SIG SAUER® Shipping 1911 TACOPS Chambered in .357SIG

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I’ve been waiting for this to happen for some time and now SIG has come out with a 1911 in .357 SIG. This puts near .357 mag performance in the Tacops version of the SIG 1911.

The Tacops is a SIG 1911 I have a lot of experience with having owned one for several years. They picked a good model to start off with the .357 SIG caliber. Details on the Tacops is listed below.

From SIG Sauer:

NEWINGTON, N.H. (September 21, 2015) — SIG SAUER, Inc., is now shipping its proven 1911 TACOPS platform chambered in the powerful .357 SIG caliber.

With a tried and tested pedigree earned working with law enforcement agencies such as the Texas Department of Public Safety, the SIG SAUER® 1911 TACOPS offers top-of-the-line accuracy and reliability in the ergonomically friendly 1911 design. Now paired with the high-velocity ballistics of the .357SIG cartridge, the 1911 TACOPS is the perfect choice for personal defense or small game hunting.

The Nitron® stainless steel slide and frame boasts a rugged, durable finish, while the Ergo® XT grips provide a firm command of the pistol even when wet or muddy. A skeletonized hammer and trigger offer high performance while the crisp, 5-lb, single-action-only trigger maximizes the accuracy. The 5˝ barrel capitalizes on the enhanced ballistics of the .357SIG cartridge, and ambidextrous manual safeties provide the flexibility demanded by professional users.

Low-profile night sights and a MILSTD dust cover rail for lights and lasers make the 1911 TACOPS a great low-light option. No matter if the task is concealed carry, law enforcement detail, or hunting feral hogs, the 1911 TACOPS is up to the challenge.

The 1911 TACOPS package is rounded out with an enhanced beavertail safety, steel magwell and four
8-round magazines.

With ballistics matching the vaunted .357 Magnum round, the .357SIG features enhanced energy transfer and intermediate barrier penetration capabilities. In use by numerous elite law enforcement agencies, the .357SIG is ideal for defensive duty.

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1911 TACOPS

Caliber .357SIG
Action Type Single-action only
SA Trigger Pull 5 lbs.
Overall Length 8.7˝
Overall Height 5.5˝
Overall Width 1.4˝
Barrel Length 5˝
Sight Radius 6.5˝
Weight w/Mag 41.6 oz.
Mag Capacity 8 Rounds
Sights Low-profile night sight
Grips Ergo® XT
Frame Finish Nitron
Slide Finish Nitron
Features Thumb, grip safeties, 4 magazines
MSRP $1,232.00



Phil White

Retired police officer with 30 years of service. Firearms instructor and SRU team member. I still instruct with local agencies. My daily carry pistol is the tried and true 1911. I’m the Associate Editor and moderator at TFB. I really enjoy answering readers questions and comments. We can all learn from each other about our favorite hobby!


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  • Chriss Kyle

    Cool gun but expensive

    • Vitsaus

      I think that is going to be a tough sell, .357 SIG is already a niche round, putting one in a 1911 clone narrows the audience even more, then street price will likely be $1099 at best, not more. They should have maybe introduced it in one of their more affordable models first.

      • Chriss Kyle

        Thank you but I like .45 ACP 1911 than a .357 Sig. I have one 1911 in .45 ACP for only 650$ street price.

  • Vitor Roma

    .357 sig out of a 5″ is a mean, mean round.

    • Anonymoose

      I’d rather have it in the full 10mm. :^)

      • MrPotatoHead

        Sig TacOps in 10mm coming next year. 😉

  • HenryV

    Oh wow.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I need one.

  • Don Ward

    Yeah. .357 Sig =/= .357 Mag except in the very mildest Mag loads. And even then.

    As others have mentioned, 10mm semi-auto Master Race.

    • Vitsaus

      Tough to argue with you on that point.

    • El Duderino

      It duplicates the .357 Magnum…just out of a 2-1/2″ snub!

      Wake me up when they come out with a sub-$1000 factory 9×25 1911 with a comped barrel (and commonly available ammo in the 125-158gr range vs. all those 90gr lightweights). 158gr JHP at 1600fps+ sounds like fun! Like a Coonan without the proprietary mags and other parts.

