BREAKING: German MoD Releases RFI For New Infantry Rifles

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The German Federal Office of Bundeswehr Equipment, Information Technology and In-Service Support (BAAINBw) has released a Prior Information Notice (PIN) to the industry, regarding new infantry weapons that could replace the troubled G36 rifle. A PIN is the European equivalent of the American Request For Information (RFI), which usually precedes a tender for a contract. A machine translation of the PIN is reproduced below:

Germany-Coblenz: Guns

2015 / S 171-311055

Prior information notice for contracts in the fields of defense and security

Supplies

Directive 2009/81 / EC

Section I: Contracting authority / entity

I.1)Name, addresses and contact point (s)

Federal Office for equipment, information technology and use of the Bundeswehr (BAAINBw)
Ferdinand Sauerbruch Str. 1
Contact point (s): BAAINBw K6.2
For the attention of: Mr. Brinkmann / Dr. Körsten
56073 Koblenz
GERMANY
Telephone: +49 261400-14881 / 14689
E -mail: baainbwk6.2@bundeswehr.org
Fax: +49 26140014652

Internet address (es):

General address of the contracting authority / entity: www.baain.de

I.2)Type of contracting authority

Agency / Office National or federal level

I.3)Main activity (ies)

Defense

I.4)Contract award on behalf of other contracting authorities / entities

The contracting authority / entity is purchasing on behalf of other contracting authorities / entities: no

Section II: Object of the contract

II.1)Title attributed to the contract by the contracting authority / entity:

The Bundeswehr performs a market survey in the range assault rifles through.
The weapons must meet the following conditions / requirements:
– NATO standards (all climates, AC 225 / D14 and STANAG 4694 rail);
– demand “basement submission”;
– Laws / Regulations of the Federal Republic . Germany
In order to answer the questions in point II.7) and sending a technical data sheet / brochure / images / manual until 30.9.2015 at BAAINBw K6.2 is requested.
Detailed information and images are especially needed on the following points:
– Weapon completely;
– flash suppressor;
– safety device;
– Notvisier;
– handle;
– Magazine;
– accessories (eg bayonet, signature damper.);
– controls (eg .: cocking lever, magazine release lever, locking lever.).

II.2)Type of contract and location of works, delivery or

Supplies
Main place of execution, delivery or performance: Germany.

II.3)Information on framework agreement

The notice involves the establishment of a framework agreement: no

II.4)Short description of nature and scope of works or nature and quantity or value of supplies or services:

II.5)Common procurement vocabulary (CPV)

35321200

II.6)Scheduled date for start of award procedures and contract duration

II.7)Additional information:

1. How long is the weapon with extended / unfolded
buttstock?. 2 How long is the weapon with retracted / folded
buttstock?. 3 In which lengths of pipe the weapon is
offered?. 4 If a tube length change possible by the
operator?. 5 Weight of the weapon with the appropriate tube (without magazine, without
optics)?. 6 How many cartridges fit into the / the magazine /
e?. 7 If the weapon for left and right hand shooters without modification
usable?. 8 To what extent the buttstock of the weapon’s length and height
adjustable?. 9 If a shot is fired when turned rattle / retracted buttstock without permanent impairment of function possible?
10th Can the weapon in any operation at any charge state via the fuse exclude inadvertent firing constructively?
11th Where the center of gravity of the weapon is filled with magazine and being coated / unfolded buttstock?
12th Does the weapon via a slide catch
function?. 13 V0 which is achieved at the respective tube lengths at 21 ° C at which ammunition?
14. Is there a blank cartridge device for the gun?
15th Can the shutter and the main assembly of the weapons of the same type are used interchangeably, without affecting the function and reliability is limited?
16th What cadence is achieved with continuous fire?
17th Where can be mounted STANAG 4694 rail on the weapon?
18th Is an interface for a launcher 40 mm at the weapon yet?
19th What interfaces are signature damper and bayonet on the weapon mountable?
20th Which signature damper with which performance data can be used with the weapon?
21st On how many shots the lifetime of the housing is limited?
22nd On how many shots the life of the tube is limited?
23rd On how many shots the life of the tube with hard-core ammunition is limited?
24th If special tool for cleaning, maintenance or repair required? What?
25th Is the gun for cleaning by the user dismantled without tools?
26th How is the budget price of a weapon in what quantities (sliding scale)?
27th Which budget price is quoted for the components for which purchase quantity? (z. B .: Signature damper, mount, strap, magazine, drum magazine, storm grip)
28th How many weapons can be in which Delivery period provided in series production?

