Forgotten Weapons Calls the Bren Ten “The Most Tactical Pistol”

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The Bren Ten can trace the roots of its design back to 1979. It was created by Michael Dixon and Thomas Dornaus of Dornaus and Dixon Enterprises, but there’s more to its story than that. In 1980 they decided to get advice from none other than Col. Jeff Cooper, whose advice proved invaluable. It’s chambered in 10mm, but in the early stages the men tried out wildcat rounds such as the .40 GA. In the end the original Bren Ten was only in production from 1983 to 1986; Dornaus and Dixon were forced to file bankruptcy in 1986, bringing an end to manufacturing. That isn’t the end of the Bren Ten story, though.

Forgotten Weapons just did a Bren Ten video on YouTube, calling it The Most Tactical Pistol. There’s a fair amount of debate about that. What do you think?



katie.ainsworth

Katie is an avid shooter, hunter, military journalist, and Southern girl. Firearms are her passion whether at the range or on a spot-and-stalk after a big buck. She’s a staff writer at The Firearm Blog and writes about guns, hunting, and the military for various publications both online and in print such as Outdoor Life, Handguns, and Shooting Illustrated. Shoot her a message at ainsworth.kat@usa.com


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  • Bj

    Personally I felt a little tongue in cheek from Ian in that video

    • Vitsaus

      I like that he takes subtle shots at the ninja-ism of so much of today’s industry. He clearly has a lot of experience with a variety of significant firearms, and is obviously very well read and educated in the technical aspect of them. I think its harder to be impressed by the hollywood tacticool nature of so many things when you get to see so many firearms that really were “there” during the most pivotal moments in warfare.

      • Ian’s father, Douglas McCollum is a well written gun author, and I think journalist. He definitely comes from a strong lineage.

    • ostiariusalpha

      You wish…

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      Nah, you think?

      I love strange unique guns like this. Also why I love ForgottenWeapons…

      Wish he would take a look at the Wildey or Grizzly.

      • Tothe

        I got to shoot a Grizzly .45 once. It was a blast.

  • st4

    I dunno, I think title of, “Most Tactical Pistol,” goes to the infamous Mk23.

    • imachinegunstuff

      With the LAM of course

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Bass Masters has gotten hard core.

      • Brett

        We have taken the fight to the fish.

        • TJbrena

          The real reason behind the dwindling shark population.

    • CommonSense23

      If by most tactical you mean can also be used as a boat anchor in a emergency. Yes.

      • El Duderino

        You mean, “original factory magazines can be sold to pay the rent. Or buy a new car.”

        • Bill

          They weren’t cheap to begin with…

      • Edeco

        I’d call it a qualification. I mean, in the sense that we’re talking about applying the title to the Bren Ten which famously didn’t work out.

        I do think the title firmly belongs to the Mk23. I’d call it more over-the top, it’s a more successful product (yet not so much as to spoil the tacticality by being practical or mundane) and has become a symbol to gamers and certain military fans.

        • CommonSense23

          I wouldn’t really call the MK23 that successful of a program in SOCOM. It wasn’t that popular. And the MK24 that replaced it probably had more ours in the field by its first year than the MK23 had in almost two decades.

        • Bob

          1. Built as an, “offensive,” handgun (lol).
          2. Military models have, “Mk23 USSOCOM,” engraved on the slide.

          Those alone give it the title, “most tactical.” However, I think some people are confusing such a tongue-in-cheek title for, “most practical,” which we all know the Mk23 is not.

    • Uniform223
      • st4

        Snake?! SNAAAAAKE!

      • John

        Just to be fair: Snake took the Mark 23 because it was the first gun he could find. I certainly didn’t argue, it was a giant step from nothing.

  • MrEllis

    Someone had an opinion. That’s my opinion.

    • ostiariusalpha

      I object to your opinion about that opinion.

      • anomad101

        Peeling opinions makes my eyes water.

        • ostiariusalpha

          I have the same problem with octonions.