      • Steve Truffer

        The problem with those comparisons is the chamber is included in autos, but omitted in revolvers. The OAL of a .357 is 1.6 inches, so a 2.5 snubbie is more like 4.1 inch if you want to compare apples to apples.

      • at that point, why not just go with a 10mm? 5″ gun running standard 10mm 180gr loads from places like Buffalo Bore or Underwood are up there around 1500 FPS, and a 165gr is running hotter than 1600.

    • 10mm is a great cartridge, and has great ballistics. I enjoy shooting it. The problem with it is that, like 7.62×25, .38 Super, and others, unless you reload, it’s damn near impossible to get your hands on without ordering it in.

      The same is true for .357 Sig, though, so, I’m not sure why the .357 Sig would be a useful chambering. The only thing I could see this doing is getting a gun out there that has everything set up to run .40 except the barrel, and with a barrel swap, you now have the 1911 set up to run .40 which is plentiful and very popular for various gun games.

      I’d LIKE to see 10mm become far more popular/available, and hopefully with its resurgence as a hunting cartridge, it will. But for now, I’ll stick with +P .45 ACP or prevalent 9mm +P+ loadings, which on humans, offer plenty of ability to drop the guy without issues.

    • Ted Unlis

      You’re mistaken Don, in an apples to apples comparison when Sig Sauer debuted their new Sig 357 loaded with 125gr bullets, average muzzle velocities of 1420 to 1450 fps and muzzle energy in the 580-590 ft lb range from a 4.4″ barrel which matches or is close to muzzle velocity and energy common full load 125gr 357 mag rounds fired from a 4″ barrel.

      Over time the major ammunition manufacturers dialed the 357 Sig muzzle velocities back to around 1350fps for optimal performance in FBI standard ballistic gel testing which drives LE duty ammo sales.

      You’re likely misled by ballistic testing on 357 mag from 6” or longer barrels loaded to the max which might be great for hunting, but the increased recoil and over penetration makes impractical for LE or self defense applications just as a 44 mag is impractical for like reasons.

      You’re probably also unaware that back in the day when the majority of LE carried a 4″ 357 mag revolver, most 125gr 357 mag duty ammo was loaded to muzzle velocities in the 1250 to 1300 fps range, so you see, even with 125gr 357 Sig duty ammo dialed back to a muzzle velocity of 1350 fps, it performs as well or better than no longer common 357 mag duty ammo, and outperforms the 357 mag when you consider the reduced muzzle flash and recoil of the 357 Sig.

      The primary reason there are few LE Agencies that still use the 357 Sig is cost of ammo, the manufacturers took full advantage of the fact that pistols chambered in357 Sig were less common than 40 S&W pistols, and even though the 357 Sig was by no means rare, ammunition manufacturers and retailers marked up 357 Sig ammo to a price significantly higher than 40 S&W.

      For State and Local agencies that purchased 357 Sig ammo tens of thousands of rounds at a time, the price of 357 Sig was about the same or only marginally higher than 40 S&W ammo.

      The reason both 357 Sig and 40 S&W are on the way out as LE duty ammo is because technological advancement in bullet design has resulted in 9mm duty ammo such as Federal HST that offers ballistic performance equaling 357 Sig and 40 S&W. The 9mm also offers less recoil, higher magazine capacity and a drastically reduced price for practice and training ammo, but when they get the chance, ammunition manufactures will find a way to drive up and price-fix 9mm ammo just like they’ve done with 380 ACP and 300 AAC ammo.

  • Aaron

    Whats the difference between .357 SIG compared to .357 MAGNUM?

    Also what makes the 10mm round stand out?

    • Darkpr0

      .357 SIG is meant to replicate moderate, light-grain 357 Mag loads. It also works way better in autoloading firearms without the rim. But hot magnum loads will still outperform it.

      10mm is a 40 S&W lengthened (actually 40 S&W is shortened 10 but you get the idea). It packs in more powder, and more power. Its performance is better able to reach energy levels of hot 357 Mag, and the 10mm necked to 9mm (aka 9x25mm Dillon) reaches some sick, filthy numbers. Honestly though, it’s difficult to shoot well. It has a lot of snap,a lot of recoil, and new shooters will find it challenging. Experienced shooters can get very good with it.