Section III: Legal, economic, financial and technical information

III.1)Conditions relating to the contract
III.1.1)Main financing conditions and payment arrangements and / or reference to the relevant provisions:
III.2)Conditions for participation
III.2.1)Information about reserved contracts

Section VI: Complementary information

VI.1)Information about European Union funds
VI.2)Additional information:

VI.3)Information on general regulatory framework

Relevant governmental Internet (s), can be called up on the information

Tax Law www.bundesfinanzministerium.de

Federal Ministry of Finance
Wilhelmstrasse 97
10117 Berlin
GERMANY
Phone: +49 30186820
E-mail: poststelle@bmf.bund.de
Fax: +49 30186823260
Internet address: www.bundesfinanzministerium.de

Environmental Law www.bmu.de

Federal Ministry for the Environment, Nature Conservation and Nuclear Safety (BMU)
Robert-Schuman-Platz 3
53175 Bonn
GERMANY
Telephone: +49 228 993 050
E-mail: poststelle@bmu.bund.de
Fax: +49 228 993 053 225
Internet address: www.bmu.de

OSH and working conditions www.bmas.de

Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs
Wilhelmstrasse 49
10117 Berlin
GERMANY
Phone: +49 30185270
E-mail: info@bmas.bund.de
Fax: +49 30185271830
Internet address: www.bmas.de

VI.4)Date of dispatch of this notice:

08/31/2015

 

The Bundeswehr is seeking new firearms that could replace the G36 without experiencing the same issues in accuracy and consistency as the Heckler & Koch weapon. We have covered the G36 controversy extensively, beginning as things began to heat up, the release of a damning report by the Ernst Mach Institute, H&K’s defense, the German Defense Minister’s condemnation of the rifle, the cover-up scandal, to Lithuania’s withdrawal from G36 procurement. We even tested a G36 for ourselves, to see if we could replicate the accuracy issues.

 

Thanks to Daniel for the tip



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • JumpIf NotZero

    I don’t really care much about the G36 issues, or that HK likely bribed the acceptance…

    I just find it HILARIOUS that people have been paying $3000+ for converted SL8 to G36-like guns. The custom work, the plastic welding, adding in the HK logo and “right” markings… For a gun, that fails practically every way to a Colt 6920.

    All because it had an HK logo on it. I love my MP5 SBR, but hell if I’d ever start thinking HK was a mfg that pulled that kind of premium.

    • Ana Branco

      It’s funny, because I know at least a couple of Special Forces units that went from the M4 to the G-36, AND are happy.

      • Joshua

        And these would be? Because I never met them during my time.

        • Ana Branco

          DAE, COT, and others. The Spanish Armed Forces use the G-36 and do not have any kind of precision loss problem, and the country in question is not of the coldest … quite the opposite. Jordan is not a cold country and yet its Special Forces use amongst other things, G-36. This attack reminds me of what happened to a few years in relation to the M-16 / M4 for not being sufficiently reliable. Both rifles (G-36 and AR-15 in DI) are not perfect, but both have a lot to offer.

      • Uniform223

        I don’t think the KSK counts as a foreign SF unit for the G-36.

        • Chi Wai Shum

          And KSK actually has HK416 too. They could be just posing for the camera when they are with their G36.

  • G0rdon_Fr33man

    H&K 416A5.

    • John

      Probably the 416 “A6”: more utilitarian stock, more utilitarian look, plastic in places where HK can get away with it (like the flip cover and the grips) and at a severely reduced cost. $1400 to $1200 per rifle, maybe.

      • Joshua

        Doubtful given the price of the M27, they would be lucky to see a HK416 for $2,000.

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          The contract Norway signed for HK416 was only twice as much as the contract for Aimpoints. 12200 NOK pr rifle, at the time 1 USD was 6.2 USD so 2000 USD pr rifle. That was for 8200 rifles. I think less than 2000 would be reasonable for 170 000 units.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Maybe they should also order some white uniforms for playing in the snow.

    • schatzi

      M42 Wintertarnwendejacke

    • ostiariusalpha

      Or at least replace these old ones.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        PVC underwear can be very binding in combat.

      • Rusty Shackleford

        Sure, the Galactic empire was evil but I’ll be damned if their uniforms didn’t look smart.

