Most Americans Cannot Join the Military

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According to Business Insider, most Americans, who would typically be in the serving age, are not likely eligible for military service. The Army estimates that less than 27% would qualify according to standard enlistment criteria.

The U.S. Army’s major enlistment requirements include:

  • Ages between 17 and 34 years old
  • Must be U.S. citizen or legal foreign national
  • Must have high school diploma or equivalent
  • Minimum 33 score on Armed Forces Qualification Test
  • No tattoos on fingers, neck or face
  • No ear gauges
  • No ADHD medication win the past 12 months
  • No felony convictions
  • No persistent illegal drug use
  • No insulin-dependent diabetes
  • Meet height & weight requirements

The major reason? Young people are overweight and others are subject to mental-related restrictions.

As quoted from Business Insider:

The biggest single reason for failing to meet the requirements is obesity. Maj, Gen. Allen Batschelet, commander of the U.S. Army Recruiting Command, says obesity is becoming a national security issue.

“The obesity issue is the most troubling because the trend is going in the wrong direction,” he said. “We think by 2020 it could be as high as 50%, which mean only 2 in 10 would qualify to join the Army.” He paused. “It’s a sad testament to who we are as a society right now.”

Yikes! Time to hit the gym.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • 2wheels

    It took the Army sending me to Korea to understand how fat Americans truly are, it’s ridiculous! You rarely ever see fat Koreans, and even their fattest can’t compete with Americans…
    What’s worse, is Americans are more concerned with not hurting the feelings of obese people than we are solving the problem, and it IS a problem.

    • WFDT

      I spent 3 weeks in Estonia amazed at how not fat Europeans are.

      • Bart

        Hell, even going to Canada can give you an idea of how fat Americans are. I was just in Vancouver B.C. and noticed people were decidedly thinner than they are here in Washington State. Women are thinner and sexier in Vancouver than they are in Seattle or Portland

        • andrew bernard

          nobody cares about Canada

        • Jim_Macklin

          Visit a WalMart, take your time.

          • Jim Davis

            Oh my. Is she coming or going?

            Could be the difference between public nudity or not.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            I can´t tell. Ever seen the Exorcist, when she turns her head 180 degrees?

          • durabo

            Built-in water wings?

          • DB

            Those are “BINGO WINGS!” All the way to the elbows! They go into action while yelling “BINGO!”

          • fishydude

            And that is why some are willing to pay a little more to shop at Target 😀

        • fishydude

          That’s because Seattle and Portland are infected with radical anti-woman/Anti-men feminists. 😀
          Ever notice how much anti-men feminists try to dress and act like men?

          • Ellen Degenerate, for instance.

          • fishydude

            My lefty sister got PO’d when I referred to her that way. That was back when her sitcom turned into a GAY show and stopped being funny.

        • Just my .02

          Not sure Seattle is a good place to take a sample; I understand the women there don’t shave their legs or underarms, but, point taken.

    • Cal S.

      But, but, muh body image! Beauty at any weight!

      • Anonymoose

        Yeah, nah.

        • Anonymoose

          I know a guy who would choose the girl on the right, but he’s also a furry who brews his own “vodka.”

          • Mag2

            HAHAHAHA. Damn.

          • Cal S.

            As referenced in my comment above, I live an active lifestyle and I love it that way. That’s one of the main reasons I won’t get into a relationship with someone like on the right, because it’s clear they don’t enjoy the same level of physical activity that I do. So why would I pursue them if it would mean giving up an essential part of myself? If we’re truly supposed to be ourselves, then women should respect that.

            But no…

        • Cal S.

          I’m swearing off sodas.

          Oh, wait, I already did. Down to two/week at most. Proud to say that my heart is in lovely condition and has been for years since I started eating right. May have something to do with living in Colorado. Those mountain trails tho…

          • Grindstone50k

            Haven’t had any in 6 years.

          • Bart

            Soda is one of my weaknesses (Pepsi and Coke). I can easily down a 32 oz soda every day, if I let myself. I try not do have more than one or two a week, and really should give them up altogether. When I want to lose weight, I get off the soda, and onto my bicycle. Ten miles a day on the bike makes a world of difference.

    • kipy

      But have you had a Baconator? It is sumptuous.

    • Joshua

      Political correctness of all flavors my friend is ruining this nation.

      • Anonymoose

        How dare you, sh*tlord!

        • Joshua

          The interesting thing IMO, is that even if all these people could join the military, I would bet most couldn’t take the verbal abuse during boot camp thanks to this country coddling them every chance they get.

          • andrew bernard

            Who wants a bunch of low-IQ morons yelling at them anyway?

          • Uniform223

            “I would bet most couldn’t take the verbal abuse during boot camp thanks to this country coddling them every chance they get.”

            this how HR should be.

            don’t even get me started on coddling and participation “awards” they’re handing out at some little leagues now.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            No, maybe they would just shoot the DI like he did in that movie too. Which I would say..Good riddance. One lest psycho to deal with.

          • STFUTWIT

            Thanks for expressing your ANTI-MILITARY bullshit with everyone….now back to your MW3 game…..twatwaffle

          • Tothe

            Why should people be pro-military?

          • Uniform223

            why should people be pro stupid? *looks at you*

          • Tothe

            Thank you for the non-response. I would remind you that the redcoats in 1775 were loyal, patriotic soldiers just doing their duty and enforcing the law while defending the realm. The same applies to the Mexican army, the Confederates, the Spanish, the Central Powers, the Axis, the North Koreans, the Vietnamese, the Iraqi army, the Taliban, and the US military. What makes the US military virtuous, and the others not?

          • Uniform223

            please take your hippie bovine fecal matter else where. I refuse to feed the troll (you) anymore.

          • Tothe

            I am offering argumentation and reason based on historical evidence and consistent application of principles. You are offering insults and fallacies. Who is the troll? Patriotism is not a shield against criticism. In fact, patriotism is not virtue at all.

          • STFUTWIT

            If, according to you….patriotism is no virtue….then by all means, tell us what is professor….

          • STFUTWIT

            You really are nieve…..how’s that working out for ya?

          • STFUTWIT

            I can explain it, but why waste those words on the likes of you?

          • Tothe

            Because I am a rational person open to rational discussion? Unless, of course, you really CAN’T defend nationalistic government enforcers who are paid with money stolen from the productive economy. 😀

          • STFUTWIT

            That’s pretty rich….did it take long to google that bullshit?

          • Tothe

            I applied reason to the situation. I eliminated special pleading for The State, examined history, and called things by what they are. Governments are territorial monopolies in violence. Taxes are extortion. Soldiers and cops accept stolen money in exchange for enforcing the edicts of governments and murdering strangers overseas. Cops are paid with stolen money to enforce bad laws, including the laws against owning arbitrarily-forbidden firearms and magazines, while having no obligation to protect anyone. Governments objectively do not represent the population. So why should people automatically respect government officials, soldiers, or police? If you don’t believe me, maybe you should do some googling yourself.

          • Uniform223

            “So why should people automatically respect government officials, soldiers, or police?”

            Because they represent the incredibly small portion of a population that will run towards the sight and sound of danger to defend/protect and rescue those running away from it. You hate police? Do you hate them when they’re trying to quell an unruly violent mob that is destroying communities and properties of private citizens? Do you hate them when they set up drunk driving check points to ensure that more people come home safely after a major public event? Are there bad LE officials? Yes. Are there good ones? Yes. Do not ever clump everyone into a whole because of what you read on some blogsite by a trustfund baby that never had to put effort into their life.

            You most likely haven’t served so I have no point in carrying on any further to someone who hasn’t willingly gave up personal freedoms (for better or for worse). Why don’t you go to a VA hospital and spout your incredibly heavy loads (when I mean heavy loads I am comparing it to the weight of a neutron star here) of bovine fecal matter over there and see how far you get? People can choose not to join or join, it is their choice (thankgoodness). People join for many reasons. If you had the intestinal and TESTICULAR fortitude to sign your name on that line and raise your right hand and say

            “I do solemnly swear to that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic; I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice… So help me God…”

            then you can say something to myself and to the those who have served honorably and with distinction.

          • Tothe

            Did you even read what I wrote? Do you imagine that a government-funded monopoly in a service is the only means of providing that service, and that rejection of government provision of a service is rejection of the concept of that service? And if you cite the oath as evidence of moral superiority, why are the domestic enemies in DC still imposing innumerable arbitrary laws that violate our rights to life, liberty, and property? Again, it is politicians who write bad laws, and the soldiers and police then enforce those bad laws, including the laws that infringe on our right to keep and bear arms. How is that virtuous?