      • Aaron

        Thank you for taking the time to explain that.

        I wonder why so many people go with 9mm instead of .357 SIG it seems to be a good round with more power?

        • Menger40

          9mm is much more common, much more established and cheaper to shoot. There are also tons of great 9mm pistols out there, and relatively few 357 Sig options available.

          • gunsandrockets

            In theory if you start with a .40 S&W Glock, conversions to .357 Sig and 9mm are easy.

        • Darkpr0

          It’s getting more popular, but it’s more expensive than both 9 and 40. Frankly I’m of the opinion myself that if I want .357 mag power, I’ll just take my S&W 19 and go shoot some 357 Mag. If I want a strong autoloading cartridge with superior penetration, I’ll take my CZ52 in 7.62x25mm out for a spin.

          I think 357 Sig is a good idea, but with bullet design improving as quickly as it is, and the large nebulousness in the public understanding of wounding mechanics it’s impossible to conclusively say it’s “better” than anything out there. But if you find yourself wishing 9mm had more power than +P can produce, 357 SIG might be your ticket.

          • gunsandrockets

            Yeah, for a 1911 other choices in caliber make more sense than .357 Sig, such as .38 Super or 9×23 Winchester.

          • An OlFolk

            S&W M&P 40 just requires a barrel change and the mags are labeled for 40 and 357sig. Works great!

          • Darkpr0

            It makes more sense for people who are reloaders, and who already do 9mm and 10mm (Not 40) just because you have convertible brass and projectiles already. How many people do that? Probably some, but not your average shooter. For 357 SIG to get popular there would have to be some advantage for 9mm projectiles vs 40 cal. In the current climate where everyone is about expanded bullet diameter, I don’t think that exists. If a demand arises for rounds which can penetrate further, this will become big as people and organizations will have barrel changes on their 40s as a cost-effective way of getting performance in that environment. I don’t foresee that happening to the market anytime soon while the current testing medium is ballistics gelatin, so 357 SIG is kind of a novelty for now.

        • Jeremy Star

          1 – 357 Sig can be hard to find and expensive when you do.
          2 – 357 Sig is LOUD. Louder than the big 3 auto calibers. (9mm, .40, and .45)
          3 – Recoil.
          4 – It’s not really better at anything other than barrier penetration.

          • Opus 0321

            Your right about the ammo, slim pickings for the .357 Sig……although to me .40 and .45 ACP is louder than .357 Sig is and the recoil is less than the .40 and .45 too. Also, I shoot much better groups with .357 Sig, go figure.

        • Joshua Noble

          9mm is a perfectly respectable round that has been used to kill a multitude of people quite dead, and has done for a relatively long time. It’s also lighter and cheaper than .357 sig, has (generally) a more comfortable recoil, and is (again, generally) more conducive to the design of high capacity, compact magazines.

      • hey, a straight 10mm without a neck-down hits around 1600 FPS with a 165-gr bullet (assuming you buy stuff loaded to the original Norma specs, not the weakened FBI specs)

        • Darkpr0

          10mm is a powerful handgun round with a reputation to match. It’s no joke. It has its disadvantages, too. FBI very rightfully noted that it was overly powerful for people who were not used to shooting guns. I wouldn’t start out new shooters on it and expect them to enjoy guns anymore.

          I don’t do a lot of competition shooting, but when I do see a guy running 9x25mm Dillon it’s always impressive. It’s big, blasty, and it gets those pills moving stupid, stupid quick. If you’re on a long-range stage and you have the skill to shoot it you will larf your way through whatever target they have set up.

      • Blake

        I think 9×25 Dillon would make a super duper carbine/PDW round: access to all the excellent 9mm bullets with a whole lot more oomph (even more than hot Russian/Israeli SMG ammo).

        • BearSlayer338

          I’m sure someone has done it to a M5/10 at some point.(10mm Mp5 model FYI)

          • Ted Unlis

            You’re correct, FBI Agents were issued the H&K MP5 in 10mm until around 2012 when transition began to a less costly 40 S&W alternative AR platform weapon.

            If the FBI hasn’t already, no doubt they soon will be transitioning to a 9mm sub gun for the same reason they’re currently transitioning to 9mm duty pistols; to take advantage of the technological leaps in 9mm duty ammo performance over the last 2 or 3 years as confirmed by FBI standard protocol ballistic gel testing.

