Bundeswehr Set To Procure G36 Replacement, WeaponsMan Tells Us Where Things Stand

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Deutschsprachiger Hognose, author of the excellent blog at WeaponsMan.com and who has been following the unfolding G36 controversy closely, recently wrote an excellent “roundup” article on the situation of the German infantry rifle as it now stands. The Defense Ministry just last week released a Prior Information Notice for modern infantry rifles, a precursor to a tender, and Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen announced back in April that the G36 “had no future with the Bundeswehr”. This implies that the G36 will be replaced by some as-yet undetermined rifle “as soon as possible”. On that subject, Hognose wrote:

The G36 is the standard service rifle of the German Armed Forces, as it has been for about 20 years. But the Bundeswehr has announced that it’s now on the way out, and a solicitation for replacements is out — to all European manufacturers, not just German ones.

End of Life: Always controversial, the G36 is scheduled to be replaced by a new rifle, to be selected in a process that will probably be just as spectacularly controversial.

Early this morning, commenter “Tobse” flagged us to this article in the FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, one of Germany’s most-circulated newspapers), noting that the decision to replace the G36 had been made. Here’s our translation of the first grafs of FAZ political correspondent, Johannes Leithäuser’s, article, The G36 Assault Rifle is being Mustered Out:

“Defense minister Ursula von der Leyen made it known back in March that scientific tests of the G 36 had revealed an accuracy problem at high temperatures. A month later, the Minister announced that the standard troop rifle had ” no future in its current form” in the Bundeswehr

“While the Ministry set up and tasked numerous commissions with the questions of: whether soldiers had been injured or killed in action because of faulty weapons; whether the manufacturing firm Heckler & Koch had too tight connections to the Ordnance Department of the Ministry; and whether the Ministry took too long to react to reports of the deficiencies — while, then, a great deal of attention was focused on working out questions about the past — the military leadership was working on a solicitation for a new weapon.”

You may read the article in German here or a dread Google robotranslation here.

The key points of the article are drawn from this solicitation. They are:

  1. The BW won’t really get the new rifle until the 2020s.
  2. The solicitation is Europe-wide. Sorry ’bout that, Colt, LMT, etc. (Also, sorry ’bout that, HK. You’re going to have to compete with everybody, including those Polish rifles we saw this morning).
  3. The solicitation seems biased towards current production, COTS rifles, as the Ministry feels that only with such a head start can they hope to make a 2019 fielding of test units and 2020s for quantity production.
  4. In the light of the problems with the G36, there are specific environmental requirements for the new rifle’s accuracy (including in automatic fire) and its polymer parts.
  5. The various German (i.e., HK) and foreign weapons used as controls in the tests that exposed the G36 overheating problems were all better than the G36 at that, and sometimes at something else, but they all had disadvantages relative to the G36, such that none of them seems superior all-round.

I highly recommend our readers click through and read the whole thing.

We have covered the G36 controversy extensively, beginning as things began to heat up, the release of a damning report by the Ernst Mach Institute, H&K’s defense, the German Defense Minister’s condemnation of the rifle, the cover-up scandal, to Lithuania’s withdrawal from G36 procurement. We even tested a G36 for ourselves, to see if we could replicate the accuracy issues.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Giolli Joker

    Well.
    It’s getting interesting.

    • hikerguy

      It will probably be awarded to the one we least think will get it.

  • CJS3

    Maybe Concern Kalashnikov will enter the AK 12 in 5.56. That would be hilarious.

    • Gjert Klakeg Mulen

      Or the AK 101, I would laugh my ass off if that would get selected.

      • bsnighteye

        No way. AK-101 is worse base platform for standart NATO equipment than AK-12. AK-101 is definetely out of competition.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      When did Russia become part of the Europe?

      • Tom

        Well that depends how you define Europe? If you define it as west of the Urals then Russia is in Europe, historically Russia has always been seen as a European country (as was Turkey) whilst most of its landmass is in Asia ethnically, linguistically and culturally the Russians are a European people.

        Of course if you use a more political measure then Russia is not in Europe. I suspect this is the definition most people use.

        Of course its all a little academic since Europe is not really a continent in its own right anyway.

        • MichaelZWilliamson

          That depends on whether or not you define continent via tectonic and oceanic boundaries, or only by oceanic and geographic boundaries…

      • Zebra Dun

        The Rus are originally a Viking tribe aren’t they?