          • n0truscotsman

            I dont disagree at all with what you said! Very logical arguments.

            You might have kicked the hornets nest, by putting military (and ex-military) in the limelight, but it needed to be done. I, similarly, have pointed out such contradictions with the whole “enemies foreign and domestic…”-crowd while highlighting how many accept bona fide fascists ruling with impunity.

            Amazing.

          • STFUTWIT

            Why did you delete your reply? Not too proud of yourself huh….well, most here are thinking that about ya too…..

          • Tothe

            I deleted nothing.

          • This is definitely not the place to be anti-military! Lets see is it four or five TFB writers who are former military and proud of it, as they should be.

          • STFUTWIT

            Let me quote ya…..” applied reason to the situation. I eliminated special pleading for The State, examined history, and called things by what they are. Governments are territorial monopolies in violence. Taxes are extortion. Soldiers and cops accept stolen money in exchange for enforcing the edicts of governments and murdering strangers overseas. Cops are paid with stolen money to enforce bad laws, including the laws against owning arbitrarily-forbidden firearms and magazines, while having no obligation to protect anyone. Governments objectively do not represent the population. So why should people automatically respect government officials, soldiers, or police? If you don’t believe me, maybe you should do some googling yourself.”…..like I said before…..how long did it take you to google your bullshit?

          • Tothe

            You don’t seem to understand how rational arguments work.Instead of actually addressing my arguments, you instead attempt to divert the argument into accusations against my character and assumptions about my sources. That is called a “red herring.” Since you seem capable of copy/pasting what I wrote, perhaps you could address it point-by-point? Am I mistaken in my definitions, history, or analysis? Where is your specific dispute?

          • Uniform223
          • Tothe

            Why would you support abuse?

          • Uniform223

            I don’t support abuse. I support discipline and proper guidance. I don’t feel sorry for you because you lack the intestinal and testicular fortitude to join the military.

            Go play your CoD and “milsim” airsoft to feel good about yourself. In the mean time real men and women are doing better things for themselves and others.

          • Tothe

            Imposing discipline upon others is not pro-liberty. Discipline must come within, or else it is slavery.I feel sorry for people who don’t have the moral fortitude to earn their living in the free market, and instead accept stolen money in exchange for serving the government. There is no virtue in serving any government, and everything the government gives you is first taken from others by threat of force should they resist. Irwin Schiff (RIP) as a prisoner was far more heroic than any soldier.

          • Uniform223

            take your hippie liberal weak BS somewhere else.

          • Tothe

            If I am a “liberal,” it’s only in the classical sense of supporting free markets and individual liberty while opposing central planning and government control. basically the opposite of both major political parties today.

            Terrorism is generally defined as “the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” All governments use violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims. Everything the government has is stolen from the productive economy. Every government law is just an opinion backed by the threat of violence for noncompliance rather than a definition of an actual crime wherein an injured party is owed restitution for harm done by another individual.

          • Uniform223
          • STFUTWIT

            Why do you comment on something that you obviously know nothing about? Wow Obama, you’re really moving on now….

          • STFUTWIT

            Why do you support lies?

          • chrismalllory

            Because being verbally abused by a government employee is the end all and be all of personal worth.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          This post is violating site policy on grossing me out.

      • I couldn’t agree more Joshua.

      • DonDrapersAcidTrip

        Look at this old man crying about the kids nowadays, never seen that before

    • Bart

      My wife is Japanese, and I’ve noticed the same thing every time we visit Japan. Here in the States, I’m about average weight for a man my age (41 yo, 6’4″ and 230 lbs – not good I know), and my wife is thinner than average (5′”4 and 135 lbs, (won’t discuss her age). In Japan, we would both be considered fat.
      It is time for us to both (mainly me) get back on track with our weight. I like to stay around 200 or below, and my wife likes to stay around 125 lbs. Even at 125 lbs, my wife would still be considered heavier than average in Japan. Of course I am just huge in Japan regardless of my weight. You don’t see a lot of 6’4″ folks there.

      • codfilet

        My wife is Korean, and has hovered right around 100 pounds for the 40 years we’ve been married. I’m actually a bit lighter than when we met, having sworn off all forms of pop and other sweet drinks, and generally avoiding crap with high fructose corn syrup in it. We’re noticing a lot of Koreans with severe weight problems, brought about by their widespread adoption of fast food, and stuff like fried chicken, which they dearly love, along with that pork belly that is the national dish.

        • andrew bernard

          Why do you guys race-mix? Can’t find a white woman that wants you?

        • 2wheels

          I’ve heard similar things from guys here I’ve talked to who have been stationed in Korea before. They say there are more overweight Koreans today than in the past. There still aren’t that many, especially when compared to the States. But it’s apparently a noticeable change to people familiar with Korea.

          It’s hard not to notice the McDonalds, Pizza Huts, etc. all over Seoul, and Koreans seem to like these places! I wonder if that’s causing these changes?

      • andrew bernard

        Race-mixing is disgusting.

      • fishydude

        “In Japan, we would both be considered fat.” Because the Japanese government fines employers for each man with a waist over 33″ regardless height, and woman with a waist over 35″.

    • Jim_Macklin

      America has starvation, millions go to bed hunger. Ban METRACAL.
      In truth America is the first nation to not suffer food shortages. We always have food and left-overs.
      My father was born in Nanking, China in 1904. China suffered a famine every 2 to 3 years. Daughters were cooked to feed the sons, talk about a place where women had no rights.

    • Bodie

      Coming home on leave from Oki one Christmas I was on a train heading to another terminal at the airport CONUS to hit my next layover. I wound up on it with a group of Japanese I flew in with, and a 70-something Japanese grandfather was mocking a fat American woman behind her back to his (I assume) family and they were all laughing silently. They all caught me watching them at the same time and about crapped their pants. I gave them a wink and a smile. They were still pretty embarrassed, but definitely relieved.

      Definitely was a culture shock every single time I came back on leave or TDY from OCONUS.

      • fishydude

        In the US we have more liberty to exercise (or abuse) free will. In Japan, they are not nearly as free as we are. For example: Every employer in Japan is required to measure the waist line of every employee every year.
        The employer is fined for each male employee with a waist measuring over 33″ and every female employee over 35″. Additionally, employees who fail the measurement are required to undergo fitness and nutrition re-education.
        Several liberal academics have pushed for similar things here. Like placing a government paid monitor in every corporate cafeteria to monitor what employees are eating. The next logical step would be banning employees from bringing lunch from home, or going outside the building for lunch. Yet my leftovers that I bring are better than what the corp caf has 😀

        • Bodie

          Never heard that, and I managed many local nationals while I was there. My family has a long time employee of over 2 decades that is a Japanese immigrant. I’m going to have to ask her about that.

          Side funny story: I was working at the family office and she knew I was stationed there for a few years. I know some pleasantries to get by, but that’s about it. So we’ll exchange greetings and she’ll think it’s funny. But she’s definitely an old grumpy grandma to everyone else. One morning we were both grabbing some coffee from the maker when one of the usual middle aged white ladies came in and says to her, “Konnichiwa!” Not only was my girl not in any mood for some cheery BS in the morning, the white lady told her good afternoon at 8am so she looked at her crazy. Then she panned to me and we both busted out laughing.

          If it wasn’t for their gun laws, I’d retire there.

          • fishydude

            I went to Japan on business back in 2005. Once was enough. I hate big cities. And Japan has some of the biggest, most congested cities. But China is even worse. 😀

          • Bodie

            Mainland definitely has some big cities. But I spent most of my time on Okinawa. Got there in 2007

          • fishydude

            Thank you for your service.
            Okinawa is a great place for stereo wars in the on base dorms 😀

          • Bodie

            Haha that’s for sure. Just don’t get all of the residents together and turn the 4th floor hallway into a slip-n-slide during Typhoon lockdown. Everyone will get extra duty after the cops show up. Then again, screw it….totally worth it.

          • L Cavendish

            many would retire there BECAUSE of the gun laws…
            Japan is pretty tight on immigration, though.
            Oh…I am pro 2A…thanks for your service

    • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

      Yea, the major problem being that the US is fed toxic chemicals such as high fructose corn syrup in about everything which CAUSES obesity. Fat cells surround the toxins to protect you from the toxins. So thank “your” government for most of this crap. Especially the protection of GMO companies, and the pharmaceutical industry.

    • Obesity is still an issue here. There are about as many obese people as healthy-weight people. It’s getting to our children too. There’s more obese children now than there ever was. Obesity often comes with other health problems as well.

