ITS OFFICIAL: Wal-Mart Abandons AR-15 Shooters For Good!

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In the last several weeks there has been a lot of talk about Wal-Mart and rampant speculation about the giant retailer discontinuing or continuing to sell AR15s and other tactical type guns.

Steve and I talked about the situation and felt we needed to find out one way or another what was going to happen and why. My task was to get a statement from Wal-Mart corporate in Bentonville, Arkansas and settle the question one way or the other for the readers of TFB.

No more of these!

No more of these!

A week and a half ago I contacted Wal-Mart with an official request for information on the company’s position on selling AR15s now and in the future. This afternoon I got a call from Wal-Mart’s corporate headquarters with answers to the questions I posed. These are the answers I was given.

Will Wal-Mart continue to sell AR15s in any of the retail stores?

No, Wal-Mart has discontinued selling AR15s in any of our stores.

Are there any other guns that will no longer be sold at Wal-Mart?

Yes, we have also discontinued sales of shotguns with 18 1/2 inch barrels as well as .22 rifles that look like AR15s. There will be no MSR guns of any type sold in any Wal-Mart stores.

It sounds like Wal-Mart will stop selling any product that could be labeled tactical or defense related would that be true?

Yes that’s true we will not be selling accessories for the AR15 and other guns. We are getting back to selling only hunting and sporting guns and accessories.

Would this include the Blackhawk brand of add ons for AR15s and various shotgun add ons?

Pretty much any product related to tactical guns and gear will be or has been discontinued.

I guess my next question would be why? Is it the current political climate?

No not at all. Wal-Mart only sells guns in one third of our stores and sales of this type of gun and accessories have dropped off a great deal. It’s a business decision and a decision made by our customers request we sell more traditional guns and accessories. In order to expand our offerings of traditional guns we had to make more space and discontinue guns that were not selling. This is really about providing our customers with what they want to purchase.

So I guess this also ties into the run on AR15s a while back and the subsequent reduced sales. Will this be a permanent decision or at some point could Wal-Mart decide to start selling AR15s again?

I see this as a permanent decision at this point. Again this was a financial decision due to slow sales and what our customers have let us know they prefer to see at Wal-Mart which is a wider selection of traditional rifles and shotguns.

Sir I thank you for your time and answering our readers questions. I’m sure our readers will appreciate it.

You’re welcome thank you for contacting us.

That pretty much sums up the situation with Wal-Mart for now and apparently in the future. If you happen to feel abandoned because you purchase these now discontinued products from Wal-Mart we understand your frustration.

It wasn’t the news I hoped to bring you but it’s done and won’t be changing. One thing I didn’t see coming was Wal-Mart discontinuing anything and everything MSR/tactical related. If you live in an area with a Wal-Mart that does sell guns you better get them while you can. I understand there are some pretty hefty discounts.



Phil White

Retired police officer with 30 years of service. Firearms instructor and SRU team member. I still instruct with local agencies. My daily carry pistol is the tried and true 1911. I’m the Associate Editor and moderator at TFB. I really enjoy answering readers questions and comments. We can all learn from each other about our favorite hobby!


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  • Dan

    The AR15 is the most popular rifle in the USA. It boggles the mind that they would discontinue its sale while continuing the sale of less popular hunting rifles.

    • Can’t say I understand it either—-

    • TDog

      Just playing devil’s advocate here, so please don’t take this as anything but an exploration of the issue.

      Given Wal-Mart’s typical business plan, i.e., buy really cheap stuff and sell it at a profit margin that will keep the stockholders happy, is it possible that aside from the legal risks they simply couldn’t find someone willing to sell them the rifles in quantities and at prices that would satisfy their business model?

      We have to remember that most of the stuff sold at Wal-Mart is REALLY cheap and typically from China. AR’s are made in the US and not by slave labor. AR’s may be cheap, but maybe not enough for Wal-Mart’s tastes.

      Regardless, like I said, I’m just exploring the issue. I personally never shop at Wal-Mart, so I couldn’t care less what they do. It’s not like any state in the union is hurting for gun stores…

      • Bal256

        I don’t get why people keep repeating that Walmart’s guns are from China, when they carry the same brands as any other hunting store. I understand if they think Remingtons are made in China by today’s quality, but otherwise that statement is unfounded.

        • Tiru Maru

          “We have to remember that MOST OF THE STUFFsold at Wal-Mart is REALLY cheap and typically from China. AR’s are made in the US and not by slave labor” Where does it say anything about guns being made in China. Just asking… : )

          • Hyok Kim

            Bal256 is a member of breibert network and subscribes to American Thinker Magazine. I know what they are about. Figures……..

        • JumpIf NotZero

          China, no.

          But part of Walmart’s business plan is to (when possible) work with the mfg to develop a Walmart-specific SKU. This is typically either using lower quality, cheaper materials, missing features, or in some way cut costs somewhere.

          For example, in a TV, the mfg might use 20 $.05 capacitors which have a hand placed cost of $.50 per TV, might come with lots of cables and have a total weight of 45lbs. The Bestbuy/online/etc SKU is a 2530-55. After working with Walmart they may opt for caps with looser specs and remove some of the cables from the packaging, and thin the panel mounting plate to cut 1lb off, call the SKU a 2533-55 and it’s only available at Walmart. Short version is don’t shop at Walmart – fwiw Costco sometimes does the exact opposite of this.

          There hasn’t been any specific evidence that Walmart Colts were modified SKU, but it would be extremely difficult for the customer to detect these things anyhow.

          So, it’s not China per se, but that doesn’t mean Walmart goods are definitely of equal quality.

          • MichaelZWilliamson

            If you buy Plano plastic shelving at WalMarx, it will be of cheaper plastic and 4″ smaller and not compatible with their real stuff.

            There’s no reason to buy anything at WM. There are no deals.

          • Mick Finn

            Exactly right. Sure, Walmart sells Goodyear tires. Goodyear Viva. Garbage tires made just for Wal-mart and costco with a goodyear logo on it. SKUs made just for them.

          • Tactikool

            I’ll bet Valvoline isn’t making a special Mobil 1 SKU for walmart.

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            I asked SIG this question about the M400 carbine WalMart stocked.
            They claimed it was the same as all other vendors got other than the inclusion of a 10 round mag vs the 30 round mag for other vendors and states.

          • Kivaari

            A new SKU would be justified if WM had Colt put together a special package. Like having a soft case, three mags instead of one, putting in a special cleaning kit etc. The Colt package WM offered was a good deal.

        • TDog

          I wasn’t referring to guns in particular. I was referring to the rest of the doohickeys and geegaws they sell. A lot of their cheap guns are from Turkey or Brazil if they are foreign at all.

          Sorry for the misunderstanding. I should have been clearer.

          • Hyok Kim

            No need to be sorry, he misunderstood you, not your problem.

        • Jon

          Read his post. He never said Walmart bought their guns from China!!!

    • Bullphrog855

      From my experience, I’ve never met a Ar-15 owner or potential buyer to buy from Walmart, they typically go to dedicated gun stores. While I’ve met tons of hunters to buy from Walmart, Dicks, or any where convenient.

      But what do I know.

      • M40

        Exactly. They go to their favorite gun shop where they know the owner, and can hang out and chat for a while. When it comes to high end guns, many buy them online where they can shop the whole country for the cheapest price, then transfer it through the local shop’s FFL for an extra few bucks. Can’t do that at Wal-Mart.

        I own many guns, and not one of them came from Wal-Mart. I’ve only ever bought cheap plinking ammo there.

    • Sianmink

      Actually last I checked the Ruger 10/22 is still tops in sales. Admittedly it’s hard to compare vs a platform sold by literally hundreds of manufacturers, so you might be right.

      • Zebra Dun

        Yu can buy the Ruger 10/22 at Walmart but not the ammo, there never is any .22lr there. however you can walk into a Walmart, buy an evil assault rifle and buy enough ammo to walk outside, load up and go jihadi.
        Which most likely from a law enforcement and hoplophobe point of view is what’s actually going on here.

        • jcitizen

          You can get 22 ammo at Wally World – you just have to be there right when the truck arrives or you will miss out. They’ve even tried limiting the number of bricks to a customer, but they still sell out within 15 minutes. It really is a shame and a wonder as to why the world’s manufacturers have not decided to meet the demand. I’m seriously thinking of selling all my 22s as the industry doesn’t even try to support our needs for ammo. Just imagine what will happen if the SHTF! Nope! I think I will stick with popular calibers that can be reloaded from now on – I’ve actually paid less for rifle and 9mm ammo than what 22 ammo cost per round – that is just plain ridiculous!!!

          • Zebra Dun

            The three walmart stores within our county never have any type of .22 lr ammo it never makes it to the receiving docks apparently.
            We have a walmart distribution and internet shopping warehouse here and that is where most of the ammo is sold from I believe right off the dock.
            It has been years since walmart had any rimfire ammo.
            No. they won’t even discuss when a truck is coming in.
            It’s the same with many other calibers, you can get 9 mm, .45 acp .38 spl and .357 but out side of shotgun shells and some hunting rifle calibers it’s barren.
            I regret this as my grandson’s really love shooting the .22’s I have, which stand idle most of the time.
            I get my .22 lr from a gun store/ sporting goods store 30 miles away. When they have it that is.
            It’s a shame really, I would pass up buying a good quality but cheap priced .22 rifle/pistol now days for this very reason.

          • jcitizen

            Well I guess there is always AmmoMan – he can sell you 500 rds for 8 cents a round. A brick is the limit with him. But if you space it out you could gather quite a stash. The price includes shipping, so that’s 40 bucks for a brick. Not bad for what it sells for now days. You can always check on ammoseek(dot)com if things change – and they will!

          • Zebra Dun

            I’ll give it a try!
            Thanks.

    • Kivaari

      The press release is pretty straight forward, they received complaints from customers. Those complaints outweighed the positive, so they took them out. They caved to complaints.

  • john huscio

    Im sure it sucks for some, but Walmart isn’t/was never the first place that comes to mind when I go gun shopping

    • BearSlayer338

      Its pretty much where I would go if I couldn’t find a gun with a metal detector after trying every other store.

    • Tim Pearce

      Agreed. I like guns that last. Walmart isn’t in the business of selling things that last. I’m sure every firearm sold at Walmart was made to a significantly lower standard than those sold everywhere else.

      • Bill

        I saw my first SIG 716 in a MallWart, but couldn’t imagine that many of their customers would recognize it for what it was.

        • Tim Pearce

          That’s honestly very surprising that you could find Sigs there

          • Sgt. Stedenko

            Wallyworld sold the Sig M400 carbine at a pretty decent price. It came with a 10 round magpul mag, the MOE furniture and a rifle bag.

          • And no muzzle device—-

      • Grindstone50k

        I’m pretty sure my Ruger 10/22 I bought from Walmart isn’t any different from any other Ruger 10/22…

        • Cymond

          Probably, there used to be a special version of the 10/22 that was only sold at WalMart. It had a black receiver with a 22″ stainless barrel.

          • Grindstone50k

            Yeah, this one is black painted receiver and barrel with wood stock. Just like a million other 10/22s I’ve handled or seen online and at LGSes.

          • Cymond

            Yeah, many they sell look standard, but some don’t. The concern is that WalMarts guns may be nonstandard in ways we can’t see.

            My memory was off, it had a silver receiver.
            22″ tapered barrel with iron sights and a fancy stock

            http://smg.photobucket.com/user/rclint/media/10-22walmartspecial003.jpg.html
            10-22walmartspecial003.jpg

          • Kivaari

            Black anodized receiver and trigger group. No paint used.

    • spasmonaut

      I bought four firearms for the first time within the past year, three of which were shotguns (including my 930 Tactical!), and a youth Savage bolt gun for Christmas this year for my daughter. I’d like to see more lever guns and single shots and even some blackpowder stuff return. I bought my first blackpowder gun at a Walmart about 10 years ago after Black Friday, and it’s still my only inline. I’d be stoked if they brought back blackpowder.

      • Kivaari

        My local WM is selling them.

        • spasmonaut

          Selling blackpowder guns? Mind my asking where at?

          • Kivaari

            The Smelterville, Idaho Wal Mart.

    • Grindstone50k

      I got a great deal on a 10/22 carbine at Walmart. Prices for some ammo is also some of the best around, at least for retail.

  • KestrelBike

    I very much doubt this is purely economic and not political. I can see them not finding profits with stocking some $3,200 LMT rifle, but the $599 M&P sport AR is perfect for Wal-Mart.

    Oh and not stocking home defense shotguns (those nefarious 18″ barrel ones the spokesperson stuttered over) because they need the room for some duck commander 30″ zombie-mossy oak is also horse-puckey.

    If you’re going to sell out, Wal-Mart, at least own it and have the balls to tell it to America’s face. And don’t forget that the liberal chodes you’re aiming to appease aren’t exactly the ones filling your cash registers.

    • nadnerbus

      They are going to take the spare space and fill it with organic arugula and Kale chips.

      • M40

        If you’ve seen the size of the average Wally-World shopper, you’ll know that the health food market is NOT something they’re interested in!

        • Hyok Kim

          I guess that would make good candidates for Obamacare.

      • Hyok Kim

        I love kale chips.

    • Chase Buchanan

      Wal-Mart doesn’t have any kind of courage; after all, they’re afraid of unions.

    • Paul White

      I can actually see it; I know I was talking to a guy I know that works at academy and he said AR sales are in the crapper at our local store. Plus prices are way down; I see ARs going for 500 or so regularly.

      • ozzallos .

        I’m in agreement. I’d be willing to bet the interwebs have taken huge chunks out of their accessories sales, and with the AR being so ubiquitous, its no effort at all to build one part for part via some online vendor.

        Annnnd I’ll bet there’s political climate. Lets not forget that Walmart was being sued by a Church stakeholder to pretty much not sell anything gun related. I’ll bet this is a compromise to some degree to go away.

        • The Brigadier

          Its cheaper to buy a mid-grade one right now then build your own. I researched it and picked one up for a very low price. Low end ones like DPMS are going for around $450.

          • Kivaari

            That’s true. I built three last year. Two were done for $638, the other $950. I was tempted to simply buy a cheapy, but they would need more money to make them right. None of the off the shelf guns had Geislele SSA triggers. None had quality folding sights or top tier Magpul furniture. Still they were starting places. But when new Bushmaster lowers could be bought for $45 it was the right thing for me. Of the 3 I built, I gave one away, sold one for cost and kept a higher grade for myself. Building allows you to get what you want, that simply can’t be found on a store shelf.
            I haven’t seen $450 DPMS rifles locally. That is a good price.

          • The Brigadier

            I just bought a Smith and Wesson M&P for $530 delivered to my FFL. Its got a six length adjustable stock and Magpul sights and it came with one PMAG Gen2 mag. Its a decent mid-grade rifle. A friend of mine got a deal for a lower and an upper and after he purchase everything else he built five for $610 each. They are about the same quality as my S&W. I almost bought a beautiful Sig AR for $1050, but I’d rather spend the money on semi-match grade M1A, and like everything else after the last manic buying session, they are on sale also.

            Besides if the economy crashes around Oct. 20 like a lot of financial analysts are saying right now, there will be general rioting that might devolve into a second civil war. If I survive the numerous battles like I did in the past, then I will upgrade my rifles with any better one I find on the battlefield. I might not survive the first one and someone with a DPMS might be elated to get a brand new M&P. Fate is fickle and ironic that way.

          • Kivaari

            A civil war will be clustered around big cities. Rural communities will establish armed road blocks. It will be nasty when the cities empty and search for food in your house. There is actually a private militia in the county where I live. I have only met 2 of them, but they had quite a photograph display on their website. I don’t have a handout any more. I know they already made the list of bad actors with the SPLC. I hold the SPLC in low regard, as they claim any gun owner is a bad person. From memory it was called the Shoshone Lightfoot. We are 45 miles from a population center and 70 miles from a large urban center. There certainly is not enough food for all. I looked into several local churches, identified in the county emergency plan. They had large supplies of basic foods and kitchens designed to feed quite a few at any time.