    • Porty1119

      My opinion is that your opinion is wrong.

  • Surfgun

    He failed to mention the cross bolt safety can be used to safely lower the hammer. He probably dinged up the firing pin by dry firing the pistol repeatedly with the cross bolt engaged.

  • Fruitbat44

    Interesting little video about an interesting little gun. It was supposed to the be the next big thing, but instead ended up a curio.
    Okay, two pennyworth from an armchair gunfighter, I do wonder if part of the Bren Tens’s problems were that the 10mm. It was the .41 Magnum for auto-loaders: full power was too difficult to control, but downloaded until it was controllable, it’s not really any different from existing calibres.

    • Bill

      “Little” may have been part of the problem, because it was a handful.

      • Devil_Doc

        I don’t get this. Not trying to be snarky, but have either of you shot a 10mm? If you can control a .45, you can control a full power 10mm. These rumors of uncontrollable recoil seem to be more self perpetuating myth than facts based on first hand observation.

        • Jacob Hughes

          Full power 10mm from the 1990’s is different than full power 10mm today. Today it’s barely better than .40 S&W +P unless you’re shooting Cor-Bon or Buffalo Bore.

          • Devil_Doc

            Off the shelf commercial 10mm is basically .40 S&W. Cor-Bon and BB are what 10mm is supposed to be, and neither are worse, to me, than .45 acp. I know that’s subjective, but that has been my impression.. As a reloader, i’m pretty familiar with what 10mm is capable of, and even higher pressure loads have never been unpleasant, even out of smaller guns like a G29.

        • Bill

          Sorry, I wasn’t clear: I don’t have any issues with the 10mm and shot it without any problems out of a Colt Delta and the FBI 1076, if I remember my model numbers correctly. I meant that the Bren was a handful size-wise for anyone with normal to small hands. Then so was the 1076: why the FBI chose a gun that size for plainclothes people across the board is a mystery. I could conceal it, but then I didn’t wear fitted Brooks Brothers suits either.

          • doramin

            The problems all stem from the analysis of the FBI Miami Shootout. There was NOTHING wrong with the agent’s choice of sidearms. The problem was, they should have been wearing Threat Level III vests and carrying carbines and submachine guns going into a felony-stop with perps they KNEW were heavily armed.

            Blaming it all on their handguns was a total copout.

          • Bill

            That’s putting it a little more bluntly than I tried to. Ultimately, they should have had the FBI SWAT units that were on the same detail a couple blocks away handle the stop, cause they had all that stuff. While a couple of agents there were SWAT unit members, they were set up to do surveillance and locate Platt and Mattix, not necessarily take them down.

          • doramin

            Okay. THAT’s part of the story I did not know and it only compounds the error. Of course, if they were going to do a takedown they should have made use of their Tac-unit if they had one on call.

          • Bill

            IIRC, and it’s been awhile since read the AARs and summaries, the agents involved were doing a rolling stakeout looking for P & M’s car. It was spotted, the agent started to follow, and the lead agent believed that they were going to be blown and ordered the stop initiated, before the SWAT agents or Miami-Dade could get there, and it went south from there.

            Platt and Mattix were known killers and badasses and not to be taken lightly. One of the takeaways for me at least at the time, and later as a detective, is to know your limitations and let the street cops and specialty teams do what they do best.

          • The NIJ’s “Computer Man” study was from the mid/late 1970s.

            However, you may be thinking of the FBI Firearms Training Unit’s annual collection of gel tests that was released after their adoption of the mid-velocity 10mm. The first collection had a wound value measurement that the authors insisted was directly proportional to effectiveness. However, this value could also land in negative figures. Ayoob joked as to whether a negative value meant that being shot would make you feel better.

        • Fruitbat44

          Thanks for not being snarky. (And I hope that didn’t come across as snarky because it wasn’t meant to be.) No, never fired a 10mm. As stated in my post, just the opinions of armchair gunslinger.