      Let’s break it down. Americans are heavier because:
      A) we have access to cheap and convenient sources of unhealthy food (eg. McDonalds, convenience stores, pizza places, KFC, hot dog carts, concession stands, Wendy’s, etc.). We need to pay attention to the nutrition information labels on food. I didn’t used to, but when I did I saw how much bad is going into my body and cut back on bad stuff. That 20 oz latte or frappe you just had was about 500+ calories and 10 grams saturated fat).

      B) we live more sedentary lifestyles (especially young people). There are exceptions, but in other nations you are either a farmer, skilled craftsman, technician, work in a factory, or some other labor-intensive job that keeps you fit. As far as Canada- not sure. Maybe because there’s more to do up there?

      C) we eat more refined/processed foods with added refined sweeteners (HFC), starches, sodium, hydrogenated oils, fats, cheeses, chocolate, and meat not available in other countries.

  • Bullphrog855

    What a great article about fire arms.

    • Martin M

      Apparently, the problem is FAT arms.

    • Cannoneer No. 4

      FIREARMS NOT POLITICS is a motto very selectively followed here.

      • Robert Kalani Foxworthy

        They intertwined at this moment in time.

        • Cannoneer No. 4

          We can only continue to read gun blogs and aspire to own guns and gain and maintain proficiency with guns if the politicians who seek to deny us are thwarted by politicians who seek our votes. This blog’s motto is pretentious virtue signaling.

    • durabo

      Fat people are unable to hump crew-served weapons or a wounded comrade. That is the significance off this article. So, yes, it does relate to firearms.

      • Jesse Foust

        Speak for yourself. I was a fat Marine, and did just fine with both.

        • Just my .02

          It’s not a bragging point. Just sayin’

          • Jesse Foust

            Who’s bragging? My point is you can be overweight and still fit.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            At 6’4″ and 270 pounds I’d be considered over weight. But, if you look at me, I’m NOT overweight because I have a very large frame, short legs and no gut. The military wants to fit you into a cookie cutter psycho mold and then you can join.

          • STFUTWIT

            I see from your insane rant the you failed MEPS on the 1st hour of the 1st day…..LMMFAO

          • SD

            No, you’re fat. Unless you’re a serious gym rat, which you’re not because you wouldn’t have time to be mouthing off on a forum while getting swoll.

          • CavScout

            That’s what a lot of fatter people say. Just saying. And you’re wrong. If you don’t meet height/weight, you get taped. No problem for strong bodies. That said, most people who consider themselves ‘strongbodies’ are fat.

        • In my ten years, I never saw a fat Marine.

          • Jesse Foust

            Fat by Marine standards. 6′ 240, but was doing 11 pull ups and 20-21 3 miles. 18.5% bmi

      • DB

        Did my time as a career! There is no gumption to get up and do anything but play TV games, if they get up! No respect, and no way, fortunately except for a few, that they would or could protect this Country if necessary! Today’s age eligible are soft and are only concerned about what’s in it for them! Wouldn’t have lasted 10 seconds with a DI without breaking down and crying for mommy! That’s our future sadly. Thin skinned problems, that need discipline and guts! God Bless the ones who are willing to get up and defend! Including carry a weapon and fight to the death to defend this Country!

        • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

          I’ll manage my own defending if the country is actually ever INVADED. Going to some foreign nation and shooting people for the international Banksters or big Oil is hardly “fighting for freedom”.

          • Just my .02

            What a totally uninformed and ignorant thing to say. You’re a case in point.

          • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

            LOL! Cognitive dissonance at it’s finest. So tell me…what is the REASON for going to Iraq and Afghanistan and using drones to blow up wedding parties? Huh Mr state worshiping drone?

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            The US infrastructure is nuked. People are scrabbling for food. You have a Chinese platoon on your street. Please explain how you will “defend” the nation.

            Playing the “Big Oil” card just proves you’re utterly retarded.

          • STFUTWIT

            LMMFAO…try some actual research before you comment and plant your face up your ass….not to sightly huh…

      • I’m “overweight/obese” for my height, but I’m by no means “fat.” Hulk Hogan would have been considered overweight for his height and weight. The BMI system only goes so far. Tackles, DE’s and safeties in the NFL can run the 40 faster than me and they’re 250+ lbs. It’s all about physical conditioning and stamina. It takes more effort and exertion to haul around more weight. So the Army’s deductions are valid, just not as a rule.

      • CavScout

        As are most female soldiers.

    • ls1813

      You can always find another site to troll.

      • Bullphrog855

        I’m just making my way to a health blog and asking where the gun related articles are right now.

        • Just my .02

          OK, OK, enough. So, go. Go now.

          Some of us “firearms” people ARE interested in society as it relates to the military. It IS relevent, a point you clearly miss.

        • STFUTWIT

          The article is about low standard civilians failing to enter the military….you know….that happens to be on a fire arms blog site…fyi…since youre a bit lost….

        • ls1813

          Ha! If you find a good one let me know, I could use some health

    • Just my .02

      It’s an inconvenient truth, ain’t it? It obviously makes you uncomfortable, and when we get uncomfortable, we tend to go somewhere else, as in your attempt to smear the article and deflect people’s attention from it. I suspect you fit in one or more of the listed disqualifying conditions.

      • Bullphrog855

        Welp, you got me!

      • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

        What makes me wonder is why you would use a picture of your FATHER for your profile picture.

        • The picture of Barry shows the greatest gun salesman ever in US history.

    • Robert Kalani Foxworthy

      As a soldier your considered gear. That’s why you have a serial number aka service number. Lol

  • Vitor Roma

    Fighting and dying for shady causes supported by the saudi royal family surely doesn’t help.

    • Kelly Jackson

      Does your tin foil hat really protect you from the government or is it just a fashion accessory?

      • blip

        Got WMDs?

        • Kelly Jackson

          You mean like the kind we supplied Saddam and that he used on Kurdish forces?

          • andrew bernard

            Who cares? The only reason we fought that war was Israhell was getting scared and didn’t want to do their own dirty work

        • john huscio

          I suspect Saudi Arabia will at some point….

      • Vitor Roma

        It is quite undeniable how pro-saudi the american gov is. Remember a decade ago when we had the whole “shiites are radical, sunnis are moderate” talk? Fortunately we are past that BS.

        But Saudi Arabia violates human rights way more than Iran does, with all kinds of crazy penalities and punishments but the bark is all towards Iran and the saudis enjoy a nice silence.

        Than the whole Isil (sunnis) support that ended up in a big, big mess that gave Putin a nice opportunity to be the hero of the day. Well, the chickenhawk in me enjoys seeing the Su-34 and 35 in action, I guess that is something.

        • Zugunder

          Is there a videos of su-34/35s operating in Syria? I’ll like to enjoy that as well.

        • chrismalllory

          Don’t forget the Saudi’s main partners in crime, the Israelis. Both nations should be carpet bombed.

          • Vitor Roma

            I have nothing against the israelis or the saudi population, the people on power that are bad, but this is everywhere, this is the nature of the state. Israel would behave much better if american politicians stop to fetishize it.

  • Don

    I don’t have to be an adonis to fly a drone from Nevada, analyze intel from the pentagon, sling slop at the chow hall, count pencils and many other things. If we want to lower standards for woman, minorities and whatever social justice issue of the day is lower it for non comabt support jobs. Everyone in this country should be able to serve this country. And the age limit is crazy. Mauybe for SF, infantry, pilot but the everyday duties that go into keepin a military going should be wide open.

    • Anonymoose

      But if we swelled the ranks, we wouldn’t be able to spend all our money on fancy flying machines (that don’t actually work) and super-expensive precision ordnance (for inexpensive goat-herders)…

    • KestrelBike

      Commissioned medical positions can typically waive the age requirement. But yeah haha not many people are doctors itching to join.

      I agree with what you’re saying, though. That whole crock of replacing tons of MOSs with civilian contractors because “they’re cheaper” so often has been quite the opposite cas.

      • Grindstone50k

        The doctors that do join are typically the kind who can’t get insured in the civilian world…

    • 2wheels

      You’re right, a lot of jobs in the military could be done by pretty much anyone regardless of whether or not they’re overweight or can pass a PT test.

      But, even cooks and pencil counters can find themselves deployed, and then they can find themselves being shot at or even pressed into combat roles.

      So if you waive the standards for people whose jobs aren’t inherently combat related, you create a divided military. The people who can get deployed, and those who can’t… I can’t imagine that being good for morale.