      • RickH

        I agree, it’s easier for them to move a dozen $599.00 TV’s then one $599.00 rifle.

        • Zebra Dun

          Have you seen the return area for their TV’S?

          • M40

            When your markup is triple your cost, you can easily afford to have 10% of them come back as returns. Doesn’t hurt them a bit.

          • Zebra Dun

            There it is.

          • Nope====

          • The Brigadier

            I shop at Sam’s and the greatest returns are all Vizio. Cheap TVs made in China with sub-standard electronics. The have an average life of only two years. Samsung’s which are made in South Korea are 50% better lasting three whole years. ~ sigh

          • Kivaari

            I bought one of the smaller flat screen TVs. Set it up, then took it down and returned it. Then I bought a much more expensive models, a Samsung. A far superior TV.

        • M40

          And there’s a MUCH higher profit margin on the TV’s. The $600 TVs cost them about $200/ea in bulk quantities. The same cannot be said of the AR’s. They might make $50 on the sale of an AR.

          And you don’t need to have employees filling out piles of state and federal forms in triplicate to sell a TV. They don’t need to be trained in licenses, databases, waiting periods or permits, and they don’t need to be up to date on an ever changing sh*t-pile of laws.

          Making money in the gun business is tough. Most of the gun shops out there are owned and staffed by people who are definitely NOT in it for the money!

          • rifflizard

            Again, I say what about the “accessory” part of the deal? There is a buttload of money to be made in accessories for tactical rifles and shotguns, a BUTTLOAD!!! Much of which they CAN make money on. It`s painfully obvious, it`s a political move to and for the “left” ! ! !

          • M40

            …and again, I’ll say there’s just no profit margin in that. There are hundreds of online stores selling that stuff so cheap that there’s no way Wal-Mart could do their ‘price-match guarantee’ and still make money at it.

            And then there’s the fact that there’s thousands of things you can bolt on an AR. Wally World would have to dedicate a whole aisle to nothing but AR parts. It just works better as an online business model, not big box store. Even Dick’s or Bass Pro don’t have much in the way of AR parts and accessories.

          • ExurbanKevin

            Yes, but unless you stock EVERY accessory (or the entire Magpul catalog), you’re not stocking the right one (see also: Reloading components). Walmart can spend the shelf space on cheap Chinese airsoft of something else with a better than 25% markup.

          • Markup minimums are closer to 50% and probably average 75%.

          • Kivaari

            Phil, On what? A retail markup of 50% means the item cost $50 landed, and sells or $100. A 75% markup means it cost $25 and sells for $100. Except for illegal drugs, diamonds and clothing do profit margins get that high. New guns often had a 15% margin, costing $850 and selling for $1000. I never saw guns with keystone markup, or double the cost. It’s why you see so many rag merchants (clothiers).

          • Not on guns certainly but there are some made in China products that are purchased super cheap and marked up that much. Housewares comes to mind.

          • James Ellis

            Most TV’s have a single digit markup.

          • M40

            Wal-Mart’s gross profit margins have been hovering around the 25% mark for almost a decade. You are actually correct in one sense… the bulk of the items in their stores have only single digit margins, but these are the lower priced commodities (food, general housewares, clothing, etc). So what is it that brings them up to that 25% average? Big ticket items… electronics in particular.

            The big electronics stores of the 90’s went under because they were expected to have (for example), a full selection of 50 or 60 different models of televisions. In contrast, a Wal-Mart may have a dozen models that they buy in HUGE volumes at drastically cut prices from manufacturers. Simply put, Walmart puts itself in a prime negotiating stance wherever they can. On most of their advertised electronics specials, they are employing at least 50% margin.

          • James Ellis

            Clothing is on average has the highest margins in the store. Most tv’s are low margin if not in the neg due to the prices that keep dropping. The accessories is where the good margins are at. This is from 28 years with this company.

          • M40

            I can see some (brand name) women’s clothing hitting higher margins. However, clothing sales is usually one of the lower margin sectors (unless you’re a high-end designer fashion boutique… and WalMart is NOT). Most clothing outlets rely on sales volume to remain profitable.

            I’ve been talking about margins all along, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you may be referring to NET profits which are something else entirely. Reported net profits are heavily burdened, and thus ALWAYS end up in single digits for tax purposes. Actual profit MARGINS are something else entirely. You may have spent a long time working at WalMart, but unless you’re going to tell me you work at corporate headquarters, then you haven’t been exposed to their aggressive negotiation tactics or actual profit margins.

            I spent 25 years in the electronics manufacturing industry. I follow the news and trends for that sector closely. The AVERAGE profit margin (across the entire electronics retail sector) hovers at about 40%. WalMart is FAMOUS for aggressively pushing manufacturers for better high volume price breaks in order to (A) match/beat competitor pricing and (B) yield better profit margins. Just Google ‘Walmart aggressive negotiation’ and you’ll see countless stories about them beating up manufacturers.

            WalMart sometimes DOES drop to single digit margins on electronics… and it makes news when it happens. In 2009, Walmart was in a race with Best Buy to offer the world’s first sub-$300 laptop computer. WalMart made news for dropping to ultra-slim margins, and many say that HP actually LOST money on that deal. That was a “back-to-school” special, and WalMart made up for it with all the other school related purchasing.

          • The Brigadier

            You are absolutely right James. Wal-Mart discounts most everything, but they sell a tremendous amount of everything they carry and that is why the Walton’s are the richest family in the world with a combined wealth of 82 billion according to the last list Fortune brought out.

          • The Brigadier

            Prove it. Ipse dixit simply doesn’t cover it. That is Latin for “it is because I say it is.”

          • The Brigadier

            That is not true M40. Most big retailers only make thirty to forty bucks on most TVs and they are sold as loss leaders. Remember they also sell sound systems, cables, blu-Ray players etc where they make fifteen to twenty percent on each sale. A friend of mine works at Costco and the margins on TVs are ridiculously low, on peripherals a lot better. About the same for ARs right now also.

      • sean

        I know at my store AR sales are way down and that’s with decent quality and under $600! But yet we can sell a AK for over $700

        • spasmonaut

          We need more American AK-builders to squash the prices. I guarantee that will bring down the prices, and is precisely why they went up. Supply just isn’t there. The only handful that are out there tend to go even higher than milsurp-rebuilds. A modern sporting replica (l coined that – you can’t have it!) that has no more frills than the original, if it can be produced in enough volume, would bring the market back into correction.

          • Paul White

            I would give my eyeteeth for a sub 600 dollar american AK with a good way to mount an optic. Sounds like the perfect hog gun to me

          • Kivaari

            All new AKs are USA made. There are no imports today. GCA ’68 re-reading by the ATF showed them that they could have stopped all those imports including internal parts, barrels, and every major part.

          • spasmonaut

            Right, but they were so cheap prior because of the use of imported parts and then the 922 compliance by using a handful of mass-produced US parts including the new production receivers. If everyone and their brother made AK parts like they do AR parts here in the US, AKs would be competing muzzle to muzzle with ARs on price, perhaps cheaper. Choice within a free market is a beautiful thing, and I think it’s time some entrepreneurial types got to making AKs aside from Century and a few other outfits that are making $600-$900 AKs.

          • Kivaari

            Good point. The Arsenal rifles are made in Nevada. They are nicely done, but very high priced. Over the years I owned close to 25 variants of the AK. Most were fine rifles. Even the $1289 Egyptian Maadi (over 30 years ago), Valmets, Galils, many Chinese (most were excellent) Yugo (from Mitchell Arms – beautifully made, but heavy and too much butt stock), Romanian (ugly) and Russian.
            Recent Century Arms rifles have excellent finish. I think we wont see many more AKs as the defects in the design limit how well they work in comparison to ARs. Crude sights, awkward magazine changes, trigger slap and other minor eye of the beholder features or traits. ARs are simply more refined and they are what WE as a nation use.
            I wouldn’t mind having another AK. I just dread my tendency to buy huge piles of magazines and ammo. Another $3000 in goodies, before I get a high quality scope mount with a high quality scope and before you know, I have to sell ARs to support the AK. The current Century Arms AKs, nice examples, are sitting on my dealers shelf, and they haven’t sold on nearly 2 years. I wonder why? Maybe it is the nearby ARs with better everything have more appeal.

          • Kivaari

            MORE? What that will mean is more small companies will go broke.

      • Tim Pearce

        The store I work for has also seen pretty low sales on modern rifles. However, there’s no way we’d say, “we’re never going to sell these again,” unless we were taking a political stance. A store stocks what sells. If AR-15s sell again, Walmart should be totally open to selling them again.

        • That’s true just about everywhere. AR’s and most black rifles are very slow right now.

          • The Brigadier

            America has purchased a half billion guns in the last eight years. There was a second manic buy starting last year that has just ended after Obama announced he was going to ban some rifles by Executive Order. Our Idiot-in-Chief just doesn’t get it. This is why he was voted the Worst President in U.S. History by seventy percent of the electorate. If he makes another statement like that the manic buying will begin again. I do need another M1A.

          • Thanks for recognizing that Barry is an idiot Brigadier. He is, however, the biggest gun salesman ever.

          • Kivaari

            Obama was voted into office, despite his ranking as the worst president in our history. He’s still the AH-in-chief.

          • Hyok Kim

            ” Our Idiot-in-Chief just doesn’t get it. This is why he was voted the Worst President in U.S. History by seventy percent of the electorate. If he makes another statement like that the manic buying will begin again.”

            ……..so what does that make people who participate in manic buying?

          • The Brigadier

            Patriots.

          • Hyok Kim

            Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me?

          • Kivaari

            So why did the idiots re-elect Obama?

          • Hyok Kim

            Because they thought he would give more crumb than Romny.

          • Kivaari

            It was a good reason to get what they wanted anyway. Their inhibition to spend money on goodies was eased. It is always a good thing to do, and if you buy right, it’s a good thing. When I had my last store, Clinton years, I simply would not play the game. If wholesale went up, I stopped buying over-priced guns or ammo. When I found it at the right price I bought, then I did not screw the customers. Most appreciated that I would not scalp them. It was bad business to overpay and then overcharge. When enough dealers said, NO, the market corrected. Most scalping was in the private market. People willing to pay too much could find individuals willing to sell them guns and ammo. I had gone into a funk after my son was killed. I’d bought an AR with all the goodies. I bought it new just before he was killed. I never fired it for 3 years. It was the first Obama crisis, I sold it for what I paid, making maybe $50 on $2500 worth of gear. Now I have several variants.

          • Hyok Kim

            “It was a good reason to get what they wanted anyway. Their inhibition to spend money on goodies was eased. It is always a good thing to do, and if you buy right, it’s a good thing.”

            I don’t like to jump through the loop whenever someone shouts, “Jump! or you may never get the chance to buy it again!”

            Warren Buffet didn’t get rich by manic buying. He bought when no body wanted it, and sold when everybody wanted it.

            Btw. I rarely ever buy brand new. I try to buy used ones from gun shops owned by gunsmiths.

          • Kivaari

            I said…”buy right”, don’t over spend.

          • Hyok Kim

            Yes, but I’ve found out over the years that it’s simply not worth it to buy brand new. Almost all my guns I’ve bought used, far better deal than I could even find brand new.

            Also, I am not exactly into tacti-cool way of life. I remember when I could pay the same money for Steyer Scout Rifle or HK SP9 ‘Pistol’. No brainer for me, but a lot of gun guys would go goo goo ga ga for SP9 instead of Steyer Scout rifle!

          • Kivaari

            Being the first kid on the block to get the new firearm, can be fun. Someone needs to buy them used, before they show up on the used market.

          • Hyok Kim

            True. Still, if one is patient enough, far better deals waiting. I remember way back in 80’s, the times of ‘wonder nines’, one could have paid $1000 (in 80’s dollars) for Walther P5 or $1500 for Walther P88, if one was willing to wait just a few years, one could have bought P5 for as low as $450 almost brand new, and for P88, $850 almost brand new.

            No brainer for me. Only way I am willing to buy brand new would be my own custom gun, which would be a full size 9mm 1911, with custom inlet sight on the slide for no snag draw from a gunsmith who specialize on that, and SVI slide, Schuemann barrel, roller bearing trigger from another gunsmith, SAFF ignition kit from cylinder and slide, plus some other hardcore components from some other gunsmiths.

          • Kivaari

            I bought a P5 for $1289 in 1984 dollars. It was the most inaccurate pistol I ever owned. I referred to it as my fine European shotgun.
            I also paid $1289 for an Egyptian Maadi ARM. The closest to a Soviet AKM on the market at the time. Regrets persist.

          • Hyok Kim

            “I bought a P5 for $1289 in 1984 dollars.”

            You got SUCKERED!!!

            I have bought 3 P5s, all used. 2 of them almost brand new, one slightly worn bore, ex-German Police. The most I paid was $650, next $550, the last $450.

            .

            “It was the most inaccurate pistol I ever owned.”

            Have you ever even noticed the gap between the muzzle and the slide? The loosest fit I had ever felt in my hands. However, P5 was never intended to be a sandbag rest precision target gun. For that nothing can still beat 1911, SIG P210 or better yet Korth PRS.

            It was intended to be a gun that shoot fast while moving about, against moving targets, even with just one hand, and easy to field strip and reassemble. It is the easiest gun to field strip and reassemble, talk about low maintain, with nothing to fly about, unlike especially 1911.

            In rapid fires, especially with one hand, P5 was very easy to control. About the only easier to control that I had experienced was HK P9S, but P5 had better combat (short, positive reset) trigger, and more reliable, and easier to field strip and reassemble.

            As for P88, trigger was not that good, worse than Sig Sauer P225, plus the grip was too thick for my short index finger, but it had the tightest lock up in terms of muzzle to slide gap that I had ever noticed back then. Latest Walther Pistols used the same design, and benefit from it with exceptional accuracy.

            25′ group from ransom rest as tight as 1″ 5 shot groups, this from 80s!

            I referred to it as my fine European shotgun.I also paid $1289 for an Egyptian Maadi ARM. The closest to a Soviet AKM on the market at the time. Regrets persist.

          • Kivaari

            The Walthers just cost that much. I was an FFL at the time. If you wanted one, that was the going rate. It was a terrible pistol accuracy wise. I loved the concept, just not the accuracy. Over sandbags it was hard to keep a magazine load in an 8″ target. I can shoot, and shot better than, and I couldn’t hit tin cans at 20 feet. I could hit with my SIG P220 and HK P7. To this date I have never had a more inaccurate pistol.
            The ARM was actually great, as it was correct down to the black baked on paint. It was just one of about 25 AKs I had. I had around 25 SKS carbines as well. I would order 20 at a time, and pick out the ones I did not already have. It was a great collection.

          • Hyok Kim

            P5 was intended to be a soldier’s gun, not the range gun.

          • Kivaari

            NO. The P5 was intended for German police. It may have contended for the Army, but it failed because of accuracy. Soldiers need a pistol that can hit people. There was not enough precision built into that gun to make it useful for anything beyond making noise. If it can’t hit a mans head at 25 yards, just why have it. It was a police pistol, but it simply failed in the market place. How long did Walther catalog them? Two years in the US, except for Earls Repair. Used P5s don’t cost much, because they are so bad. Even the P1 is superior.
            I had a Super PP in 9x18mm Ultra, that out performed the P5.

          • Hyok Kim

            “NO. The P5 was intended for German police.”

            Of course I know that. When I said it was intended to be a soldier’s gun, not the range gun, I meant it to be low maintain, and controllable in rapid fire at the typical pistol range, instead of putting premium on pure sand bag accuracy.

            “It may have contended for the Army,…………..”

            Didn’t Germany army already adopt P7 by then?

            “Soldiers need a pistol that can hit people.”

            P5 can certainly hit within typical pistol range. Far more important than sandbag accuracy is practical accuracy under combat conditions.