  • Anonymoose

    NEEDZ MOAR RAILZ!!!1

  • iksnilol

    Uh, tactical? Please, no rail, no striker, uses antiquated DA/SA system with manual safety (!) and worst of all: No defined grip zone like the new XD pistols have.

    Shake my head all the way.

    • Riot

      Muh front slide serrations!

    • MR

      You clearly weren’t around in 1980.

      • iksnilol

        I wasn’t, but I’ve watched Miami Vice and Cocaine Cowboys. I think I know enough about that era. 😛

        • MR

          I haven’t seen Miami Vice since it aired originally. Were rails a common feature of guns on the show? In my experience, they didn’t become common until the early 2000s. Then again, I’m STILL not tactical, and guns that I was familiar with at that time would lean more towards the Fudd end of the spectrum.

          • iksnilol

            Good God, no. No rails in the 80’s. The highest tech in lasers back then was a large scope like contraption mounted on the gun with a separate battery pack. The 80’s were a horrible time if you liked all the fancy stuff nowadays.

            I am pretty old school as well. Silencers and scopes is about as high tech as I get. I don’t even use bipods.

          • Giolli Joker

            “The highest tech in lasers back then was a large scope like contraption mounted on the gun with a separate battery pack.”
            See Stallone’s “Cobra”.

          • Bill

            I think the original Terminator had one of the mondo lasers also. then there was the add that had one mounted on a Colt Trooper with extended stocks for the battery.

          • Iggy

            Tactical!

          • Bill

            Yep, the AMT Longslide.

          • Giolli Joker

            Make it the Javelina and we’re back in topic with 10Auto.

          • Bill

            I’d forgotten all about that one. They were both overshadowed by the AMT On Duty, possibly the clunkiest handgun I have ever fired.

          • smartacus

            he looked scarier as The Governator

          • st4

            “Hey, just what ya see, pal.”

          • iksnilol

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/310cb24a5b47662e8c91761292c510526d00b5ee391b541ba8a027d61f9eee9e.jpg

            That’s what Surefire looked back in the day :O . I think they were called Laser Products Corp back then.

          • Bill

            They were; I still have an original Laser Products 6P that puts out a blistering 65 lumens. Back then we were afraid to point them at paper or shine them at trees.

            And the lasers? Visible in daylight? Maybe during a total eclipse.

          • doramin

            “Phased plasma pulse-rifle, in the 40-watt range…”

          • Out of the Blue

            Then someone figured out that you could get certain diodes to lase. The reason those laser is so big is that it’s a tube of ionized gas. Think a neon light with mirrors on the ends.

          • Swarf

            Pretty sure the other guy’s snubby .38 was chock full of rails.

  • PaulG

    I remember a lot of notoriety for this thing came about because of it’s association with Miami Vice. I also remember reading that a lot of the weapons were shipped either without magazines or without the promised spare mag. In point of fact there was another story I heard about that, when shooting an episode of Miami Vice, Don Johnson did a combat reload and the mag for his Bren Ten was left where it lay. Supposedly there was a mad dash by local firearms enthusiasts to find the abandoned mag.

    • Giolli Joker

      Clearly Mr Johnson had adopted the modern tactical approach to magazine release technique…

      • doramin

        That’s why the variable mag-drop screw was so UN-tactical. You are not supposed to waste time putting an empty magazine in your pocket whilst fighting for your life (Duh!).

        What’s the story that Mas Ayoob related once about the LEO found shot to death in a gunfight with six spent brass casings in his pocket?

        • Giolli Joker

          D&D already knew the mags were going to become collectibles…

          • doramin

            Hmmm, makes me think of the fiends behind “beanie babies” and how they manipulated their market.

            Perhaps Messrs. Dornaus and Dixon made their real fortune selling half their inventory surreptitiously as overpriced collectibles.

        • Actually, studies have shown that your training goes 100% out the window when you engage in a gunfight.