    • John

      You’re right, but they can serve in a civilian capacity, attached to a military unit.

    • Cannoneer No. 4

      Every once in a while the combat service support types have to fight. Forward Operating Bases get attacked and the local indig mercenaries and PMC armed contractors need help. Everybody is either a Force Protection asset or a Force Protection liability.

  • Turner92

    I’ve been diabetic since age 1. Lived next to Little Creek base in VB at 9/11. Wanted to join so badly, even as a paper pusher etc. 16yrs later, still feel that way, despite PhD, and fun job. Everyone should strive to serve in some fashion at least.

  • Not_a_Federal_Agent

    Since someone here at “TheFirearmBlog” felt the need to delete my comment, may as well just post it again.

    I wanted to give Nathan S. a shoutout for linking us to such a quality pool of journalistic outpouring that is “Business Insider” home of pulitzer prize quality articles like

    “They Hacked Her Pancreas and Found Love Along The Way”

    • Bill

      A: It isn’t censorship if it’s a privately run blog, so pull your panties out of your crack.
      B: SOMEONE has to get the tats craze under control, the Marines are at least trying. I’ve known multiple guys who got inked up while in the service, then when they got out were stunned when they couldn’t land a job with a PD, or if they did had to wear long sleeves our covers.
      C: How overweight are you?

      • Not_a_Federal_Agent

        A. Right, because deleting comments you don’t like is definitely not censorship. “Privately” owned website or not, this comment section is a public forum where anyone may post. I don’t see any rules section outlining what I may and may not post beyond Disqus policy.

        “Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutiutions”

        If you think a privately owned media outlet cannot “censor” someone then I am sorry you have such a narrow definition for something that is a very important topic.

        B. “SOMEONE has to get the tats craze under control”

        Yeah man, SOMEONE just has to tell people what they can’t get ink on their bodies in such a way that literally does not effect you beyond your own judgement of them based on appearances.

        C. “How overweight are you”

        Nice ad hominem there Bill. You even made it the last point of your argument, clearly set apart with its own “letter C” so we could all see it had literally nothing to do with my response to the article.

        • Bill

          A. Their house, their rules. You don’t like it, start your own forum.
          B. Yeah, my judgement of uniformed personnel is frequently based on their appearance. It’s supposed to be, that’s why they wear uniforms. And have regulations. And inspections.
          C. Nice evasion of the question.

  • codfilet

    My son was a Marine recruiter. Whole areas of his state were written off because the young people there could not pass the simplest test, and even if they could, they had criminal records. Tattoos were another big fail,too.

    • Joe

      That’s just racist right there.

      • Jim Davis

        Ha.

  • codfilet

    I had to take a class with a roomful of 18-25 year old men a while back. On every desk but mine, there was a big 16 oz Mountain Dew. I was the only guy in the class that drank coffee, and with no sugar in it,too. I was also the only guy in the class without a weight problem,too.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Soda is IMO pretty much #1 thing you can’t do if you are at all concerned about weight. I seriously have no idea what kind of idiot smokes anymore… But I put even semi-regular drinking of soda right up there with it.

      I’ll have a can of something like organic ginger ale maybe twice a month anymore and still feel bad about it 😉

      • Sianmink

        Yeah I’ve been calorie-counting since April (down 50 lbs woo!) and even if I’m having a bit of a cheat day, soda is something I am simply unable to justify. 220 calories for this little thing? Hell naw. That’s worth like 3 jars of pickles.

        Soft drinks are literally the worst.

      • G0rdon_Fr33man

        Not to mention the insane consumption of energy drinks. Seriously folks, that sht ain´t good for you. It strains your kidneys like you won´t believe. I can understand dat kraving for coffeine, but strong black coffee does the job!

        • nadnerbus

          I hear people say this, but don’t understand how an 8oz sugar free Red Bull is any worse for you than a cup of black coffee. And people that drink coffee tend to drink multiple cups a day.

          • L Cavendish

            some multiple POTS…LOL

    • nova3930

      I dropped 10lbs in a month just switching from Dew to black coffee. Soda is bad for you in general but Dew is a bad character among bad characters.

      • codfilet

        I couldn’t lose weight until I quit drinking any form of pop-then the weight came off, and stayed off. Having a job loading 500+ 10-pound case covers a night, and walking 5 miles back and forth also helped.

        • DB

          Lost 100 Lbs in one year by simply getting off the sweet tea (that was rough!!) and walking minimum 5 miles a day. Went to water only with rare cheat, and it has been gone 15 years now! That sugar in sodas, sweet tea (nectar of the Gods) etc. will put it on you! Still water with the occasional beer(s) cheater (c’mon….I ain’t dead!!) works fine! Also agree with the BMI CRAP! 6’6″ with 34″ inseam, very large frame, 325 Lbs, morbidly obese, and I am NOT fat! Doctor wants me at 200 Lbs.!! I’d look like a broom handle!! That height/weight period is BS!! Get real Doc!! My bare skeleton weighs 200 Lbs!!

    • Edeco

      Bleh, sugar in coffee. My idea of a major social ill.

    • Soda is pretty much two things: water and a very refined sugar that’s not made from sugar, but the starch sugar in corn, extracted and cooked under high heat and pressure, and refined into a thick syrup that’s pure energy/carbohydrates. An average person drinks a soda and wouldn’t work off 1/5th of the carbs in it and all of the calories come from it. It would take hours and hours of strenuous exercise to work it off. Even drinking one a day will add up.

      • codfilet

        donuts are my only weakness……

  • Kelly Jackson

    Couldn’t the Army just lower their standards like they do for female spec ops?

    • andrew bernard

      Or for cops

    • nadnerbus

      no no no, GENDER NORMING. It’s totally different.

  • This is a sign of a dying empire. It’s brutally funny that 73% of “Americans” are too fat, crazy, high, criminal, or “bodily modified” to even serve as cannon fodder for the more elite troops. To be fair, I’m sure standards (and belts) are tightening up again following the winding down of their Sandistan wars. At this rate, we’ll have a multipolar world again in a few decades.

    • blip

      And it’s 1 2 3 what are we fighting for?

      • FrenchKiss

        Don’t give a damn, next stop is Vietnam!

  • Jay

    Government frets over obesity rates that Government helped create in the first place with their stupid food pyramid? No way.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Pretty sure the food pyramid never had section for a ton of processed foods and ridiculous sugar intake.

      Going off the amount of sugar and calories in soda; the AVERAGE American would lose 15lbs by cutting out soda and replacing it with water in one year.

      • Xanderbach

        On a related note- I lost 12lbs by stopping soda, and switching to seltzer water. I realized it wasn’t the sweet I wanted, but the bubbles.

        • All the Raindrops

          Seltzer is the bomb.

          I still drink lots of soda, like a couple a day, but im not fat so who cares.

          • BillC

            You don’t have to be fat to get diabetes and have high cholesterol.

          • L Cavendish

            don’t have to smoke to get cancer…do have to live in order to die…

      • hailexiao

        No, but they did put things like white bread and pasta at the bottom, below vegetables, which made no nutritional sense at all. Grains and starches belong with the sugars in the “not too much” category.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          Calories In < Calories Out

          ONLY After that, you can really get into macros… But 90% of people aren't even remotely there. You can have fettuccine alfredo every single day and be fit and healthy – it's just damn sure not going to be Olive Garden sized dishes.

          Splitting hairs about macros when people are obese is nonsense. It doesn't matter who made the suggested size or how it's been revised like 4 times since that. A disproportionate serving of carbs vs protein vs fat vs fiber doesn't make anyone fat.

          But not burning what you eat sure as hell does.

    • n0truscotsman

      Its a contradiction, isn’t it? Not to mention the types of foods covered by meals programs that will literally bring the grave much closer to you.

      Its quite unfortunate. Education about nutrition and exercise is completely unsat.

  • David

    well… Not for nothing, but the Army has a rich history of stupidity in evaluating fat boys and girls. I had an E5 in my unit who was the victim of a DUI, laying him up for the better part of a year. But, he got bored and hit the gym. He had the shape of an upside down pear, and had the have his BDU’s relieved in the arms because they weren’t big enough. He went about 5’6”, 220 pounds. Now, you read the figures and think “jeez. eat some fruit”
    But he was anything but fat. Still, since he numerically qualified, he was a proud member of the Army fat boy club.

    Now, I’m sure that there is a problem here, but I’m skeptical how serious it is. I’m sure obesity is on the rise, as we’ve definitely not been smart about our diet. But I doubt we’re at panic button time.

    • Cal S.