            Amazing advancements by major manufacturers in bullet design and performance like Federal has achieved with their HST 9mm duty ammo is why in a few short years, most all LE Agencies that may now prefer 40 S&W, 357 Sig, and yes, even 45 ACP duty weapons will transition to 9mm duty weapons.

            Based on everything I knew before, I was first in line to call BS on any suggestion for transition from 40 S&W or 357 Sig to 9mm, but after skeptical review of ballistic data and video documenting ballistic gel test results, I was forced to acknowledge that this new generation of 9mm duty ammo is undeniably a game changer and just about everything we thought we new about duty ammo bullet weight, velocity, energy, penetration, expansion, and stopping power applicable to a practical DUTY HANDGUN, was not set in stone as I was previously convinced, and in many ways much different from conventional wisdom I previously believed.

      • Ted Unlis

        Darkpr0 you’re misinformed about the 357 Sig, it actually equals or exceeds 357 magnum performance in both muzzle velocity and muzzle energy when comparing 125gr HP personal defense/duty loads loads fired from personal defense/duty weapons of like barrel length. Any 357 Sig duty pistol with a 4″ to 4.5″ barrel pushing a standard 125gr HP duty load at 1350 fps delivers 500 ft lbs or more of muzzle energy with significantly less recoil and muzzle flash than a 357 mag 4″ duty revolver firing a standard 125gr HP duty load that all major manufacturers now load at 1250 fps on less with muzzle energy in the low to mid 400 ft lb range at best.

        Comparing a hot load with equal bullet weight fired from 6 or 8″ 357 mag revolver is a lame and misleading apples and oranges match-up.

        And no, a hot load 357 mag pushing a 175gr or heavier bullet to match optimal 10mm bullet weight doesn’t reach ballistic performance levels of the 10mm Auto, for that you have to go one size up to 41 S&W magnum for an honest apples to apples comparison of a revolver that meets or exceeds the 10mm Auto ballistic performance.

        • Darkpr0

          Per Ballistics By The Inch, comparing a 4″ Mag to a 4″ Sig: Cor-Bon 125gr JHP 1496 FPS vs 1468 FPS, Mag wins. Federal 125gr JHP 1511 fps vs 1426 fps, Mag wins. Even limited to your own comparison the numbers don’t work out in your favour. If we extend out to 6, you’re looking at 1715 fps vs 1552 fps, and 1702 fps vs 1531 fps and the situation doesn’t get any better.

          As for 10mm there are hot magnum loads that are factory available (Buffalo Bore, looking at you) that will match the best 10 Auto loads at over 1 kJ of energy. And they exist in both light-ball and heavy-ball flavours. Is it the everyday loading for user? No. Can it do it? Happens all the time.

          • Ted Unlis

            Using niche market manufacturers like Cor-Bon and especially Buffalo Bore well known for their unapologetic overpressure loads not even close to SAAMI spec line of ammunition is a lame attempt to once again avoid an apples to apples duty ammo comparison.

            The hottest 357 mag 125gr JHP round available from Federal claims a muzzle velocity 1450 fps, but again, that’s from a 6″ barrel. The Federal 357 Sig shows 1350 fps from a 4.25 inch barrel.

            You might not want to admit it, but optimal 357 mag 125gr HP duty ammo back when most of LE carried revolvers or optimal 357 mag duty ammo available today is in the 1250 fps range.

            If the 357 magnum was still the preferred choice of LE, all major manufacturers would respond to the demand with ammunition that performs well in FBI standard protocol ballistic gel testing just as Speer Gold Dot 357 Sig 125gr HP does, or the Federal HST 9mm +P 125gr HP does, but since 357 mag is not in demand, hot loads better suited for hunting using a 6″ or longer barrel would perform poorly in ballistic gel testing due to over penetration.

            If Federal actually offered a hot load 357 mag 125gr HP capable of 1511 fps from 4″ revolver (which they don’t), again, a misleading and lame apples and oranges comparison.

            Hot load Cor-bon, apples and oranges comparison.