            In battle, one does not simply fires one shot at a target that could shoot back, one fires in ‘bursts’, and this is where P5 shines. P5 is far more controllable when shot in ‘burst’ than any other guns I’ve shot with the sole exception of HK P9S.

            Plus P5 has a better combat trigger (short positive reset) than any other pistol (with the exception of tuned 1911) than any other factory stock guns I’ve shot.

            “..but it failed because of accuracy.”

            Didn’t German army already adopt HK P7?

            “There was not enough precision built into that gun to make it useful for anything beyond making noise.”

            No, it wasn’t built for sand bag range accuracy. Never was its purpose. But it was the most controllable gun when fired under combat conditions in rapid fire, with the best combat trigger in stock guns I’ve ever shot.

            Plus combat gun for a soldier in the field needs to be low maintain. It is the lowest maintain gun I have ever tried. I know two Army Rangers who love P5 for the reasons I stated above. One served in Gulf War. One did two tours in Afghanistan. They both valued easy control under rapid fire and low maintain far more important than pure sand bag accuracy.

            “If it can’t hit a mans head at 25 yards, just why have it.”

            It certainly could. The target that came with gun had 5 shot group of around 3 1/2″ Also, it was tested official in one of the Gun Digest books. The best 5 shot group in ransom or sand bag rest was 2 1/2″, the worst was about 4 1/2″.

            “It was a police pistol, but it simply failed in the market place.

            Didn’t German and Dutch police adopt them and kept them for a long time? I read that line officers greatly appreciated it. Only Walther going for new design made them switch in the end. Of course, they also adopted Sig Sauer P225 and HK P7 as well. Certainly not a bad company.

            The real reason for the ‘failure’ was because of its design, it could not accept double column magazine, and it was a little too expensive to produce, plus with the exception of P5C, it was bottom heel mag release. Americans love push button release near the slide release lever.

            It had nothing to do with the merit of the gun as a combat pistol.

            “How long did Walther catalog them? Two years in the US, except for Earls Repair. Used P5s don’t cost much, because they are so bad.”

            By that time, you know the wondernine crazy had hit the U.S. in full bloom. That and bottom mag release in most forms, plus its chunky slide didn’t endear for CCW crowd, either. Those were the reasons, nothing to do with its virtue as a pure combat pistol.

            “Even the P1 is superior.”

            How so? They use the basically the same design! In fact, P5 is more accurate, especially in rapid fire, because unlike P1, its front sight is firmly fixed to the slide toward muzzle end. It doesn’t jiggle like P1 in relation to the rear sight.

            P1’s front sight is fixed to the barrel, and barrel and slide fit in P1 is just as loose as P5, and as a result P1’s front sight doesn’t stay fixed in relation to the rear sight. The P1 front sight ‘wanders’ while shooting, especially in rapid fire in relatioin to the rear sight that fixed to the slide.

            Both P5’s front and rear sights are fixed to the slide, So they cannot ‘wander’ like P1, especially in rapid fire.

            Also, P5 has muzzle support built-in, that makes the muzzle a lot more stable in rapid fire. P1 doesn’t.

            “I had a Super PP in 9x18mm Ultra, that out performed the P5.”

            In slow fire accuracy at stationary target. Not combat accuracy while moving, shooting at a moving target.

          • Kivaari

            The P5 failed in the market place, when police and armies tested it. The few in German police amounted to zip. The P6 (SIG P225) was bought. The P7 (Squeeze cocker) shot well, but was expensive and had too many little parts. It too failed in the market. I had PP, PPK, P1 (P38) P3 (Astra, wartime order not delivered by Spain) Walther P4 and just about all of them until the P88. The P88 was a club. After the (French built) PP, Walther just couldn’t make a pistol that fit people hands. My last one, was PP bought at a PX in Germany. Most Walther’s for many years were made in France at Manurin. German police buy all kinds of pistols, and there wasn’t even a universal pistol. I find the Glock 17 to just about be perfect.

          • Hyok Kim

            “The P5 failed in the market place, when police and armies tested it.”

            P5 was loved by German and Dutch police, and they kept it till Walther discontinued it so that they could introduce new design that could accommodate double column mags more easily.

            “The few in German police amounted to zip. ”

            Several German Provincial Police, and the Dutch Police do not amount to zip.

            “The P6 (SIG P225) was bought.”

            ……..along with P5. All three of them passed the test.

            “The P7 (Squeeze cocker) shot well, but was expensive and had too many little parts.”

            I agree.

            “It too failed in the market.”

            NJ State Police adopted it. It did not fail, HK (just like Walther) decided to adopt new design so that they could produce one that could accommodate double column mags for average sized hand.

            “I had PP, PPK, P1 (P38) P3 (Astra, wartime order not delivered by Spain) Walther P4 and just about all of them until the P88. The P88 was a club. After the (French built) PP, Walther just couldn’t make a pistol that fit people hands.”

            I agree on P88 being a club. Too thick, and mediocre trigger, but exceeding accurate gun on sandbag.

            P5 had a great grip and feel.

            “I find the Glock 17 to just about be perfect.”

            I used to think so also. But Glock is striker fired. I find hammer fired guns to be more reliable ignition wise, which is very important for a civilian SD pistol.

          • Kivaari

            Well good. What German pistols of 30 years ago actually reached wide spread use? Just about none of them. NJSP used P7s for how many officers and for how long? Not many officers nor years.
            A striker fired Glock 17 is about the most reliable pistol I ever owned. We did not have issues with failure to fire. I stopped logging my rounds fired in my issue pistol at circa 22,000 rounds.
            Ammo issues, like a double charge, did sting the hand of a fellow officer. But he continued shooting. When cleaning the pistol it did have a cracked frame.

          • Hyok Kim

            “Well good. What German pistols of 30 years ago actually reached wide spread use? Just about none of them. ”

            Sig Sauer?

            “NJSP used P7s for how many officers and for how long? Not many officers nor years”

            The entire NJSP, for about 18 years.

            “A striker fired Glock 17 is about the most reliable pistol I ever owned”

            NYSP requested heavier trigger due to light and standard trigger losing the spring pressure too soon for ignition reliability. It’s a well-known problem, and Glock accommodated it.

            Striker fired pistols before WW2 were notorious for lack of durability due to spring losing its force fast when left cocked. Some of the Korean assassins botched their jobs during 1920s. I found out they all used striker fired pistols.

            .”We did not have issues with failure to fire. I stopped logging my rounds fired in my issue pistol at circa 22,000 rounds.
            Ammo issues, like a double charge, did sting the hand of a fellow officer. But he continued shooting. When cleaning the pistol it did have a cracked frame.”

            Glock has been known to be unreliable if not holding the gun frame real tight. That’s why there is an aftermarket Glock metal frame instead of plastic frame.

            Glock is the best bang for the buck gun for arming the masses in a hurry. But it’s not the best combat pistol there is. There are better options out there, especially for the civilian SD, who generally do not have a back-up.

          • Kivaari

            How many police used the P7? 2000 in NJ, and HK had to re-tool to fill an order. Since it was no longer cataloged. About a dozen motor officers in Bellevue used them, but they had a huge budget.

          • Hyok Kim

            “How many police used the P7? 2000 in NJ, and HK had to re-tool to fill an order.” – Kivaari

            “The P7 (Squeeze cocker) shot well, but was expensive and had too many little parts. It too failed in the market.” – Kivaari

            Strange reasoning, would you re-tool to fill an order for a product that failed in the market?

            Btw. German army adopted P7, that’s a nice of chunk change. Plus Greek and Mexican army, another nice chunk of change. Would you call that failure at the market?

          • Kivaari

            NO military has adopted the P7 in any quantity beyond testing and issuing to select groups. Neither the Greek nor Mexican governments are dumb enough to re-arm with P7s. You will see mostly Berretta M92 or Glocks in wide use. It’s like saying the Browning HP is the most issued military pistol, when that market dried up 30 years ago.

          • Hyok Kim

            “NO military has adopted the P7 in any quantity beyond testing and issuing to select groups.”

            Okay, so issuing and adopting are not the same thing?

            “Neither the Greek nor Mexican governments are dumb enough to re-arm with P7s”

            …..but that is not issue here. You claimed P7 failed at the market and no military adopted it, but it was. The reason why it’s not likely to be adopted is mainly due to the cost because more cost effective alternatives are available today that was not available back then.

            .”You will see mostly Berretta M92 or Glocks in wide use. It’s like saying the Browning HP is the most issued military pistol, when that market dried up 30 years ago.”

            …….but that’s not what I said. Why are you pretending I said something I had not said?

            You claimed HK P7 failed at the market. I said it didn’t. They were discontinued because more cost effective solution became available that was not available when Hk P7 was introduced.

            This is what you said.

            “The P7 (Squeeze cocker) shot well, but was expensive and had too many little parts. It too failed in the market.” – Kivaari

            …and this is what I said in response.

            “NJ State Police adopted it. It did not fail, HK (just like Walther) decided to adopt new design so that they could produce one that could accommodate double column mags for average sized hand.” – Hyok Kim

            “How many police used the P7? 2000 in NJ, and HK had to re-tool to fill an order.” – Kivaari

            “The P7 (Squeeze cocker) shot well, but was expensive and had too many little parts. It too failed in the market.” – Kivaari

            Strange reasoning, would you re-tool to fill an order for a product that failed in the market?

          • Kivaari

            This is getting painful. What pistol does the United states issue? Well we know they use mostly M9s, M10, M11, Glock 17, Sig P226,
            HK in .45, with Marines having a few thousand M45. Just because a nation buys a few of this or that doesn’t mean a lot. When El Salvador bought some P7s for military police, and found them unfired next to PM officers, it came out witnesses said the PM fumbled with the pistols. HK retooled, because NJ couldn’t find what they wanted, HK in a PR move tried to not make negative waves.
            You should understand that armies and navies and police around the world buy pistols and rifles in mindless fashion. When the US aid is sent somewhere, it can be as few as 10 rifles or pistols.
            When you watch the news from overseas, look at how logistics must be an insane job. India is an example where you see soldiers and police with AKs, SKSs, G3s, M16A1s, M4s, No. 4s and semi-auto pistols and revolvers – so what do they issue? Greek soldiers have an assortment of British and US arms dating from 1945 (and earlier for No.3s.
            Mexcico has an equally huge assortment of rifles and pistols.
            Special units may be packing M4s, G36s, G3s, Glocks, Sigs, Colts, S&W and more. Look at what Spanish police use. Even when Spain was a volume producer of rifles and handguns many weapons were acquired outside of Spain. What does Spain issue? Go to Brazil and what do they use? Dozens of types. The land of the Taurus pistols that shot with a simple shaking.
            How many P7 pistols were sold to governments? In the scheme of things almost none.
            I’d venture a guess that there are more Glocks in service world wide, except for Russia and China. What guns are issued to Russians? The list is long.
            When the US Army buys 5,000 Ruger P95s, they aren’t for us, they are for Afghanistan. What rifles do Iraq and Afghanistan use? Well, just about every thing. When it comes to handguns, the mix gets huge.
            Now, I have had enough in regards to the P7. They are historical and contributed little to any army.

          • Kivaari

            Pistols need accuracy to be useful. Burst fire is for machineguns. The P1 was more accurate. I liked the heel mage release. I liked the single column magazine, like the current popular single stack 9mm Glock 43. My early P7 had a heel magazine release. It shot very well. The P4 had a much more elaborate chunk of iron at the front of the barrel. Some called it a machinists dream, I found it to be just the opposite. Eliminating excess machine work lowers the price. It is why simple designs, needing little machining own the market. Compare the machine hours needed for the Walthers v. SIGs v. Glock. Even with modern robotic machines, the elimination of effort and time favors simple pistols. A Walther anything is over engineered, as if the designers wanted more wasted time. They have jobs of longer duration if they can stretch out the work. Compare the Berretta M9, that uses a P38/P1 locking system. Notice the front of the barrel doesn’t have that glob of metal hanging out there.
            Throwing bullets in the general direction of an enemy, is more effective, if a bullet hits them.

          • That may also be true because many people are building their own AR’s Phil.

          • I certainly build my own.

          • Kivaari

            Wal Mart is reactive. A year after the other stores start selling MSRs in good numbers WM jumps in. Like the survival foods they had. A shelf set up, stuff sold, but just not fast enough. Gone, and replaced with potato chips and beer.

          • The Brigadier

            Yes and they are also replacing everything with candy, pastry and other sugar loaded goodies. Is it any wonder our populace is getting fatter?

      • skusmc

        Pretty much this. There is a huge market glut on AR’s right now after the scares of the last few years saw prices sky high. If you’ve ever worked in retail, it depends on consistently selling a huge amount of goods at consistent prices. The AR market has been anything but consistent lately. It probably really was more trouble to Walmart than benefit.

        • rifflizard

          What about accessories? There`s a TON of money in accessories! It`s all political CRAP. Especially when talking about accessories for ALL tactical rifles, and shotguns.

          • Timothy

            Most AR accessories sold in Walmart are low quality ones…I doubt people serious in spending on tactical gear goes Walmart.

          • Kivaari

            The local WM took anything that could be called self defense oriented out of the shelves. I talked to the local guy at WM, a rare but gun smart clerk, and he said the sales were still good. That is in North Idaho, where guns are common and crime is low.

      • Mi

        Prices way down? So what. Look at the prices of most rifles. Even $500 is more than many of those and the AR is easier to build. When was the last time you went into their pathetic stores and didn’t find empty shelves or shelf after shelf stocked with the exact same item but not what you need. Walfart is pathetic and this is BS. Walfart contributes a very TINY amount of SPACE for firearms and the AR was only a fraction of that. Think about it. – A FORMER WALMART ASSISTANT STORE MANAGER

        • rifflizard

          You are 100% correctamundo!

        • The Brigadier

          Prices are down on a lot of things except for food, which continues to skyrocket up. This doesn’t bode well for our future.

      • The Brigadier

        So true. I just bought a Smith & Wessen M&P AR15 with Magpul sights for $530 including shipping. It did include one Gen 2 PMAG also. How can WM compete with this?

    • gunsandrockets

      Yes, the double-talk is thick here. If this decision by Walmart was truly based on market forces and customer desires, then how in holy hell could this decision be “permanent”?

      • raz-0

        Well, for one, the stuff they are focusing on sells like poop compared to handguns and MSRs. Which means they can bend the suppliers over on pricing. ARs move more units, at lower margins with more of the market being driven by smaller companies that will walk out on walmart rather than figure out a way to meet their price point.

        With the market consolidation for the bigger brands, and colt bowing out, remington/dpms/bushmaster being one and the same, and S&W and ruger being the only remotely healthy big manufacturers with an AR, I don’t see that formula changing in the near future. They also make money by bending people over for long term contracts. The volatility of the AR market is not conducive to that playing out well. Posts on this topic elsewhere indicate that walmart cahing in on the boom wasn’t necessarily done on their usual rock bottom FU pricing terms, and they got burned. Which is anathema to walmart strategy.

        • Sianmink

          Wal-Mart doesn’t have enough pull to do its usual aggressive pricing strategy with MSRs and personal defense shotguns. There is no reason for S&W and other companies, especially the smaller manufacturers, to cut their margins like Wallyworld wants, because they can sell their entire manufacturing capacity to their usual distribution network and keep their margins intact. Why would they give that up just to be sold at Wal-Mart?

        • M40

          I believe you’re correct. Add in the fact that the percentage of Wal-Marts that even sell guns is dropping precipitously. I can see them bowing out of that market completely at some point in the future.

          I have a friend in Wally-World’s management chain. He tells me his branch stopped selling guns and ammunition based on not being able to keep up on all the laws or to properly staff the counter. Figure you’d need at LEAST 3 dedicated gun counter employees filling various day, night and weekend shifts. They would all need to be well trained in licenses and all the forms and procedures to sell guns, ammunition, etc. There’s a complicated MESS of federal and state laws to navigate and stay abreast of.