      You’re right. I’m 6’2″ with a line-backer’s build and tip the scales at 250. They’ve never really been able to put me on any chart that worked. They suffer from the law of averages…

    • DAN V.

      They have tape measure for that (around the neck).

  • Friend of Tibet

    Well, they are always welcome to the “keyboard warrior camp”

  • Cal S.

    Pretty soon we’ll have to institute a draft and force some of these guys to get in shape. Me? Yes, I’m registered with the Selective Service. If my number is called, I’ll answer with all my might!

    • steveday72

      The tubbies will answer with all their heft!

      • Cal S.

        The army has a habit of running people till they don’t jiggle anymore.

      • mosinman

        all that weight will give them plenty of momentum

    • Evan

      Way to take pride in doing the absolute bare minimum legally required of you. I never registered for selective service, because I was already in the Marine Corps on my 18th birthday. See, that’s actually joining the military instead of bragging about how I signed up to be drafted in the highly unlikely event that the draft came back.

      • Cal S.

        Way to take a comment on the physical degradation of society personally and be a jerk to boot. There was no pride or bragging in that post. None now; none when I typed it. Yet, you feel justified in belittling my career/life choices simply on the grounds of a statement of readiness?

        • Evan

          I know nothing of your career or life choices, and did not belittle them. I belittled your apparent pride in doing nothing, and I’m also now belittling the fact that you consider that “readiness”.

          ” If I’m called, I’ll answer with all my might!”
          -you

          That sounds like bragging to me. Either put your money where your mouth is and sign up, or don’t talk like you’re any better than anyone else who didn’t.

          • nadnerbus

            Isn’t it, you know, the law that you have to sign up? I don’t remember feeling a tinge of patriotic pride when my Government teacher gave me the form on my 18th birthday.

            I do recall feeling a slight cowardly hope that there wouldn’t be a big war though. Thanks for taking the hit!

          • Evan

            Someone gets it at least.

          • Cal S.

            It’s a statement of fact. I have nothing to justify to you. I’ve already told you I wasn’t bragging about my draft status, and that having registered for it brings me no particular measure of pride. What ‘pride’ I may have is in my level of physical prowess, not draft status. Which, yano, is par for the course here in the comments section if you read through them far enough. We’re all talking about fitness levels, diet regimens, and advice.

            Regardless, makes no difference to me what you believe. I’ve already explained myself far beyond what my original comment warranted.

          • Evan

            “Draft status”? You do realize that there hasn’t been a draft in about 40 years, right?

            I have a lot more respect for a fat kid who drops 40lbs to join the Marines than for someone who brags about being eligible for a nonexistent draft, which, regardless of your intent, it certainly sounded like you were doing.

            You are no different from any other civilian who has never served. I’ll bet if there was a draft, you’d be the first to join the Air National Guard as an admin clerk. What a hero. We might as well just give you a Medal of Honor now.

          • Cal S.

            Oh, pardon me for using the wrong term. Clearly, that indicts my entire character. Auto-win for you, I guess?

            Give it a rest, dude. You misinterpreted a comment that no one else has taken issue with but you. Further, you won’t listen to the original author’s clarification of intent, which I’ve patiently tried to explain while you’ve done nothing but respond with repeated, undeserved insults. I, on the other hand, have restrained myself out of respect for you, a complete stranger. I will respond no further, regardless of how you may impugn my character. Have at it…

          • Evan

            Your constant clarifications nonwithstanding, you still sound like the standard “I would have joined, but…” stories that every veteran has heard (and found utterly banal), except worse. The intense butthurt you displayed when called out on it just reenforces my point.

          • I wanted to enlist so bad. I had decided either Marines or Air Force out of high school, but my failing health was the deciding factor. I’d never have passed the physicals. I am better now, but probably wouldn’t pass them still. Even so, I was going to enlist in the Air Force, but I was too old at age 31. Turns out you need to be 28 or younger. To me, it doesn’t matter if you are proud to be registered with SS and willing to serve if called upon, or proud because you served. The fact that we want to serve and are willing to die fighting is enough. My brother enlisted in the Marines out of high school- 6th ESB. Got sent to Iraq February 2003 with 1st Marine Div. and didn’t come home. He did it even when he didn’t have to. Can’t say that about a lot of folks these days.

      • USMC03Vet

        Was at meps on my 18th as well. Hard chargers.

        • Just say’n

          Thank you for your service. Not to play topper or anything but I was at MEPS one week after my 17th birthday. Did the split training option, Army Basic between my Jr. and Sr. years of HS, AIT after HS graduation. Was the youngest in my platoon.
          Just National Guard, but it did me (and my country I hope in some small way) good. Built skills and habits to last a lifetime. No regrets. I wish everyone had to do it.

        • Cal S.

          Thank you for your service!

  • Tim Pearce

    “obesity is becoming a national security issue.”

    Everything’s a national security issue, anymore.

    • TechnoTriticale

      re: “obesity is becoming a national security issue.”

      Obesity is national policy. The official USDA MyPlateOfMetabolicSyndrome diet, which advocates 60% of calories from carbs, and most of that from grains, as well as low fat, low sat fat, and endorses adverse PUFA grain and seed oils, is the direct cause of the trend, which is most clearly mapped in the rise in Type 2 diabetes (a totally optional ailment).

      Any number of dissident diets can fix this, all featuring: no grains, no added sugar, no PUFA oils, very low net carb, high specific fats and attention to gut biome. It’s so easy a cave man could do it.

      You don’t take government advice on what firearms to own. Treat government advice on what to eat with similar deep skepticism.

      • Dan

        You mean they found kids that would eat that crap? The school I work for the kids take one look at their whole wheat everything and throw it in the trash and spend the rest of the day hungry. School lunch program is a joke. Hungry kids turn to junk food.

    • Dan

      You sir have just become a national security issue.

    • whodywei

      Obesity impacts military recruitment. 35.7% of American adults are considered to be obese (bmi 30+), and 74% of men are considered to be overweight.

  • blip

    Do they ask recruits if they have a problem fighting wars so Israel doesn’t have to?

    • Joe

      What an enlightened comment, you have truly added to the round-table discussion.

  • Kyle_D

    I’m glad I was able to come to The FIREARM Blog and read about how the army says we have an obesity problem. Not like I come here to read about guns or anything.

    • Joe

      “Here eat a Snickers, your not you when your hungry!”

    • JumpIf NotZero

      To be fair…. If you come here for anything but the latest press release pages about guns – you’re not going to learn very much 😉

      • Since that’s the way you feel about it, I’ll be sure to cancel Light Rifle and all of my other series that I put a lot of time and effort into, and just stick to press releases and recycled news articles.

        • Tassiebush

          Noooooooo!

          • Matt L.

            Seconded!

    • All the Raindrops

      I’m sure there are some paid press releases from UTG somewhere on the next page for you to ogle

  • Alex Agius

    Some of the requirements are kinda dumb
    “No tattoos on fingers, neck or face”
    “No felony convictions”

    Neither of those prevent you from being a soldier and given that putting a pistol grip on an ar pistol is a felony and most felons are in solely for possession of soft drugs the term “felon” is basically meaningless.

    • 2wheels

      That’s the kind of stuff that could be easily waived if we really needed people in an emergency. But you can’t make a nation thinner overnight.

      • Alex Agius

        The fatties are everywhere

    • Grindstone50k

      Don’t forget writing bad checks!

    • codfilet

      Back in the ’60s, when Vietnam was going hot and heavy, Judges used to give “youthful offenders” a choice: Jail or the Army. I knew several guys who went into the Service like that.

  • Renegade

    I see the picture up top and I’m thinking Bubba has a $2,000 ultra lightweight .300 Blackout AR equipped with a 9,000,000,000 lumen light, ACOG, BUIS, and 5,000 MW laser. Not to mention 5.11 tactical hat, shirt, undershirt, underwear, socks, pants, boots, and codpiece. All 72 of his Magpul mags are taped together in inverted pairs.

    Drives to the range twice a year in his Call of Duty MW3 4-door Jeep Wrangler. One of those trips is for the free BBQ at whatever customer appreciation event his local range has.

    • Bal256

      Couldn’t have said it better myself

    • Cal S.

      That comment was pure gold!

      Don’t forget the suppressors. All operators have suppressors.

  • Maxpwr

    That’s why God invented Drones and the H-bomb.

  • Shaun Alford

    Holy fatasses batman.

  • Anonymoose

    Not sure if the person in the picture is fat or just pregnant…

  • Bosch

    Well, if they ever need new recruits, dropping the unconditional Type One disbarment would net them at least one. At least let me scrub out on my own, damn it!

