Are you someone who appreciates the classic lines of the 1911 platform, but wants a cartridge with a little more punch than a .45 ACP, or even a .38 Super? A recent photo by Oleg Volk has the answer:

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Adding to the slick, classic John Browning design, the beautiful color case hardened frame, the enhanced beavertail, hammer, and night sights, this handgun by Sam Hoster of Custom Defense, LLC is chambered for the Russian 7.62x25mm Tokarev caliber, a suped-up variant of the 7.63 Mauser cartridge introduced with the equally classic Mauser C96 pistol. To make the conversion work, Sam adapted magazines from the Colt Mark III National Match 1911, which were originally designed for wadcutter-loaded .38 Special match ammunition.



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  • Heretical Politik

    7.62 Tokarev is such an interesting little cartridge. I do want to pick up a TT-33 variant at some point.

    • Giolli Joker

      Cz-52 would be my favourite choice in this caliber.

      • Heretical Politik

        That was actually the first handgun I ever shot.

      • gunsandrockets

        My original thought too. But even though they are not as strong as the Model 52 pistol, the Tokarev is a more practical pistol in my opinion.

        My Model 52 had a nasty trigger backlash.

        • iksnilol

          Eh, it is the same. The CZ-52 has a stronger mechanism but thinner chamber walls.

  • Matrix3692

    I’m waiting for someone to shout “Heresy!” …… 🙂

    • abecido

      It’s more an example of syncretism than heresy.

      • Mark

        Hilarious and correct!

    • Bill

      Heresy! It’s the equivalent of making apple pie with beets! Drinking vodka at a baseball game!

  • Starhoof

    really interesting gun… I just wish 7.62×25 ammo was easier to come by and commercial ammo for it was bit cheaper

  • Darkpr0

    7.62x25mm is a hilariously controversial cartridge. Every time I tell someone I’m using a 30 cal handgun I get the “YOU’LL NEVER HURT ANYONE WITH THAT, YOU NEED AT LEAST A 9MM +P JHP” treatment. But those tend to go away after a couple of shots… The sound and fury this cartridge puts out is about on par with a 327 Fed Mag, no slouch of a round. It deserves a lot more attention than it gets. Some modernized bullet design would really bring this cartridge into its own.

    • NDS

      Yeah it’s too bad there’s not a Federal HST or equivalent!

      • Darkpr0

        I know of some reloaders who have pulled HST 327 Fed Mag projectiles and fed them through Toks. I have no idea how well this worked or to what extent they needed sizing, but I do know there are people out there who have done this. I would personally expect the terminal effects to be reasonably effective against targets. Plus you have the option of running standard FMJs and being able to defeat assailants smart enough to have procured soft armor, a party trick you can’t do with a 9 or a 45 without some substantial effort.

      • Christian Hedegaard-Schou

        Hornady makes the XTP in the proper size. It might not be an HST, but it’s a damn good JHP.

        • NDS

          Thanks for the info, that’s good to know. I use the 147gr XTP for 9mm AR food, it’s a great bullet.

        • El Duderino

          Back when I had a CZ-52 I tried to get quality “hot” JHPs for it and none were to be found (2010 time frame). 85gr JHP at 1600fps sounded like a death ray!

          • Joshua

            that is the problem with the round, lots and lots of energy, but how to make it transfer to the target, ball ammo will tear through the target with minimal energy transfer.

    • gunsandrockets

      As hot as 7.62 Tokarev is, and as light a bullet as it shoots, I would think a simple soft-point rather than a hollow-point bullet would serve adequately for an expanding bullet self-defense load.

      • Darkpr0

        You would probably have to fool with some tests here and there to figure out what bullet construction gets you the best energy transfer/penetration balance you wanted. It certainly has the energy budget to do some work on your target.

        • John Daniels

          Soft lead with a gas check and a good hard lubricant would probably be just fine.

          Sometimes high tech is unnecessary, and I think this might be one of those times.

          • Jamie Clemons

            They make a 7.62 hollow point bullet for rifles but it is probably too long.

          • Jamie Clemons

            Midway has some 7.62 85 grain soft lead bullets for reloading.

          • John Daniels

            Who are “they”?

            And what’s your point?

    • noob

      I always wondered why we have the 22TCM when the 7.62x25mm exists. it almost seems like not-invented-here at work.

      • Darkpr0

        Decreasing calibre is not a bad idea… If 45, 40, 9, 7.62 Tok, and 22 TCM all have roughly equivalent power, and proper bullet design can yield roughly equivalent terminal effects, 22 has the advantage in that it will shoot flatter, have less weight per cartridge, and the maximum armor penetration will be better.

        It also has the advantage in that (re)loading equipment designed for 5.56 will potentially work with bullets for this as well. 5.7 FN tried a similar trick as a selling point for NATO customers whose suppliers are already geared up to load 22 diameter projectiles. It’s just not supported well enough across the board to be a talking point on the general public’s lips.

      • Chase Buchanan

        According to Andrew Tuohy, you can only fit six rounds of standard 7.62x25mm into a 1911 magazine. They’re just a little bit too long.