          • Katie A

            Depends on the study, and who you ask.

          • The NYPD:
            http://www.pointshooting.com/1asop9.htm
            http://www.virginiacops.org/articles/shooting/combat.htm
            “An attempt was made to relate an officer’s ability to strike a target in a combat situation to his range qualification scores. After making over 200 such comparisons, no firm conclusion was reached.”
            You can see this trend in their, and other PD’s annual discharge reports.

          • Tothe

            Cops have rather poor firearms training on average.

          • So do 99% of CHL holders.
            Also, read the stats. They even found no correlation between the best, most well qualified officers.

          • MR

            They likely practiced until they could get it right. Gotta practice until you can’t get it wrong, to do any good when it matters. What all is involved in their range qualification? Any thing resembling the “combat situations” they were attempting to make a comparison to? With everything we’ve been hearing about municipal budgets, I seriously doubt it.

          • The Brigadier

            If the training fails Alex you haven’t practiced it enough times.

          • Then why did the NYPD, and other PDs consistently find no correlation between range success and hit probability in a shooting?
            By your logic, shouldn’t the more proficient officers out of the sample size of 200 incidents have shown at least some correlation?

          • Tassiebush

            Stress has a great way of ruining fine motor skills. I’ve read a study that suggested that most people struggle to use sights under a high amount of stress as the eye dilates so much it’s literally a huge challenge to do it. I think the WW2 trainers like Fairbairn, Sykes and Applegate had a lot of sense training soldiers in point shooting for close range encounters.

        • Bill

          Yeah, that was the infamous Newhall massacre. Back in the day, we had an instructor who liked a neat and clean floor and he demanded that we empty our revolvers into these blue buckets they had at the range (“Back to 15, bring your buckets and pick up any stray brass whether it’s yours or not!”). Being the stir stick that I proudly am, I almost got fired for telling that knuckle dragging throwback that I wouldn’t have a bucket handy in a gunfight and therefore didn’t see the point in having one in class. He had a real hard on against speedloaders and a comment I made about them too, but that’s another story…

    • Bill

      IIRC the Bren only lasted a couple of episodes, or maybe the first season, before they switched to the Smith. MV is on Netflix, I can’t watch it cause it makes me feel old.

      • PaulG

        Actually in the pilot he carried a SIG P-220 then switched to the Bren Ten. By the third season he had switched over to the S&W 645,

        • Fruitbat44

          Throw away line I read somewhere (or just plain ole conspiracy theory BS) but rumour has it that big bucks changed hands under the table to get Crockett to switch to the Smith. -shrug- I’ve no idea or make no claim to the truth or otherwise about this, but it does seem that the best sales pitch for a firearm is to have a cool fictional detective toting it e.g. dirty Harry and his M29, Which, apparently, was also adapted to fire .45 blanks.

          • PaulG

            As I recall it the show made a big deal about putting new/unusual weapons, techniques on the show. It’s the only one I recall that actually used the Beretta BM-59 for instance. I think in this case it was a mixture of maintenance issues with the Bren Ten and the availability of newer weapons for the show.

          • Fruitbat44

            Like I said, rumour has it. 🙂
            But now that you mention it I do recall a lot of rather cool hardware being on show. And (probably?) the first use on US TV of that uniquely British epithet, “Wanker.”

          • PaulG

            What I hated was the show’s chroming of things. They used a custom chromed SPAS-12 in a few episodes and it made the thing even uglier than before. One cool thing to see is the shooting style of Jim Zubiena who performed one of the classic examples of a Mozambique Drill on the show.

    • doramin

      I remember that story.

  • Southpaw

    *Quid Pro Quo

  • javierjuanmanuel

    its CZ based, why the hell does CZ not make a 10mm 75 ?

    • John Yossarian

      Because Tanfoglio makes several, including SAO, long slide and compacts.

      • El Duderino

        Yah. The EAA 10mm models are about as close as you’re going to get with new production. Missing some of the features of a real Bren Ten…but in the ballpark.

