DP-12 – Double-Barrel Bullpup Shotgun by LAV

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After listening to Larry chat about the shotgun all week at the class (review coming) where Larry showed he was quite the fan, the video on the DP-12 has finally gone live on the double-barreled 12-gauge. With the quick two-shot capability, the DP-12 easily demolishes a variety of entertaining targets including water tanks and steel.

I was able to go hands-on with the shotgun last week too. While I was not able to put rounds through it, I found the design thoughtful and pragmatic, much more so than the KSG. With the DP-12, the shooter can fire all rounds without having to take any hands off of main control services.

Hit the video below for a full run-down from LAV.

 



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • USMC03Vet

    I want one but not at that price.

    • andrey kireev

      I kinda want to know reliability of one of those… for me price is fine…

      • B.K.

        Yeah the price doesn’t seem outrageous. However like you said, if the reliability isnt darn near perfect it’s a problem.

    • iksnilol

      Comrade, two rolls of duct tape and two Maverick 88’s are cheaper than this.

      😉

      • andrey kireev

        Better have a long ass index finger lol

        • iksnilol

          Comrade hacksaw solves that.

          • Some Guy

            No. Hacksaw does the opposite of solve that problem.

          • iksnilol

            I was thinking remove the trigger guard (with Comrade Hacksaw) then bend the triggers closer to eachother.

            Also, you would need a stock that holds both actions.

          • andrey kireev

            IF you use a polymer stock, you could probably heat them up and fuse them at some point to shape them into single stock lol

          • iksnilol

            Maybe hack them off and then melt one in place in the middle, then bolt on an AR pistol grip under.

      • Edward Franklin

        Actually you could take a pair of Ithaca 37’s or the Stevens clone and use long pins and hook two of them together. Bottom eject and bottom load and an extremely narrow action. Shave the sides of each direction so they can be joined and all you’d need is to fab an adapter block to bolt a buttstock on the conjoined receiver rear.

        • iksnilol

          Freaky thing, I actually suggested that some years ago. It could work but no one has bothered with it so far.

          • Edward Franklin

            It’s a surprisingly simple idea, especially if you use the Stevens 350(?) so you don’t feel bad about permanently altering a pair of Ithaca 37’s. You could hook the actions together with a barrel clamp that serves to mount the new front sight, extended receiver pins to pass through both receivers, and at the rear you could lop off the tail on the receiver and use the remaining threads in the receiver ends as the mount for an adapter block. You could even make it nice and tactical and build the adapter for an AR buffer tube and pistol grip and mount a rail section on the sectioned and bonded forearms to mount a VFG.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    After enjoying “DP 11” this video was not what I was expecting.

    • ostiariusalpha

      Was that the one with the black dude?

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        Several actually.

        • ostiariusalpha

          I wasn’t impressed with their safety practices on DP 11. I mean, how many times was that chick shot in the face?

          • Tassiebush

            All I know is that if a burglar heard the sound of that thing being shucked and heard the owner saying something about DP they’d be pissbolting out of there for fear of winding up in a scene like that one with the gimp in pulp fiction.

    • B.K.

      Awesome……Had to do a double take to make sure I read that right, but the resposes made it all to clear.

    • Tassiebush

      Thank goodness someone else can’t get past the name just like I can’t.

    • Naomi Russell was flawless in that one!

  • ostiariusalpha

    Looks pretty cool, at least, all shrouded in that Crisco smoke.

    • Don Ward

      It never gets old!!!

  • ozzallos .

    Video really overblows the cruiser ready safety thing. That and I was suitably unimpressed with his reloading of the pump during the challenge. Yeah, the DP would have still smoked it on capacity alone, but he was seriously taking his time. /backseat driver

    Like the double tap capability tho. That’s hawt. Not for the price, but hawt non-the-less.

    • Rick5555

      it’s just “nonetheless” one word. Non and none have two different meanings too.

      • MrEllis

        Might want to capitalize when you’re pulling Grammar Patrol.

