Scots Afraid of Armed Police Officer In Supermarket

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Last Sunday, an article was posted about Scottish shoppers reacting poorly to an armed police officer shopping in a super market. Photos were posted of the police officer as he was shopping for lunch in a Tesco market in Redding, Scotland. Which is near Falkirk, about 45 mins drive from Edinburgh.

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People were shocked that the police officer was armed with a pistol, taser and CS gas. Police officers are not armed unless responding to a firearms offense or if life is threatened. Since he was just shopping for his lunch people are reacting poorly.

One shopper said: “He stood out from the crowd and did not look as though he was on duty never mind attending any sort of 999 call.

“His hands were full as he left the store so I don’t think he would have been able to use his gun even if he had to.”

This is what happens when you have a majority disarmed populace. They become afraid of the mundane.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

Any questions please email him at nicholas.c@staff.thefirearmblog.com


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  • Pfft, what a bunch of children. As someone with Scottish blood who lives in freer lands, I’m ashamed of what’s happening to my people.

    • Dracon1201

      Aren’t we all.

    • Esh325

      lol freer lands where you’re more likely to get killed by a police officer with a gun. I like guns just as much anybody else, but they have the right idea in the UK and Europe in general.

      • I haven’t seen a police officer in person in well over a year. I live in the remote northern tundra, but your presumptuousness is noted.

        • Esh325

          Statistically it’s correct though.

          • But practically it isn’t. I’m more likely to beaten by a bear than I am shot by a cop.

          • Esh325

            Do you live in Alaska?

          • Close enough to it.

      • sliversimpson

        Poor Esh325. What’s it like to sympathize with violent criminals? I’ll never know, so please inform me.

        • Esh325

          So just because I don’t agree with the American ideals of gun ownership means I’m sympathize with criminals? What a load of bullshit.

          • sliversimpson

            Who else fights with the cops and gets shot, genius?

            Your buddies Mike Brown, Trayvon Martin, etc. That’s who.

          • Esh325

            Trayvon Martin wasn’t even shot by a cop you imbecile.

          • sliversimpson

            True, but he was a criminal killed by gun. Those are the vast majority of people who are killed by guns in the United States. I agree with you though, I would not trust a British person with a gun. That’s why my ancestors ran them out of my free country.

          • Esh325

            The justice system in the USA is really not where it needs to be considering its historical biases against people of color. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/18/the-rush-job-conviction-of-14-year-old-george-stinney-exonerated-70-years-after-execution/

          • sliversimpson

            Still upset about 1776? You sure are interested in American government… I would be too if I was living in Britain. If you want to learn a little bit about any quality, you might want to study Britain’s history.

          • Esh325

            I have traveled to the UK, but I do not live there nor do I hold a UK passport.

          • sliversimpson

            I never implied that you did. You were the one selling British legislative policies.

          • Esh325

            I’m selling their gun policy.

          • Bob

            Your post history seems to indicate countless examples of irresistible force paradox on this particular sale. Surely there must be something less stressful to do on your spare time? This is exactly why I don’t argue religion anymore.

          • Esh325

            In these types of venues, there’s little to no dissent. So why not have some dissenting opinions?

          • anon

            “When I was young and free and my imagination had no limits, I dreamed of changing the world. As I grew older and wiser, I discovered the world would not change, so I shortened my sights somewhat and decided to change only my country.

            But, it too, seemed immovable.

            As I grew into my twilight years, in one last desperate attempt, I settled for changing only my family, those closest to me, but alas, they would have none of it.

            And now as I lie on my deathbed, I suddenly realize: If I had only changed my self first, then by example I would have changed my family.

            From their inspiration and encouragement, I would then have been able to better my country and, who knows, I may have even changed the world.”

          • Sulaco

            You don’t have “dissenting opinions’ you spew hate and bile against those that do. Typical lib/fascist.

          • Esh325

            So I’m a Nazi for what exactly?

          • Sulaco

            I am really at a loss to explain why you troll this site. You hate the USA, you hate its government, you hate its history, you hate its
            police, its laws, its people, its constitution, its freedoms, people who defend themselves in spite of your hate of the very idea….you seem to be under the impression that we are somehow mandated to obey your dictates and become enraged when we refuse. Your comments led a light into a mindset that we have fought wars to overcome and will again. And yet you return to a site you hate and
            everyone on it. In what, desperate attempts to convince yourself you are not insane?