        • Reef Blastbody

          Honestly, most of the features that differentiate the Bren Ten from the Tanfoglio aren’t really pluses IMO:
          Cross bolt hammer safety: not needed, good riddance.
          Selectable magazine drop/retain screw: meh. I prefer magazines to drop when released. If I was required to carry a gun that retained them, it’s a simple enough change in the CZ pattern that really doesn’t require the added complexity (and breakage point) of the set screw on the Bren Ten.
          Safety location: maybe it’s just me, but the safety on my Tanfoglio .45 is perfectly placed to sweep with my strong side thumb. Not ambidextrous though. Not sure if Tanfoglio offers ambi safeties as an option, TBH.

          Where the Tanfoglio outshines the Bren Ten:

          Rail segment for mounting light/laser. Myself, I’d like to see them offer a full size witness with a full length railed dustcover in all their calibers, ala the CZ P01/SP01.

          14+1 flush fit magazines, 16+1 with base pads, and magazines are abundant and (relatively speaking) cheap and in current production. 10+1 for a handgun that big is mediocre, even by the standards of the 80s.

          Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s a bad ass looking gun, and I was keenly hoping VLTOR could pull off it’s resurrection.

      • javierjuanmanuel

        are they as stout as CZ, I am not an expert on Tangfoglio, but was turned off the idea of one way back when, maybe 2007. I have money burning a hole in my pocket, and like the ergos better than glock 10mm, or the limited rds in colt delta 1911.

        So I have to order through EAA, deal with them (heard many horrible things), and I cannot get the higher level, better made tangfoglio ?

  • nova3930

    Good looking pistol. Has to be since it’s based on the CZs. And I’ve always had a thing for 10mm even though it’s practicality is nill. If Vltor ever gets their version going one will have to go in the collection

    • Devil_Doc

      Wha? How is the 10mm impractical? It can be downloaded to .40 performance or uploaded to darn near .41 mag range, all in a semi auto.

      • nova3930

        For me availability mostly. For me to consider a round practical I need to be able to walk in anywhere and pick it up off the shelf. Sadly 10mm is less available than that. As I said I like 10mm a lot performance wise. Performance that exceeds 357 in a rimless is nice.

        • Devil_Doc

          Where I live, it’s as available as anything else.. Even a few local reloaded ammo makers sell 10mm. Maybe regional?

          • nova3930

            Probably. I can get it at Gander Mt and the dominant lgs but the selection at both is limited. Nobody else around me really carries it. That reason I’ll probably reload it when I finally get a 10mm

  • MR

    Okay, we get it, you’re left handed! 😉

  • Bill

    It’s interesting to read the comments, this being 2015 with autoloaders and high performance ammunition being the norm. When the Bren came out, pistols were a tiny percentage of LE duty guns, the Illinois State Police being the oddballs carrying S&W 39s and some guys carrying 1911s. You had the Colts, the Smiths, and the Browning BHP and BDA/SIG 220 and maybe the occasional H&K P9 or P7, nowhere near the variety of pistols available today. But the screaming vast majority of the LE world were carrying K or L frames, Troopers, Security Sixes and so on.

    I’ve always wondered if culturally cops, being as distracted by trends as we are, drove the change to autoloaders in large part because of Don Johnson. Tubbs carried a J-Frame, and Castillo carried a 6 inch K-frame. I was carrying a Model 13 or 66 and my “raid” gun was a 6 inch 686. The ultimate irony is that so many agencies and cops took such a big ballistic step backwards from the .357 Mag to the 9mm Para, because of capacity, at a time when the 9 didn’t have as many seriously effective loads as it does now.

    • Devil_Doc

      I was under the impression that the switch to semi autos occurred in large part because of shootouts like the botched Miami bank robbery, and because of the limited capacity of revolvers vs semi autos. In a cop with revolver vs bad guy with high cap semi auto fight, a cop is at a pretty serious disadvantage. Sure, those 6 rounds of .357 are far more powerful, but does it really matter when the bad guy has 10 or 15 rounds of 9mm?