          At his branch, they were down to 1 guy who was qualified to man shifts at the gun counter. That brought gun counter time down to 40 hours a week. Whenever he was out sick or on vacation, they’d be forced to close the gun counter completely. It became a nightmare. Local (dedicated) gun shops were beating them on selection, and sometimes even price. They simply closed it down, and more and more Wal-Marts are doing the same.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            The employees also need to actually know about guns which are complicated enough. Training them is another extra expense. And there might also be liability issues with an unqualified employee giving bad information to customers.

          • M40

            True… if they stick to a limited selection of bolt action rifles and a few shotguns, the expertise needed at the counter is minimal. It also allows them to purchase those types in huge volumes which suits their business model. Even then, you can’t just hire someone off the street. You need someone fairly well versed in guns and who is responsible enough to handle the paperwork that goes with them.

          • Thomas Petrik

            Know about the guns that is funny. Heck most of the chains that sale guns the only thing the clerk knows is how to feel out paper work. To get info you need to go to gun shop.

          • Which most employees behind the counter don’t know about guns. The last ammo I bought the guy from the paint department got the ammo for me.

          • Kivaari

            My local WM had a few great “associates”, that actually knew the product. It was a rarity in big box stores. It is also why the local WM had great sales. I bought 5.56mm ammo from them. The Perfecta .223 is superior in my rifles. The best groups I had from non-match ammo. Well, except for the Herter’s brand in the early ’70s, made by Norma.

          • We have one lady at ours that knows her business but that’s about it.

          • BigR

            ……and wally world doesn’t want employees that are too smart! The less training they have to do, the more their bottom line drops. They don’t give a rats azz about the consumer, just their bottom line!

          • Kivaari

            The key is recognizing those that are already smart.

          • Joe Snurrggles

            Bs

          • itsmefool

            Now that makes sense!

        • Wyatt90

          Also, I don’t know if it has anything to do with their decision, but I’ve only really seen colts in my local wal-mart and colt is filing for bankruptcy. You think it could be related?

      • J.E.Walker

        Exactly.

      • Rusty Shackleford

        Knowing Wal-Mart and their low-brow clientele, I wouldn’t be surprised if this actually was an economical move, rather than a political.
        They don’t sell high-end ARs and the ARs they do sell are poorly priced.

        The AR market is a very competitive market and the low-end have small profit margins. Many gun companies aren’t going to bend to Wallyworld’s will. As for “home defense” shotguns…I don’t know anyone who actually bought one…

        Their fudd selection is pretty well priced and decent

        • Kivaari

          “low-brow clientele”. Seriously, they do attract some odd people, but everyone shops at WM. What store that wants to sell goods, filters out the low-brow customers?

          • Many people have no choice in shopping for say groceries at Wal-Mart. I know of one city that had several locally owned grocery stores. After Wal-Mart starting selling groceries at low prices all of the local stores closed. The only place to buy food in that city of 35,000 or so is Wal-Mart.

          • Kivaari

            We only have 13,000 people countywide. Down from 23,000 30 years ago. We have a WalMart Super store in the smallest incorporated city, a real low end town. Yet, none of the other grocery stores closed. Walmart is usually 5-15 miles from the other towns, so people do the math, figuring gas and time, so they support the overpriced local stores. One store within eyesight of WM, actually specialized in fine meat. They grabbed a big market.
            None of the sporting goods outlets shut down. What makes a difference is the small store operators know the business unlike most big box store clerks. I know when I had my last store I still owned the gun market for quite a radius. The personality of the owner, can effect sales up or down. I do know in my first year I had 50% of what the other independent competition had done in the previous year. His business went down, not because of WM, but in spite of it. He hated WM and would not do gunsmith work on guns bought at WM (most were obvious WM variants or the customer said where they bought them). I on the other hand viewed those guns as wonderful money makers. We had to find our niche. Doing used guns, always gives the other stores an edge over WM-type stores.

          • Hyok Kim

            Do Walmart sell used guns? I, for one, have never bought a gun brand new in my life. Always could get a far better deal by buying used ones, especially local gunsmith owned gunshops who would give me free service if the gun bought turned out to have a problem.

          • Kivaari

            No. Used guns require several things not common to big box stores. The buyer (the store) needs to know what they are looking at, and recognize defects. Many used guns are defective. Many guns, in some markets, are stolen. Dealing with police and needing to send employees to court as witnesses, sucks resources. I used to get a few stolen guns from well know good customers that bought them at gun shows. Even police officers buy stolen guns. All gun stores that deal in used guns buys stolen guns. It can be costly.
            I would not expect any box store to deal in used, unless they have a skilled staff. Like Cabela’s where they keep smart gun people.
            But Cabela’s screws the customer, reaming them for every cent. When a store does that, they lose customers. I let them take me, once following the death of a child. I’ve never bought another gun there, nor many accessories. I’ve found a small local dealer that treats me very well. 75% of what I now have has come from that dealer. Almost everything I trade or sells goes to him The others to family and long time friends.

          • No strictly new guns. Some are modified from the factory to reduce the cost.

          • Hyok Kim

            Well, then no loss for me. I didn’t know since I have never shopped in Walmart in my life. I patronize local shops, and oriental stores. Walmart doesn’t have the oriental selections and usually too far away from where I live. Whatever I would save in groceries, I would have to spend extra in gas, time, energy, wear and tear, and additional risk for accidents, overall not worth it.

          • TBW

            Not “everyone” shops at WM! I despise the Chinese outlet and will go without before I step foot in one. I will park my RV in their parking lots and allow my dogs to relieve themselves on their lawns but never will I venture inside… Not even for free .22 ammo…

    • RegT

      I agree. While I am certain they can justify _some_ marketing/sales issues, the fact that _all_ “tactical” firearms and all “tactical” accessories clearly indicates it is significantly political. Sales for accessories certainly, since they are quite popular, especially with new AR owners who need risers and other items to set their ARs up to work efficiently. When you throw in another market they are abandoning that is popular – .22LR models of MSRs – it becomes glaringly obvious.

      There aren’t enough purely “sports” shooters buying their guns and gear at Walmart to justify such a policy. Walmart won’t take a big hit by doing this, but hopefully they will lose some shoppers who are disgusted by this PC behavior.

      • M40

        There’s literally hundreds of companies competing in the ‘black rifle’ market, with both AR’s and “tacti-clones” in other calibers. That means profit margins are razor thin.

        However, Wally-World can go to Remington or Winchester and bargain standard shotguns and rifles down to $50 a pop, because they’re buying mega-lots of THOUSANDS at a time.

        Add to this that the “tactical” market (because of all the competition) moves quickly. The latest and greatest gun of the month, becomes yesterday’s news within a few months. This also doesn’t work out so well with a retailer that wants to buy thousands of guns at a time.

        Finally, your average Wal-Mart shopper isn’t plunking down a thousand bucks on an AR. He’s buying that $200 shotgun for deer season. The guys buying the high-end guns are going to their favorite shop… or buying online and routing through their local FFL.

        • Cymond

          But no more 18″ Mossbergs? Is Mossberg cutting prices for WalMart on their hunting models while holding firm on the shorter barrels? And no more lookalike rimfires? I wonder if they’ll drop the airsoft stuff next.

          • Kivaari

            The “home defense shotguns” are too mean looking for Wal Mart shoppers. Since they are “designed to kill”, too many ignorant customers were offended by the concept that killing guns had to go. Shooting duck and bucks is still OK some places.

          • Cymond

            Yeah, that’s what I figured. It makes sense that AR-15s aren’t selling well right now, and they generally don’t have wide profit margin. That’s not true for the rest of what they’re dumping.

          • Kivaari

            I stopped by Wal Mart this morning. The gun clerk, one that actually knows his stuff, said AR sales had been high in this North Idaho store. The local crew was not happy with corporate heads caving on the issue. There will be “nothing” resembling self defense in Wal Mart stores.

        • Kivaari

          They even had Weatherby’s. All of them had electric pen marking of 2nd class. Marked on the left bolt rail at the magazine. Most looked pretty good. Weatherby secret is they “test fired and grouped” each rifle. Well all .300 test targets were from targets shot 100 at a time from the same rifle. We even had one come in without a chamber, but with a test target. The factory representative gave an “off the record” confirmation. They were not alone, we had Navy Arms M66 in .38 Special without a chamber. A couple years ago I ordered an H&R .357 rifle. It came in with no rifling. After 3 of them were ordered. all had firing pins at least three times longer than is safe. Each needed gun smithing to fix and make safe. There are still defective rifles and shotguns being sold today. Be careful. Look for recall notices.

    • Pranqster

      It sounds like Wal-Mart is the “Liberal Chode.” I bet they know that trailer park republiclans put money ahead of principles and won’t stop shopping there.

      • Kivaari

        That would be trailer park democrats. Republicans earn money, low end democrats live on government handouts. Where are the welfare takers?

        • Hyok Kim

          You mean Rockefeller Republicans? Republicans who earn money tend to be Rockefeller Republicans.

          • Kivaari

            No most of those are RINOs. Solid middle class working people are smart enough to shun democrats.

          • Hyok Kim

            You mean welfare Conservatives like those in the deep South who hate big government, except when ‘acts of God’ like Hurricane comes around?

          • Kivaari

            I’ve not met any of those people. I live in the PNW where the welfare class is composed of leftist. It is a symptom common to the left coast (west of the mountain chains running north to south. East of the mountains where most are conservative in thought and practice, shows few welfare types. When those are found, they are transplants from leftist zones. They are encouraged to go back to where they sneak from. We do end up with a higher percentage of older people that have worked their lives hard and earned a retirement. We get quite a few Hollywood-types, that find other Hollywood-types to be too liberal and too airheaded to be around.

    • Cymond

      I can now virtually prove that it’s political, not political.

      They claim that they’re discontinuing modern guns and defensive/tactical guns to make room for more traditional hunting guns, because that’s what sells best.
      Bull!
      I was in WalMart today and saw this. http://prime-guard.com/collections/frontpage/products/less-than-lethal-shotgun It wasn’t there last time I went by the gun case a few weeks ago. When was the last time you saw significant demand for a less-lethal ‘shotgun’ made in China?

      I think it says a lot that they got rid of all the normal defensive guns and have a less-lethal thing from China. To me, it shows that their official explanation is a complete lie.

    • Wyatt90

      The people that will be most happy with this decision to not stock any “assault firearms” are the same people who look down their noses the most at wal-mart anyways. I don’t see wal-mart really gaining anything from this.

    • MIstwalker

      Political and economic aren’t entirely separable. I would suspect that economics are behind this choice, but not entirely in the way they suggest. I have a hard time believing Walmart gives a crap about people’s feelings on these guns unless it’s affecting their bottom line.

      I would suspect that it has nothing to do with sales of these particular rifles dropping, but rather their sales dropping, or fearing their sales will drop, from the negative image that selling these rifles garners for a store that isn’t primarily a gun store.

      If you run a gun store, it doesn’t matter what people who hate evil black rifles think of your stock, because they don’t buy anything from your store anyway. But at Walmart, it does matter, because guns are only a tiny part of what they have for sale.

      So yeah, I think it’s a choice based around sales, just not the sales of the “tactical” guns in question.

    • Kivaari

      The customer feed back (complaints) is behind it. If sales are down, and people are sending angry letters, it was easier to drop selling them. Locally they were still selling.

  • sam

    Your call, Walmart.

  • Lance

    Walmart is a bunch of cowards to American Democrat fascists!!!

    • Brocus

      you are a caricature

      • ghost

        Is that something like an idiot?

        • Hyok Kim

          more like a troll.

  • Anonymous

    It’s political, plain and simple. There was an interview with the CEO McMillon a few months ago where he flat-out admits that they should ditch semi-auto rifle sales. I can’t find it online at the moment, but it’s a candid moment that made it clear this day was coming. Undoubtedly sales are down, so there isn’t a pressing financial incentive to stock ARs. The decision itself has to be political in nature, since a slump in sales doesn’t give cause to ditch entire product lines.

    • mig1nc

      Agreed. If it was purely financial then they would be open to bringing back the products in the future. Purely financial decisions are never “forever”.

  • MrEllis

    I haven’t really shopped there since Sam Walton passed away. As a liberal I like small businesses and am rarely seen outside family owned gun shops. The one I buy from now I know the entire family that works it and they beat prices by default. Also, the owner never gouged during the ammo shortage. Even if they were more expensive I’d buy from them at this point.

    • Hyok Kim

      Where is this business located?

      • MrEllis

        The town I live in. It’s called Gun Pro Shooting Supplies.

        • Hyok Kim

          No surprise! I used to live in Oregon myself. I found overall business in Oregon tend to be more or less like this one. Here in Nebraska, people pay lip service to good value, but don’t tend to deliver.

          In Oregon, family business means people will work even harder because they’re family. Here in Nebraska, family business means one can slack off because they’re family.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Who cares, I don’t shop at Walmart anyway.
    Made in America my a-s. 99%of their products are made in China.

  • Nicholas Panich

    The walmarts (at least out by me) have even discontinued the sale of airsoft rifles or pellet guns that look like AR’s that points political to me.

  • DW

    They voluntarily gave up on the AR15 and defense shotgun market, which should be good to small gunshops that actually know a thing about firearms.

  • kbroughton77

    Generally try to avoid buying certain things from Wal-Mart, guess I’ll be adding ammo and firearm accessories to that list

  • Jeff Smith

    Some people got a pretty awesome discount during this. They had all of their ARs marked down several hundred dollars.

    • Jeff Smith

      Also, I can’t help but wonder if Walmart’s decision to stop selling accessories was based on their sales. Their Blackhawk and other accessories always seemed significantly overpriced compared to other companies, especially if you looked online at other retailers. One of their “tactical” AR adjustable stocks was about $100. Blackhawk slings were in the $30 range if I remember correctly. AR riser mounts were $50. Those prices are well beyond anything found at my local gun shops.

      • Bill

        And Blackhawk(!) isn’t what it used to be and is spiraling closer and closer to paintball quality.

  • datimes

    I believe the Wal-Mart bean counters are liars.

  • kregano

    I can believe the AR-15s weren’t profitable thing, because anyone who’s pretty gun and internet savvy knows you could build a basic, no frills AR for ~$300-$400 by searching for deals on complete uppers and lowers online. That was usually $200-$300 dollars cheaper than some of the basic ARs they had before the purge sale. The market is so flooded with AR parts that they probably would’ve been better off stocking AR-10s in stuff like .243 at slight discounts, because that would’ve at least differentiated them from the rest of the gun stores in the US market.

    That said, getting rid of the tactical shotguns sounds totally political and kind of pointless, because they’d get flack anyway if someone bought a shotgun from WalMart and shot a place up. I guess it might help them if they ever get sued or something.

  • BearSlayer338

    Who the heck shops at Wal-Mart anyway,its the about the last store I would ever choose to enter.

  • I’m really curious as to how many people will lose access to AR15s because Walmart stopped carrying them.

    • Sianmink

      I doubt many. There’s few towns where a Wal-Mart is the only new gun retailer.

    • Bill

      I was stunned when I saw one there anyway.

    • ZERO

  • Shayne

    I never could stand to shop at Wal-mart so no big deal for me. As for their reason, I would guess it was mostly market with a little political thrown in (Every Town will probably come out claiming a great victory).

    I have seen DPMS AR listed lower then AK here in Tennessee. The market is flooded with AR because so many cashed in on the buying scare. Talk to your local gun shops and see what guns are going out the door (the ones I have talked to said handguns are the big move).

  • Pete Sheppard

    I saw a few on clearance at the Greenville, AL store last week. It was hard to not snag one, even though my budget’s tight!

  • DetroitMan

    Meh, I don’t shop at Walmart anyway. I don’t believe that this was purely a financial decision, but I do think it’s a convenient excuse. The fact is that the bottom has fallen out of the AR-15 market and they are extremely cheap right now. Accessories can be bought on the Internet at cut rates if you’re willing to search and be patient. I think Walmart exiting the market for financial reasons is a half truth. They are kowtowing to the anti gunners, which is why this is a “permanent” decision. They are using the financial reality to save some face.