          • Esh325

            Do I have to be American to use this site or agree with America’s gun laws? Actually I’ve been following the firearms blog for a long time because I enjoy firearms history and the mechanics of them. I think you’re being entirely too sensitive to criticism. You seem to think any opinion opposite of yours is automatically hate and they must be a Nazi and I’m the one who is irrational and insane? You call people who disagree with you a Nazi even when you lack the education to even know what criteria would make somebody a Fascist.

          • claymore

            So you admit to being a troll?

          • Axl

            I am for dissenting opinions so long as the back and forth is productive, respectful, and civil. I see none of that. I see your typical, prepubescent schoolyard exchange of, “nuh-uh’s,” “yeah-huh’s,” and, “he started it!” There’s a saying, “you lie with dogs, you get up with fleas.” For all we know, you could be right, you could be wrong. But those fleas removed any credibility you might have had for being right.

          • George Griffin

            Of the offenders for whom race was known, 52.4 percent were black, 45.2 percent were white, and 2.4 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders. (Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
            This is from the same FBI report you cited earlier. So where is the bias against color?

          • Esh325
          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Disparate impact doesn’t equate to inappropriate discrimination or racist policies.

          • Esh325
          • sliversimpson

            Again, most of these people who are being killed and killing each other are criminals. How do you quantify how many murders are prevented because the homeowner was able to defend themselves without killing someone? How do you quantify gang violence? How do you quantify a criminal killing a criminal? You can’t. And in your case, you don’t want to. You want to only use numbers that you think prove your point.

          • Esh325

            Prove it then Simpson. Show that 8,897 were all mostly criminals. Just because somebody is a criminal means they deserve to die? It’s ethically not right, nor is it legally.

          • sliversimpson

            No, Esh, I won’t. Just as you can’t show me how many homicides were prevented by responsible gun owners, or how many of those homicides involved a person who had previously been charged with a violent crime or was a registered gang member.

            Can you even show how many of those homicides were committed by police officers, going back to your original statement?

          • Esh325

            You won’t or you can’t you mean? Which homicides? The justified ones or non justified?

          • sliversimpson

            Read the post. It’s in there. With your love for the British, you might want to try studying the English language bit more.

          • Esh325

            So did you cry uncle yet?

          • sliversimpson

            You must really not be able to read English.

          • Mike

            I work in a large hospital in the South. Most of the “gun shot victims” are gang bangers, not innocent old ladies.

          • milesfortis

            Hey foreign dimwit.
            All murders are homicides. Not all homicides are murder.
            Your handlers are not getting their money’s worth.

          • sliversimpson

            By the way, “imbecile,” way to edit your post… It’s hilarious that while calling me an imbecile, you posted “George Zimmerman wasn’t even shot by a cop you imbecile.”

            Do you have any more corrections that you would like to make?

          • Esh325

            Somebody who is lazy with the facts is much more of an imbecile than somebody who makes a simple typing error.

          • sliversimpson

            Exactly my point. While focusing on my typing error, you disregard the fact that show that The most violent places in America are the places which liberals have instituted their gun-control policies.

          • MANG

            SICK POLITICAL EDITORIAL

          • milesfortis

            You’re right. It is sick that the most crime ridden and murder prone cities in the U.S. are those run by the Socialist (democrat) partei.

          • MANG

            GTFO

      • Don Ward

        Only in a handful of unfortunate zip codes. The majority of the US is much like Europe in terms of violent crime.

        • If you control for certain demographics, America is just as safe as any Anglo country.

        • Esh325

          Is that actually something you could backup with any facts or statistics?

          • Bill

            Be careful what you wish for, there are plenty of criminals in Europe. There are so many variables involved that making a direct comparison between the US and “Everything that isn’t the US” is problematic, because of how crime is measured varies from place to place.

          • Esh325

            Did I say there aren’t criminals in Europe? And yes I agree with your last statement regarding crime statistics.

          • milesfortis

            I got you here
            Bill Whittle did it in his youtube “Number One With a Bullet”.
            Everyone can watch it.

      • marathag

        New Hampshire has the largest per capita ownership of full auto machine guns, They don’t have many gun laws, besides the Federal ones.

        They are ranked 44th in Firearm Deaths per capita.