  • Josh the potato

    Requirements:
    NATO standard, check
    STANAG compatible, check
    Flash suppressor, you got it
    Carry handle……………..no, I mean, no

    • Bear The Grizzly

      From a practicality stand point I see no reason to have one, but I’ll be darned if I don’t think they look sexy.

  • schatzi

    FG42

    • Uniform223

      Mauser K98

    • Chi Wai Shum

      MP44

  • rywazhere

    HK xm8 revival? It was seen with PASKAL or some Indonesian special forces so it isn’t completely dead. Pretty much an improved g36

    • Bal256

      XM8 showed the exact same issues during testing that the G36 is showing now. That’s where the “melting fish gun” meme originated.

      • TJbrena

        The early prototypes had that problem, yes, but the later versions didn’t. Plus, the barrel was mounted differently, which is apparently a big enough deal that when people were talking about the XM8 in comparison to the G36, one of the editors here felt the need to go back and edit that disclaimer into all of his comments on that article.

        • The XM8 is literally a G36 with a bodykit, for the Bundeswehr’s purposes. No improvement.

    • Bill

      Plastic upper receivers are still a no go in rifle caliber carbines that can shoot full auto. I’m sure HK has learned and is busy with something else in the works. Whatever they come out with, I’m sure it will be next greatest thing.

      • Phil Hsueh

        The issue isn’t the polymer construction of the G36, it’s the type of polymer they’re using. H&K has been cheating and has been using a different type of polymer than what was originally called for in the design specs. As I understand it there’s no problems with the correct type of polymer but what H&K has been using is not as good.

        • Uniform223

          I keep reading with rifles and carbines of polymer designs in general can soak up more heat but at the same time has a harder time trying to dissipate or shed the heat.

  • Axel

    Couldn’t they just replace the polymer parts that affect accuracy with steel/aluminum parts?

    • ClintTorres

      Yeah, I thought they already had a fix. Sounds a lot less expensive than replacing, what was it, 170,000 rifles.

      • Chi Wai Shum

        The German authorities argue that by 2019, the g36 will reach the end of the normal service life anyway. So they will just replace them and not fix them.

    • Phil Hsueh

      It’s not the polymer that’s problem, more to say it’s not the fact that the G36 is largely polymer on the outside, it’s that H&K has been using sub-standard polymer that’s not made from the same formulation that was originally called for. They could have the same, or at least similar issues if they used a sub-par type of steel or aluminum in the G36. The issue would be as if a steel target maker was marketing a target made from AR500 steel but the targets being sold are actually made from mild steel that most rifle rounds can punch right through.

    • John

      Not really. If the plastic melts and cools down, it’s permanently reformed. Try warming up a milk jug and play with it. After it cools, try warming it back up and pushing it into its exact, original shape.

      You can’t. Because plastic can’t be fixed like that and especially not polyethylene, which is exactly what plastic milk containers are made from, and what HK stupidly mass-produced a LOT of G36 rifles out of. Because the G36’s design used a lot of plastic in a lot of wrong places. Soldiers tried cutting off the sights and other things; it didn’t work.

      You have to buy a new G36 made with milspec plastic, and at that point you’re better off just buying a new gun.

      • jcl

        So, what are they going to do with the existing G36? Scrap them? Put them in storage? Or give them to Kurds and Ukrainian soldiers?

  • Lance

    Bet you H&K 416 if they do chose a new rifle but I be H&K will find a way to fix any problems and may save there G-36 from the bone yard.

  • Don Ward

    Time for the Krauts to start picking up some Mitchell Mausers…

    • Mark H

      My wife is as you say a”Kraut”. Time to grow up, before someone punches your ticket.

      • Don Ward

        Hey. Get a look at the Internet toughguy act! But seriously. “Kraut” is a perfectly acceptable nickname, like Limey or Frog or Russkie or Ami, particularly when making what is obviously a joke on an internet Firearm blog. If you are unable to distinguish this, might I suggest some multicultural needle-point blogs which might be safe enough to keep your jimmies from being rustled.

        • Mark H

          Your joke isn’t funny. A real man would choose his words more wisely. Here endth the lesson.

          • Don Ward

            Oh well good. I was worried the lesson would take longer and I had already blocked out the day for painting under the eaves and downspouts.

          • Kevin Harron

            Holy crap dude. I think you need some Preparation H to soothe your butthurt.

          • Mark H

            What kind of husband would I be if I didn’t defend my wife’s honor? That is the way we treat our women in Kentucky.