    • Blake

      I was thinking the same thing until I realized he’s not a competition shooter. He’s not going to reload in a typical 3 gun fashion and I would imagine in a tactical environment making sure the round gets in the chamber is much more important than going as fast as possible. That and the side saddle that happened to be attached to the 870 was a terrible choice and contributed a ton to the slowness.

      • Leigh Rich

        Rick is a Hillary/Obama supporter…

  • andrey kireev

    Not gonna lie I kinda want one… here goes my plans for buying two mid-range AKMs 🙁

    • Rick5555

      Get the two AKM’s. This shotgun is a niche firearm. A person who practices and is well trained reloading a Mossberg 500 or Remi 870 will be and do just fine. If they needed to use the two mentioned shotguns. Besides. this DP12 has quite a bit of weight to it too. Just my opinion. But if funds allocated to the AKM’s and would stick to that plan. I don’t thinking finding the DB12 will become an issue. Especially. I just heard an new cast, in which Obama, said he might have a way of incorporating some new gun laws. That will circumvent Congress. Whether he can do that or not. Who knows. I doubt he can create these purported new gun laws. But then this administration has gone around the Constitution enough times.
      To the other readers, listen to Donald Trump’s campaign speech he made in Franklin, TN on Sat. 10/3/15. If he was to stay true to his speech, regarding guns and the 2nd amendment. I will vote for him. However, we all know politicians will stay whatever to get elected. And then never do what they promised. Sorry in advance for bring some politics into this comment. I never do that. Besides this time. Again, my apologies to TFB and it’s viewers.

      • andrey kireev

        well Rick, to be honest both the 2 AK and DP12 would be a novelty to me… since I have 6 AK types and 3 shotguns (one of which is an AK type) DP12 just seems like something that would stand out just a bit more…

        • PK

          I see a distinct lack of NFA in your life. That should be priority #1, some of the exotics.

          Seriously, a nicely diverse collection you have there!

          • andrey kireev

            Thank you ! Sadly the fact that i can be sent anywhere around the world at the moment’s notice strongly discourages me from getting an NFA items. Believe me, I would have gotten myself a suppressor or an SBR long time ago if it wasn’t for that =(

          • Jeff S

            NFA Trust + trusted family member or friend = NFA repository while stationed/deployed abroad

        • Dude, nice collection!

          • andrey kireev

            Thanks Alex !

        • Great collection. Based on what you have so far, I’d get the DP-12. It would add more novelty and fun vs. two more redundant AK’s.

      • Tassiebush

        I recall Mr Trump was very happy to slander hunters in the UK claiming they’ll shoot anything that moves when they raised objections to his plans to convert their hunting area into a golf course. I would not trust him.

  • Dracon1201

    I was really unimpressed. I really thought during the reload, he would have expended all rounds from the DP, and then reloaded at the end. It really didn’t show stress loading at all. Also, his nod to GY6 could have actually been a real nod, and not just a mention of “some guy.” I like Vickers, but I felt, just like the Fireclean, that this was a sponsored review to sell a product. He didn’t even try to compare it to the KSG (Which I love) Which might smoke this on multiple tests, being designed from the ground up, and might hurt sales, pitting the two against each other.

    Notice, the DP doesn’t have a handstop like the KSG. You think they would have learned from the outcry of this on the KSG… Hmmmmmm…

    • USMC03Vet

      Yeah not name dropping a significantly smaller channel was pretty lame of Larry. He should know better.

      • Dracon1201

        If he is going to bother to mention it, he should say the name. They aren’t even really competing for views. People will gladly watch more than one channel, especially if they make it late enough in Larry’s channel to hear it. We need firearm channels to support each other and build a community, not just skim past each other.

        • Blake

          You don’t really compete for views on YT, unless you’re in a super niche subject matter. I mean who watches just one guy’s gun videos? The vast majority, me included, watch them all. That makes his not mentioning his name seem that much more lame. I’m sure it was either a minor oversight or perhaps even a legal/contract thing. I would be very surprised if Larry didn’t say his name on purpose under his own volition.

          • Dracon1201

            He really worked to step around it.

      • Rick5555

        Larry has sold out a long time ago. When I see his video’s, it’s just one long infomercial. Like many of the You Tube channels.