            Super hot overpressure Buffalo Bore 357 mag loads intended for use on dangerous game as the name implies, are better suited for a 357 mag rifle in hunting applications, and such super hot loads would easily penetrate two or three 18 inch blocks of ballistic gel, once again a ridiculous apples and oranges comparison used to deny the fact that in honest apples and apples duty ammo comparison, the 357 Sig accomplishes exactly what it was designed to do by equaling or exceeding the ballistic performance of 357 mag duty ammo with comparible bullet weight and barrel length.

          • Darkpr0

            You keep telling me what a duty load is, but you have provided no third-party evidence for your claims. Not only that, but you would have to also prove that 357 ammunition which performs to my above numbers is not obtainable or is unsuitable for use in a gun. Given that I cheerfully buy Buffalo Bore and feed it through my S&W 19 (A gun which people claim has shady durability with hot loads, and yet mine eats it as happily as the lightest 38 you can find) you may find that second part somewhat difficult. If you know any game more dangerous than a human intent on your death, I’d like to hear it.

            Just for funsies, let’s go back to BBTI and have a look at some real world examples.Federal 125gr JHP as you’ve already pointed out is a preferred round. 1436 fps out of a 4″ S&W 686 vs 1367 out of a 4″ Steyr M357. Roll up to that 5.875″ Korth (most similar to my 6″ Model 19) and you are looking at 1447 fps versus 1366 for the SVI Infinity, and the automatics don’t even have cylinder gap. Is it a huge difference? No. Is the SIG equaling or exceeding the ballistic performance of 357 Mag? No. You can talk about duty ammo all you want and claim it’s this loading or that loading, it makes no difference. Duty round is whatever I feed my firearm for defense purposes, and I feed the stuff I can buy right now, from Cabela’s or wherever, as hot as I can handle.

            While the point about overpenetration may be true, keep in mind also that there are plenty of light ball, hot-loaded rounds in the 125 gr area (even by Buffalo Bore). That goes a fair way into keeping overpenetration under control. If you’re absolutely terrified of overpenetration despite the potential for obstacles, armor, and bone, you can load yourself some Lehigh Maximum Expansion or Controlled Fracture projectiles to make use of that delightful energy budget. Personally, I don’t really feel the need. I like the knowledge that if somebody is threatening me, the penetration afforded by my choice of round allows me to threaten areas behind obstacles which would otherwise be impermeable to rounds which give up a ton of penetration because it gives better results on ballistics gel tests.

            You are claiming that 357 SIG matches/betters 357 Mag numbers. The numbers I have access to say that is not the case. 357 SIG can probably pushed further, the Mag has had many long years to be pushed (Good ol’ Elmer). But for right now, I don’t have evidence that supports your position effectively.

          • Ted Unlis

            Darkpro, you’re obviously clueless about the history 357 Sig and why it was created to begin with, I doubt any of the following will temper your denial and obstinance, but never the less.

            (1) When the 357 mag 4″ revolver was the preferred handgun of LE, the preferred duty ammunition for those weapons was a 125gr JHP in the 1250 to 1300 fps range as a result of ballistic testing actual LE experience to arrive at an optimal load with sufficient penetration and expansion balanced with recoil.

            (2) Maxed out hot loads never were preferred for LE duty carry, that’s why the 44 mag wasn’t the preferred duty weapon, over penetration and excessive recoil affecting multiple shot accuracy and speed.

            (3) By the late 80’s semi-pistols available from Sig, Glock, and Beretta had been proven just as reliable for duty carry as revolvers, but far superior to revolvers in ammunition capacity, reload efficiency, reload speed, reduced recoil, and reduced muzzle flash.

            (4) by the late 1980’s the revolver became essentially obsolete for LE duty carry much the same as the single action revolver became obsolete for military and LE duty carry when displaced by reliable more efficient to reload double action revolvers in the late 19th century.

            (5) As all of LE transitioned from revolvers to SA pistols, real world LE experience and data from officer involved shootings revealed that duty ammo in the preferred 9mm and 45 ACP issue weapons fell short of the 357 mag in consistent penetration and expansion with incapacitating wounds that stop an aggressor in a use of deadly force event.

            (6) FBI ballistic testing combined with their own and other LE experience with 9mm and 45 resulted in the FBI adopting 10mm SA duty pistols which necessitated reduce loads for duty ammo to avoid 41 mag like over penetration and heavy recoil.