  • GPSrulz

    From an economic standpoint I agree with Wal-Mart based on their business model. They buy and sell in bulk. It becomes logistically problematic when states and counties with differing gun laws i.e. (these guns can be sold here but not there) and they must distribute accordingly. By going to a common denominator (i.e. bolt and pump traditional rifles and shotguns), they are sticking to the business model that made them successful. Not to mention, they have plenty of competition in tactical gear from on-line stores. If Wal-Mart feels they cannot compete, they leave that market.

  • Gabriel

    So that’s why my Walmart was clearing out all the AR15s for $250 each last Saturday. Oh, how sad…

  • Darhar M.

    Must be a location thing for big sales of ARs and Self-defense shotguns because the local Walmart here has sold 3 since carrying them last year. Prices were higher then online and their lack of any quantity and variation of addons caused them to discontinue that stuff months ago.

    I will continue to do as I have done all along. Shop online, ship to FFL, and buy bulk ammo online and shipped to me.

  • javierjuanmanuel

    I do not believe if they stocked somethinh like the sw mp15 sport, the inexpensive one, a nicer $850, and something nicer they order for you but do not stock.

    Ad one ar10 from dpms, they will sell.

    Also, they can and should order them, they no doubt chased out the local sports store and hardware store that carried rifles.

  • Andrew Miller

    Why anybody bought guns from ChinaMart is beyond me.
    “Sales are final, warranties with the manufacturer, get out of our store with that icky gun.”
    God forbid you ever have a problem, you’d have to go to an actual “gun store” to have them ship it anyplace, even for a warranty. And what do you save? Very little. Support local gun stores, they’re more likely to “service you after the sale” and probably have somebody who isn’t “filling in from housewares” behind the desk.

    • anonymous

      “Sales are final, warranties with the manufacturer”

      That’s pretty much the policy of most gun stores around here, not just Walmart.

      • Hyok Kim

        Not gunsmith owned shops. I basically stick to gunsmith owned shops and their used guns sections.

  • Armand Fight

    I think you missed an opportunity here. I would have asked him for a list of the new hunting guns they plan on carrying on how quickly they will show up in stores. Somehow I doubt he would have been able to give you an answer.

    Maybe you could contact them again and ask?

  • Joshua

    The market is saturated with AR-15’s. They just aren’t selling for the most part right now. Everyone stocked up during the panic and bought so many guns as “insurance” that now no one needs them.

    Places like WalMart don’t carry products they can’t sell.

  • USMC03Vet

    What is a “traditional gun” these days? Sounds like they are specifically targeting a popular rifle pattern then dictating policy based upon its physical looks. Is the .223 a “traditional” caliber anymore in their eyes? How is a “modern” sporting rifle different from a regular sporting rifle? They are certainly blowing smoke here and their own statements are contradictory for their reasoning behind it.

    I suspect they’ll be stopping certain ammo sales as soon and maybe it will be even clearer regarding their intentions of policy change because it has zero to do with what sells.

    • jcitizen

      Since our state started allowing 5.56mm (.233cal) rifles for deer hunting now – that is all you see people using for hunting now. It was already king for rabbit and prairie dog hunting around here! Heck even the ammo was cheaper than .22 for a while around here also!

    • michael

      This may be happening as the result of the beavercreek, ohio walmart incident where a young man was talking on his phone & picked up an ar15 airsoft gun that had been taken outta of the package and left on a random shelf. Another customer called the police & next thing u know the young man is killed by police( armed with real ar15s). I live 20 minutes from this walmart & his father is a lawyer & there has been a public outcry over this ordeal.

  • Meat

    Walmart has caved to the anti-ammendmant crowd who is destroying our great nation everyday. Therefore I shall take my hard earned income elsewhere!

    • Tex

      I just hate to see what has happened to my country. I saved up enough money to buy my first hunting rifle when I was nine years old in 1965. My brother and I had a Dallas Time Herald paper route and saved about ten dollars each a month. Sears had model 94 Winchesters on sale for $69. I went into Sears to the sporting goods dept with my dad. He said “Tell the lady what you want son”. I did and she showed it to me. My dad said ” pay the lady ” and I did. She boxed it up and we left with it. A nine year old boy, buying a rifle with hard earned money, no gun control act of 68, no bs. FREEDOM. I walked out carrying the rifle. Was I proud. Back then we were a hunting, fishing, camping and shooting nation. Before the socialists and communists took over. Before anyone could sue anyone anytime for any reason. People would let you hunt, fish, hike, shoot and have fun on their land, now everyone is afraid they will be sued. Drug stores even sold guns. Now the libs want you to believe that shooters and hunters are evil and low life. I pray for a a Cruz, Huckabee, Trump or other conservative president, 67 votes in the senate and a solid majority in the house come 2017. I believe people are pissed off enough to make it happen.

  • Kurt Keeler

    I was going to buy an AR in a few weeks once I saved up enough money,,,,, now where will I find an AR if not at WalMart? Hardly anybody sells ARs,,,,, I mean, it’s not like you can go into any gunstore and get one or go to any print or online media that has classifieds and find several per page.

  • Tim Pearce

    Could also be that gun companies may be realizing that making a lower quality version of their guns, for Walmart to sell, may result in a worsening reputation. Reputation is important in the shooting community, especially these days with so many outlets to express yourself after a bad experience with such-and-such brand.
    Take Taurus, for example. There are gun owners that won’t touch one, regardless of any improvement in their quality (it does actually come and go), simply because “Bob had one of those and it couldn’t feed three rounds in a row!”
    Of all those people bemoaning the fate of Remington and Marlin of late, how many will be willing to buy from those brands, even if Freedom Group sells them off, or is, itself, sold off?
    The guns this article says Walmart is ceasing to sell are defense oriented. Reputation is especially important in that subset of the shooting market.

    • jcitizen

      You hit that right on the nail head! That is exactly what I’ve been seeing, and have for years!

    • Cymond

      It makes sense that we’re touchy about reputation. We don’t have many sources for objective comparisons & reviews, and guns are too expensive to just take a risk on throwing away our money.

      • Hyok Kim

        We have one here. Absolutely the most objective reviews (while not perfect) of firearms related site I have seen in my entire life. I no longer subscribe gun mags. and It’s free! I hope this site lasts as long as the owner wants to last.

        • Cymond

          Yeah, TFB is great about that. If they have a problem, they don’t hesitate to say so (even if some of their tests were brief during the ammo shortage). Still, their tests are somewhat limited are rarely test guns head-to-head. I really like direct comparisons. For example, I’m trying to find a review comparing the new Dead Air Mask-22 suppressor to the SilencerCo Sparrow.

          It seems that the best reviews are done by passionate gun aficionados like we have here and on some forums. Also, TFB has a great community in the comments. I often make the mistake of reading the comments on other websites because I forget that most website comment sections are horrid cesspools of trolls. Yeah, there are a few trolls here, like that Nazi guy, but TFB is usually really great.

          • Hyok Kim

            “Yeah, TFB is great about that. If they have a problem, they don’t hesitate to say so (even if some of their tests were brief during the ammo shortage). Still, their tests are somewhat limited are rarely test guns head-to-head. I really like direct comparisons. For example, I’m trying to find a review comparing the new Dead Air Mask-22 suppressor to the SilencerCo Sparrow.”

            Still, compared to typical gun mag ‘test’, this is a gem. I like the staff, all of them have something to contribute and I learn something useful from all of them, even though sometimes they say something I don’t agree with.

            I think the best of them all, is that guy from that brand new design subgun/carbine forum. I find all of his posts to be gem.

            “It seems that the best reviews are done by passionate gun aficionados like we have here and on some forums. Also, TFB has a great community in the comments. I often make the mistake of reading the comments on other websites because I forget that most website comment sections are horrid cesspools of trolls.”

            I don’t even bother with other gun forums ever since with this one.

            Yeah, there are a few trolls here, like that Nazi guy, but TFB is usually really great.”

            That’s news to me. I don’t even know who that is. So far I found only three trolls here, which is amazing.

  • I have 46 chromosomes so I’m not allowed to shop at Wal-Mart anyways.

    • The 9th and last sign

      How do the additional 2 come into play?

  • J.E.Walker

    Total BS answer and everyone knows it.

  • Kelly Jackson

    Of course it’s political, are you seriously going to tell me people don’t buy Mossbergs and Remingtons with an 18.5 barrel at Wal-Mart?

    • Chuck J

      Indeed. Those hunting/defense combo packs are very popular.

  • J.E.Walker

    All the more reason to show love to your local gun shop. At least they won’t abandon us when liberal loony “moms” start to scream.

  • Ken

    LOL, “we’ll discontinue sale of any .22 that’s black and looks scary.” God people are so damn stupid.

  • Matt R

    Oh well, I guess I will continue not shopping there. At least they are still selling sporting guns, go Fud-mart!

  • Sivispace

    What Wal-Mart is saying is true. The market for AR-15 style rifles is flat at best. Many newcomers entered the AR market after President Obama was elected. That flooded the market and drove prices down. Many of those companies have closed. Retail space is at a premium and it makes no business sense to eat up display space with items that don’t sell.

    • Cymond

      Do you think that holds true for rimfire lookalikes, 18.5″ shotguns, and accessories?

      • Sivispace

        Yes. According to the article all tactical guns and accessories are being discontinued. There might be some good bargains to be had in the short term.

  • DIR911911 .

    who buys guns at walmart , I avoid even going there for toilet paper.

  • LetsTryLibertyAgain

    Talking to a company spokesperson is the best that can be done to get the official word from the company, but their job and the truth aren’t exactly on speaking terms. They tell you what the company wants you to hear.

    I had recently quit trying to buy ammo at Walmart, and that was what got me into Walmart to buy other stuff. I’ll now get ALL of that other stuff at Amazon and local grocery stores. I’ll not darken Walmart’s sliding doors ever again. No more waiting 15 minutes for an associate to open the ammo cabinet, and no more being treated like a shoplifter as I stand in line on the way out the door to have my receipt compared to the items in my bag.

    Walmart’s only value to the American shooting community is cheap 22 LR ammo that they sell to scuzzy vultures who mark it up threefold to sell at gun shows. I wish they’d do us a real favor and get completely out of the guns and ammo business.

  • jimney

    Hillary Clinton served on their board. They made a strategic agreement with Dems based on their bet that Hillary would be the next President. Provide a pay increase to their workers and stop selling AR’s in return for support of the business by Democrats to include future pressure to allow workers to join unions. This is simple, if you don’t like the policy, shop elsewhere and make sure you let Wal-Mart know this. After all, the transcript above points out that their decision was made based on customer feedback so let’s see if they can stay true to being customer focused.

  • Karl Spencer

    Makes no difference to me. I don’t buy guns or ammo at Walmart. In fact I buy very little there. I don’t like their politics.

  • smartacus

    WalMart is gonna be in Deep Sht.
    The 45th President already has a plan for 25% tariffs on Made In China as early as 2017

  • Lobo

    I think Wal Mart is caving in to Obama and his Home land (NO ) security group of thugs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Swarf

      Those are George Bush’s Homeland Security thugs.

    • Grindstone50k

      You’re short a couple exclamation points. Also a something else, but that’s beside the point.

  • Reginald Pettifogger

    Walmart soon to announce relocation of HQ to Los Angeles./s

    • Blaser270

      Quite a good line but I doubt if those law skirting jackasses will go to Kalifornia where they’ll get hit with real taxes! They might love the liberals but not enough to pay what it cost to put a company there. Arkansas has probably given them enough silver spoons to keep them hitched there for a long time.

      The reference to the law skirting bit was how they work their employees. Just enough hours to keep them coming back but not enough income so they qualify for government handouts and freebies. WE supplement their employees paychecks with free or subsidized housing, free medical, food stamps, etc. Walmart is about as low life a company as there is.

      Now the sportsmen and gun owners need to pull their business completely from Walmart and support the other stores that cater to our needs. Quit supporting them and let them see what it feels like to not have it their way.

      • jcitizen

        Sam Walton started in Arkansas, but I’m sure he’s been turning over in his grave the way they’ve run it every since!

        • Having known Mr. Sam well I can promise you he is spinning like a top!

          • jcitizen

            I used to guard a helicopter pad at a maintenance center and Sam was a school chum of the boss – we got to visit with him when he made surprise fly-in visits to the San Antonio stores. He was quite a guy, and I had a lot of respect for him, and how he treated his veteran employees; he was the consummate patriot!

          • Agreed. I first met Mr. Sam as people called him when I was 9 and he had a dime store. I always respected him and just plain liked the man. He was dedicated to selling American products before that was even a rallying cry in the US.
            He used to fly into the local airport near where I lived. I’d get a call from Mr. Sam and ask if I could pick him up. Of course. I’d get him and a couple of others and drop them off at the stores. Later i’d take them back to his twin engine Piper and back to Bentoniville they would go.
            On a sad note when his cancer spread and he was in his last few weeks I provided security for him and his wife while he was in the University of Arkansas Medical Center. He actually had death threats when the poor man was dying.
            They were nice people and Sam was down to earth as could be. Proud to have known him so long.

          • jcitizen

            Some times he’d have a helicopter fly him directly to the parking lot of the store he was visiting. They even had an FAA approved landing plot near the store in my home town. He was definitely amazing!

          • He was indeed!

      • Reginald Pettifogger

        As a resident of CA, I fully know why they would not come here.
        Which is why I included the “/s” as a postscript.

        The point is, that with current management, it’s not “Sam’s Company” any longer, and they’ve stopped trying to pretend that it is.

  • Robert

    This is perfect, now I have ZERO reasons to go into Wallyworld.

  • Johnny Red

    This Walmart Rep should be a politician based upon “a decision made by our customers request we sell more traditional guns and accessories”. Lying is difficult for most morally stable people and so revealed in attempts to maintain those standards.

  • Mark S

    If it’s a permanent decision it cannot be a financial decision. Unless, the ‘financial’ aspect was the the potential boycott of Walmart by those who don’t want them to sell ‘tactical’ anything. The spokesman was being less than forthright in his response.

  • Just say’n

    My local Walmart was blowing out their Blackhawk stuff the other day (adjustable carbine stock for $12.99 iirc). Wondered why, thanks for the info TFB!

  • Kevin Riley

    I think a great follow up question to this inquiry would have been, “Why is Walmart shipping 50 BMG ammo to so many stores? I can see the sporting use against a bear or a velociraptor at a distance but not much else in the US.

    • jcitizen

      You could say that, but there is nothing more fun than to compete with others on the NRA standard 1000 meter shoot here in my state. Joining the 50 Caliber Shooters Association (FCSA) can be rewarding as well. I do realize the point you are making though.

    • My local Wal-Mart just got a bunch of 45-70 ammo in.

  • jcitizen

    All the better for small dealers, who couldn’t compete with Wally World anyway. I support the mom and pop gun stores. Besides, I get better support, they have on call gunsmiths, and a much better selection than stinking Walmart! Also, I’ve never seen a gun sold here locally that wasn’t missing a part, or had obvious manufacturing shortcuts compared to regular brick and mortar gun shops. This kind of news makes me happy, as I don’t want them to make money off our backs when they will just stab us in the back the first chance they get!

    • Hyok Kim

      Don’t forget the used gun selections, and free repair if it has a problem within reasonable period.

      • jcitizen

        True!

  • Blaser270

    FWIW I recently found that Walmart’s in house Wi-Fi will not let you go to any gun related sites. The nanny state mentality is in full gear at Walmart. I was going to check a item I was watching on Gunbroker and it came up on my phone that it was a blocked site.

    If they are going to support the left then it’s time we quit supporting them as much as humanly possible. Unfortunately in many areas they are the largest and best stocked stores about but it’s time that they learn some lessons. We might not win but we can certainly help them slim down a little!

