This photo was posted in the FNForum.net SCAR17S section which came from Team FNH USA Facebook page.

 

We received the below feedback from one of America’s finest serving overseas right now. The below account is unedited and we share it with you because we’re so proud of our FNH USA products and the work America’s service members do with them!

“The following scar 17 was used in a very intense battle that lasted a lot longer than the typical TIC or troops in contact situation that are usually short in duration.
Multiple enemy combatants as well as US and coalition forces were both KIA or wounded in action. Close air support was heavily involved as well.
The rifle was put through one of the worst scenarios in this country probably ever. These pictures are not staged or photoshopped in any way. This picture was taken immediately upon the team returning to base.
The rifle did not malfunction once! Not one failure of any type.
I feel that this event as small as it is in the big picture needed to be documented and reported to you guys to forward to higher ups if necessary so that you as friends of mine and they were aware of how reliable and incredible this rifle is. I do not have an exact round count but it was at least eight fully loaded magazines. Half of those were used after the rifle decided to see how small of a ball it could actually curl into while taking cover in a muddy shit hole.”

 



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  • Paul Hausser

    Big woop- AKs have been functioning extremely well in these types of adverse enviroments for almost 70 years.

    • TheSmellofNapalm

      Good luck hitting anything past 200 yards.

      • Joshua

        Not to mention the bullet drop compensation needed past 200M.

        • Giolli Joker

          With 5.45×39?

          • Joshua

            Very few 74s and very few 5.54 ammo in Afghanistan.

          • Esh325

            And your point is?

          • Joshua

            Well in Afghanistan it is better to use the 47 since it is 99% of the AKs in use.

          • Esh325

            What they use there doesn’t negate the fact that the Ak74 is the latest incarnation and in wise spread use in other places besides Afghanistan.

          • Chameleon

            LMAO! You need to keep up on current events.

          • Esh325

            What am I wrong about ?

          • Giolli Joker

            The previous comments didn’t seem to be that much circumstantiated, but more a general discussion of AK performance in hostile environments.

        • Esh325

          You adjust your sights, but the steep trajectory is why they issue the ak74 now

        • iksnilol

          Zero for 300 meters and aim at belt buckle/crotch. Gets you to 300 meters no problem.

      • Esh325

        I have hit man sized targets to 400m with an Ak and there are plenty of videos on YouTube showing it

        • Joshua

          In combat you haven’t. Accuracy degrades by generally 80% in combat.

          • iksnilol

            If you can’t hit at 300 meters with an AK while stressed out you need to work on your fundamentals. It’s a 3 MOA rifle, it isn’t a videogame shotgun.

          • Joshua

            I take it you have never actually been to war or had someone shooting at you right?

            I can do a lot stressed. I can do a whole hell of a lot less when I’m being shot at by RPKS, AKs, RPGs, and dragunovs.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, I’ve never been shot at or killed someone. Though most of the people I know and grew up with did. And I have seen the areas and they weren’t lying about the distances.

          • Esh325

            I haven’t. Have you ? I’m sure it’s entirely possible, but I imagine it’s easier with a m4 or ak74? The trajectory of the 762 is one of the reason why most serviceman in the Russian military are armed with ak74s now

          • Capt. Obvious

            And the round bounced of the said man-sized target at 400m….

          • Joshua

            Well that’s just dumb. Are you trying to imply there is no loss of accuracy by someone engaged in a firefight?

      • Southpaw89

        I seem to recall that the justification for switching from full to moderately powered rounds was that most engagements did not go beyond 2-300m, while giving the benefit of reduced recoil.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Sounds almost staged but, hey, if a gun just saved your life you might feel like talking about it.
    Who carries these?

    • CommonSense23

      White side SOF. Seals, SF, MARSOC. The SMUs don’t use them, stick with HKs. And they are losing a lot of popularity in the units that are using them. MARSOC has been quietly sending theirs to NSW, SF is looking at the new M110 heavily, and Seals still aren’t allowed to complain about theirs.

      • Joshua

        The K1 upgrade kits for the M110 are quickly replacing the MK17 in numerous units.

        I know MARSOC is working on fleeting the K1.