        • Kivaari

          The Rus (roose-like moose) were Swedish. The name originated in Sweden, one of the biggest imperial nations, until 200 years ago. Don’t think they were neutral in WW2, as they aided Germany with materials and access from Norway to Finland.

          • Iggy

            The Swedes also sold materials to the Allies as well though, in fact there was a rather fun British ‘mission’ involving a mosquito bomber modified to take a passenger as an impromptu ‘airliner’ which was used to fly a representative to Sweden in order to negotiate to buy their entire ball-bearing production in order to sabotage German industry.

          • The Brigadier

            Sorry, but they came from Ice Land after one of their seventeen or so volcanoes rendered that nation unlivable for about 40 years.

          • Kivaari

            Icelanders came from Scandinavia, before they returned home. Norway, Sweden, Finland and most of Europe and western Russia were under Swedish control. Official languages in Finland are Swedish and Finn. Finnish is similar to Turkish thanks party to the roaming Swedes. Circa 1800 Sweden adopted a confined kingdom.

          • The Brigadier

            I don’t care where they originally came from, but thanks for the info. I was Ice Landers who had to leave Ice Land and they reached an accord with the Rus and interbred with them. It was a fairly peaceful collaboration if the limited histories can be trusted.

          • Zebra Dun

            A tough bunch of Bubba’s for sure.

        • The Brigadier

          Yes specifically Ice Landers.

      • iksnilol

        Russia has always been a part of Europe. At least the Western part has been.

        • Kivaari

          Ask those real Asian looking Siberians and Golds.

          • iksnilol

            They’re in the Asian part.

          • Kivaari

            In a nation that spans 14 time zones, or it did during the Soviet era, chances are there will be quite a bit of racial and cultural differences. Russians pretty much always ruled by western-like or western wannabes, think of themselves as Europeans.
            It has to irritate the millions of Asians and SW Asians that speak
            other-than-Russian-as-a-first-language. A past friend spent a month in one of the “Stans”, where the US Embassy in Moscow sent down an interpreter. Of course the embassy man couldn’t speak the local language. Training soldiers without footwear gives a huge indication of the overall quality of people to work with. The national army had some good leaders, but like Iraq and Afghanistan, there are huge cultural and educational variances.

          • The Brigadier

            Yeah west of the Ural Mountains right in the middle of their nation.

          • iksnilol

            West of the Ural mountains is the European part. At least according my maps.

          • The Brigadier

            Most of them are Chinese. There are more illegal Chinese in Siberia than illegal Mexicans in America. We now have 30 million illegal Mexicanos here.

      • Toms

        It’s not anymore european than Turkey, Russian’s are actually Ukrainians who have a multitude of other cultures/races salted into the mix post Kiev Ska Rus which founded Russia/Belorussia/Ukraine so to speak. The cultural origins go back to a slavic/norse/skythian/ruthenian/Aryan ancestry.

    • Marco

      When they say European they mean EU. So no, not Russia

    • Esh325

      I don’t think any western aligned nation would ever buy Russian equipment, especially now with political tensions. I’m not sure if they mean EU nations only. And besides the AK12 is not even technically a completed design.

    • lowell houser

      Yes. Yes it would.

  • Strange that the solicitation is only limited to European outfits. Colt Canada and a slew of US companies have very viable products.

    • Zebra Dun

      That would give an interested group the ability to cut off arms and spare parts to European Nations that would be dependent on them in any war should the interested group not approve of the war and attempt to impose peace or a loss of the war through actual blockade, not to mention public interference in the companies at the street level through protest.
      See Israeli vs Arab wars for example and reference to events postulated.

      • Frank

        contracts like this would be for design, blueprints, and royalties. A german company will manufacture the guns no matter what.

        • Zebra Dun

          As it should be, the German’s are efficient and building it in Germany would benefit the German people and economy greatly.

          • Vitor Roma

            Greatly? Making a rifle wouldnt account for 0.01% of Germany GDP

          • The Brigadier

            No, but from a PR standpoint everyone likes to tout their own rifle.

    • Marc

      EU-wide tenders are standard practice. I’m sure non-European countries could participate as long as they get a European partner company, as with US defense tenders.

    • Ripley

      NSA bugging Merkel could have a part of it?

    • Kivaari

      They would be smart to buy M4 variants.

    • Bungameng

      They can’t make it German-only tender under EU law. Otherwise I’m sure they would keep it domestic.

  • Riot

    I said the poles and croats were possibilities to be in the competition.
    Now they are a little bit more likely but FN is a strong contender.