            (7) 40 S&W was created which allowed the same ballistic performance of reduced load 10mm duty ammo in a 9mm size firearm frame.

            (8) While the 40 S&W cured most of the shortfalls experienced by LE with 9mm and 45 ACP, it still fell short of 357 mag ballistic performance.

            (9) The 357 Sig was created and designed to accomplish 357 mag performance by delivering on target a 125 gr JHP at 1420 fps with the added benefit more than doubled ammo capacity, less recoil, and less muzzle flash.

            (10) Predictably the innovative 357 Sig mirrored or exceeded 357 mag duty ammo performance and lethality as became evident when agencies issuing the 357 Sig soon confirmed through officer involved shootings that a .355 hollow point 125 grain projectile with a muzzle velocity of 1350 or more and muzzle energy over 500 ft lbs achieved or exceeded the performance and lethality of the 357 mag which had become obsolete for LE duty carry several years prior.

            Darkpr0 you can stick with that hard headed apples and oranges idiocy and denial as long as you want, but your alternative reality can’t change the fact that 357 Sig performs exactly as advertised, and even though the round never attained LE duty carry preference like 40 S&W, the 357 Sig does exactly what it was designed to do, meet or exceed the performance of 357 mag duty ammo carried in revolvers by LE before the old workhorse was displaced by semi-auto’s and considered obsolete for duty carry.

          • Darkpr0

            Yeah I’m pretty dumb, alright. But you’re comparing 357 SIG to older loads I don’t use, and telling me it’s better than those. Of course it is, that’s why I don’t use those loads. The modern hot loadings that I do use function in my gun of choice, and are not bettered by the SIG loadings you quote, and that’s exactly what I first explained in the very reply I posted to the question asked at the top of this thread. The difference between SIG and Mag is that 357 SIG matches moderate 357 Mag loads. It does not (yet) match a hot 357 Mag load. But it took me three sentences to say it, and it’s taken you most of a thesis paper. There really shouldn’t be a problem here.

          • Ted Unlis

            Well Darkpr0, you’ve made it clear you’ll never waiver with the hard headed denial and obstinance on how muzzle velocity affects optimal ballistic performance and why there is even such a thing as duty ammo, except this time you’ve slightly modified the same old lame apples and oranges comparison with the term “moderate loads” to support you’re low information opinion about the 357 Sig and it’s performance capability. That’s completely understandable since apparently in your world, ammunition designed to perform well in FBI standard protocol ballistic gel testing and balances other performance aspects such as unnecessarily excessive recoil is insignificant.

            As I explained previously, any hot 357 mag load produced today by the major ammo companies is better suited for hunting applications. The muzzle velocities you’re obsessed with would fail FBI standard protocol ballistic gel testing that was the gold standard 30 years ago and remains so today as the reliable method to identify ammunition suitable for duty loads, and super hot 357 mag ammo produced by niche market ammo companies even more so.

            But you’re not alone, a certain percentage of gun enthusiast such as you self rely on info from marketing sources relying on hype to sell ammo, and have zero incentive to acknowledge the reasons why hot or super hot doesn’t mean better, or why anyone actually interested in the most effective and practical ammunition in a handgun carried by LE or civilians for self defense.

            If it makes you feel safer carrying ridiculously hot 357 mag loads carried for self defense, good luck. But if such the hotter the better idiocy is the logic you choose to apply, why limit yourself to 357 mag over-penetrating and heavy recoil ammunition, why not go big or go home with 454 Casull or even 500 S&W?

          • Darkpr0

            Because I own a Smith and Wesson 19, trust it with my life, and it eats 38Sp/357Mag. I can shoot it all day with no fatigue (and frequently do), accurately, and under stress. I could move up to a Casull or a 500, but the fact is that the ammo is not widely available here, and 357 Mag does a pretty good job both for human defense and bear defense in a carryable package. There’s ten billion other options as well in all flavours, but if I bought a new gun every time someone on the internet disagreed with my choices I’d be in the poor house 🙂

          • Ted Unlis

            LOL! So you have S&W Model 19 that you “can shoot it all day with no fatigue (and frequently do), accurately, and under stress” that doubles as your go to for “bear defense”, Let me guess, you’ve put thousands of rounds down range including hundreds of your preferred 1500 fps hot and 1700 fps super hot loads from this mystical and magical 4″ revolver.