    • jcitizen

      I discourage all I meet to quit buying from Walmart. The funny part is when my associates do listen to my advice, then call me in surprise to announce the prices are cheaper at competitors anyway. I just shake my head and say, “I told you so!”

    • Tex

      I’ll be 59 in October. When I was a boy in grade and middle school I went to Gibson’s to buy firearms and ammunition. Gibson’s started restricting what guns the sporting goods manager could order [ no special orders ], so the sporting goods manager left and opened his own gun shop. Gibson’s is now out of business. I have shopped at my local Walmart for years, but they are not the great deal store they once were. 5 years ago pasta was 3 lbs for a dollar. Now it;s a dollar a pound. The examples go on and on. Online retailers are eating their lunch in both quality and pricing. I have got to the point I hate going to any big box stores. There is more availability, better pricing and no sales tax available on most items and shipped free to my door. For years I could buy bricks of 22 lr at Walmart for around $17.00. I have not been able to buy a single box for years. I no longer even waste my time looking and Walmart is no longer my first choice for shopping. Many of their employees are one step above high school drop outs. High minimum wages, Obama care, ridiculously high taxes lawsuits, etc, make it hard for the big box stores to hire good help. I watched two young men in Home Depot trying to open a box with box cutters they other day, it was like a monkey —-ing a football. Public education teaches pc bull—-, not how to actually do something like a shop class where you learn how to use a knife. I would not be surprised to see Walmart go the way of Gibson’s.

      • anonymous

        High minimum wages, Obama care, ridiculously high taxes lawsuits, etc, make it hard for the big box stores to hire good help.

        Yes, if only Walmart paid their employees less, they’d attract better workers.

        • MrEllis

          We’ve been supporting Wal-Mart employees for decades.

      • I remember Gibsons in Missouri growing up. They did have a lot of guns at one time.

    • Grindstone50k

      You used Walmart Wifi? Wow, that’s certainly brave of you.

  • Anthony “stalker6recon”

    The century of cowardice continues!

    Pretty soon, libs will be demanding wal-fart stops selling beef (you know, global warming), and they will cave quicker than congress when obama wags his finger and says “it’s a good deal!”

    • michael

      The reason for .22 shortage is because everyone bought up the larger calibers during ban panic. In order for manufacturers to get ammo back on shelves they stopped producing .22. Funfact. .22 bullets cost the same to produce as 9mm. bullets. So what would u produce if u were in the bullet business? Make 22 rounds with no profit margin or 9mm & make a profit. Finally the panic died down & we see a tad bit more 22 on the shelves.

  • Tim Barrera

    I call BS here! Customer requests, sales, trends, etc will change over time. If they really were taking the AR15 off their shelves due to those reasons and not the political climate then they would not say its a “permanent” decision.

    • Alex Jay

      I’m sure all of this will change once the libertards are out of the WH

  • Joshua

    MSR, Modern Sporting Rifle, so, everything then, since the AR15, the newest gun on the market, is 40 years old. if 40 years is still modern, where do you draw the line?

  • LazyReader

    Screw Walmart. Just means sporting goods stores will get all the business.

    • ghost

      You should be going to them to start with.

  • jrd

    I have 9 Walmart stores in my area (25 miles area) of rural Iowa. None of them has even a box of 22lr in them for several years. They are expensive, but available now in other stores, so why none at Walmart?

    I am thinking there is a story here. Like Walmart is not carrying guns and bullets that are most used by thugs in crimes. No small caliber in pistol ammo, no short barreled shotguns, no semi autos that can hold large cap mags. Etc

    Walmart may be also trying to comply with the new UN gun ban. Since they are a part of the NWO.

    • Comrade Misfit

      Sorry, no. I bought two boxes of Win .22lr 555 round bulk-packs this morning for $27.88 a box. That works out to five cents a round. One reason why you can’t find .22s in Wal-Marts is that they haven’t jacked up the prices, unlike other places, so they sell out fast.

    • Cymond

      “They are expensive, but available now in other stores, so why none at Walmart?”

      You answered your own question.

      Walmart is the only place that hasn’t raised prices. As a result, 22LR sells out within minutes of arriving. I’ve read about people waiting in line at WalMart gun counters, waiting for the daily truck to arrive, hoping for 22LR.

  • joe diantonio

    Dam Libels that run Walmart.

  • Comrade Misfit

    I call “bullshit”. When I swung my the local Walmart yesterday to check on .22, a customer was at the counter and the clerk was showing him a Mini-14. The clerk said that they had two more “in the back”. So they won’t sell ARs, but they’ll continue to sell Mini-14s? The practical difference between the two is what, exactly?

    Yeah, this is bullshit.

  • SickandTired

    WalMart has crumbled under Political Pressure to no longer sell these items! To say these items are not selling is Bull Crap! I will not be shopping at WalMart any longer!!

  • Matt Grimes

    I have tried to limit my time in WalMart because most of their customers depress me when I look at them. It’s the worst the trailerhood has to offer. I thank them for the generous discounts on the guns I purchased on clearance. It won’t influence me to shop there one way or the other. When I am feeling bad about myself I will still go to Walmart to cheer myself up saying “could be worse, I could be that guy”

  • lifetimearearesident

    Yes – let’s bash WalMart some more. I think I will take my gun business to Sears or K-Mart instead. Oops – can’t do that as they do not sell ANY kind of guns/ammo anymore. They caved to the gun grabbers a long time ago.

    • maodeedee

      First they came for the Gypsies, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Gypsy.

      Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

      Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
      Because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

  • getreal5

    Why the hell would anybody buy a fine firearm at wal-mart ? I support my local gunsmith and mom and pop gun store.

    • maodeedee

      I don’t buy guns there but I support the right of others to do so.

  • maodeedee

    No more Wally World for me. Too bad, I used to do a lot of shopping there and there’s a lot of things they have that I can’t find anywhere else locally at any price but those things will have to learn to do without and I intend to write a letter stating these facts and I encourage others to join me in writing to:

    Mr. Mike Duke
    President and CEO
    Walmart Stores, Inc.
    702 SW 8th Street
    Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

    Cc: Mr. Rajan Kamalanathan
    Vice President of Ethical Standards
    Walmart Stores, Inc.
    702 SW 8th Street
    Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

  • Luka Megurine

    I have never and will never buy a gun from Walmart

    • Mi

      Why buy anything from them?

  • avconsumer2

    “We are getting back to selling only hunting and sporting guns and accessories.”

    Noted… you can’t hunt or “sport” with an AR. Got it. pfft – morons.

  • Mi

    Total BS! I am a former Walfart Assistant Store Manager and I know exactly how they operate. The were hoping the court or stockholders were going to tell them they couldn’t sell them and when that didn’t happen they came up with this baloney. I hope a lot of people join me in making sure that all of their sales go down permanently unless they change this stupid decision.

  • Hunter Carr

    I understand where they are coming from. They can obviously sell a lot more 10-22’s 870’s, 11-87’s, Henry’s, and Mossbergs and than AR15’s or Home Defense type weapons. Premium manufacturers are having to give them away now compared to 12 month’s ago. There was a strong market for this segment, but it’s fallen off the cliff this year. I’ve had my personal AR up for sale on 4 different sites for over 5 months and it hasn’t sold yet. If they aren’t selling then Wal-Mart sure as heck isn’t going to take up shelf space for something else that’s going to move more frequently. The price that Wal-Mart would demand from manufacturer’s won’t be doable with the slim margins they are seeing nowadays. They have always been about the almighty $

  • Lawrence Oliver

    It would have been nice if they’d have at least told the truth regarding why they are discontinuing these items. But honestly it is exactly the crap explanation I expected. The man contradicts himself in his answer. He says the AR sales are down and Walmart needs to make more room for other guns (guess I missed the run on hunting rifles and shotguns). Then when asked if this may change in the future the Walmart man says he believes it’s permanent. Which is weird because why would it be permanent if it was strictly a market and profitability issue. Total crap.

    • Hyok Kim

      “It would have been nice if they’d have at least told the truth regarding why they are discontinuing these items.”

      How many people in the world do you think would tell the truth about themselves that makes them less than heroic in public without duress?

  • Big George

    Who wants an M&P AR15 ‘Sport’ model anyway?!…for $600 it’s a POS with ComSpec parts, no forward assist & dust cover! Besides, who BUYS their AR’s anymore?!…build’em! And if you forgot, George Soros controls Cerberus Capital Management, the parent company of the Freedom Group who bought MARLIN and owns controlling shares in several companies…like Wallyworld!

  • tx883749

    This will help out local guns stores and other dealers.

    • maodeedee

      “This will help out local guns stores and other dealers.”

      No it won’t unless we fight against media and political pressure against the gun industry we are allowing them to legislate by coercion and eventually it will effect local guns stores and other dealers unless you and I and everyone reading this fights back NOW.

      If everyone here wrote letters to these two individuals below threatening a boycott this crap would come to a halt right way just like it did with all the people who wrote letters of protest about the AR ammo ban.

      We are a major consistency but most of us are a bunch of apathetic, whining, blustering, lazy-a$$ SLUGS.

      Mr. Mike Duke
      President and CEO
      Walmart Stores, Inc.
      702 SW 8th Street
      Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

      Cc: Mr. Rajan Kamalanathan
      Vice President of Ethical Standards
      Walmart Stores, Inc.
      702 SW 8th Street
      Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

      Let’s get it done, people.

  • 1leggeddog

    bullshit.

  • supergun

    Walmart still has the best deals on ammo in Georgia. I will continue to buy ammo from them in the future. They still have the AR 15s in the stores, but they are not competitive with these or any other weapons. To many other good places to buy weapons anyway. The only problem I have on the ammo in Walmart is, it takes an act of congress to get anyone to sell you the dam stuff.

    • maodeedee

      If you aren’t part of the solution you are part of the problem. The solution is the unite against them and send them letters of protest. The problem is that gun owners just lay back and take it in the shorts.
      This is bunch of crap but we shouldn’t do anything about it, right?

      • supergun

        I have tried to e-mail Walmart several times. They don’t have it together at all. I don’t think you can do anything with someone that does not or will not improve on their service. When I meet people like that I just go to someone that appreciates my business more. I only do business with Walmart if I can get a steal of a deal. In other words, they are not my primary place of business. But they do have some dang good deals on the bullets. It is just getting someone to go over their in the department and opening up their treasure chest to get the fricking bullets out.

        • maodeedee

          No one pays any attention to emails anymore. Snail Mail gets a lot more attention and even if they aren’t read they are counted.

          Anyone participating in these comment knows how to read and they have a computer and they know how to type. Write a letter, print it out, get a stamp and an envelope and send it.

          Mr. Mike Duke
          President and CEO
          Walmart Stores, Inc.
          702 SW 8th Street
          Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

          Cc: Mr. Rajan Kamalanathan
          Vice President of Ethical Standards
          Walmart Stores, Inc.
          702 SW 8th Street
          Bentonville, Arkansas 72716

          • supergun

            Thanks for the info. I have e-mailed several prominent CEOs and Managers of very large companies just recently. (Alamo, Enterprise, on-line gun stores, cell phone companies, etc) and they all have responded professionally. I doubt Wal-mart would respond to a mailed letter, especially the way they run the local stores.

  • Landroverman

    Good riddance to Walmart. It is a miserable place to shop anyway (stupid employees and shoddy merchandise). Let our gun dollars go to stores that respect our Second Ammendment rights.

    • ghost

      Arrogance becomes you. By the way, Walmart is not a gun store.

  • I don’t know about that. I can’t imagine not selling .223 since other guns fire it as well.

  • Sam Green

    I think it’s comical, from 2012 to 2014 their .223 and 5.56 rounds were nothing more than bare shelf after bare shelf, and their AR type rifles were also flying out the door, while pretty much all their bolt gun hunting ammunition was available at all times during the panic buying, thanks to King Obama and his antics.

    For me, them not selling AR ammo is much to do over nothing, as I can get better ammo and better pricing online, the no tax offsets the shipping.

    Political correctness at it’s best. This news will make POTUS in the Oval office grin from ear to ear.

  • oldwestman

    That’s OK just go to your nearest Big R store they have plenty of them and the accessories! Plenty of ammo too.

  • Ed Ward

    You know, there’s an old expression that goes something like “don’t pee down my shoulder and tell me it’s raining…” Walmart can do as they wish with their sales as it’s completely within their rights as a private business. However, it is NOT their right to LIE to my face and by condescending to me they just lost my business!

  • Kivaari

    That’s what I thought, after visiting WalMart yesterday. I noticed all the ARs stuff gone. About the only items still in the shelf were a couple of junk Barska scopes and a couple scope mounts. Since all those items went away in the last 2 weeks, it seemed that they folded to the customers that hated seeing them. I’ve never bought a gun at WalMart, preferring to spend my gun money with small local shops .I did buy a scope that featured a “tactical” aspect. The Perfecta .223 ammo I bought, was excellent performing. I need to buy more of it.

    • HM

      Good reply You just answered the why with this statement “I’ve never bought a gun at WalMart, preferring to spend my gun money with small local shops .” I have also never bought a gun a t Wal-mart, only hunting ammo. If AR15s were selling as well as some here are saying then they would not be getting rid of them.

      • Kivaari

        ARs and accessories were selling well at the Smelterville, Idaho Wal-Mart.
        I bought ammo at this store today.

  • Kivaari

    The spokesman did say that customers were telling them, they did not want to see non-traditional guns. No self defense shotguns, is a dumb move. Not selling ARs and accessories is a political slap in the face of customers that do like to see them on the shelves. When they brought in a pile of ARs, I was thinking, now that outfit has more balls than I thought. It turns out they have been neutered.

  • ghost

    No problem with them selling sporting firearms/ammo, other than the so called “sporting AR15 type rifles” and “tactical” shotguns. Doubt they’ll go out of business over that. Their business, they can put up what they want. Within the law that is. Non issue for me.

  • Grindstone50k

    Never seen any AR15s or other MSRs at any of my local Walmarts. I did notice they removed a Mossberg Persuader from the case that used to sit in there. I suppose it wasn’t in high demand as it sat there for almost a year. I did notice they started putting blackpowder rifles in the case recently. Never seen any ‘tactical’ accessories available prior to this either.

  • Harold

    BFD. no one likes tactical gun owners. eff off

  • machodog

    Oh,puhleeeze. Walmart is full of it. Customers are not just asking for sporting/hunting rifles. They’re lying through their teeth. It’s definitely political. They are going to “political” themselves right out of business and it won’t be just due to guns. Walmart is doing some really stupid things lately like making us all buy halal foods for the benefit of the muslims; catering to the LGBT; taking Christmas out Christmas to appease atheists and muslims. There are a number of other things they’re doing that are anti-American.

  • Southpaw89

    “Sales have dropped off a great deal” Somehow I doubt this, assuming the earlier report on TFB regarding a 140% increase in gun sales is accurate, (I believe that it is). What seems more likely to me is that they’re trying to be more politically correct while trying not to be boycotted by a crowd that probably makes up a large majority of their customer base. Either way, small mom and pop gun shops will benefit from this, and honestly I prefer those places anyway.

  • Alex Jay

    I bought one of the discounted ARs at Walmart about 3 -4 weeks ago. The guy at the counter told me about 3 months ago that (in this store at least) that the goal was to get rid of all the ARs by 1 Sep and not get anymore so there was no layaway or anything like that. I just happened to be there one day and saw that all the ARs had been marked down to $699.00. All of them whether it was Colt, Windham, Bushmaster, DPMS or whatever. Lower quality and higher quality were all lumped together. Not sure about the shotguns that were there if they were marked down. I’ve already have a Mossberg 930 and a Remington 870 so didn’t really need another one. Anyway, I’ve always wanted a Colt and it seemed it was fortuitous that I was there so I got it. $747.00 out the door. I don’t care about their policies and all the so called moral obligations to this or that. $747 was as low as I was ever see it for a Colt so I jumped on it. I’m happy.