        • Rusty Shackleford

          Wow, the M110K1 is $5000+ per rifle for an LR308 clone?Then again, if I had access to the black bag budget, I’d probably keep switching platforms to help justify an increase in yearly budget too.

        • Uniform223

          Is the US Army (or military in general) still holding a “Carbine DMR” competition or was it just quietly switched over to the K1 kits?

      • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

        what are the complaintss they have ??

        • CommonSense23

          Heavy, lots of reliability/quality control problems early on the with 17(which FN was extremely aggressive in trying to solve), not that accurate of a platform compared to a AR, and reciprocating charging handle. And just in general getting outperformed by a lot of AR10s on the market. The 20 is still a abortion of a rifle though that took two great rifles out of the armory, the MK11 and 12. NSW actually put out a notice that said stop asking to replace the rifle, it wasn’t going to happen.

          • MANG

            Links / citations? Otherwise, same problem as the FN blurb.

          • Esh325

            You aren’t going to get any citations or links

          • CommonSense23

            Well unless you got a SIPR account really can’t help.Have to take it or leave it. But does it honestly make sense that if the SCAR design was superior to the AR, why the SMUs didn’t switch over. Why the Ranger Batts did replace their M4s/MK18s with the MK16s and swapped back.

          • Esh325

            SIPR lol you’re full of it man

          • Joshua

            He’s right. Look we get it, you want documents that are generally classified and not being from America, nor having the clearance to see them you never will.

          • Esh325

            People that actually have that information have better things to do.

          • Joshua

            You’d be surprised. You don’t have the experience to actually understand just how much down time there is in the Military.

          • Esh325

            People that talk too much about sensitive have their careers ended or they end up in jail. I don’t think some internet gun forum would be worth risking that for somebody has that information. I’m not really surprised considering my low ranked U.S. navy friend talks to me almost every day

          • Joshua

            You’d still be surprised the information on firearms that gets shared on gun forums. A lot of it true, a lot false.

            They would hunt us down if we downloaded and released a bunch of documents. However they didn’t do anything to the pilot who leaked the F-35 documents and they were not in any way supposed to be on the internet for the world to see.

            And if your in America you can use the FOIA to get a ton of documents(redacted of course) that are otherwise unavailable.

          • Esh325

            I’d rather crack a book than read a gun forum for real information. There have been many though that have been punished or prosecuted.

          • Joshua

            Shame really. If you know where to look, and who to look to there is a lot of information about the state of modern firearms in use by the US military and other countries that often cannot be found outside of said government documents.

          • Dan

            Then why come here at all? Seems like everytime you show up, you pop off at the mouth with your superior intellect. No one cares. I don’t care what happens with this rifle or who hates it or if anyone actually has information to back up their claims. I don’t read the comments section then run out and tell the guys at the range. Hey I just heard MARSOC is swapping for Mosins yea guy on TFB said he had intell on it. If people want to know it all let them. If you’re one of the people that believe it without researching it you deserve to look stupid. And if you show up just to call someone a liar without proof he is infact lying then you look like a douche.

          • Esh325

            And if you are so confident you wouldn’t get caught and that its common place to share information like this then why don’t you share it?

          • Joshua

            I don’t have anything to add, common seemed to have it covered. No one is going to download sensitive documents and publish them online. It’s a death sentence, however people do share information of firearms that are issued.

            See the technical hard evidence may be kept under lock and key if you will, but personal experiences often garnered outside of those documents are kind of a grey area since its personal observation and not documented.

            If you get what I’m trying to say here.

            Everyone like actual documents, but for being someone from outside of the US you sure do ask for a lot of our sensitive documents to be handed to you to verify.

          • nova3930

            Not all the info on SIPR is classified, but they’d still throw you under GITMO if you jumped the air gap with anything, especially after Manning. So there’s info people will talk about, but they’re darn sure not going to transfer docs….

          • Kevin

            I transfer from SIPR to NIPR daily but I do not waste any of my time looking up failure reports on MK16s or MK17s either. Good MK44 and MK47 videos though

          • Joshua

            Hey the new guys still get forced to use the 5.56 conversions at times…always feel bad for them.