            Sure would like to see video just so I can get an idea what it’s like to shoot +P and +P+ bear loads “all day with no fatigue”, a feat even Jerry Miculek would be envious of, no telling what kind of offer he might make for the sturdiest and most durable Model 19 in the universe.

            WHAT A CROCK OF $#IT!

            I stand corrected Darkpr0, you’re not a hard headed obstinate misinformed gun enthusiast because that would require actual experience with a firearm. No Darkpr0, you finally slipped up and betrayed yourself as a virtual shooter relying on a virtual knowledge of virtual firearms to form a virtual opinion based on virtual experience, like firing virtual 357 magnum hot and super hot ammunition in a virtual Model 19 with the virtual ability to virtually shoot with virtual frequency all day long under stress with no fatigue, and of course, with virtual accuracy. Too funny!

          • Darkpr0

            Close mate, it’s a 6″ Target model, but thanks for playing. And, yes, I do like hot magnum rounds. They’re loud, blasty, and wild. A nice pair of palm gloves goes a long way to fixing the recoil problem, I think mine cost me about $35 at my local sporting goods store. And feel free to throw more accusations at me, I’m pretty comfy with where I’m at in the gun world. Being aggressive is fun, much like using a revolver with magnum rounds. And fun keeps people happy, we wouldn’t want people being mad on the internet! 🙂

          • Ted Unlis

            Don’t know what the term is there in Australia Darkpr0, but here in Texas you’re in the category commonly referred to as a “piss ignorant kid”.

          • Darkpr0

            That’s funny, both here in Arizona and back home in Canada I am usually referred to as a gun collector, but your argumentum ad hominem is much appreciated.

    • Don Ward

      As others have mentioned, quite a bit.

    • Ted Unlis

      357 Sig is basically a 40 S&W case necked down to accept a .355 diameter (9mm) bullet. Even though the bullet diameter is .355 and not .357, Sig Sauer chose 357 Sig to emphasize that the round equaled 357 Magnum performance with 125gr ammunition fired from 4 inch barrel in a revolver or 4.4 inch barrel in a semi auto. A more accurate name for the round would be 9mm magnum, because that’s essentially what it is.

  • Darkpr0

    I’m still waiting for someone to go out and produce a 7.62x25mm Tokarev 1911 as a regular thing. Yeah, people have done 38 Super conversions, but come on, gun makers. Make my stupid dream come true. People often look at the TT33 and say “Well, it’s a clunky 1911” which a) isn’t entirely true and b) fine, make a nice 1911 in this powerful cartridge, and we’ll see how she runs 🙂

    • andrey kireev

      I think that would be nice, except there are only few companies that produce 7.62×25……and ones that do make it, are relatively expensive and cost about the same as .45ACP =(

      • Darkpr0

        I am a Canadian shooter, and we have a lot of Chinese surplus floating around. 7.62x54mmR, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x25mm for dirt cheap. Americans have it harder, but PPU and S&B make some very nice Tokarev loads. Besides, you don’t get the looks of fear from your neighbouring range buddies at the nuclear fireball coming out of your gun if you’re only shooting 45 🙂

        • andrey kireev

          But that the whole point !
          You should see the Nuclear Fireballs my AMD-65 makes lol

      • Dracon1201

        Even if the prices are the same, the 7.62×25 has such better ballistics, I’d rather sink money into that. Especially if they make the 1911 stout enough to take the S&B loads (Hotter for subguns)

  • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

    10mm or GTFO.

  • Sulaco

    At least around my neck of the woods the .357 Sig is a non starter for cillyvillians and police. Maybe 1 out of 200 customers ask about it, going the way of the .45 GAP IMHO.

  • Ted Unlis

    Gossip and misinformation about the mighty little 357 Sig abound. From the comments I can see that most possess little or no facts when it comes to the 357 Sig, just what they’ve read on a blog or heard from the small arms & munitions expert working at the Gander Mountain gun counter or local pawn shop.