  • Riot

    Contenders will be colt, FN, H&K – the polish Radom, Israeli Tavor and Croatian VHS-2 are possibilities.
    I think it would be too big for LMT and they just got the NZ order. Maybe this will motivate Steyr to revamp the aug.

    • John

      At this point Thales has successfully invested and revamped the AUG far more than Steyr could.

      I think losing the New Zealand Army trials probably did it for HK. Germany finds itself, like most of us do, in the unenviable position of keeping up their end of the military-industrial complex. They can’t let HK die, particularly as they get more and more involved in worldwide combat and operations.

      They’ll probably buy the HK416, minus the bells and whistles, at a discounted price.

      • Joshua

        A discounted price of $2,500 per rifle.

        • Riot

          I remember seeing 416s at a thousand euros for one on H&Ks site a few years ago.

      • Riot

        Yeah HK is still the most likely to get contracts.

      • Yallan

        HK isn’t going to die. They’ll just go bankrupt, get bought and then downsized and made profitable again. It’s far too valuable a brand. HK making selling defective rifles, is the gravest sin of an arms manufacturer, and the germans would grow some balls and punish them for it.

    • Seburo

      As John pointed out. Steyr is unlikely to upgrade that AUG. I also doubt that Germany would buy French. The F90 would make a good replacement for the Famas though.

      • Riot

        Frances national small arms production hasn’t been in great shape for a while now I think.

      • Yallan

        Designed by Australians, company was bought by the French. Germany would buy from Australia.

        • Yallan

          Also the original design is Austrian, very germanish. Also they’ll be just licensing the design.

  • roguetechie

    I used to absolutely hate the XM8, but recently I’ve been giving it a second look and finding quite a bit to like about it. (except the polymer receiver that I’ll never like because frankly it’s an idea whose time will only come when materials science has advanced substantially from the current state of the art… Even then you’re going to have to wait another 3 decades for it to only cost 5x the price of steel by volume…. Before it’s even minimally feasible)

    However an XM8 with enough steel and aluminum to not melt has lots to offer, primarily in being a nicely rounded and snag resistant form from stem to stern.

    Plus for some reason I dig the carry handle…. Mostly aesthetics motivated, but I also think that you could integrate some pretty advanced and useful self powered and unpowered sighting devices into them.

    • Joshua

      Be heavy as well. Much heavier than the M4 or HK416.

      The XM8 already weighed 7.5lbs with the polymer. Change it to steel and your looking at closer to 9lbs.

  • brocus

    G11 revival?

    • Dave C

      +1. Back to the drawing board… 4.9mm caseless HK G11? with the latest grenade launcher thrown in for good measure.

      The HK416 seems a strong contender. Have the G36 issues turned up in Spain, or other nations that use it? For cheap they could trundle out the old G41: roller-locked sheet metal wunderwaffe Stg.45 mit NATO AR magazines in 5.56mm… And all sorts of rails everywhere what with modularity und so weiter…

  • HenryV

    I hope the Heer will be happy when they get their new H&K 416’s. Lord knows if the Germans keep annoying their immediate neighbours to the east they might have need of them sooner rather than later……….

  • Free-fly

    Whichever replacement rifles they consider, they would be wise to let Battlefield Vegas do some end user torture testing.

  • Anonymoose

    They need moar HK417A2s, and they need them NOW!

    • FourString

      Beeg bulleht ja

  • Uniform223

    I don’t believe the German Military will adopt anything that isn’t German…

    • Yallan

      Yeah but that means they’ll need to go back to HK, who royally just screwed them over. Going to a foreign design may teach HK a lesson they won’t soon forget. Lithgow Arms F90, along with France perhaps?

      • Guest

        That lesson will forgotten fairly quickly, because H&K will go out of business without its German military contracts.

        And putting the blame for this solely on H&K is misguided, anyway… the German MOD screwed them equally by making them invest millions, if not billions in the G11, only to then pull the plug and ask them to come up with a simple, disposable conscript rifle instead – which is basically what they delivered.

      • Orang Africano

        they wont learn, 80% oft their military is not working properly.

        do you really think somebody in germany is not mentally retarded by now?
        look around there, they are importing civil war material that will soon outnumber and kill them. police is not effective, and the army a complete mess.

    • john huscio

      I think they go swiss (b&t)

  • Esh325

    Honestly they could save a lot of trouble by just going to hk416a5. It’s a solid design that is well liked by most users

  • john huscio

    The new brugger & thomet rifle could be a contender