        Only States lower in rank are states like New Jersey and New York, those with severe gun laws.

      • john huscio

        Great, another “I like guns, BUT” guy……

        • milesfortis

          All he does is troll the gun sites on the web and regurgitate his brady bunch and committee for the prevention of gun violence crap

      • junyo

        Free!=Safe

        It you want to live where the government decides you’re too stupid to be trusted with dangerous stuff , I agree it’s an awesome system. Please create an asylum program in your country for all the folks here who want to be subjects as well. If you’re a grownup/free citizen, you accept that freedom comes with certain inherent risks.

        • Esh325

          You can own a gun in pretty much every country in Europe. The difference is that it’s usually much stricter process to obtain one compared to the USA.

          • crackedlenses

            …which is bad news if you hold views your government doesn’t approve of. They can arbitrarily decide that “your kind” don’t qualify to own firearms, and no one will care enough to complain.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            That’s a ridiculous oversimplification.

  • swede

    sad really

    probaly true for most of western europe unless you live in the sticks like me(:

    when I was in first or second grade a visiting policeofficer let us hold his gun (unloaded of course) oh how times have changed

    • KestrelBike

      I brought my dad’s pepperbox pistol to show&tell in the third grade! Teacher only got pissed when I was showing it to friends between classes.

      • swede

        oh and on fieldtrips, nature days that sort of thing it wasn’t uncommon to have your knife with you and there wasn’t a problem except for maybe people cutting themselves by accident.

        nowadays that wouldn’t fly, we lock up knifes and scissors at work, (im a spec-ed teacher) and not only for the spec-ed classrooms ):
        kids aren’t allowed to play for real so they don’t learn, we have a stick ban on my school ): the kids can’t play (hard) but fair and nice

        • Tom

          I worked in an office where we were not allowed scissors! In my current place of employment we are not allowed kitchen knives aerosols or bleach! Still that is what happens when you employ someone full time to work on Health and Safety – for an office.

    • BattleshipGrey

      When I visited Ireland recently I met a couple police officers and swapped patches. One of the guys was pretty busy so we didn’t get to chat much and when I talked to the small town officer I was short on time. However in both conversations, they made sure to tell me that they didn’t carry firearms and don’t really have much violent crime. They were both nice guys and I wish I would’ve had more time to compare crime and policies with them. To some extent though, I have to wonder if they point out to all US tourists these “low crime” and “no firearms” stats since their economy is so reliant on tourism.

  • Esh325

    In before people say the UK is an “anti-gun” hell hole blah blah blah.

    • Dracon1201

      Legislatively, they aren’t wrong.

    • KestrelBike

      I’d cut you, but they took away my butter-knife : P

  • Times have changed.

    • Esh325

      The Scots are so wussified now they need to have a lot people shot by guns like USA does to be real men again.

      • Delicious strawman.

        • Esh325

          Yeah, it’s a strawman. Bite me 🙂

          • au

            i hear they do stabbings instead.

          • Esh325

            There are more stabbings in the USA than the UK.

          • Jon

            More people live in U,S,, but U.K. violent crime rate is higher than U.S. and highest is Europe.

          • kyphe

            The rate of violent crime in the UK is only so high because we are hyper sensitive to violence and class large amounts of crimes as violent offenses which are not classed as violent by other nations. Many nations do not even have the crime of Affray where no one is actually hurt but people are made to be afraid of being hurt, yet we record it as a violent crime! wave a hammer at some intruder in your back yard and you can be charged with a violent offense in the UK. Comparing different systems without qualifying statements is statistical fraud.
            on average for every homicide in the UK, approximately 25 people are murdered in the US.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            Please provide statistical evidence.

      • Dan

        Or they can just go on pissing themselves over the mere sight of a gun. You have made clear your distaste for American Firearm laws. And like most tend to blame the tool rather than the person who wields it. Any argument you make is tainted from the start.

        • Esh325

          I do blame the person also. In Europe, many countries have psych tests for people wanting to own a gun to help make sure they aren’t mentally ill. That’s putting the burden of blame on person.