    • BS

      Polish FB Radom will not even try to start. They do not have enough manufacturing capacity.

      • Tom

        A big order could well see them ramp up capacity, its not like Poland is a non industrialised nation. Alternatively they could partner with another company to ether make it under license or sub contract parts.

        • BS

          Guess why they decided not to take part in French assault rifle tender. Plus, the msbs is still not in production phase.

          • Tom

            Was not aware of that – did not realise that there had been any submissions to the French trials as yet or that Randon had declined.

          • BS

            In June 2014 FB Radom and Mesko submitted MSBS for the first phase of French program. In February 2015, French DGA agency announced that 5 companies were appointed to the next phase – FB Radom was none of it – competitors are HK, FN, SIG, Beretta and HS Produkt.

  • dshield55

    Are you guys still going to do the G36 100/200 yard tests? I just saw your G36 test for the first time. I feel a little bit more confident that it may be a fabricated issue but there were a couple things I wasn’t impressed with. I’m not convinced 4 mag dumps was not enough to replicate the heat issue, although 4 mags was alleged to be able to cause the problem. I’d expect 6-8 mag dumps in order to be satisfied the trunnion was heated up and softened enough to cause the alleged shifting in the soft polymer receiver, if it can happen at all.

    • dshield55

      And one other issue was using the G36K instead of a rifle length barrel. The theory is that the barrel/trunnion are shifting when the polymer heats up and loses strength. The weight and distance of the extra few inches of barrel could leverage out enough extra of a moment of force to cause the problem where the 10″ G36K barrel may not do that.

      • Thomas Weißhuhn

        The thing with the G36K might have something to do with the units who use them.
        A guy who has been a Feldjäger (our military police) told me that he fired several thousand rounds with his G36K in preparation for his service in Afghanistan.

      • The Brigadier

        Perhaps a strong and thicker trunnion is called for if its being impacted by a longer barrel.

    • I don’t think the issue is fabricated. I think the G36 Alex tested probably had a proper polyamide (nylon) receiver which shouldn’t suffer from the heat as badly, but which may still have humidity issues (which we didn’t test).

      For this issue to be fabricated, the Ernst Mach Institute would have to be in on it, which I think is highly unlikely.

    • Weaver

      I’ve shot the g36 at an army shoot with a German unit in the USA. We shot them on full auto with multiple mags. Now it wasn’t scientific but none of us noticed any shift in impact. Hit everything I aimed it at without any problems. I would like to see the test expanded uponed and the results be posted on YouTube. I’m tired of people repeating what they read online with no experience with the weapon. Let’s have a definitive test of this!

  • DW

    I’d be very sour for HK if they adopt FN (their main rival and the one who denied them license to make the FAL/G1 back in the 50s). They really should anschluss Austria again and get the AUG /trolling

    • Ripley

      I’d love to see a major adoption of FN2000, and to see how it works in a hot firefight, but SCAR is fine too. H&K have become uninventive and boring and have it coming.

      • John

        Look at the revolution in Libya and fighting in Syria to see the F2000 in combat.

    • FWIW: The Steyr AUG was the only other rifle that the Bundeswehr tested before adopting the HK50 as the G36.

  • Esh325

    I think they are making a mistake by having such a long drawn out process. They should just choose the HK416a5. It’s already in use with their military and it seems well liked by the people who use them, and it doesn’t appear to have any serious short comings.

    • The 416 is very expensive and there is considerable pressure to not buy from HK again.

      • Esh325

        Choosing the hk416 would be more expensive than having a trial that will go on for several years?

        • Unless that trial costs $170 million or so, then yes, it could be.

      • Weaver

        I think a large order would definitely reduce the price. Plus there’s no r&d money going into it or money to have the weapons put through their paces. The hk416 has already passed those test through sof unit selections and testing.

  • Abram

    The odds of Germany fielding a non-indigenous infantry rifle is about zero, I reckon. Germany is synonymous with small arms design and development, and have been since long before Paul Mauser. Walther – no existing rifle design to speak of in this context. H&K, still the most likely, in my opinion, despite the drama and technical problems. If the Bundeswehr reaches beyond it’s borders for it’s next rifle, perhaps Sig or Steyr have a shot at winning the contract.

    • Green Hell

      G3 was basicly a Spanish CETME design and before MP5 came out Germans used Uzi (MP2) as their main SMG. Not so long ago they adopted an expensive piston AR-10 (G28) as their DMR and their expensive piston AR-15 also already got a designation (G38), which probably means it’s gonna be the gun to replace G36.

