Aero Survival Rifle – 10mm, .357 SIG

Aero Precision rifle

TNW Firearms will introduce new versions of the Aero Survival Rifle later this year. The new guns will be chambered in 10mm and .357 SIG.

In my testing of 9mm and .40 S&W carbines, the increased velocity (as compared to typical handguns) from the longer barrels can be significant. However, I’ve also seen that velocity increase┬áis widely variable based on the load being measured. It will be interesting to see what kinds of numbers these guns will turn in.

Aero Precision rifle

The Aero Survival Rifle is designed to break down easily into a backpack and be used as a survival rifle or camping gun. The rifles use Glock magazines and have a vaguely AR-style look to them.

Rifles can be converted from one caliber to another fairly easily. The upper is the serialized part, so lowers can be purchased and swapped without the need for another trip to your FFL. This is important if you want to convert from one caliber to another that uses different sized mags (9mm to .45 ACP, for example.)



Richard Johnson

An advocate of gun proliferation zones, Richard is a long time shooter, former cop and internet entrepreneur. Among the many places he calls home is http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/.


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  • AndyT

    I’d love to see a review of these. I wouldn’t mind picking up their pistol and SBR’ing it if it had favorable reviews.

    • mikewest007

      SBRing, pft. I want it in pistol form, full stop. Reminds me of the TEC9.

      • Zang Kang King

        $650 here’s the pistol from Gunbroker.

        • iksnilol

          It looks like a bulky tec-9 O_o

        • RICH

          It looks like a ‘Flash Gordon’ prop ! ! I wonder how well they shoot.

        • noob

          hmm that little scoop on the front of the magwell looks like it’s flirting with danger. I wonder how they convinced the ATF that nobody would ever put their support hand there?

          • Laserbait

            There’s nothing illegal about putting your support had up there. It’s not a grip, it’s part of the magwell.

  • Christopher Edward Penta

    What the hell is with your hyperlinks.

    • They seem to work on my end. What are you seeing/what needs to be fixed?

      • Flounder

        I see two links in the article. One is tnw firearms and the other when you hover over it says link added by viglink. It is on glock magazines and takes you to amazon.

        • Ah, thanks for the clarification. I always try to link to the manufacturer’s site so readers can get more information. Advertising links are not something I have control over. They may suck, but they also help keep the site (1) online and (2) free. Without ads, 1, 2 or both may change.

      • Barney Samson

        I think he’s objecting to them generally, not that they’re not working.

    • Anonymoose

      It’s an automatic ad thing, not something TFB intentionally adds. You should always check hyperlinks before you click them.

      • Christopher Edward Penta

        I know what they ARE. But … why. That’s pretty disruptive advertising.

  • derpmaster

    This would be cool in 50 AE with Deagle mags.

    • Anonymoose

      I’d buy one in .50AE if it used double-stack mags. I don’t even care if they’re proprietary or if some guy on the internet thinks it’s “impractical.”

  • mud

    Wow, $650 pistol caliber non-AR pattern, AR style rifle. This is almost as bad as that Mossberg .22lr that resembles an AR if you squint hard facing the sun.

    • wetcorps

      Sill pretty cheap as far as PCC go…

    • aka_mythos

      I don’t understand how this is bad? When a list of companies are selling pistol caliber non-ARs for $1200+… This is practically half the price in heavier calibers. It’s obviously had thought put into to accommodate what a lot of people buying these sorts of weapons are doing.

      • Gabriel

        Yea no kidding. People are willing to take a gamble on a keltec sub 2000 for 650 if they can find them and here’s what looks like a better product for the same price

        • JSmath

          Heyhey, I paid $320 for my sub2k and it’s a damned fine weapon. Modestly accurate but perfectly reliable … mine is one of the ones that is particularly difficult to reassemble, but I’ll pay that price for two FTE’s in hundreds and hundreds of rounds.

          One of these would make for a great learning carbine for women and kids. And pull its weight in a bad moment.

          • Squirreltakular

            Dear god, what is with that reassembly? I had to take mine back to the LGS the first time because I was completely stumped.

            Damn good price, btw. I paid $400 for mine and thought it was the cheapest around.

        • Dracon1201

          Not a gamble, not anymore. And not for 650 at all.

      • oldman

        $1299.00 According to the website gets you the backpack and conversion kits it gives you 9mm .40 and .45 at the present time.

    • Anonymoose

      It takes AR grips and stocks and Glock mags. If you want to be able to share more small parts, you could build one yourself on a Lone Wolf or QC10 lower.

  • sean

    OR you could buy a Glock G40 in the 10mm and put a stock on that.

    • Barney Samson

      Just don’t forget the SBR legalities and $200.00 tax stamp.

    • floppyscience

      So you’d end up with a more expensive, more awkward, heavier-recoiling pseudo-carbine with a poor sight radius and lower velocity? Why would that be better?

