Big 3 East: Triumph Systems Targets

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Here is one of the newest companies out at Big 3 East. Triumph Systems made their debut down at Big 3 East.

Jared Ogden, former Navy SEAL and now CEO and Co-Founder of Triumph Systems, came out to Big 3 East to show off his line of target systems. He noticed a lack of dynamic training within the law enforcement and self-defense market.  His goal is to bring some of the tier 1 spec ops training that he got as a SEAL to the commercial market.

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He has two types of targets. The first is their Threat Down silhouette with 3D representations of the brain, lungs and heart. The 3D portions contain a non-toxic liquid. When those areas are hit, they ooze out the liquid. This interactive silhouette will retail for $15 per target.

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The next target system is their line of Pop Packs. The Pop Packs are like a big Capri Sun drink pouch. They are filled with different colored non-toxic bio-degradable liquid and the bags have different shapes printed on them. These are used for training or competition. You can have shooters race each other while having a non-shooter call out a color and shape. Then the shooters will have to ID the target and shoot it first. They are a great training value and instant feedback. They allow for multi-variable judgement drills. Cost effective and Fun! A case of 12 Pop Packs will retail between $10-$15.

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Here is a video of me, Jared Ogden and competitive shooter Cheyenne Dasilva shooting the Threat Down and Pop Pack targets.

 

The third product is the Pivotal Trainer is the most interesting to me. It is an RF remote controlled target spinner.

The Pivotal Trainer has two modes, auto and manual modes. Auto has a few settings that cause the Pivotal Trainer to run random scenarios. The Manual mode is controlled by a second person overseeing the shooter. I could see this working well in action matches with a Range Officer manning the controls.

The Pivotal Trainer starts off by holding the target 90 degrees to the shooter. Jared calls this the “edge profile”. The remote can control how long the Pivotal Trainer holds that target, what direction it will turn, how many degrees it will turn and how long it will stay in any given position.

Jared showed it off by having two targets, one on each side of the cardboard. One is a silhouette threat armed with a hand gun and the other is a non-threat silhouette armed with a cordless drill. The pivotal trainer can spin to either direction showing the threat or non-threat. It is then the shooter who has to ID the threat and respond accordingly.  Very cool training aid for many scenarios.

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Here is a picture of the remote control.

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Photo shot by Matt Korovesis of Outdoor Hub.

 

I asked Jared a few questions about the Pivotal Trainer. Such as cost, range of the controller and will there be a plate to protect the spinning motor.

The Pivotal Trainer’s MSRP is $250 or less.  The remote control is RF and operates in two modes – – manual and random (for single person training or for professional firearms instructors as well and as a tool to focus more on the actual student) and has the ability to rotate multiple 360’s (or 180’s or 540’s and so on).  The range of the remote control is 50 meters.
In random mode, the defensive shooter will first select if he or she is training from the holster or outside the holster (low/ high ready).  This sets the bell curve and randomizes the time period the target will be in edge profile (from the defensive shooters vantage point).  Next the defensive shooter will select how long he or she wants the target to present itself for the purposes of positively ID’ing threat/ no threat and acting accordingly.  The options for target presentation are 1.5 sec, 3 sec, and 4.5 sec.  We intentionally started with 1.5 seconds because we feel a defensive shooter needs to be able ID a threat and neutralize that threat (from the holster) in under 1.5 sec as many violent encounters and attacks occur at close distances.
As far as the deflective plate for the motor, we are sourcing several options and closing in on the solution soon, but it will increase protection to motor from common training calibers (9mm).  That said, if the defensive shooter is throwing rounds off paper, he or she ought close distance and / or increase the time that the target presents itself.
Here is a video shot by Andre’ Dall’au.
https://youtu.be/dwByd8bSix8
The pivotal trainer looks to be a great target multiplier. I see this being used in action shooting matches. A typical drop turn target can cost around $400. You could have this instead. It would be cheaper and the turning target would be more consistent with the presentation.


Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Id rather shoot Capri Suns.

  • Jeff Heeszel

    Dollar store 2 liter sodas for us cheap skates.