      • pbla4024

        CETME was improvement of German StG-45 executed by German engineer in Spain.

  • borekfk

    Maybe HK or Mauser will bring back the Stg-44.

    • Anonymoose

      Needs moar G3.

    • Iggy

      About the only thing the Stg-44 has going for it is that it was the first assault rifle to get widespread adoption, beyond that it’s actually way to flimsy.

      (and yes I get the post is facetious)

    • Kivaari

      It may have led the way but had horrible design defects. No heat shields and even sling points on the wrong side. A really, well almost pioneering cartridge, that has worse ballistics than the 7.62×39.

      • Tom

        I think most of the deficiencies of the STG44 were due to the circumstances of its construction. Had it been given more time and better quality materials it would of done better. Of course we can do much better now.

  • Joshua

    I wish it wasn’t EU wide. Would love to see LMT toss their hat in and sweep up the competition. So far they’ve beat H&K in every foreign competition.

    • dshield55

      Mostly because of price. The sky high extra cost of the HK416 for example just doesnt come with a cost/benefit tradeoff. The extra value just isn’t there.

      • Joshua

        Or it could just be a better rifle. The HK416 is good, but LMT offers the best BCG on the market and one of the most accurate barrels there are.

        It’s not a price thing, its the simple fact that LMT makes top tier parts. Their E-BCG not only is an amazing bolt carrier designed for 10-14.5″ Carbine guns, but the bolt is rated for 80,000 rounds in a 14.5″ Carbine and I have never seen one break.

    • n0truscotsman

      I was thinking the same thing. They’re losing two excellent contenders, both Colt Canada and LMT, by not including ‘outside europe’ COTS options.

      If Britain and France were smart, they would have ditched their junk to buy LMTs a long time ago (they probably would if they had more money). Maybe NZ will start a trend.

  • john huscio

    Brugger & thomet

    • hikerguy

      They do make the “Advanced Police Carbine that looks the part.

  • Patrick M.

    “and a solicitation for replacements is out — to all European manufacturers”

    Why just European?

    • dshield55

      The French did the same thing on their recent tender for FAMAS replacements. The manufacturer had to be in Europe and have sales of $XXX million dollars per year.

  • Lance

    Face its Germany it be a H&K rifle I bet you since G-36 may be out. If it is I bet the H&K 416 will be the new rifle. Since they bought a few 417s for DMRs the 416 will be logical for regular grunts.

  • Tom

    So assuming its 5.56mm COTS system then potentially that gives us;

    1) Berretta ARX 160
    2) CZ 805 BREN
    3) FN SCAR / FN Advanced Carbine (lighter than the SCAR with bayonet lug and non reciprocating charging handle).
    4) FN 2000
    5) HK 416
    6) HS Produkt VHS
    7) Randon MSBS
    8) SIG 550 series
    9) SIG 516
    10) Steyr AUG

    My money is on them going for conventional layout so that eliminates the AUG, FN2000, and VHS right away. I would speculate it will come down to the HK416 vs the FN SCAR/ FNAC

    • PaulG

      Jesus Christ I hope not the ARX-160. Every single article I have read about the thing makes it sound worse than the G-36.

      • dshield55

        The funny thing is that if the G36 issue is real, it should affect the Berretta ARX-160 (and the Tavor) for the exact same reasons since they all have metal trunnions sealed into polymer receivers.

        • Bullphrog855

          Not exactly, the Tavor sights are mounted to the barrel. If the barrel shifts, the sights shift with it keeping it zero.

          The G-36 sights are mounted to the frame. I don’t know about the ARX-160

          • Vitor Roma

            The ARX has some weird things but reliability is considered quite good.

          • dshield55

            Are you sure? I’m having trouble conceptualizing that. My understanding is that the barrel on a Tavor is also free floated… and since the sights, whether they’re the popups or an optic attached to the picatinny rail, I’m still visuallizing a trunnion being metallically seperated from the sights on a Tavor as well.

        • Weaver

          Not true for the tavor since its barrel is in a aluminum block. Look at the tavor armorers manual. The 160 has a ceramic heat shield around the trunnion. Small arm defense journal did a good write up on that rifle. And they mention this improvement in one of their two articles on the rifle. The g36 could be fixed with this heat shield and aluminum pict rail

          • Phil Hsueh

            Or just using the correct polymer, of course that would require pretty much completely rebuilding the rifles so a heat shield would probably be better and cheaper(?) interim solution.