  • Giolli Joker

    Very cool gun, it’s just a pity that the big logo spoils a bit its look.

  • Anon

    Isn’t this why .22tcm exists? That said I still want one I guess

    • Southpaw89

      22tcm has the same base diameter as the 7.62×25, its essentially a .22 cal version of the Tokarev cartridge. I’m actually considering getting one of the Rock Island 9mm/22tcm 1911’s along with a 7.62 conversion barrel. If it works I could have one handgun that can fire three cartridges just by swapping a few parts. For some reason that really appeals to me.

      • VSN

        If you’re talking about the conversion barrel at J&G, then no, it won’t. The website specifically states that it will not work with RIAs :(.

        • Southpaw89

          Numrich has one that appears to be a good candidate.

    • Anonymoose

      But will it go through fascist pigdogs’ helmets?

  • Fruitbat44

    It is a very handsome looking piece.

  • TJbrena

    That is a classy looking 1911.

  • Raven

    …why would you do something this fancy on a Rock Island gun? My understanding is that those are solid beater guns and make a good entry-level 1911, but for something like this wouldn’t it be better to get, say, some Caspian parts and do it right?

    • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

      but its kind of and experimental gun what if you did it with highend parts and it doesn’t work or it goes side ways and you ruin an expensive Damascus Caspian Slide

      • Raven

        Eh, 7.62×25 1911s aren’t really new. J&G Sales makes conversion barrels for guns in 9mm or .38 Super, and from a quick Google search it seems like dropping them into RIA guns is pretty popular. Guess they’re more of a range toy than a serious gun to drop $$$ on.

        • gunsandrockets

          I’ve heard those conversions have pretty spotty reliability.

      • Joshua

        maybe it’s just a Canadian thing but, our high end 1911s are Norincos; the Gunsmith can pick them up for next to nothing, and by the time he’s done it doesn’t matter what they were to begin with.

    • You can actually clean up the Rock Island guns pretty nicely. Sure, for an absolutely top-of-the-line build, I wouldn’t use an RI pistol, but I didn’t find the choice odd, either.

      • Giolli Joker

        I wonder if they used some components born for .22TCM that has some similarities to this conversion.

    • oldman

      The simple answer is you do not have to modify the frame as the 22TCM and the 7.62×25 are dimensionally almost identical, it makes the conversion easer.

  • USMC03Vet

    I bet that is a conversation piece.
    Oh, you EDC. What do you carry?
    1911 Russian…..

  • Sulaco

    “More punch then a .45ACP”? In a hot FMJ .30 cal? Not sure even in FMJ how that works. Granted a Tok round hitting a bone is a real mess internally but absent that its not a noted great stopper and even then it does not deform the surplus rounds have very thick jackets to make them feed in machine guns….The only non FMJ rounds I found for the Tok was some “Safety” rounds that carried shot in the drilled out nose of the round. Flash and blast does not translate into stopping power (what ever that is) as several gunnies have noted. No matter the ballistics of the round unless it performs at impact the energy is wasted…then there is the safety issue, legal and otherwise of pass through to deal with…

    • You don’t have to shoot FMJs, but with respect to armor penetration for example the 7.62×25 has unequivocally got more “punch” than the .45 ACP.

      • Sulaco

        An excellent example of why in FMJ at least this is not a good anti personnel round and a risk to bystanders. Is there someone making JHP rounds for this now? Have not seen any recently.

        • Well, it’s a good anti personnel round if those personnel are wearing body armor or hiding behind something tough. 😉

  • gunsandrockets

    Only six shot magazines? Still a very nice pistol.

    It may never happen, but a factory 1911 in 7.62 Tokarev that used 8-10 shot magazines is something I would buy. Are you listening RIA?

    • They’d need to redesign the frame’s magazine well to accommodate the longer 7.62x25mm cartridge in any higher capacity. You need an extra ~0.1″ to get the rounds to stack properly without binding.

      • gunsandrockets

        Of course. And it would need a new longer magazine too. That’s why no one has done it yet. But even so it seems a trivial matter to accomplish compared to other 1911 revisions in the marketplace.

        • I have wondered if you couldn’t take one of the thick front strap frames like the 1980s-vintage Caspian or 1990s-vintage Springfield Armory and notch it out for a TT33 or Zastava M57 magazine. You’d also need to modify the magazine latch and possibly add plates to the side of the magazine tube to stabilize it in the magazine well. Of course, if you didn’t care to be able to convert the pistol back to M1911 magazines, you’d simply add those plates inside the magazine well instead.

          • gunsandrockets

            I am convinced the magazine would be the hardest part of a 7.62 1911. Because of the feed angle I am doubtful an existing 7.62 magazine would work in a 1911 with the traditional 1911 frame angle. I think it would require a unique new magazine instead.

            But I suspect making a proper mag fit into a unique 1911 frame would be fairly straightforward.

          • Here is a video showing one of the Chinese or North Vietnamese conversions of a captured M1911A1:

            https://youtu.be/VcFMDPrSSfs

          • gunsandrockets

            Thanks for that video.