  • dude here

    How is this firearms not politics?

    • All the Raindrops

      Yes, more mindless ads for crap products pls!

  • Grindstone50k

    Most American’s don’t try to join the military anyway. BFD

    • Jim Davis

      Excellent point.

      • Grindstone50k

        I loved Garfield.

    • ArlingtonVirginia’sFinest

      Thank you for your service.

  • swede

    The Age is stupid, if you are fit enough you are fit enough
    likewise height, weight takes care of itself, but it would be funny to see a guy like Rulon Gardner trying to Join, or Roy Nelson, both fat but in very good shape with excellent strength and cardio, Rulon swam for hours in freezing water ffs

    Likewise no felonies? if you have served your debt to society why shouldn’t you be able to join and get back into society?

    no tattoos is just silly

    HS diploma? can they read and do basic math? fine send them in

    • Jim Davis

      The upper end age limit is probably due to that by your mid 30s is when you start to not recover from simple injuries as quickly. Look at pro sports athletes and when they start washing out or retiring. By age 32, I quit full speed soccer due to slow healing injuries and that’s not really a contact sport.

      Since a dishonorable discharge in the military world is sorta equivalent to a felony in the civilian world (compare to purchasing a firearm on a 4473 form), well . . .

      Tattoos are fine as long as they can hide under a uniform. Therefore the restrictions on the hands, face, etc.

      Sadly, many high schools give diplomas to people that can’t pass the ASVAB test in multiple tries. I’ve seen it first hand. The desire is there, but the basic education isn’t there.

  • Anomanom

    Doesn’t help overmuch that between obesity, piercings, tattoos, convictions, and drug use it’s probably down below 2 out of 10 now if you started a draft.

    OTOH, best way to dodge the draft is for them to reject you. Thank you, Arlo Guthrie.

  • Ed

    This has nothing to do about guns. Why report this. Not all America’s fault the Military has set standards so stinken high that may who are fit cannot get in. Time to end the jocks reign at the Pentagon.

  • John

    On the bright side, when this country finally collapses under the weight of liberalism, socialism, nannyism, PC’ism, and just plain laziness, and ignorance, those of us that have a backbone, and believe in the principals that made this country great, can rebuild it.

    My wife is a teacher, and the horror stories I hear make me want to eat a bullet. She tells me kids are opposed to cutting down trees for paper, because they don’t know we can plant more. She’s had kids that don’t know what the heart does. These are kids in high school.

  • Brian

    The obesity is coming from the fact that huge proportions of Americans live on very tight budgets where the best buy for food is fast food,, i.e., the kind of stuff that packs on pounds. The second problem is the BMI used for these standards is frankly malarkey and favors very skinny, unmuscled types. They should look at proportion of body fat instead of just raw h-w numbers, because they want to know how much of what is in the body. And according to BMI, most elite athletes are big ol fatties at the heights of their careers.

    • Bart

      Only partially true. You can eat relatively healthful cheap food. Bulk dry Lentils, Rice (brown or white), Oatmeal, Pinto Beans, Corn Tortillas, Barley, Split Peas, Garbanzo beans, Milk by the gallon, etc. are all pretty inexpensive and are generally considered fairly healthful foods.
      Nobody is fat from eating oatmeal, barley, and lentils. It is the cheap sugar, grease, and processed garbage that makes people fat. People in Asia eat rice every day and rarely get fat.
      I could eat extremely cheaply if I purchased bulk dry ingredients like those, and combined that with gardening (which I do anyway) and grow a bunch of my own vegetables and fruit.
      Don’t jump on me my Paleo friends. I know that eggs, and whole chickens are also relatively inexpensive and are probably better for you.
      Again, the main problem is the cheap sugar, corn syrup, grease, and processed crap.

      • All the Raindrops

        That stuff all takes a lot of time to make/cook. Someone who just worked 10 hours for crap wages at a job they hate, or is trying to find a job, may not want to spend 2 hrs a day soaking/cooking beans. You can get like 400 calories for like a dollar from a mcdouble. That is a integral part of some poor folks diets.

        • n0truscotsman

          A vegetable/fruit smoothie takes about 10-15 minutes to make, if that.

          Besides, you can cook your meals in a given time and have prepared food for at least 3-5 days.

        • Yallan

          Intermittent fasting. Eat one day, don’t eat the next. Halves the amount you have to cook. Lowers your weight. Great for your health. And is easy to stick to. Also due to needing to get adequate nutrition, you just eat the bare essentials simplifying your eating.

    • Bart

      I’d also note that the BMI is skewed to make tall people seem fatter than they are. There is a new corrected form of BMI that accounts for people of above average height.

      • There’s a simple solution to the fruit/vegetable argument- grow your own if able.

    • n0truscotsman

      I disagree with the whole ‘money’ argument when it comes to eating healthy.

      Vegetables and fruits aren’t that expensive and are certainly not more expensive on a bi-monthy/monthly budget when compared to eating fast food or shopping at your local safway with a cart full of boxes.

      What is expensive is processed foods, like your snacks, soda pop, and anything else that comes in red inked boxes.

  • Ren

    And yet I bet the military has full budget allocation for salary (or close enough) and is seeking only those with existing specialist skills or simply to maintain it’s numbers (usually skills and talents the private sector offers more for).

    Must be quiet on the guns-front. Not a lot of firearms stuff up the last few days for some reason. 😮

    In
    fairness, most of those listed points are just selection criteria and will change. When
    they need the numbers to go up, bodymod and weight rules are the first
    to be loosened – it depends wether they have to grow or shrink depending on politicos and wether they think they’ll have enough recruits; the military is pretty good at this game of judgement most of the time, if vulnerable to SJW’ing and pet projects. Some work, some don’t.

    It’s the system and during
    non-growth times they actively weed out as many as possible to get the
    best. If you have a skillset they need, you know fine well they’ll bend
    over backwards to get you ready to pass the tests long before you need to
    take them. The only thing they probably can’t work around is a felony, then you’d merely be a contractor instead through a private company. 😀

    • ostiariusalpha

      Ermahgerd, in the last 30 articles before this one a grand total of 2 were tangential to the topic of guns. All hope is lost.

      • Ren

        At least it’s interesting filler, I for one do not miss those posts that were entirely manufacturer spec listed product advertisements. 😀

  • LibertyFirst

    Obesity is a national security issue. Time to start a ‘War on Cheetos’ I’m guessing.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      No, sorry, Frito-Lay (Pepsico) is a political campaign contributor.

  • Just say’n

    If I had my way every male would go to Army Basic the summer they graduate from high school. They’d then be IRR (Individual Ready Reserve) for four years, with a one-weekend refresher course at the range each summer. Not the draft, but at least it would get them off the couch, in shape, taught fire-arms safety and socialize with other Americans from around the country of differing ethnicity and points of view.

    • hailexiao

      Why not every female too? They could also use the exercise and socialization.

    • All the Raindrops

      It’s a good idea t.b.h.

    • DB

      Just sayin’ AMEN to that! Might also teach a mess of these wise mouth, no respect punk sidewalk standing/couch sitting PITA’s some respect for themselves and others!! Then let them keep their Firearm, Keep them trained on them, and watch this mess get a lot less messier! Would shut the Liberal Media up because they wouldn’t have their one sided stories to write! Got my vote for that one!!

    • Tothe

      Why do you imagine that enslaving people to government and bolstering its power to wage war at home and abroad is somehow pro-freedom?

      • STFUTWIT

        Run for office….if you think you can do so much better….

  • iksnilol

    I am amazed at how fat Americans are on average.

    Sorry, it’s just that I’ve seen American tourists… and pictures.

    • USMC03Vet

      Mexico is even fatter.

      • iksnilol

        I know, I was thinking of pretty much the entire continent.

        It is a sad situation, the unhealthy food and whatnot is so cheap that it “makes more sense” than the food that won’t kill you in your 50’s from a heart attack.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    And the sad thing is most basic military reqs are laughably easy. Even the BUD/S physical INDOC screening only requires 10 pull ups.

  • TJbrena

    “No ADHD medication win the past 12 months”

    Does it count if I took it just for ADD?

  • lowell houser

    The weight thing is crap. They get people in all the time that can’t make weight or can’t meet minimum physical standards. In the Army they call it “The Fat Farm” and in the Marine Corps it’s called Physical Conditioning Platoon. I did plenty of time in PCP to make the pullup requirement(by far the most common thing), so I outta know. I went from 235 to 195 in less than two months. I was 178 the day after the Crucible. Too fat is NOT a problem. Fat goes away, and regular group PT keeps it away.