          • Dan

            Right because everyone that uses a gun to kill people cannot pass a psych test. There is more to the American gun violence problem then you will ever understand. It is not a gun problem it is a violence problem. It doesn’t matter what you restrict a person intent enough to kill lots of people will do it. Saying well it will make it harder is nothing more than feel good bullsh!t

          • Esh325

            I never said it would prevent every single person Dan, but it does prevent many. Do you think Adam Lanza would have killed as many people if he had a knife instead of an AR15? With all due respect the tool used to kill somebody matters. There are a lot of crazy people in Europe too, but the difference is that when they go on killing sprees, most of them don’t have the easy access to guns like the USA does, they rely on less lethal methods.

          • Dan

            Adam lanza wanted to kill a lot of people, he could have made a bomb, drove a gas truck into a crowded area. Guns are not the only way to kill people. Less lethal? If it can kill you a knife is just as lethal as a gun a rock is just as lethal as a gun. Like i said the situation is far more complex than what you know. I will bet with every way possible the U.S. see’s more murders with baseball bats than your country. More people are probably strangle by underwear here. Our most notable serial killers have killed more over their “career” than any mass shooter with high cap magazines. Why is that not as horrible? If i kill 30 people in 15 years with a lenght of rope i am somehow less of a monster than some guy mowing down 9 people in a church. Again focusing on the tool. American crime is our problem. Your solutions will not solve it. You and I are more likely to accidentally sleep together than me being shot by a cop. Violence outside of a drunken bar fight doesn’t happen here. Why? Who knows could be the lack of racial tension. We worry too much about the action and not what led up to it or what triggered it.

          • Dan

            Not sure what i wanted to say with racial tension. Had two discussions going on at the same time. Ignore that i guess.

          • Jon

            Ask the Chinese or you can just Google it. They had a knife attack the same day as Sandy Hook that wounded 22 kids. Another one on May 02, 2014, 29 dead from knife attack at train station in China. Remember knives kill people, oh wait maybe I have that backwards, oh well cares right there not guns!!!

          • Dan

            Timothy McVeigh killed far more people with a truck bomb than he ever would have with a gun. Should we have psych tests for moving truck rentals? How about restrictions on the size of moving trucks? Something here changed. Guns have always been here but thr senseless violence has never been this bad.

          • Grindstone50k

            You sure about that? Violence is at an all time low.

          • Dan

            How long do the records go back

          • M40

            You’ve just nailed the “dirty little secret” that liberals and the media are so careful to conceal. Gun crime, gun violence and murders have been DECLINING in the U.S. for decades, even as legal gun ownership has been INCREASING. This is an irreconcilable fact.

            If you take gang-related violence and murder out of the statistics, America is actually one of the safest places on earth. So the problem we DO have in America is a subculture of “gangsta” violence. This (obviously) has NOTHING to do with legal gun ownership. In fact, if you take the most liberal places with the strictest gun control (Chicago, LA, Detroit, DC, etc) out of the statistics, the rest of America is actually safer than most of Europe, and among the most crime free places on earth.

            If liberals were actually interested in public safety or curbing violent crime, they might start with this “gangsta” culture that is killing thousands, and responsible for a huge portion of the violent crime across America. Instead they focus on things like high capacity magazines (which are used in less than 1/1000 of all gun crimes). So the liberal crusade against guns has NOTHING to do with crime or with public safety. In fact, ‘gun control’ has NEVER been about guns… it has always been about control.

          • Grindstone50k

            You do know that he murdered the AR15’s owner in order to get possesion of it, right? So your premise failed right from the start. Further, even if he didn’t have access to an AR, do you really think that if he wanted to kill a lot of people but couldn’t do it with an AR he’d just shrug his shoulders, say “shucks” and move on to be a happy and productive citizen? Or maybe, just maybe he’d find another means? Would you ban that too?

          • milesfortis

            And how would any of your platitudinous regurgitations have stopped him?
            None.
            He got his guns by murdering his mother.
            No background check would have worked
            No waiting period would have worked
            Murder was the method he used

          • Wolfgar

            There is a complete ban of all firearms in Federal prisons. Last I heard there were still a lot of people being killed in them. I guess criminals will adapt and use other tools for crimes. Yes crazies will go on killing yet law abiding citizens should have the tools to defend themselves . You did note all most all of these mass shootings occurred in gun free zones,AKA good guys are not allowed to have guns zones. The FBI uniform crime report division states that 1 to 2 million crimes are prevented every year in the US by privately owned firearms. Since concealed carry has been legalized across the US murders and violent assaults have dropped astronomically. Try again!