  • Don Ward

    For that price, it better include Triumph The Insult Wonder Dog mocking the way I shoot.

    But in all seriousness, an interesting product.

  • Bill

    The cost for the turner isn’t bad at all, though I’d like to know what type of power source it uses and how weatherproof it is.
    The others are messy gimmicks that have far less expensive options if you just have to shoot something that leaks.
    That’s “Tier 1 Specops Training?”

    • Jared

      My name is Jared Ogden – former Navy SEAL and I’m the co-founder of Triumph Systems.
      Power source is 6 x AA batteries and also the option of routing an extension cord for direct plug in…. Constructed with water resistant components. Not recommended to be used in rain, but if it gets a little wet, it should be fine.
      As far as Tier 1 training, it’s the foundation that matters and the point is to create shooters that think first. That’s why Tier 1 guys (like myself) incorporate colors, numbers, shapes, symbols etc. in their standard range training. It’s metrics that measure shooting in sequence and using memory that are used to determine shooting proficiency and more….
      Another aspect is that it’s going to make shooting more fun and we all know that we naturally do things that are more fun.
      I really do appreciate your thoughts. Please keep them coming on this forum or another…. Looking forward to you getting product in hand and experiencing Triumph Systems first hand! Thank you!

      • USMC03Vet

        Do you know Don Shipley, Bro?

        • Jared

          Not personally, but we’ve met a time or two. We have close mutual friends.

  • Jared

    The Threat Down Silhouette is a tool that defensive shooters can train with that further enhances realism in their training experience. We know this from case study after case study and it’s been pointed out time and time again by respected experts…. like LTC Dave Grossman in his books “On Combat” and “On Killing”. Most folks are not psychologically prepared for what results when defending themselves or their family in the event of a violent encounter / home invasion / movie theater mayhem…. As a believer in the Constitution and 2A, it’s our right to bear arms, but I believe that the state required tests (in the case of CCW) isn’t enough. This is to help folks prepare for the event that we never want to happen… but happens all too often at present.

    • Grindstone50k

      Because in reality, blue liquid oozes out of your lungs when shot.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      You’re right about CCW classes, they’re a joke, but no silhouette target is going to simulate the stress of combat and prepare somebody for a mass shooting incident. I think its definitely in your best interest as a businessman to encourage that line of thinking but I believe it’s borderline irresponsible. Certainly someone with your training could reasonably be expected to respond well in such a situation but the average or even above average range shooter would most likely get themselves shot or worse ventilate another bystander.

  • Grindstone50k

    The “bleeding target” has been done to death by the ZOMBIE industry already. Way to be late to the game with an over-priced gimmick.

    • Eric

      I think the Threat Down target is great…. I’ve personally shot the zombie industry ones and those things are like $100 (and hard to find in stores). I couldn’t afford to purchase them except maybe once a year at the annual campout. With these new targets I can buy 6 targets for the same price as a zombie ind one. I can’t wait for these!

      • Grindstone50k

        If that’s what you want to shoot, have fun.

        • Eric

          Will do!

  • Eric

    Great looking products Triumph Systems!

  • Train like you fight fight like you train.

  • stephen

    I see the Threat Down silhouette as an expensive fad target that won’t last long. Mind you I’m not high speed, low drag, tier 1 guy but when it comes to more realistic training, I go cheap. I paint shapes and colors on paper, use cutouts I can place on targets, etc. My fav is using old clothing.

    I use IDPA or IPSC target that’s dressed with a t-shirt or some similar clothing. Then put a hat on the head area then work from there. Its different than shooting targets where you can see the bullet holes in the paper; when students see they missed an area they make corrections. However with the shirt covering the target, especially with darker colors, it creates a situation where you really have to be sure of your shots. This is unnerving for many students but it drives home the point that in a real shooting situation you most likely wont see your hits.

    I like the rotating pivotal trainer – surprised its not water proof. I like the fact that is battery powered and the price is not bad – still a little expensive for cheapskates like me but its getting closer.

    Still looking for a DIY motorized moving target that won’t break the bank.