  • SlippedThroughTheCracks

    No tattoos on fingers, neck or face
    No ear gauges

    Seems a case of beggars & choosers, to me.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      We dont want any weird looking people out there changing tires on HUMVEEs.

      • USMC03Vet

        Tattoos bad. Cutting your junk off and claiming you’re a woman? Good to go soilder!

    • USMC03Vet

      Its funny because the military has very outdated tattoo policies but then allows all sorts of sexual deviance which tarnish the image far more simply to pander politically to people that would never consider joining.

      I.e. can’t wear a white t- shirt on liberty but can go to obscene political rally in uniform and be celebrated for it.

  • Rock or Something

    Not exactly new, even a couple of years ago they were warning that the percentage of young people eligible for military service was a slum minority due to obesity, lack of education (GED or High School grad) or drug/criminal record.

  • andrew bernard

    Do they tell the recruits that they will be fighting wars so that Israel doesn’t have to do it themselves?

  • Hardwood83

    When did the comments section here become such a complete D-bag fest of whiners and trolls?

    • ArlingtonVirginia’sFinest

      Ummmmm…

      Right about the time that YOU showed up.

  • RicoSuave

    The mightiest military in the world brought down by Coke, Pepsi and McDonalds. Who knew the terrorists were within.

  • Dan

    Meanwhile, the generally fit Chinese men are being trained in the PLA to take over all of the Eastern Pacific, isolate American proxy countries (i.e. Philippines), and run combat drills to repulse the fat Americans’ intrusion to Chinese occupied waters.

  • Jim_Macklin

    Army, Marines, Navy and USAF require non-drug users who they don’t have to spend two years getting into shape. If I was 40 years younger I’d be a good Marine. If a war started in the USA, I’d still go out to defend or take my country back.
    Years ago when my eldest son joined, the recruiter almost did not believe his answer to the question. When asked when was the last time you used drugs, my sons answer was NEVER.
    I boot camp he taught the instructors how to properly use the sights on an M16. But he was medically discharged when he broke his leg in the first days of boot camp at Ft. Dix.

  • Southpaw89

    Back in basic we were told that we were 10% of the 10% of people who qualified to enlist in the USAF. It actually came as a surprise, I had had no idea that as a nation we were that unhealthy.

  • n0truscotsman

    They should “feature” your comment.

    I’ve seen people try and outrun the fork. More times than I can ever remember. Even with the people with “fast metabolisms” it eventually catches up with them if the musculoskeletal issues dont first.

    The whole “an hour everyday” is a waste of time if what you eat is absolute garbage.

  • Anthony “stalker6recon”

    Makes me feel good that I still qualified at age 33 for 19D, Cavalry Scout. Better that I got out before Oshitma became potus, no way I could serve under his leadership, or lack there of.

  • Bodie

    Wife is an AD recruiter and finding qualified applicants is a challenge. Even when one comes in, these kids are so immature and irresponsible.

    One HS senior girl had qualified for everything and was at her final MEPS processing before Basic. She signed forms saying no change in health Hx and was good to go. They found out she had gone to the ER 2 weeks prior for an allergic reaction to a tree. Mind you, a simple allergy like that is no big deal and not grounds for DQ. But she lied on her forms. She was immediately disqualified and they could have prosecuted her. My wife was somehow responsible and had to drive 3 hours to report in front of her CC in service dress. “You’re supposed to know these things” she was told. They weren’t truly mad because they understood she had absolutely zero control over the DEP’ers allergy and subsequent lie, nor did she have any super powers to know about it. But merely the fact she had to dress up, take an entire day off from finding a replacement so she could drive 6 hours round trip in her GOV to report in front of her commander, was the most absurd thing I ever heard. Being retired myself, I would have probably been given an LOR for the freak out I would’ve had if I were asked to do some dumb s*** like that.

  • Back in the 70s my father used to worry that we teens were not as fit as the WWII generation. But we had no problem as volunteers fleshing out the much larger Cold War Army.

    When I was in the military the first “new generation” kids were coming in. They could not run a mile, generally were not mechanically inclined, had never even been in the woods or field, and many had never even touched a rifle. By this time I was in my 40s and I was thinking “uh-oh” about the new generation. Generally, 75% of the men from the 70s were fit for service. In the mid-2000s if 40 men were in a platoon of basic trainees that no less than 10 would be disqualified.

  • chrismalllory

    Oh no! They cannot find enough cannon fodder to ship overseas to fight in wars that have nothing to do with defending the borders of the United States.

    • ArlingtonVirginia’sFinest

      There ya go, cupcake!

      Love da Bern, dontcha?

  • Leigh Rich

    I served.

  • durabo

    A Marine still on active duty told me some months ago ” When I joined the Corp, homosexual behavior was immediately punished with a bad conduct discharge. Now, it’s tolerated. I’m getting out after 24 years before it becomes compulsory!”

    • ArlingtonVirginia’sFinest

      Nice level of tolerance there, skippy.

      • durabo

        Try developing a sense of humor, which is becoming more difficult in our PC People’s Republic.

  • RickH

    Gee…..what does this article have to do with firearms?

    • ArlingtonVirginia’sFinest

      Well, let’s take a guess:

      Military…. firearms….. fitness of applicants….. readiness and ability of the military to defend our country…… the perception of the average American male and their fat, wimpy, illiterate, wacked-out condition by our enemies….

      Nahh. No connection here.

      • RickH

        Well gee, how ’bout some more articles about heavy artillery, maybe surface to air missiles, maybe…..well you get my point. This has nothing to do with the firearms aspect of the military. Maybe some good articles on MRE’s….

  • missourisam

    Thee is a cure for the obesity problem. It’s called the draft, and a hardassed D I. If that don’t take the weight off, it will kill you and you won’t reproduce any more fat lazy offspring. I have noticed that most kids now days never get exercise unless they are interested in sports. I grew up on a farm, and if you didn’t work you didn’t eat. Great incentive to work. Also, if given a job, you didn’t quit until it was done unless it was such a large undertaking it was impossible to finish in one day. Dogging it was no excuse. After you worked into the night a few times with no supper, you learned to put some muscle into it. At night, and on the weekends you were too tired to get into trouble. America needs to go back to those values. We have spoiled our future generations by allowing them to not learn the lessons of life. You get what you work for, and anything just given to you is not valued.

  • Tothe

    Good.

  • Just my .02

    “No ADHD medication win the past 12 months”

    Yeah, right. “win the past 12 months”. The writer probably wouldn’t qualify either.

    But, aside from that little slip, the article is a timely observation of what’s happened to society in America. Grown men being paid many times what educators and law enforcement earn, walking circus shows everywhere around us with all the “piercings”, tattoos, and the rest, legal and illegal drug abuse rampant, people who can’t spell or solve simple arithmetic problems, and some who can’t even write their own names longhand, since many secondary schools don’t even teach cursive handwriting anymore, and everyone’s just fine with it. What on earth could go wrong?

    • MrEllis

      Shake your fist and yell “Get off my lawn.” For giggles, try it.

  • Mark Are Reynolds Ⓥ

    WHAT? Can’t you use capital letters without being called out by the moderation nazis?

  • Secundius

    I Kind of Wonder, how many of the got Political Produced Deferments or “I To Rich To Fight”…

  • GT90ford

    In today’s world, the ages of 17-34 most of those people are still at home with Mom and Dad. When I was young, many of us enlisted before our draft status came up, should the need for a mandatory draft come to be again, they could have two boot camps, one extended for the overweight. But, then again, half the country is socialist and we would need a Commander in Chief who actually cared about the United States.

  • smartacus

    ban HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP !!

  • Mastro63

    They took my dad and he didn’t have a high school diploma (he later got a GED) – if they keep raising requirements- sure- the numbers will go down.

    Maybe this is why they want more women and gays.

  • RPK

    Like the Kuwaiti’s did prior to the invasion by Iraq, we could use paid conscripts from other nations to defend our country. THAT is the answer. No wait, the majority of conscripts from other nations walked away from their posts and the true Kuwaiti’s who were primarily SRNCO’s or Officer’s were rounded up and executed or sent to prison by the Iraqi regime until liberated. Maybe this is not such a good idea after all??? MORAL OF THE STORY:
    I’d rather have a fat American behind the trigger protecting this country than a physically fit foreigner any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

  • Tony K.

    Bunch of fat little bastards. What do you expect when they don’t lift anything heavier than a computer keyboard or a smart phone? I am an eight year Army infantry veteran, and finished my tour with three years on the trail as a drill sergeant 22 years ago…. and my dad thought my generation was weak, LOL!