      • Bill

        I think “firepower” and “being outgunned” were, and still are, tossed around. We have always tended to blame the hardware for software/training problems. There were a lot of strategic and tactical errors leading to the Miami shootout that wouldn’t have been altered if the agents were armed with pistols instead of revolvers. Indeed, the agent who finished the fight, Edmundo Mireles, put both Platt and Mattix down with the standard issue revolver and Remington 870, using both one-handed after being wounded in his other arm.

        I don’t have the stats at hand, but there is also evidence that as capacity went up, hit rates went down, cops falling victim to spray and pray, with the attendant risk to the community.

        Bottom line is that only good hits count. In my opinion the platform and caliber don’t matter nearly as much as the shooter’s mindset and skill. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if The Boss called me in and handed me a Model 10 and told me to go forth and fight evil. I’d just have to run home and dust off my shoebox full of speed loaders and strips. And find my Border Patrol holster.

        • LG

          He who knows himself and knows his enemies need not fear a thousand battles.
          Sun Tzu

        • doramin

          It was the FBI’s tactical errors, not their sidearms that were behind that bloody debacle. They should have been wearing Threat Level III body armor and carrying CAR 15s and MP5s. They knew the perps were heavily armed.

          Look at the bright side, recall that a ton of .38 and .357 revolvers were dumped on the market (“worn much, fired little”) at the time.

    • Ted Unlis

      The reason LE transitioned from revolvers to semi-auto was the arrival of modern pistols on the market like Sig and Glock which proved just as dependable and similar in revolver like function with double action or similar triggers and no external safety. Ease of transition combined with accuracy, the reliability of one piece feed ramps, higher mag capacity, quick efficient reload capability, less recoil, and less muzzle flash are the reasons why the semi auto became the preferred duty carry handgun of LE and the revolver faded into LE history.

      • Bill

        One could just as easily contend that the surge in “new” pistols was driven by demand from the LE market. Both the SIG and GLOCK companies were European based were autoloaders had been common in LE, with the possible exception of Manhurin revolvers in France. They also had a strong military market at a time when the U.S. was still using the 1911.

        There’s no significant difference in intrinsic accuracy between duty grade revolvers and semis, less recoil is a function of lower power ammunition, muzzle flash is a function of powder selection, we now have revolvers that equal single stack semis in capacity, and for the typical shooter who doesn’t have solid, trained-in reloading techniques, reloading with a speed loader or a magazine will be a function of which they fumble with least. Revolvers may not tolerate environmental contaminants or abuse as well as autos, but they can be left unserviced for decades and still function. Autos may be less subject to wear and more tolerant or abuse, but they need routine servicing. Autos require training in malfunction reduction techniques; revolvers require a second trigger press, or a backup gun, which should be present regardless of what the primary is.

        But I still hold that with a skilled user, it just doesn’t matter. They both have advantages and they both have disadvantages.

  • smartacus

    it’s definitely the most tactical because Crockett can wear it with all his gear
    (you know; Gucci, Armani, Ferragamo, Cavalli, Versace, Brutini, Missoni..)

  • Car54

    Cooper was fond of calling things “a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist”. He kind of shot himself in the foot by proving it with both the “scout rifle” and the Bren Ten. They didn’t really do anything better that what was already available but Cooper was fond of mental masturbation and liked to think up new/old stuff while criticizing other people’s ideas.