  • Ryan

    Not that I’ve ever done ANY firearm shopping at Wal-Mart but I must say that I’m disappointed in this decision. The responses were ridiculous lies in my opinion. The AR-15 style rifles, Handguns, and Home Defense shotguns are the highest selling groups of firearms period. The accessory market for said firearms is in itself a billion dollar a year industry. For Wal-Mart not to have the guts to admit that they are bowing to anti-gun groups is pathetic. I suppose the best response I can offer is this… I used to shop there.

  • THOMAS

    I have a plain all pro-gun organizations an their members like the NRA an others that dislike any company or governmental office BOYCOTT the hell out of these people an their comp.
    Go to targets, Sears or any other stores there is very little different in the prices an if we all did that for a year or so until they get the idea they are not doing us the AMERICAN PEOPLE a faver it is we the AMERICAN PEOPLE doing them the faver of buying from them!

    • Cymond

      I’ve had some bad experiences with Sears, and after the last one, I’m done.

  • Tom W.

    Honestly, I didn’t even think they sold ARs. Who goes to WalMart to buy a good firearm anyway? I do go there for ammo, sometimes.

  • HKGuns

    I have a problem getting worked up over this one. First, I don’t shop at Walmart, second it is probably the last place I would buy a firearm of any kind.

  • Jay

    This is both political and business.
    The greedy bastards want to sell crap they can have made in China for pennies, by slave labor. They want to get at least 50% for a product. Can’t import ar15s from china, like they do with 90% of the crap they sell.
    On the other hand, being budy-budy with the Clintons, I’m surprised it took this long to get the tactical guns out of the store.

  • JLR84

    Honestly, I don’t know why Walmart bothers with guns and ammunition at all. Their selection sucks, they don’t even staff the counter most of the time, and it takes 20 minutes to hunt down someone with a key to open the case. There are plenty of others places to buy guns and ammo.

    • Anonymoose

      They don’t in my town.

    • More like half an hour to get somebody from automotive or home appliances to get to the counter and help you. I usually just stop at the service desk and ask for help in sporting goods before I even go back there!

  • Sinbad 1

    Don’t shop at Walmart anyway .No loss

  • Scottyb

    I don’t know about everyone else, but I don’t know a single person who has EVER bought a MSR from Wal-Mart, or any of the limited number of low quality accessories they carry. At least in N. Wyoming/ S. Montana, a guy can buy a MSR from a local shop for quite a bit less. And, the net offers thousands of accessory options, from the high quality/ high priced to the decent quality (for the average AR owner) at great prices. You can find pretty good prices on ammo, at times, but I don’t see them as being a player, at all, in the MSR market. At least not here.

    • Kivaari

      My local Wal Mart actually had a couple good gun guys. One had actually been an owner of the Chipmunk rifle company. Obviously the kid-sized .22 market got hit with cheaper rifles. He stepped down when he went to WM as a clerk.

  • Jimbo

    Pure BS. I keep going to the local Walmart looking for .22 ammo, 16 ga. and 20 ga. shells, and a .308 bolt action rifle. They don’t have anything anymore. They won’t ever say when they will ever get any of this in. They’re going politically correct and dumping guns altogether. Doing it slowly so as to not alienate gun owners. Like putting a frog in water and turning up the heat slowly.

  • Troy Benson

    If Sam was alive he would KICK SOME ASS!!!

  • Liam Winter

    Tell me why I should be bothered with this. In all reality it will probably help stimulate locally owned gunshops or actual chains that center around firearms or fishing.

    • N_Lightened_1

      Awesome point! That’s the silver lining on this whole story.

  • Douglas Maurer

    What a crock! Still, low prices on my ammo. And my store (Wisconsin) hasn’t carried any guns for quite a while now. Still enjoy shopping there and nice prices on the liquor too!

  • jerry young

    I’ll bet walmart will continue to sell muslim based merchandise!

  • marathag

    ‘Slow Sales’

    sure.

  • RA

    Why the hell do people shop at Wall mart? They are a big part of why America is in such a decline. Large corporations have killed the job market here. They move into an area undercut the local business by lowering prices and then raise the prices once the competition is gone. I have not shopped there in many, many years and will never again. Its no loss to them I am sure but I cant with good conscience shop at such a politically run POS company. Its how I feel and unfortunately my little boycott will not do anything to their bottom line. I will pay double before shopping there. Funny thing is my wife shopped there the other day and my son said ” Dad is going to be mad!” I really don’t care if you or even my wife shops there. To me its about integrity. I can not force others to do something that I want them to do., But I sure as hell can control my actions.

  • Mike Price

    They goofed up and got in on the AR market right after Obama loaded everybody up with AR’s and guns. They totally goofed and now they are paying for it. Glut of AR’s now and will be for the next 5 years.

  • Mike Price

    Our Walmart had the same Ar’s on the shelf for the last 8 months. It’s a dead market on them. They just bit the bullet and went out. They are losing money with them just sitting there. May see some builders go out too if they are just selling AR’s.

  • Mike Price

    Every gun guy I know has 3 to 6 Ar’s in his safe. When Obama blew his mouth off, people that were not even in guns went out and bought an AR hoping to double their money on it. That didn’t last long and now they are trying to sell it at the $900 they have in it. Good luck on that one.

  • nevadan99

    Have you ever purchased a firearm at Walmart? Be prepared to be there for a couple of hours for the paperwork, because they do not have anyone even close on how to get it done. I had 5 different associates to finally get the paperwork completed. Bought my first and last gun from Walmart.

  • MR

    I don’t have to avoid shopping at Walmart due to politically motivated decisions like this, I already avoid shopping at Walmart because their service is consistently poor.

  • silvestris

    We don’t need no stinkin’ Walmart.

  • jhwarner1

    Too bad but on the other hand I did score four Colt 6920 carbines for $400 each, one Windham for $350 and a DPMS Panther .308 for $600 as well as some AR15 accessories. I would have maxed out my card if they had more decent firearms tho. I may flip a couple of the Colts and the Windham on Gunbroker to cover the cost of the other firearms and have essentially end up with some practically free firearms. KA CHING!

  • RPK

    In the local area around San Angelo, Texas, (and Texas in general) there is a market rich in firearms sales. In this community, there is The Outdoorsman, Field & Streams, O.D.I.N. Firearms & Supply and of course the big box store, Academy Sports and Outdoors. Even many of the local pawn stores sell firearms and ammunition, both tactical and non-tactical. There is even a quarterly gun & blade show at The Coliseum. Even though I have purchased countless rounds of ammunition and four Colt AR-15’s from Wal-Mart in this community the past few years, the outcome will not be affected. Wal-Mart can say what they want publicly, it is probably politically motivated to a degree and not driven by profit margins or customer demand. In any event, Sayonara Wal-Mart…just one less firearms and ammo option…BUT, it is certainly not the last one.

  • X-Ring

    Of course RedChinaMart would be banning these AMERICAN-MADE guns from their stores. 99% of what RedChinaMart sells is manufactured in Red China, right? Just TRY to find anything made in America in any one of their stores.

    • N_Lightened_1

      This is sad, but true. I worked for Walmart for a few months in 1990. I remember the signs drawing attention to American made goods. They were really proud when they could offer a domestic product at comparable prices. I don’t think they even try anymore.

  • Michigunner

    I wonder if by accessories they mean ammunition as well? No more .223 / 5.56 at Walmart? It is not a very popular hunting round unless you consider varmint hunting, which isn’t practiced equally in all parts of the country. Especially not here in western Michigan.

  • ghost

    Bottom line, if I want to buy a firearm, I go to a business that sells what I am looking for. I don’t go looking for a “tactical” duck gun, or a “stealth” deer rifle. Don’t really expect Walmart to be selling them. Is freedom only for those of us that expect everything to suit? Reminds me of the old adage, unions want high wages but cheap prices.

    • Hyok Kim

      “Reminds me of the old adage, unions want high wages but cheap price.”

      Champaign taste, beer budget

  • BigR

    The wally world store in my town, had the lousiest selection ever. Most of their sales people at the gun counter didn’t even know the difference between a .22 Hornet, or a .22 long rifle. They suck in the sporting goods department. I’ll stick with the locals for my guns and ammo! Who needs wally world!

  • ghost

    What we have here is a bunch of ass-holes.

    • Hyok Kim

      Great site, great staff, but even ass-holes are useful (to an extent, so long as the number of people driven away is less than their number, in most firearms forums, ass-holes drive away more people than they attract), more traffic, more likely the higher ad revenue

  • The Brigadier

    This thread is going to set a record. Phil you should forward it to Wal-Mart. I wonder if they remember their competitors Gibson’s also?

  • cbc82

    I remember hearing in the late 1980’s-early 1990’s or so that Wal-Mart was no longer selling the MAK90, SKS, and such rifles because they were “Trying to get away from that image.” Wal-Mart has always been a fair-weather friend to the 2A community. I’d rather pay a little more to a local dealer, any day.

  • Matt Grimes

    At what point does me not going near you violate your freedoms? Your misdirected anger could be better put to use on actual problems I think. The fact you were so hurt tells me a lot about you. I didn’t say I was a model but I do put in an effort to remain a productive member of society. It’s not news that we are a fat , prescription drug addicted society. At least I don’t run to the doctor when I’m depressed, I just leave Walmart. God luck with your issues.

  • Thomas cruise

    Walmart has taken a politically correct position. Don’t be fooled by the drop in sales line. it’s a little too coincidental in relationship to the recent “assault” rifle related shootings. but u know what? Whatever their reason, they make the call. We can’t stop them.

  • Zebra Dun

    The only firearm I have ever purchased at Walmart was about 30 years ago, a single shot bolt action Youth Rifle in .22 lr called the Iver Johnson L’il Champ for my son to hunt squirrels with when he turned 12.
    I have to admit this little rifle is still shooting and accurately as the day we got it.
    But, That was a different age and a different Walmart.

  • cbunix23

    Walmart pulls in over 15% of federal EBT dollars. If Walmart got a phone call from the White House asking them to reconsider their firearms sales do you think Walmart would continue selling AR15s and risk all that EBT revenue, or would they drop them as fast as possible?

    • Hyok Kim

      Money talks, and BS walks.

  • dammit

    For God’s sake grow some balls Walmart

  • benhuntn4ever

    Boo freaking Hoo. If someone is really counting on Wal-mart to be their go to supplier for firearms and related items, that person really needs to have their head checked.

  • CJS3

    I haven’t been in a Wal Mart for at least 5 years and the last time I bought a firearm in a Wal Mart was in the nineties. They have this new fangled thing called the internet now, and you can shop on it too.

    Crocodile tears for Wal Mart and the mall ninjas that shop there.

  • Leigh Rich

    BFD.. I would never buy a gun from Wallyworld.

  • phil box

    time to start shopping at the locally owned stores for everything. the only thing these mulit national enities understand is their bottom line. so hit ’em where it hurts, thier pocket book

  • BigR

    Who cares! Walmart sucks anyway! I’ve never even bought a pocket knife from Wally World!

  • Donald Darr

    Sounds like I need to discontinue Walmart and go to WinCo, which by the way is an American employee owned company. I know WinCo doesn’t sell firearms but why do business with a company that blindly follows the Politically Correct crowd.

  • JJ

    No boicot, but support instead. The problem is those of us who support the sales of AR15s at Walmart are not as loud as those 3 idiots that have complained. If all of us who support the sales of AR15s would write to Walmart and show them our support I guarantee you they would not cave in to the stupidity of 3 or 4 liberal idiots that don’t have a clue what a AR15 is.
    Walmart must be told what we what, and I am sure we are more than the dumb assess complaining.

    “Liberalism is what Smart looks like to stupid people”

  • Majoritysense

    Walmarts prices were out of sight on all of the AR-15’s. They made a good decision.

  • Wyatt90

    I really want to know what Wal-mart is planning on doing with any ARs they still have in stock? You think they’ll have some real good deals trying to sell them all off?

  • Rodney Steward

    They also seem to be doing a lot of Obama butt kissing, and lets not forget the long slow butt kissing, to al-Sharpton, for about 3million$$$, to keep protesters away from their stores. I think Wal-Mart is slowly going to he$$!!

  • Kivaari

    So you support the economic system in place in North Korea?

    • Hyok Kim

      Of course, not. What made you ask the question?

  • DAVE WAYNE

    Fortunately I live in an area that gives me a dozen or more stores that beat WMs prices on firearms. This bonehead decision will only strengthen my resolve not to trade at their stores. I am sure my 3 dozen local adult relatives will join me.

  • Leigh Rich

    ARs are so low priced right now that they can’t make any profit on it.

  • Norman

    Well, they don’t seem to pay much attention to stores like Academy. Every time I go there people are flocking all over the “tactical ” stuff like crazy. You can always get an AR there.

  • Doug_723

    Hey, SO WHAT?!? There are hundreds of stores out in the American landscape, besides that, Walmart has largely gone halal in many areas, supporting terrorism via animals slaughtered according to the muzzies’ Queer’an.

    I can find most any firearm/accessories/ammo I desire elsewhere, don’t need to fill Walmart’s coffers, besides that, my rifle of choice in the vein of an AR type ISN’T an AR but an AK.

    Now before y’all get on me for weapon choices, an AK fires basically a .30 caliber whereas an AR fires a .22. The 7.62×39 AK round hits harder and AK ammo isn’t hard to find.

  • Wal-Mart-is-Fud-Inc.

    Do REAL men by their ARs at Wal-Mart?

    Tell you what, if you see me walking out of a Wal-Mart with an AR–SHOOT ME!

  • Motumbo

    I quit Walmart for Costco already. I despise even going into a Walmart….or target….eff them & their political agendas…..

  • RPK

    Oppress the rights of law abiding citizens through political means. Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Lenin, Hussein and the Imperial One in the WH are all examples of those who have supported such policy or shown the propensity to do so. Disarm the populace and they shall submit to your will. Politics 101.

  • DONNIE 82

    This is as “POLITICAL” as H—. Wal Mart doesn’t have the guts to stand up and tell it like it is !!!!! They are falling in line with their “LIBERAL MASTERS” They only understand $$$$$$$$$$. WHEN 33 million gun owners “BOYCOT ” them , watch them act !!!!!

  • Brian M

    Is that why I couldn’t find 7.62x54R last week?

  • Kivaari

    You really do not know anything about Glocks. If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks? The firing pin springs do not become weakened. Some people searching for an even lighter trigger pull. install weaker springs. That is not a Glock problem, it is an after market parts problem.
    NYPD insisting on heavy trigger pulls, was not an effort to make the pistols more reliable. The only reason for adding a heavy trigger, by using a high aspect connector and the little grey plastic insert was to stop NYPD officers from pulling the trigger, when it should not be pulled. Changing the tension to limit the pull weight, will not “fix” a firing pin that is hitting too lightly. Nothing in the heavy trigger additions has anything to do with firing pin striking energy.
    If striker fired systems are so inferior, why has SIG and S&W copied Glock? S&W M&P series and SIGs P320 essentially copied Glock S&W was so obvious in the early guns, that Glock sued them, and S&W paid Glock big bucks.

    • Hyok Kim

      “You really do not know anything about Glocks. ”

      On the contrary, I do know quite a bit about Glocks, its virtues and vices. One time I was a fan boy myself.

      “If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks?”

      Wow! Hold on there, fella! When did I ever say Glock was a bad gun?

      Btw. The popularity of a certain model is not necessarily a proof of the virtue of the model over less popular models. Uzi was more popular than MP5, but is UZI a better subgun than MP5, pure performance-wise?

      “The firing pin springs do not become weakened.”

      I am talking about trigger spring. Who are you arguing with?

      “Some people searching for an even lighter trigger pull. install weaker springs. That is not a Glock problem, it is an after market parts problem.”

      It’s an well-documented problem of Glock trigger spring breakage. It has more to do with whether the trigger spring is compressed or stretched. NY triggers are compressed instead of stretched like the light and standard Glock triggers.

      Striker-fired guns are inherently more vulnerable to spring fatigue than hammer fired guns.