  • L Cavendish

    Did this include females as well? Equal rights should dictate that any future draft should include women…even if they do not serve a front-line combat role.

  • I’m not sure that I could join the Navy today; to many weirdo’s; if you get my drift. I am, however, proud of time I did spend in the Navy: 1956-1966.

  • Rick A

    When everyone around you pokes fun for being thin there’s a problem. I remember as a child things were once quite opposite.

    I was in charge of our Company’s fat bodies in the Corps and all of them were unsat. Those that didn’t put in the effort got discharged. I’m sure there are exceptions…but I haven’t witnessed that phenomenon myself.

    Guys that were big, as in muscular, were never really a problem. Most were just not great long distance runners. Those that were big, as in fat, never did well in anything physical, which in the infantry is a lot of things!

  • Scott Kn

    It’s not just military applicants folks, I run a few different businesses and young people today have been so catered to by their parents it’s sick. I fired a 34 year old guy that can’t get to work on time EVER. His mother called me saying I need to give him another chance because she forgot to wake him up before leaving for work.

    • Zebra Dun

      Heck every kid has a cell phone or Ipad/pod do hickey and I know for a fact they have alarms you can set that work as clocks.

  • Core

    It’s the chemical additives in the food that our fda allows in many states. Many other countries are following suit. Bromide flour is a starting point, and it’s possible gmo in corn, soy, and other starchy sources could be culprits.

  • Eric B.

    Hey, Maybe it is finally time to ban high fructose corn syrup from ALL foods.
    And also teach kids in high school that they need to have a lifestyle of fitness. I see teenage boys who obviously think it’s cool to waddle around at over 200 lbs. for a 5′ 8″ height.

    At 72 I just returned from a solo elk hunt at an average altitude of 7,500′. I’d like to see these obese teenagers carry a hunting pack/scoped rifle combo of 25 lbs. up and down 30 degree slopes all day. HA! “fat” chance! Yep, I was a bike racer and XC ski racer for many years so my training base is long and deep. Why not make fitness a lifelong habit?

    If obesity is a national security issue we need to get the Fed. gov’t. behind healthy lifestyle education in a big way. Yeah, I know residents on Boulder, CO are called “Trustafarians” and are the but of jokes, but, hey, Boulderites are among the fittest in the nation. When you see a 30-something woman running trails at over 7,000 ft. you know you are seeing high level fitness. Same for XC ski racing at 8,000+ ft.

  • walter12

    We have become a nation of losers. No wonder the Chinese, the Russians, the Iranians, and the Muslim terrorists are so cocky. They will eat of lunch.

  • Andrew Foss

    BTDT, got the combat t-shirt. That’s not the biggest problem. The problem is an “image” one. Image doesn’t win wars.

    Solution? Give up the insipid weight/tape (and appearance, for that matter. And it’s actually the same issue.) requirements for “Can you pass a(n entry) PFT?” (where “entry PFT” would be “60% of the BPFT’s minimum score.”

    Retention would also have to change, though.

    Why? The W&T had me (barely able to pass an APFT) at 2% body fat at 5’9″, 135 lb. (medically tested to be 5.2% body fat) It had our resident PT-stud Sgt. Diesel, C. M. F. at “obese” at 6′, 265lbs, medically tested to 7.45% body fat. (Do you even lift, Bro?) and built like a damn 55 gallon drum with legs and a head. For him to not be considered underweight, he’d have to *lose muscle mass* at the torso or neck/shoulders. He could ruck and run for days with a 240B, M4 and M203. My scrawny backside couldn’t.

    Did that matter? As if. The current APFT+W&T isn’t worth a damn for determining combat suitability. We both went to the same war, did the same things, and made it back, him still pulling a 300+ pt. APFT (and being “overweight”) and me with my 190 pt score. (and being “underweight”.)

    More emphasis should be given to *BEING ABLE TO DO YOUR JOB* rather than *LOOKING GOOD WHILE YOU’RE NOT DOING IT*. The W&T should be used *ONLY* as a screening for health, and even rarely at that. When’s the last time I did a pushup or situp because my life depended on it? Never. What was actually required was the ability to walk under load, have flexibility, and a crapload of core strength. You know, the stuff that makes you “fat” in a W&T and isn’t tested for beyond situps in the APFT.

    Remember what happened for the past 12 years? “We need soldiers! Relax the tattoo policy!” Remember the tail end of that? “We don’t need so many soldiers now! No more retention for soldiers with visible tattoos while in PT uniforms!”

    This “feast or famine” Army policymaking and enforcement only hurts the Army. Perhaps it’s time to focus on “winning wars quickly” rather than “Appearing like you will win wars”.

  • DB

    Even tires have a pressure limit!! Looks like somebody popped open a biscuit tube!!

  • Vince

    Without getting into politics or even weight issues (America is fat) just history.

    EVERY generation has worried out loud whether the next generation can cut it or will defend this country. Then every generation steps up and does the job. As they reach middle age THEY worry out loud whether the NEXT generation can cut it. Been happening for at least 150 years.

    Also if only 20% of the generation can meet the requirements that is still millions of young people that CAN be on the sharp end of the spear and we only truly need a small percentage of those. Few will ever be asked to serve of that percentage.

    Even once IN the military only a small percentage actually get into the fight. Most will work in warehouses, drive trucks, cut grass, be nurses, turn wrenches to keep tanks turning and jets flying. I forget the actual numbers but it is something like only 10% of the people IN the military fight so that number will be a tiny percentage of the 20% of young Americans that fit the military requirements.

    Also every generation HAS stepped up and fought when their time came despite their elder’s worries. I have ZERO doubt that will continue to be the case. Every generation has it’s percentage of warriors. It is a small percentage of any of those generations that go out and fight. As war becomes more and more mechanized and computerized we need even smaller percentages to hump heavy weapons in the field.

    We have always had the next generation show up and fight even if their elders doubted that they would. I am not worried.

  • Zebra Dun

    Well that shot the draft right in the suck.
    If they cannot join they cannot be drafted either.

  • USMC69

    Well, if we ever bring back the draft, just do like they did in the past. Create “Fat Farm” platoons in boot camp and they stay there until they meet the standards. But, if tattoos on fingers and neck will stop you from being drafted, expect that to become #1 for people that choose not to serve if the draft comes back.

    • Tothe

      Would instituting the draft be virtuous?

      • STFUTWIT

        Not at all, but you shutting the f— up is…..

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    And most Americans will continue to sneer down at veterans from their level of failure as human beings.

    • Tothe

      Because disagreement with the military indicates a moral failing somehow?

      • MichaelZWilliamson

        I said “Veterans,” not “the military.”

        How many of those standards above do you meet? We’ve already determined you’re marginal on thought processes.

        FYI, the Army has the lowest entry requirements across the board.

        • Tothe

          That’s called an “ad hominem” argument.

          How is it virtuous to serve the government? How is past service to the government worthy of honor or praise?

          • STFUTWIT

            So that’s what you think it’s about…..LMMFAO!!!!! And STILL you continue to whine about things you know nothing about…..good gawd!!!

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    Also, how did a former Marine let them use a USMC uniform in a picture above Army standards?

  • Septic Skeptic

    • No ADHD medication win the past 12 months?

    WIN the past 12 months?

  • DonDrapersAcidTrip

    Sounds like fascists talking points from white guy sociopaths. Also, not being old doesn’t mean you don’t have a personality completely indistinguishable from out of touch whiny old men who love to be outraged over nonissues.

    • Gin

      Well…we already know they never intended for the playing field to be level, did they? The country was built on the backs of slaves and the natives to accommodate them. They merely reaped the benefits. And now that that wall has been torn down and the millennials allow everyone an equal opportunity to win they want to cry “poor unfortunate me!” I cant really say the X-ers were as equal opportunity like that. Too much paranoia and suspicion regarding their predecessors’ intentions. And from the sounds of things it wasn’t completely unfounded. But I love the one for all and all for one approach I see with the young crowd. They will have to weather the minefield called health tho. The chemicals in the foods are making them the heaviest of the generations as well. I don’t even think it’s overeating so much as everything being oversaturated from a caloric standpoint. A damn Big Mac from now seems loaded with a lot more fat and other god-knows-what chemicals compared to 1980. But I figure experience will take care of that eventually and they will say screw that. This is what America was (supposed) to be about. They seem to embody the essence of the Silent Generation at least in regards to teamwork with race and background not mattering. I respected them a lot as well.