    • I half expect FN to again deny production rights to the German gov’t, which would probably knock the SCAR out of the race.

      The MSBS is a real dark horse; it’s an excellent rifle and the Poles may just let the Germans license-produce them (but maybe not)

      • Yallan

        Aren’t the Poles still sore about WW2 though? It would be a bitter pill to see your landmark indigenous rifle design wielded by the Germans and henceforth identified as a German rifle.

        • Tom

          There is still some resentment from Poles towards Germany, but its more about political point scoring than anything which actually effects day to day life.

        • That’s where I’m unsure. They might be, but I suspect you’d have to ask them.

          • The Brigadier

            After the horrors of the Soviets, the Germans and the Poles now have a common enemy in Vlad the Bad. Its amazing how Putin is such a unifier.

    • Red Leg

      I personally would like to see the cz 805 Bren get the nod. Then maybe, just maybe, we could get a more affordable version of it in the states. Cz is already on the production line hammering out thousands for Egypt, Mexico, and their own usage. They could easily do the same for the bundeswehr and drive them right over the border into waiting arms.

    • mig1nc

      According to The Firearm Blog the Swiss/German family branch from Sig is also offering the MCX in the French rifle trials since they are from the EU. I’d love to see that rifle fielded there. But otherwise I really like the MSBS from that list.

  • Alex D.

    Im still gonna call Political BS. Someone got bribed to badmouth the G36, most likely, in an attempt to sell rifles to the Bundeswehr. Hell this might even be HK itself trying to push the 416/417 rifles.

    So far the only evidence regarding the G36 accuracy problem I have seen, is in fact evidence of the contrary. If there is any clear and decisive evidence (not reports) that *does* support the G36 accuracy issue, TFB would do well to post all they can find in a follow-up article.

    • Like I said above, for this to be a conspiracy against HK, the EMI would have to be in on it. Much easier for me to believe HK was just defrauding the MoD.

      • Alex D.

        Not so much a conspiracy against HK, per se, but one for the purpose of forcing the BW to spend money on some other manufacturer/rifle. Just some guys thinking they should have a piece of that pie, so they paid a few shills to spread BS about the G36.

        Testing on video hasn’t shown any problems. My SL8 doesnt seem to have any problems either.

        If it’s not a conspiracy (and I’m not all that tinfoil hat to begin with), it’s just incompetence in the sense that one dumb rumor or even joke was taken far too seriously. This happens a lot in the firearms industry, but then again, so do shady contracts.

        The point I want to make before anything else, though, is in defence of the G36/SL8 rifles moreso even than H&K. Regardless of H&K and other manufacturers that may or may not want some of das deutsches pie, I have yet to see any evidence of holding-zero/heat related problems, and I doubt I will. I havent even seen any German servicemen post anything substantial about it. So if it is out there, do show it please. Otherwise, this whole G36 distrust should stop. It’s just people regurgitating a load of BS. It’s the same level of stupidity as the whole 9mm vs .45 internet-debate.

        • Again, to claim that, you have to say the EMI is in on it, and that really is tinfoil hat speak.

          I’ve shot your G36, and no, we didn’t have issues. So far as I know, you also haven’t taken it over to the climate chamber and tested it at -54C and +53C

  • phale

    Still waiting for the G11 to make a glorious return.

    But seriously, I’d be interested in the CZ805 considering that it can have a lower receiver which takes G36 mags.

    • Colin s

      Not being able to disassemble the bolt would put a serious black mark against it.
      Just to troll a little, I’d like to see hk enter the SA80. We’ve already heard rumours the ’80 would get another update, including new upper and lower receiver’s, so…. 🙂

  • For a start, HK got control of the approval process.

    • Yallan

      Second Germany avoided combat in Afghanistan, and hasn’t seen any intense combat anywhere else. So the rifle was never tested in the field.

      The funny thing is the G36 polymer was touted as a super polymer with no equal. Turned out to be the exact opposite.

      • Iggy

        I think the thing that is confusing the issue is that different batches of guns seem to be made of different polymer’s so some work as advertised, whilst for other ones (or possibly only the Bundeswehr contract) HK cheaped out and used a crappier subspec polymer and that’s now come back to bite them.

        • Yallan

          Yeah must have been a bad polymer batch. But it must have been a pretty huge batch. Perhaps a better solution for Germany is to just test it’s rifles for poi shift. But they probably already did that and have found an unacceptable percentage of rifles had a poi shift.