    I’ve noticed some in this forum opining about a 1911 in 10mm, obviously unaware that we’ve already been there done that starting with the Colt Delta Elite nearly 30 years ago.

    The reason few manufacturers or custom builders care to build a 10mm 1911 today is because the potent 10mm round takes a toll on even high quality 1911’s causing components to deteriorate and break at a higher than normal rate as the round count increases. The Glock 20 has proven it’s built to withstand the 10mm and when topped with a high quality red dot is hard to beat for a potent yet light hunting pistol.

    Excessive wear and tear from a hot round is also the reason that until this new Sig Sauer 1911 TACOPS in 357 Sig, there’s no one still building a 1911 platform pistol in 357 Sig. Even though less potent than 10mm, 357 Sig ammo is still significantly hot and noticeably harder on 1911 components compared to 45, 40, or 38 Super ammo. The reason S&W stopped producing the M&P 357 is because the pistols broke at a much higher rates than the M&P 9 or M&P 40.

    I can’t believe Sig took this long to actually deliver a 1911 in their namesake 357 Sig cartridge to the market, and hopefully they’ve beefed up the pistol enough in key areas to hold up long term to the hot little round, they did it with the P226, P229, and P239 so it’s likely they can pull it off with the TACOPS 1911 in 357 Sig as well. Time will tell.

    I want a TACOPS 1911 that sends a Speer Gold Dot 357 Sig 125 gr HP round at 1350+ fps and delivers 500+ ft lbs of energy, hell I need one, but I’ll have to wait for the street price to drop down between $850 and $1000 just like it has has with 45 TACOPS bargains offered occasionally over the last year or two.

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  • OldOldLawyer

    MY 400 Corbon shoots the factory 165 grain loads to 1,361 fps which is about 650 fpe. The 400 Corbon just requires a replacement barrel and stronger spring in a 1911. Just run a 45 acp case thru the die and walla, a 400 Corbon case. Don’t know why it did not catch on as a dozen companies offered conversion barrels for Glocks, Rugers, and 1911s. That being said, it approaches he 10mm and is probably just too much recoil that most people can handle…FWIW (the 400 is just 45 acp necked to 40)

  • OldOldLawyer

    One thing I have not heard mentioned is the benefit of the bottle neck case. I own several 1911s in 38 super, 45 acp and 400 Corbon and never recall a jam of any type. However, I have owned brand name 1911s in 45 acp that simply were not reliable with some hollow point ammo. I carried 1911s in 45 acp for military, local and federal law enforcement and it was a big deal when that large hollowpoint stops the gun at the feed ramp. That is not a problem with bottle neck cases like the 357 Sig and 400 Corbon. I would carry a 1911 357 Sig in law enforcement and never have a concern at all…it is superior to my 38 Super which I like a lot…….FWIW

    • Ted Unlis

      You’re exactly right Counselor, when our large (3500+) LE agency transitioned to the Sig P226 in 357 Sig during the 90’s, one of the big positives with the 357 Sig was a dramatic reduction in various malfunctions, which we immediately noticed with training academy recruits, the necked cartridge fed much more reliably than even the previously issued and reliable P226 in 9mm or 45 ACP.

      The most significant reduction was stove pipe malfunctions which became practically non existent with the Sig 226 in 357 Sig since the round is sufficiently hot to make a stove pipe caused by an unlocked wrist virtually impossible, even FA Instructors limp wristing the 226 to for demonstration purposes couldn’t intentionally induce a stove pipe with the 357 Sig.

      Another significant statistic we noticed was that the survival rate of suspects sustaining 357 Sig gunshot was the same as it was when we all carried a 357 Mag revolver, the suspect usually didn’t survive.

      During the 6 or 7 years officers in my agency carried their choice of a P226 in 9mm or 45 ACP (over 80% chose the 45), the percentage of suspects who survived officer involved shootings increased and usually could be traced to bullet performance, sometimes the 45’s and 9’s penetrated and expanded sufficiently, sometime they didn’t.

      The 357 Sig consistently performed just as advertised, with 357 mag like penetration and expansion that usually proved lethal.

      • Ted Unlis

        Correction to above, prior to issuing the 357 Sig in P226 my agency had of of choice of a P226 in 9mm or or P220 in 45 ACP