    • Devil_Doc

      Ehhhhh….. The scout rifle is ugly, but a damn good idea. I think it’s been a bit of a commercial failure (or just not as successful as other rifles) in large part because of its looks, and because of the shift towards tactical rifles. People who want deer rifles buy deer rifles. People who want a SHTF rifle tend to buy semi autos. For the era, the scout rifle was pretty sound thinking. I see the scout rifle as like the SKS. It was far better than the predecessor, but other technology outran its usefulness. As to the Bren Ten, I just flat out disagree. Lol.. If the US military hadn’t switched to 9mm right around the time that the 10mm was being introduced, would the gun community have adopted the 10mm? As an alternative to the .45 acp, which was the semi auto holy grail at the time, the 10mm was a far better gun. If the military/NATO hadn’t switched to 9mm, what round would have been the logical choice for LEOs and the general public to adopt as we logically moved away from revolvers? Another thought.. Would the .44mag have had the same commercial success if Harry Callahan had carried the .41 mag?

      • doramin

        Switching to the 9mm was the military’s big mistake. Switching from the venerable M1911 to a more modern handgun design was another matter. But since the military only uses hardball ammo the .45ACP is the only way to go. Without modern expanding ammo the 10mm is a waste of energy.

        Like the ridiculous camouflage pattern-of-the-week, the endless parade of 1911 successors has been another excuse for DoD to waste OUR money.

        • Devil_Doc

          Switching to 9mm was a good idea with poor execution. 15 tiny 9mm holes from 15 well controlled shots are better than 1 or 2 larger .45 inch holes, but not by much. The problem was, and still is, FMJ ammo. That being said, I’d still rather bet my life on 10mm FMJ than .45 FMJ, or 9mm. The wound channel from a 200 gr 10mm at 11-1200 fps is far more devastating than a 240 gr .45 moving at 800 fps.
          Agreed on the camo debate though. As ex navy, I really wonder who thought sailors on a ship wearing blue camo was a good idea? Those MARPATs are the shizzle though..

      • Katie A

        Actually the scout rifle is enjoying a serious upswing right now. Trends nationwide show sales rising this year.

        • MR

          Trends based on fashion, not necessarily whether it’s a good idea or not.

          BTW, excellent article.

    • DonDrapersAcidTrip

      “Cooper was fond of calling things ‘a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist’.”

      so that’s why I see old timers or people with the mentality of old timers repeat that phrase on literally every article about a new aftermarket gun part.

  • MR

    “Ojos Locos”

    • doramin

      Don’t jump to conclusions. It may have been one of the many episodes where “Detective Sonny Crockett” was working undercover as one of the Bad Guys.

      Remember the episode where he was undercover as “Sonny Burnett”, got a knock on the head, and woke up suffering amnesia in the care of the gangster he was investigating at the time and assumed from him that he was Evil Sonny?

  • doramin

    There’s another promising design that never got taken up. Hollywood cannot dictate the tides. The Jati was in Cobra and (the original) Red Dawn.

    “Avenge me, boys!!”

    • Giolli Joker

      I’d jump on a modern semi-auto Jatimatic…

      • MR

        I originally read that as “Jam-o-matic”.

  • Mike

    Semi decent firearm with horrific magazine issues.

  • Chase Buchanan

    That may be the most tactical thing I’ve ever seen. Fantastic tongue-in-cheek humor by Ian.

  • Kulibin762

    The cross bolt safety makes sense for de-cocking on the loaded chamber

  • Bill

    Handled one of these in 1984 at the Salt Palace gun show. It was one of a pair that was on display and I remember thinking that it was one of the nicest feeling handguns I’ve ever picked up. Would have bought it on the spot but it wasn’t for sale. Too bad someone didn’t pick this design up when it went out of production-just having one in a holster would be pretty blingy.

  • X-Ring

    “The Most Tactical Pistol”? Yeah, if you discount the frequent jamming and the frame cracking due to the design not being able to take the 10mm ammo it was feeding. The only place the Bren Ten worked out was on “Miami Vice” and that was a TV show!

  • Brian M

    Tactical: Proper mindset
    Tacticool: AR+8lbs of accessories
    Tacticlol: Gecko45
    Tacticlod: Bren 10

  • The Brigadier

    Looks a little bit like the CZ that was reviewed a few weeks ago.