          • Iggy

            Or they’re just pissed that HK stiffed them on the rifle contract and are making a stand.

      • The Brigadier

        Is there no other polymer that can resist the heat? If not, why not make the lower out of the new aluminum? A little bit heavier, but still light and very strong. They can also move the sling points to the other side. Germany must like to waste money or is there a valid issue with the cartridge they use?

      • superkraut2000

        i reckon guys from Seedorf will tell a different story…

  • Rich Guy

    CZ 805 Bren maybe? It can take G36 mags off the shelf.

    • John

      So can the Croatian VHS-2, one of the trial rifles being tested now by the French.

    • Bill

      That would be interesting as they’re right next door and certainly would be able to produce them along with their current orders.

      • Red Leg

        From what ive read it’s quite the reliable rifle. It doesn’t necessarily reinvent the wheel, but if it’s like other CZ products, I’m sure it’ll work like an anvil for years to come.

    • Kivaari

      AND Germany has experience of stealing rifles and tanks from the Czechs.

      • Tom

        Well those rifles were German designed, made on German made machinery, sold by Germans.

        Also calling it stealing seems to not quite do justice to the horrors occupied Europe experienced.

    • jcl

      Not off the shelf, they have different magazines so cz805 need different magwell to take G36 magazine, but cz805 magwell is easily interchangable though.

      • Bungameng

        Isn’t use of polymer extremely low on 805? I.e. nothing to melt under extended auto fire, unliked G36?

        • jcl

          Yes, only the lower receiver that include magwell and trigger unit are made of polymer, the rest of the gun is aluminum. But compared to XCR that entirely aluminum (3.5 kg) it still heavier considering the barrel is only 350 mm compared to XCR’s 400 mm barrel.

        • Phil Hsueh

          But that was all H&K’s fault for choosing to use an inferior polymer when manufacturing G36s for the BW instead of the proper specified polymer. It’s sort of like owning a high performance car and having people put low octane gas in it (without you knowing) instead of the high octane stuff it’s supposed to use and then saying that using gas in a car is bad because of that.

  • Esh325

    Even if that weren’t the case, I highly doubt they would have been interested anyways.

    • MANG

      No doubt, it just goes to show how unlikely it would be.

  • Mazryonh

    Is there any chance the XM8 could be adopted by the Bundeswehr instead? It uses the same magazines as the G36, and assuming the issues with the G36 don’t apply to the XM8 it could work very well.

    • Red Leg

      None. European companies only.

      • Mazryonh

        Doesn’t H&K still own full rights to the design, though? That means they could bring it back, and this looks like an opportunity to upgrade.

  • Kivaari

    But, but, everything German is the best.

  • Joe

    If the substandard polymer was purposefully used by HK, how would that shake out in German court?

    Maybe HK416’s less the cost of the defective G36 fleet.

  • idahoguy101

    Did the Germans destroy their G3 rifles? If not, reissue them!

    • The Brigadier

      I liked shooting the G3. It was comfortable to shoot and very accurate.

  • Ezra Bristow

    “Specific environmental requirements” – hopefully these will be all round requirements not just focusing on high temperature functionality. There’s that old saying about generals fighting with the technology of the last war.

    The Europe wide thing makes sense- after all the US military has always been in favour of a domestic manufacturer, see the last carbine trials. Beretta founded their USA division and manufacturing pretty much solely to have a shot at the handgun competition.

    What about SIG? The SG516 is very nice. . . Plus they share a border and a language.

  • MichaelZWilliamson

    So, having given up on the overpriced knockoff of the CETME and the overpriced knockoff of the AR18, they’re going to look at overpriced knockoffs of FNs?

    Oh, wait, it’s not just HundK in the bidding. 😉

  • Frederick Strobel

    I believe we already have the best blend of AR/AK, the SIG 551 (Swiss of course).

    At least the the Bundeswehr, the German Army, upon discovering a serious problem with their service rifle, immediately set upon replacing it.

    Sure can’t say that about the US Army. The M4 carbine has been proven scientifically and on the battlefield, not as reliable as the M16 rifle. Much less effective at range.

    Go figure.

    “For the great majority of mankind are satisfied with appearances as though they were realities and are often more influenced by things that seem than by those that are” — Nicolo Machiavelli

  • Richard Lutz

    The HK416 (already used by German Special Forces Command and GSG9) is the obvious choice in a 5.56mm NATO service rifle, while the German Army already uses two HK417 variants (G27/G28) in 7.62mm NATO.