgun.

      • HenryV

        Exactly. Yes it is bigger than a “handgun” but the benefits certainly out weigh that. I would actually go further to say that where the traditional service handgun scores over this in situations like a vehicle check where the officers needs both hands and access to their side arm just in case then the full size handgun is itself to big. You are dealing with ranges of what a yard give or take. (Actually a lot of police work takes place at that range.) What would be better would be a small get off me gun in a chest holster; take your pick with the model say something like a Jetfire. Service guns thankfully hardly get used. The traditional handgun though is still too much of a compromise.

        • Mazryonh

          I thought that subcompact Glocks were the “belly guns” of the 2000s. Still, the PP-2000 is small enough to be used like a handgun, as is the MP7 from Heckler and Koch.

          • HenryV

            I mean those range of guns that fit between mouse gun and shrunken proper guns.

          • Mazryonh

            So would a revolver with a shrouded hammer be a “shrunken proper gun” to you?

          • HenryV

            Revolvers are always proper guns to me. 🙂

            I think what I am trying to say is that it needs to be as least an encumbrance to the officer as possible but still be effective at 2 yards; in the context of the officer having the folding stock “handgun” in the patrol car. A driver (and passenger) are pretty much hemmed in. Of course in a lot of instances in big places there will be two officers.

          • Mazryonh

            Who says a weapon needs to be on the officer’s person? Surely there must be door-attached and ceiling-attached gun racks for cars now.

          • HenryV

            Long guns often “ride” in the trunk these days. But of course the personal protection weapon has to be with the police officer.

            As for storing stuff in doors that is a non-starter for all sorts of reasons.

          • Mazryonh

            Might as well make use of what space there is for other things, then. Ballistic glass and ballistic plates in car doors might be a good starting point for more police cruisers too.

          • HenryV

            Police patrols would be better much off in a small van than cars. I am amazed how long it has taken for the small estate to become the standard police vehicle here in the UK.

  • The PP-2000/ 7N31 combo is one of the most practical PDW’s on the market:

    3.09 lbs vs 4.18 lbs of HK MP7
    13.38″ OAL vs. 16.34″ of HK MP7
    7.2″ Barrel vs. 7″ barrel

    Ammo:
    7N31 9MM AP = 65 grains hardened steel penetrator @ 1967 fps / 560 ft/lbs
    4.6x30mm DM 11 Ultimate Combat = 31gr @ 2360 fps / 373 ft/lbs

    The only changes I would like to see is the “grip light” replaced with a magazine well, for holding a spare 20rd mag in the grip, and then a short section of pic rail above the grip for thumb actuating the LED light.

  • Southpaw89

    Wonder if that magazine storage solution could fill a similar niche to the arm brace, would having a mag sticking out the back of your pistol make it an SBR, or would that only be the case if you were to shoulder it?

  • John

    It doesn’t look comfortable to hold.

    • Mazryonh

      The hole in the foregrip looks rather risky. If you put your thumb in it and get pushed in the wrong way, you could end up breaking your offhand’s thumb.

  • Mc Cain

    The PP stands for “pew pew” … right?

  • Mazryonh

    It’s a nice, practical design that looks like it could well fit into its niche.

    I’m still waiting on someone to try something like this in 10mm Auto though . . .

  • The specs have it piercing 30 layers of kelvar + 2 1.2mm titanium sheets @ 50m, which leads me to expect that it would be capable of piercing most IIIA out to 100 yards.

    Now for longer distances I suspect the higher BC of 4.6 & 5.7 would likely lead to better accuracy/ flatter trajectory, but most PDW’s are realistically going to be used within 50-60 meters (and more likely, 50-60 feet.)

    • Mazryonh

      The standard you quoted sounds like the old CRISAT standard. In this day and age of Level III rifle-resistant plates, it seems to me as though this standard is outdated, unless the users of those rounds go for headshots or limbshots.

      A good spitzer-tip shape isn’t the only way to get good a flat-shooting trajectory. Higher mass helps energy retention at longer distances to a degree, which is why when fully-loaded, 200 gr. 10mm Auto bullets can have more energy (to get enough penetration) at 100 yards than the .45 ACP has at the muzzle.

      Still, the PP-2000 makes me wonder whether 9mm AP loadings would be adopted by other armed forces.

      • The thing about plates is that virtually all current rifleammo is outdated. Once armor becomes as ubiquitous as AK’s (give it 10 years) pretty much every currently fielded standard military round will be obsolete. Already you can get a set of boron carbide level IV plates from China/Norinco for around $180, and prices will continue to drop.

        I expect that this will require either a complete switch to Tungsten and DU ammo, more reliance on explosives like 25mn and 40mm, or a complete switch in training emphasizing shooting everywhere but center of mass.

        • Mazryonh

          Tungsten and DU are toxic, and the former is hard to source for most places. There’s been countless people killed by limb shots, so perhaps that doctrinal change will come, until we come up with ballistic materials that can be worn over the vast majority of the body (like the knights of old) and “heavy infantry” will be a thing again.

          I hear there are already thermobaric versions of 25mm and 40mm grenades. That’s not going to be stopped by an armour plate, let alone the more common White Phosphorus grenade versions.