          • Wolfgar

            Do you know more people die in the US from falling out of bed than die from all rifles let alone semi autos. Try again!

          • Creepermoss

            So stay in Europe. Problem solved.

          • Sianmink

            The worst single-actor massacres have been done with fire and explosives, not rifles. Both are readily available everywhere in the world.
            Discuss.

          • Grindstone50k

            Yeah, you have to prove to the government that you’re innocent, otherwise you’re automatically guilty until they say otherwise. Nice place.

          • Wolfgar

            The psych test didn’t work for the co pilot on the Germanwings Airliner who committed suicide and killed everyone aboard the plane.Try again!

      • Goody

        Look how that worked out for Australia in the 1920s. The hard working, brave and strong men came back broken or never came back at all.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        They’re so well programmed that they become hysterical upon seeing an armed LEO.

    • john huscio

      All the worthwhile Scots moved to the new world over the past 300 years……what’s left are those who didn’t mind living under the British boot….

  • Simondrake

    “They become afraid of the mundane.”
    Or perhaps the reverse is the problem, if people all around you in a shopping centre could kill you in a second the frightening becomes the mundane. Which society is safer?

    • M.M.D.C.

      Hmm, that’s an interesting thought. I suppose if one were extremely paranoid (hypothetically speaking, of course) very little would seem mundane.

    • KestrelBike

      But if you’re a smaller, weaker person, everyone already can kill you just by grabbing a can of soup (bludgeon) or just use their bare hands. It’s all in intent.

      • Esh325

        If you were a smaller weaker person would you rather your attacker try to choke you or shoot you. Which one do you think do you stand a better chance surviving?

        • DZ

          So who’s paying the most nowadays for anti 2A shilling?

          • Esh325

            Such a common argument to say the person who holds a different opinion than you obviously must be payed without any evidence to back it up.

          • DZ

            Then enlighten me as to why you came to our little corner of the internet, if only to dissgree and disrupt conversation on a vaild topic we all understand? I dont much go to websites of places and of things I disagree or dislike, register, and create disharmony for fun often.

          • Sianmink

            If you’re being paid, they should ask for their money back.

          • Esh325

            And it’s funny you say that because the gun lobby in America has spent more money buying people off than any gun control group. So if anybody is likely to be payed off in your hair brained conspiracy theory, it would be you.

          • Ross Gilmore

            That is technically not true. Anti-gun groups spend way more money.

          • Esh325
          • Esh325

            You’re incorrect. Totally lobbying for gun rights is $12,013,482 and gun control is $1,942,396 http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=Q13++

            http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=Q12++

          • Dan

            Care to tell us all now how much former Mayor Bloombergs group has spent on gun control? $50 million is it? Or you can also look at the free op ed pieces done by the media telling Americans how scary guns are. You should already know that though as most of your research is done on sites that have shown an unfavorable attitude towards gun ownership.

          • Esh325

            So your own FBI has unfavorable views against gun ownership which is a website I cited and people against me also cited?

          • Dan

            Ok 1 good source. Cnn and huffpost? C’mon bruh you can do better than that.

          • milesfortis

            Ah HAH.

            Words out of your own mouth.

            I’ll quote them before you edit them out.:

            “So your own FBI has unfavorable views against gun ownership which is a website I cited and people against me also cited?”
            You’re not even a U.S. citizen, you have no dog in the fight.
            You are simply trolling.
            Thanks for showing us that, foreigner.

          • Esh325

            I already told you. The numbers show that Pro Gun lobby has spent more than gun control groups. If you can’t accept these facts then that is your problem.

          • Dan

            Bloomberg alone outspent the pro gun groups

        • Laserbait

          I’d rather my attacker just lie down in pool of his own blood, reflecting on the poor decisions he’s made in his life.

          • au

            the person doesn’t have to be paid, the person may be just wrong.

        • KestrelBike

          I’d pick the scenario where I can legally defend myself with the most effective tool that gives me the best chance of surviving any violent encounter instigated outside of my control.

        • Phil Hsueh

          Neither, being shot does not mean instant death, or even a slow death. Just look at the casualty figures for every war involving firearms, the number of deaths is much lower than the number of people wounded. There’s lots of places on the human body where a bullet can go that won’t cause a fatal or lethal wound, not saying that it won’t hurt but there’s plenty of places where you can get hit and won’t die.