    • TDog

      It doesn’t need a handstop – that’s what the forward pistol grip is for. The instruction manual makes it very clear that they do not recommend removing it.

      Having fired both the DP-12 and the KSG, I found the DP-12 more to my liking. It had less felt recoil and was more reliable in feeding. To be fair, the KSG weighs a lot less, so I think this will boil down to what the shooter wants. I think they both have their roles to play, but overall I give the DP-12 higher marks since it felt to me to be more durable, it was more reliable given my experience, and has a greater capacity.

      Of course, at the end of the day, I do appreciate both of ’em. After all, the world can’t have enough bullpup shotguns! 😀

      • Dracon1201

        That still doesn’t address any of my concerns, as for the forward pistol grip; That’s what people use on KSGs when they get injured. There is literally no difference.

        • TDog

          The KSG’s rail is plastic. The DP-12’s is metal. That in and of itself is enough to put paid to claims that they are literally the same situation.

          Secondly, the DP-12 doesn’t require half the effort the KSG does to feed reliably. Do a quick search and you’ll note that tons of people will say you have to really work the KSG’s slide to get the gun to feed and/or eject properly. From personal experience, you have to really work the KSG’s slide – and by “really work”, I mean pretend that you’re pulling a baby elephant out of a field mouse’s birth canal type work. You have to work it VERY forcefully and quickly or your chances of not feeding a round are increased.

          The chances of having one’s hand slip free from the KSG’s slide and into the line of fire is much higher as a result whereas the DP-12 requires a Remington 870 level of effort to get it to feed and/or eject reliably.

          Mind you, I’ve fired both guns and while the KSG is lighter, it’s also not as reliable as the DP-12.

  • iksnilol

    To be honest it seems way better than the KSG. Sure, the KSG weighs less but you have no fiddling with mag tubes and you can fire two shots at a time.

    • andrey kireev

      I’m Really interested to see some torture tests on both of these. My KSG been doing pretty good, but I don’t know how well it’s going to hold some real abuse = ,

    • Dracon1201

      I do like some things about it, but fiddling with the mag tube also give you options. If you have to reload the DP, do you have to fill it fully? The operation would suggest it. You can keep the KSG topped off like a traditional shotgun, and it doesn’t need to be fully loaded to function 100%.

  • Sid Collins

    Moe Szyslak.

  • Nicks87

    It’s 2015, why are we still talking about pump action shotguns for defensive use? There are plenty of reliable auto loaders out there that work great. The DP-12 would have a home in riot control situations with less-lethal ammo for sure but it takes time to pump a shotgun, time that you don’t have in a life threatening situation.

    • B.K.

      Cost and availability I imagine. Where I live in central california (gun friendly city as cali goes) I can walk into any mom and pop or big box and buy a 500/590 or 870 for a few hundred bucks. Take into account the time proven performance and reliability of said shotguns. I know there’s a few semi auto Escorts in that price range as I’m sure a few others but I don’t have any experience with them. I’m sure there’s plenty of factors but those came to mind for me.

      • Secundius

        @ B.K.

        You can Purchase the DP-12 Shotgun in California, through Cali B&M. They’ll order one for you…

        • B.K.

          Hey thanks Secundius! That’s neat, I had no idea. I was actually responding to nick above me. He was questioning why in these modern times or 2015 people are still discussing pump guns for home defense. My breif summary of why I thought they still play a huge factor was that response. You probably assumed my comment were directed towards the DP12. My apologies bud. I would however love to hear more about the dp12 in california. I hate to say I’m not up to date on the standards requiring shotgun capacity in pump/lever guns. Thanks again! Outside of my model 39 everything falls at 10 or under
          : (

      • Concurred, just bought a 20ga Maverick 88 20″ 7+1rd as a secondary/backup shotgun for $220 out the door from a davidson’s FFL.

        • B.K.

          Nice! Real solid gun from everything I’ve seen. I was looking at thier over under recently. I thought it’d be a cheap an easy entry into the platform. Well after playing with it for a bit I was totally put off. Just didn’t feel right. I’m a big guy 6’2 about 240 and it just flet so heavy and unwieldy. It ended up being the best thing that happened. The guy brought over there “Thunder Ranch” maverick over/under. They have an 88 version as well,pretty neat. We’ll let’s just say the clay can wait. 6-7 more days until I can pick it up. Just a cool cool lititle gun.