          • CommonSense23

            Really? Thought everyone but the SMUs were using the MK18Mod1s at this point.

          • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

            i didn’t know the 20 had replaced those guns, when did that happen ?

          • CommonSense23

            A while ago. For NSW at least 6 years.

          • Esh325

            I love how we have users on here that spout off a bunch of bold claims as fact when they have no sources to back it up and expected everybody to believe an anonymous person from the Internet.

          • Joshua

            Well its enough to search for the fact that MARSOC is moving to the M110K1, which means it is replacing the MK17.

            There’s even open source photos on Google.

          • Nicholas Chen

            Heavy really? The SCAR is one of the lightest semi auto 308 guns I have used. The only other one I can think of is the M&P10.

          • Nick

            It cannot be weight, as Mr. Chen observes and as I have found the SCAR 17S is astonishingly light for a .308. Also despite its thin barrel mine has been amazingly accurate as well. I admit mine has a Geissle trigger added, but certainly these are available to SOF as well. Complaints about the stock are plausible as it does seem flimsy though fine for the pampering the weapon receives in my use. Perhaps the reciprocating charging handle really does bother some military end users or there is some reliability problem that will not manifest itself in light civilian usage, but otherwise I cannot understand why SOCOM has apparently soured on this weapon.

          • NewMan

            And yet… there are SCAR 17s out there that been through hundred of thousands of rounds without any issues, hm….

            You only mention ‘early’ issues. But what about now? Are you saying that the SCAR 17 is having issues in the field and the users are looking to replace it?

          • CommonSense23

            The current MK17 is reliable. Still most of SOF is actively trying to replace it. NSW is hoping the MOD1s will alleviate most of the problems. Marsoc and SF has placed their hopes on the new M110.

          • NewMan

            Thank you for the response. I was a bit concern because I thought it was due to function/reliability issues. Good to see that that isn’t the case.

            Regarding the reciprocating charging handle, SOCOM asked/requested for it and that’s what they got. I wonder why they’re complaining about it, now.. Maybe FN will come out with a new model with a non-reciprocating charging handle?

          • FlashAndPoof

            Heavy??? What? How are the alternatives you listed any lighter???

  • derpmaster

    Why do they feel the need to come up with a completely uncorroborated story to go along with the pic? Without any facts, “one of the worst scenarios in this country probably ever” is meaningless.

  • BixNoos

    What did they do to the scar precious? THEY RUINS IT!!!!

    • Nicholas Chen

      ROFL!!!

    • Slovko

      LOL I snarfed my skittles on that one!

  • Don Ward

    Effing pigeons…

    • milesfortis

      An uncle used to say “They sing for some people.”

  • Joshua

    8 magazines and he calls it one of the heaviest TICs in country…I’ve seen plenty of AARs and been in plenty of other scenarios where 5x as many magazines were expended.

    I think the highest expended magazine count for one weapon I have heard of was 49 M4 magazines at one time.

  • iksnilol

    That’s some OG operator camo.

  • patrickiv

    That camo is hella effective against the gravel.

  • Ed

    Plastic junk stay with a M-14 EBR or a M-110. AT least you get replacement mags easier!

  • USMC03Vet

    Look like someone tried to paper mache it into a pinata and just just gave up.

  • Chase Buchanan

    Oh come on, the second one wouldn’t be that bad.

  • sliversimpson

    Good to know – a SCAR can go through 8 mags, consecutively, without a malfunction.

    That’s a lot better that my experience with the FS2000.

  • CommonSense23

    If the Scar was truly better than a AR, why didn’t the SMUs switch to them. Why did the Rangers switch back to the M4 after adopting it. They had the funding. Socom makes mistakes when it comes to weapons procurement sometimes.

  • spydersniper

    Need to copy this new camo pattern ( bear shutzen the woods)! It sure beats out coyote tan.

  • jim

    Should have blue taped it before painting the wall

  • anomad101

    My god!!! They have been slimed!!

  • Blake

    Except for it definitely was a huge issue in the beginning. FN went on a massive campaign to try to fix the issues, but trying to say that reliability was never an issue with the SCAR platform is just flatout objectively incorrect.