      • sean

        Time has proven that the glock is going to work. It will work with 200gr hardcast double taps and it will work with 180 hollow points. Even without the stock the pistol alone can hit targets out to 250 yards. This newer gun might function with some 10mm loads…maybe all…its not proven

    • Cal.Bar

      LOL!! Not in CA you don’t. In fact, under NFA rules, you need a tax stamp to manufacture an SBR to do that.

    • noob

      are there long barrels for glocks to increase muzzle velocity? I remember something about that where the long barrel required a special muzzle device to help with the tilting action, but I never saw one myself.

  • JS

    How many other pistols/rifles take Glock magazines and can change from 9mm to .40S&W to .45acp in a couple seconds?

    • Dracon1201

      That’s really cool. how much does that weigh?

      • JS

        5.5lbs

        • Dracon1201

          Nice. That actually excites me.

    • Squirreltakular

      That is gorgeous.

    • M.

      What gun is this?

      • JS

        TNW Aero SBR

  • Paladin

    Now that’s actually pretty cool, I hope they make them with an 18.6″ bbl for us Canucks, I figure a modestly priced handy non-restricted 10mm carbine could sell quite well.

  • Southpaw89

    Funny thing is I was just wondering if someone made a 10mm carbine.

  • floppyscience

    I’d love a .357 SIG carbine. Looking at BBTI, it clocks at 300fps faster and 46% more powerful than 9mm +P in the same 16″ barrel.

  • Broadkil

    Nice to see they took my idea seriously

  • ak1134

    from a survival perspective the keltec su16 for $300 is more practical. it folds in half and carries 2 mags in the buttstock with a bipod. Keltec Su-16 weighs 3.5 -4 lbs.

    • iksnilol

      It’s weird how lightweight they made it. I mean, it’s a fully fledged 5.56 rifle with a 40 cm barrel yet it weighs less than a stock 10/22.

      • UCSPanther

        That my friend, is the magic of plastic engineering.

        I own a Sub 2000 (9mm) and it is a light carbine that folds neatly in half and can be stashed in my day pack when I go fishing or hiking.

        • iksnilol

          I know, it’s just weird that Kel-Tec did something that friggin HK and their cabal of teutonic engineers didn’t manage to do. That is building a lightweight rifle using plastics. Compare the SU16 with the G36. The SU16 weighs a bit more than half the weight of the G36.

          That SUB2000 would be so nice for rabbit and grouse here in Norway. Integrally suppress it, put on it an offset red dot. Too bad it would never be approved with its scary looks.

          • UCSPanther

            The 9mm version is actually very quiet, being only slightly louder than a .22. I’ve found mine to be very reliable, feeding just about every type of factory 9mm through it.

        • LetsTryLibertyAgain

          I’d give a left testicle for a 10mm SUB-2000 that took Glock mags. I have Gen 1 SUB-2000 folding carbines in 9mm and 40, and a 9mm Gen 2. Very reliable, durable, lightweight, portable and easy to carry. Lots of customer driven improvements in the Gen 2.

          I wanted to like the Aero Survival Rifle, but it just doesn’t quite do it for me somehow.

          I’d love to have an ultralight stainless and polymer .22 LR survival rifle that was very compact. We need a modern extreme makeover of the AR-7.

  • DW

    A proper 10mm load fired from a 16″ barrel is gonna be awesome

  • Nocternus

    Who are they kidding calling that a 3 day pack. After loading ammo, the rifle, magazines, there isn’t going to be room for much of anything. I have a 65 liter pack and without a rifle or ammo it is pretty full for a 72 hour pack.

  • Bal256

    My biggest pet peeve with pistol caliber carbines is the over-sized mag well that makes it look like it was built off old AR-15 machinery. Other than my personal taste, I’m sure its a fine gun.

  • Cal.Bar

    AH, yes, 10mm, and .357 sig. Great calibers to get dropped in the middle of nowhere with since you will NEVER be able to find ammo you didn’t bring with you.

    • UCSPanther

      You gotta bring your own ammo. With .357 SIG though, you can make your own brass out of .40 SW cases.

    • noob

      If you’ve found more ammo, that means there’s more people. You’re saved! or possibly doomed if it is a war and you’ve wandered into the wrong camp.

    • Mazryonh

      At least 10mm uses the exact same bullets as .40 S&W.

    • aka_mythos

      Obviously you’ll select the caliber based on what you anticipate as your purpose. I know 10mm is used by some people in wilderness settings in case of bear attack, where 9mm, .40, and .45 are considered inadequate. Someone may want to carry in that situation a combination of weapons that share the same 10mm magazines.

      Something else to consider is that while the 10mm was primarily developed for a pistol, some degree of design intent was that it’d be used in carbine length barrels out of submachine guns. This is just to say as a matter of design efficiency the added barrel length results in a greater improvements over what 9mm, .40, and .45 see out of increased barrel lengths.

  • Mazryonh

    Good to see more manufacturers putting out PCCs in this caliber.