            I already knew of the NVA 1911 conversion but I had never seen it described in such detail. Very interesting. I just wish we had some information on how safe and reliable that conversion was.

            Still I think it goes to show that it wouldn’t be that much of a stretch to make a factory 1911 in 7.62x25mm caliber. I guess the real question is, how expensive such a 1911 would turn out compared to something like a Coonan .357 magnum?

          • iksnilol

            You could probably adapt the frame to use existing mags. That’s what I am looking at doing someday when I have money and time. Thinking custom Tokarev frame that accepts P762 mags.

  • Chad Hendricks

    Am I the only one that wants a Glock or S&W M&P in 7.62×25???????

    • Anonymoose

      Teppo Jutsu converted some PT92s, M1 Carbines, and ARs to 7.62 Tok, with subsonic loads in the rifles.

    • J&G Sales was not satisfied with the striker-fired pistols’ ability to reliably ignite the primers on surplus military ammunition.

    • Mike

      No. I want one, or two, or three.
      Come on, Glock, S&W FN, Ruger.
      Polymer high capacity railed handgun in 7.62×25

  • Anonymoose

    iirc, Norinco made .30 Tok conversion kits for the 1911 because of a large amount of M1911A1s floating around East and Southeast Asia after Vietnam.

    • The Chinese Communists made 7.62x25mm conversions of any suitable pistol-caliber firearm captured from the Japanese, Nationalist Chinese, and United Nations forces. Likewise, nearly every rifle-caliber firearm captured in bulk was converted to either 7.62x39mm or 7.62x54mm.

    • Mike

      I believe Norinco make a Sig 226 copy in 7.62×25.
      Lets have a modern handgun in the caliber

      • iksnilol

        They do, can be bought in canada for 400 dollars or something. Just search for “Dominion Arms P762” without the quotes.

  • Wetcoaster

    I wonder how much the 1911 gets battered firing that round, like some of the .40 cal conversions of 9mm designs.

    Racking the slide on a Beretta 96 vs a 92 really brings the extra power of the .40 home

    • It can’t be any worse than the various IPSC race guns in 9mm and .38 Super. Back when the Major Power Factor was 175pf, you’d have folks loading over 180pf to give themselves a cushion.

  • Billy Thompson

    I actually found this discussion thread rather enjoyable to read. So many Tok and 1911 enthusiasts.

    I have enjoyed my CZ-52 and to this day still have it. The irony here is that is wasn’t until later in my life where I bought my first series of 1911’s and have enjoyed them as much as Glocks, Rugers, Smiths, etc.

    Naturally seeing a 1911 shooting 7.62×25’s is super appealing because I would get to have more options to shoot, but also I can have additional reasons to stockpile Tok rounds. 🙂

    I’d buy this gun if someone sold it off the shelf!

  • Zebra Dun

    I could enjoy one of these immensely!
    I’ve shot TT-33 and my brother’s CZ-52 and we were impressed with this cartridges ability to go through just about everything.
    It’s high velocity makes it a super flat shooter.
    I count the 7.62 x 25 mm in the self defense category of bullets.
    Dated yes but it can fill this niche.

  • Archie Montgomery

    I disagree with the statement in the article “… a little more punch …” The 7.62×25 surely has higher muzzle velocity with a much lighter bullet. It does show more ‘kinetic energy’ but has much less momentum.

    This sounds interesting in a niche sort of way. It would be a flat shooting HANDGUN, not a handy rifle. As a handgun it would be subject to the limitations of handgun accuracy – minimal sight radius and less solidity of hold (compared to a carbine or rifle). Handguns are not intended as ‘long range’ firearms – notwithstanding those who use them in such fashion.

    Other than a curiosity – and I do like curiosities – I have no need for such a pistol.

  • Jacque Mehoff

    This goes on the “Barrel List” of guns to own!

  • Rick

    I have done this with a .22 TCM and a J&G 7.62×25 barrel. I hand load the bullets a little short and can load 16 of them. I’m getting impressive velocities with 90 , 71 and 86 grn bullets.

  • Eurk Burkell

    Twenty years ago I bought a Tokarev pistol, the single action, and loved the cartridge. The pistol wasn’t designed for carrying the way we do in the US. Russian soldiers carried it with the chamber empty, and racked it when they needed it. What I thought of building at the time, though, was a Mauser action (bolt action) rifle with a short barrel. With hardball, you could shoot small game and not tear it up. Load it up and add soft point bullets and you could kill deer. And you could carry a brick of ammo! I think it would be a great little gun.

  • Brian M

    It’s funny, because the TT pistols are somewhat like the spiritual descendants of the M1911 and are in numerous ways improvements on the basic short recoil design by having a fully captive recoil spring, articulated guide rod, unified hammer assembly, and locking lugs on all sides of the action. Now all someone needs to do is make a 7.62×25 TT33 in DA/SA with double stack magazines, a drop safety, a spring-loaded firing pin, a hammer block safety, a grip safety, and a decocker. It would be a fearsome beast.

  • supergun

    The Cor Bon 165 gr 45 is sufficient.