      • Nicks87

        If a cheap pump is all you can afford then by all means pick one up but I’m talking more about comparatively priced firearms. Benellis, Saiga 12s (and clones), Mossberg 930 are all better choices than the DP-12 IMHO.

    • Secundius

      @ Nicks87.

      I heard that DARPA is working on a 40-watt Plasma Rifle. But honestly, I don’t expect a Civilian Model before 2200 AD, If Then…

      • Nicks87

        So until the plasma rifle is ready this is a logical replacement? I don’t hardly think so.

  • Don Ward

    Nathan. I don’t think the adjectives “thoughtful and pragmatic” mean what you think they mean when describing this… contraption.

  • PK

    I am unable to watch a twenty minute long video at the moment, what’s the suggested retail price?

    It’s interesting but if too expensive, it wouldn’t be worth having purely as a curiosity.

    • andrey kireev

      $1395.00 on manufacturer’s website.

      • PK

        Thank you.

      • Swarf

        Ha ha ha!

        Tactical pricing for prime operators, yo.

  • andrey kireev

    In next episode Larry Vickers compares performance of Fireclean against Crisco at the grill….err… proves that you can’t overlube your eggs with Fireclean…..

  • Nick

    Go ahead and rip on the KSG, but you don’t have to worry about loading both tubes evenly since it only feeds from one at a time.

    Think about it. It loads from both tubes at once. Ergo, if one tube has a round and the other doesn’t, you’ll have to dry fire on one of the shots or use the lock release and pump if you load the first tube only. Seems like a lot of aggravation.

    Another benefit of the KSG’s double tubes is the ability to load two different loads and switch between them easily.

    • TDog

      Despite what lot of folks might claim, it is highly unlikely anyone will ever be in a situation where they “need” a slug or some other type of round over buckshot.

      Besides, if you run into something that buckshot can’t handle, you had bigger problems than not bringing the right type of alternative ammunition.

  • Sulaco

    “No thanks. A 10 Pound Shotgun, with a Safety that can’t go back on if only one barrel is fired, and has two barrels regulated like Marty Feldman’s eye balls. …It’s also huge and bulky and I don’t see the need for a double barrel pump.” As noted by the Ogre..

    • TDog

      “Need?” Who “needs” anything other than food, water, and shelter?

      The only problem I see with a double-barreled pump gun is that it’s not a triple-barreled pump gun! ;-D

  • wetcorps

    The name tho…

  • MrEllis

    If I was fighting a Terminator I’d pick this, if I was doing literally anything else on the planet I would not. Also, is that a fog machine or are they in Colorado?

  • Bullphrog855

    There are plenty of reloading techniques for conventional shotguns to reduce the time of it. What I hate about these comparison videos, his reload with the 870 was more of him fiddling with his thumbs than anything else.

    I bet reloading the DP-12 is significantly more tedious than doing the 870.

  • Tim U

    I don’t like the inability to make the gun safe if one barrel has fired and the other has not. Honestly, if I were going to drop the money to play in the niche bullpup shotgun world, I would go with the KSG. Easier to top off, no safety issues, and easier to track manual of arms (not fire twice then pump). As it stands, I’ll stick to my old Nova for now.

  • Leigh Rich

    Only $1600. Its heavy weight absorbs lots of the recoil. I want two!!

  • killjoy2009

    I have an idea why not make it a four barrel bullpup shotgun, then you could you shoot two slugs on the right and two on the left creating more damage.

  • Jean Luc Picard

    The ejection system reminds me of the Ithaca shotgun.
    Quite glad to see something like that being reused because the ithaca is one of the rare shotguns with bottom ejection.
    This shotgun is also pretty cool, pretty sure we will see it in many video games and movies now :p

  • killjoy2009

    Here is an idea why not make it a four barrel shotgun then you can have it shoot two slugs on one side and two on the other creating twice the damage and still have the shell come out the bottom or on re pump shells come out from each side as shown in video?