      “NYPD insisting on heavy trigger pulls, was not an effort to make the pistols more reliable. The only reason for adding a heavy trigger, by using a high aspect connector and the little grey plastic insert was to stop NYPD officers from pulling the trigger, when it should not be pulled. Changing the tension to limit the pull weight, will not “fix” a firing pin that is hitting too lightly. Nothing in the heavy trigger additions has anything to do with firing pin striking energy.” – Kivaari

      “I’ve been a factory-certified Glock armorer since 1997. In my job as training officer at the police department, I inspected and maintained more than 75 Glock pistols carried by my officers. I also teach at one of the largest shooting schools in the country, seeing hundreds more Glock pistols in my students’ hands each year. I’ve seen Glock pistols break in every conceivable manner. Don’t tell me “Mine has never broken!” That’s because you don’t shoot it enough. Put 10,000 rounds or more a year through a single pistol and see what happens. –

      #1 Most common parts breakage- Trigger Spring

      If you look at the picture, you’ll see the coil springs on the top row. One of those springs is in your trigger mechanism. It is what returns the trigger to the forward position after the shot. They break all of the time (right at the bend on top or bottom), but not in a predictable fashion. I’ve had some guns go more than 50,000 rounds on the original spring. I’ve also seen a spring break within the first 1000 rounds. They are unpredictable.

      If you never want to deal with spring breakage, use one of the NY trigger springs (lower level on the picture). They compress rather than stretch and I’ve never seen one break. Unfortunately, they will raise your trigger pull weight to 8 or 12 lbs from the factory 5.5 lbs. I don’t use them for that reason. ”

      ……from activeresponsetraining.net

      “If striker fired systems are so inferior, why has SIG and S&W copied Glock? S&W M&P series and SIGs P320 essentially copied Glock S&W was so obvious in the early guns, that Glock sued them, and S&W paid Glock big bucks.”

      …….again, where did I say striker fired systems are inferior for all intended purpose. I said they are not as reliable as hammer-fired ones when it comes to ignition of primer due to less energy striking the primer than hammer-fired ones. This is not much of an issue in military and police since they usually have access to other weapons, and/or a back up or two. One misfire or two will not have as drastic impact for the person firing as in civilian self-defense, where he/she usually will have access to one gun at the moment and usually cannot count on back up, and the fight is far more likely to take place at ECQB range, than typical LE or Military situation, and also far more likely to be ‘personal’ than typical LE or military situation.

      One misfire could become the fight ender.

      Btw. You don’t realize you’re contradicting your own reasoning.

      “Some people searching for an even lighter trigger pull. install weaker springs. That is not a Glock problem, it is an after market parts problem.” – Kivaari

      “Changing the tension to limit the pull weight, will not “fix” a firing pin that is hitting too lightly. Nothing in the heavy trigger additions has anything to do with firing pin striking energy.” – Kivaari

      Okay, so you’re saying in one instance, installing weaker spring for lighter trigger pull casues problems in Glock, but in next, you’re saying it doesn’t matter!

      FYI

      “TRIGGER GROUP COMPETITION PAK

      Fits All Glock Models

      This pak is designed to help improve trigger pull and function in competition pistols. Included in the pak are a 4 Lb. reduced power striker spring, reduced power safety block spring and an extra power trigger spring.

      Warning: This pak is for competition use only – not for duty use.” from gunsprings.com

      So extra powr trigger spring does matter when it comes to ignition, no?

  • Kivaari

    The P210 series are few and very expensive. 46 years ago I was at the Long Beach Police range, when an admiral next to me had 3 SIG variants. The base model cost over $1000 way back then. I guess admirals made better money than I did. I shot it, and it had a terrible trigger. Those pistol are always admired, but rarely bought. Yes, they are made in Switzerland. Being sport models, they come out to meet the small demand.

    • Hyok Kim

      “The P210 series are few and very expensive. 46 years ago I was at the Long Beach Police range, when an admiral next to me had 3 SIG variants. Yes, they are made in Switzerland. Being sport models, they come out to meet the small demand.” – Kivaari

      P210 is equivalent to P49, Swiss military issue weapons at the time you’re talking about above.

      “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

      “I shot it, and it had a terrible trigger.” -Kivaari

      Strange, you’re first and only one complaing about P210 trigger, yet praising Glock stock trigger!!! P210 has an excellent trigger, still not the equal of tuned 1911, nothing is. Even Larry Vickers couldn’t improve its trigger. Maybe you could show Mr.Vickers a trick or two?

      • Kivaari

        Well, How many people would even recognize the SIG old-pattern pistol? How many actually have shot one? There are quite a few pistols that people raved about before they became more common. Like a real CZ75, before the iron curtain fell. I remember when Detonics wanted to see what all the hype was with them. They ordered one via Canada, paid over $1200 in import duty TAXES.
        When I was shown the pistol, Sid and I were underwhelmed. The exterior finish was horrible. The hammer, while in the cocked position was very bad. Pushing the trigger rearward caused the hammer to mover back with a nearly 9 pound effort. Same on the French M49. That brings me back to the SIG. I don’t care what the pistol Larry Vickers shot. The one I shot had a terrible trigger, and the hammer rocked to the rear. The admiral had match versions, that I did not shoot. Perhaps Vicker’s sample was tuned post-factory. Perhaps, SIG actually made one gun with a fine trigger.could improve on the trigger, if he so desired. Most people with rare SIG single action pistols don’t want to screw with them. The P210 is a nice pistol having a crude finish, that is OK for a military gun. They are over-priced and unsuitable for issue as a combat pistol. I find ALL single action pistols to be unsuitable for military or police combat. That said, I like them for other reasons. Given a choice, I would not pick a 1911 or 210 for serious work. Well, I’ve lived and learned that I prefer pistols like the Glocks. I am happy with 9mm, over any other caliber offered.
        There is a reason 9mm and Glocks predominate world wide. National pride to the side, and you will see that even entire nations gave up on local designs and bought guns that work.
        Glocks, especially the newer ones have heavier than I like triggers. My service pistols had G34 connectors. As did all of our M17 and M19s. I turned my 17 in for a new M34 just before retiring. Unlike NYPD adding extra effort to fire the issue Glocks, we trained and except for one recruit, none of us had negligent discharges with our pistols. Glocks have “gummy” triggers as bought off the shelf (except for match models). Service pistols are not target guns, they are combat pistols.

        • Hyok Kim

          “The P210 series are few and very expensive. 46 years ago I was at the Long Beach Police range, when an admiral next to me had 3 SIG variants. Yes, they are made in Switzerland. Being sport models, they come out to meet the small demand. I shot it, and it had a terrible trigger.” – Kivaari

          “P210 is equivalent to P49, Swiss military issue weapons at the time you’re talking about above.” – Hyok Kim

          “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

          …….so how could you have shot a military pistol that you claimed that Switzerland would not export?

          • Kivaari

            You should know the civilian pistols are imported in small numbers. The P210 is not the P49. It is a cleaned up variant. I held one just recently. The trigger pull on it was not any better than the one I shot 46 years ago. The admiral had three variants. Even then they cost big bucks. I was just an E3 at the time. I figured the admiral made more money than I did.

          • Hyok Kim

            “You should know the civilian pistols are imported in small numbers” – Kivaari

            ……then why had you said earlier that SIGs were not imported because they were military?

            “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

            “The P210 series are few and very expensive. 46 years ago I was at the Long Beach Police range, when an admiral next to me had 3 SIG variants. Yes, they are made in Switzerland. Being sport models, they come out to meet the small demand.” – Kivaari

            ….then why had you said earlier that SIG P210 were military items?

            “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

          • Kivaari

            They have been considered sporting arms. I don’t know of any legal imports of the M49. Even Switzerland adopted newer designs, like the P220. They did that 30 + years ago. I suspect the M49 were put in storage or sold to vets.

          • Hyok Kim

            “They have been considered sporting arms.” – Kivaari

            …….but then why had you said earlier that they were not exported because they were military items?

            “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

            ” I don’t know of any legal imports of the M49. I suspect the M49 were put in storage or sold to vets.” – Kivaari

            You meant P49.

            “The P210 is not the P49.” – Kivaari

            They are functionally the same gun. Btw. P49 have been imported into U.S. So why had you said earlier that they were not exported because they were military items?

            “You really do not know anything about Glocks. If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks?” – Kivaari

            “You should understand that armies and navies and police around the world buy pistols and rifles in mindless fashion.” – Kivaari

            “How many P7 pistols were sold to governments? In the scheme of things almost none.” – Kivaari

            So German, Greek, and Mexican army, and NJSP count as none?

            “HK retooled, because NJ couldn’t find what they wanted, HK in a PR move tried to not make negative waves.” – Kivaari

            ……….so NJSP couldn’t find anything better than a product you claim failed at the market? Some failure!!!

            Btw. NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. HK produced P7 till 2007!!! You claim P7 failed at the market but re-tooled for NJSP for PR reasons, and NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. So P7 you claimed had failed at the market by 1982-83 were produced till 2007???!!!

            Some failue, don’t you think?

            “NO military has adopted the P7 in any quantity beyond testing and issuing to select groups.” – Kivaari

            Okay, so issuing and adopting are not the same thing?

            “Well good. What German pistols of 30 years ago actually reached wide spread use? Just about none of them. ” – Kivaari

            Sig Sauer?

          • Kivaari

            Swiss considered the P210, with its higher quality finish, to be a sporting gun. The M49 are no longer made, having been replaced in service over 30 years ago by the P220. Getting to outdated weapons, moves them to another class. At the time Switzerland went to the P220, so did Japan. Today that would be a step backwards. It reminds me of an article in Law and Order magazine the was titled, SIG P220: Older but still better. That appeared before SIG produced large capacity handguns. At the time most of the SIG pistol, Made in West Germany, were imported in very small numbers, and then by the hundreds and a few thousand in 9mm and .45 with about 800 .38 Supers. The early SIGs are exceptional guns. If a few M49 have shown up, I would suspect the numbers are very small, prices high, and in worn condition. I can’t think of any nation that still issues single action pistols, except for very low level militias, or stuffed into storage bunkers. Much like the many Soviet M91/30 and M1895 we see today.
            You are dragging this out too long, as you do not “get it”.

          • Hyok Kim

            “Swiss considered the P210, with its higher quality finish, to be a sporting gun.” – Kivaari

            …..then why had you said earlier that SIGs were military items?

            “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

            . “The M49 are no longer made, having been replaced in service over 30 years ago by the P220. ” – Kivaari

            Swiss used P49 designation as their military designation for P210. You’re confusing Swiss with the Danes.

            “You really do not know anything about Glocks. If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks?” – Kivaari

            “You should understand that armies and navies and police around the world buy pistols and rifles in mindless fashion.” – Kivaari

          • Kivaari

            This is getting old. You miss major points. When did the Swiss buy the M49? How many? Issued as a frontline pistol until when? M49s went into storage, when? How many were surplus-ed off? How many were ever imported, and where did they come from? Swiss government stores? Or Swiss shooting clubs?
            Selling a few hundred or even a couple thousand pistols to foreign police or military, is not the same as a service wide adoption of a weapon. Like I said before, small number of pistols and rifles get bought and used by armies all over the world. As I said before, does the US Marine Corp buying 5000 M45 pistol mean they are issued service wide? Or are they what are called substitute standard. Like the USA issuing M1911, M1911A1, M1917 S&W, M1917 Colt, S&W Victory Models, Colt Commando, S&W M15, Ruger Security Six and others simultaneously indicate that none of them were service wide. Even during the Vietnam era, where USN and Marine pilots packed Victory models, loaded with tracers, using them as self-draining flare guns. Mexico never issued the P7 in any significant numbers. If you saw the list of handgun ammo still considered as service ammo, in the 1982 period, you would have seen we inventoried close to 80 handgun rounds.
            Now I really have had enough.

          • Hyok Kim

            “They have been considered sporting arms.” – Kivaari

            …….but then why had you said earlier that they were not exported because they were military items?

            “SIGs may be made in Germany and West Germany, but that is only because Switzerland wont allow export of military items like pistols. “The “S” in SIG is for “Switzerland” – Kivaari

            ” I don’t know of any legal imports of the M49. I suspect the M49 were put in storage or sold to vets.” – Kivaari

            You meant P49.

            “The P210 is not the P49.” – Kivaari

            They are functionally the same gun. Btw. P49 have been imported into U.S. So why had you said earlier that they were not exported because they were military items?

            “You really do not know anything about Glocks. If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks?” – Kivaari

            “You should understand that armies and navies and police around the world buy pistols and rifles in mindless fashion.” – Kivaari

            “HK retooled, because NJ couldn’t find what they wanted, HK in a PR move tried to not make negative waves.” – Kivaari

            ……….so NJSP couldn’t find anything better than a product you claim failed at the market? Some failure!!!

            Btw. NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. HK produced P7 till 2007!!! You claim P7 failed at the market but re-tooled for NJSP for PR reasons, and NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. So P7 you claimed had failed at the market by 1982-83 were produced till 2007???!!!

            Some failue, don’t you think?

            “NO military has adopted the P7 in any quantity beyond testing and issuing to select groups.” – Kivaari

            Okay, so issuing and adopting are not the same thing?

            “Well good. What German pistols of 30 years ago actually reached wide spread use? Just about none of them. ” – Kivaari

            Sig Sauer?

            “How many P7 pistols were sold to governments? In the scheme of things almost none.” – Kivaari

            So German, Greek, and Mexican army, and NJSP count as none?

          • Kivaari

            How many P7s did Germany, Greece and Mexico buy? A few hundred? Do any of them remain in service? Like El Salvador buying under 100, finding them unfired next to bodies of officers, and complaints that under stress people forgot how to work the gun. Now get over it, it was not a big seller.

          • Hyok Kim

            “How many P7s did Germany, Greece and Mexico buy?” – Kivaari

            ……enough to get noticed, and enough for Greece to get licence to build it for her army.

            “Now get over it, it was not a big seller.” – Kivaari

            HK built it from late 70s till 2006. Certainly big enough to continue to produce it till more cost effective solution came along.

            “You really do not know anything about Glocks. If they were so bad, so easily fatigued, why do 70% of American police use Glocks?” – Kivaari

            “You should understand that armies and navies and police around the world buy pistols and rifles in mindless fashion.” – Kivaari

            “HK retooled, because NJ couldn’t find what they wanted, HK in a PR move tried to not make negative waves.” – Kivaari

            ……….so NJSP couldn’t find anything better than a product you claim failed at the market? Some failure!!!

            Btw. NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. HK produced P7 till 2007!!! You claim P7 failed at the market but re-tooled for NJSP for PR reasons, and NJSP adopted P7 around 1982-83. So P7 you claimed had failed at the market by 1982-83 were produced till 2007???!!!

            Some failue, don’t you think?

            “NO military has adopted the P7 in any quantity beyond testing and issuing to select groups.” – Kivaari

            Okay, so issuing and adopting are not the same thing?

  • Beyondbreakeventrading

    Anything that alienates the public from Walmart is a good thing.

    Spot the lies:

    “Wal-Mart only sells guns in one third of our stores and sales of this type of gun and accessories have dropped off a great deal. (Lie) It’s a business decision (true) and a decision made by our customers request (Lie, gun grabber pressure and pressure from the Administration) we sell more traditional guns and accessories (Sure, that’s why all that expensive paintball and Airsoft guns are fashioned after old muskets, right? (Liar) In order to expand our offerings of traditional guns (What “expansion” are you offering? Which traditional guns are going to be added Liar! we had to make more space and discontinue guns that were not selling (because ARs take up SO much room we had to get rid of all the MSRs, including the .22s. (Liar). This is really about providing our customers with what they want to purchase.” (Translation: Shut up and obey)

  • supergun

    Some Walmarts don’t sell any guns, just bullets. And some stores keep the bullets locked up or in a cabinet with lock and loaded,,,,I mean just locked out of sight. They treat it like alcohol.

  • Anybody remember back as late as 2002 when some Wal-Mart stores sold handguns?