          Strangulation, on the other hand, is slower, than say a bullet to the heart or brain, but it’s quicker than you think. Depending on the strength of the assailant it won’t take all that long until they’ve choked you to death, esp. if they know what they’re doing. It’s also very hard to defeat a much larger and/or stronger person trying to strangle than avoiding someone randomly shooting a place that you happen to be at.

          At the end of the day, dead is dead, you’re no more dead by being shot than by being strangled. You’re not coming back no matter how you were killed.

        • BaconLovingInfidel

          If I’m the smaller, weaker opponent, I want legal, efficient access to appropriate weapons to eliminate the disadvantage.

  • sam

    Makes sense to me, I mean, I see a bunch of police cars with the lights on, I’ll take notice… It’s not that I’m afraid of lights. The people there might be afraid of firearms, but I hesitate to point the finger.

  • HenryV

    Police Scotland are a bit of joke in the UK. Infamous for investigating trolling on social media over doing real police work.

  • Mr Mxyzptlk

    The statement that “Police officers are not armed unless responding to a firearms offense
    or if life is threatened” is not true. They are patrolling around just like other police, it is just that there are less of them and the situations to which they are deployed are different. Also, I would assume that the majority of the people who saw this officer would not have complained, but a couple of morons did which makes it news worthy.

    To put things into context though, unless you are in a large city such as London you are pretty unlikely to actually see an armed policeman unless he is actually responding to a call so to most people this would have seemed somewhat unusual. In the US it would be comparable to a SWAT officer browsing the ready-meal isle carrying an M4.

  • Tom

    Slow news day I reckon. Round my way we quite often see armed constables about their business. Now maybe its because its a rural area and as they stated in hot fuzz everyone and their mother has a gun or maybe we are just smart enough to understand that the police have guns because sometimes the bad guys do too and the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is to have a good guy with a gun, or Batman that would work too.

    If anyone wants to have a laugh at the UK Police though check out the Isles of Scilly Police Facebook page. Back in July they investigated a suspected alien abduction and promoted a cat to the rank of Deputy Chief Constable.

  • Wolfgar

    My family befriended a family from France. The mother cleaned houses and was freaked out when she saw a BB gun in one of the homes she was cleaning. She was absolutely terrified of firearms. She said movies and the culture in France had a big effect on her negative outlook on firearms. Long story short I gradually taught her about shooting in Montana and how it was a way of life and deserves no more fear than learning to drive safely. Today she shoots in Practical shooting and is a solid C shooter with her Glock 34. The anti’s in this country know how propaganda works especially with the un-informed but unlike other countries we have a strong gun culture and Second amendment that shuts down all the Hoplophobic insanity,”at least in my neck of the woods”. Dictators love ignorance!

    • Esh325

      I have no idea about French cinema, but do you think Hollywood movies have this anti-gun bias you’re talking about? Hollywood movies have helped the gun industry in the USA a lot. A lot of people went out and bought S&W model 29’s when Dirty Hary came out. France doesn’t have dictators, nor does the rest of Europe.

      • Wolfgar

        Your absolutely correct, Hollyweird, oops I mean Hollywood produces only realistic factual firearm based movies,like the ability to curve the bullet in the movie Wanted. Such movies represents the shooting techniques I see in the Practical shooting and multi gun matches that I participate in. Your correct again, all of Europe is a free land as long as you follow the PC rules and obey the dictators,oops I mean elected leaders laws. I wonder if my friends from France would agree with you since they and many of their European friends that have moved to the USA,” have for some un disclosed reason” no desire to move back. I guess you would have to talk to them about why they left a safe and free land for such a dangerous gun crazy ,cop murdering society. Cheers!

        • Esh325

          A real fool you are, and it’s sad don’t realize it.

          • Wolfgar

            Now come the personal insults, right on time . Cheers!

          • Esh325

            Okay, I apologize. You’re not a fool, you’re just very ignorant. That’s not an insult, but a fact.

          • Wolfgar

            Well your insults,oops “I mean facts” are getting nicer, I guess that’s an improvement 🙂

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          The US system is an extremely polarised, but static, two-party system, most European countries have 5-8 larger Parties to chose from, which again form coalitions. It is a much more fluid system. Who are these dictators you speak of?

          • Esh325

            Not to mention the insane amount of legal bribery going on in the US Political system. Many European countries have already passed laws against this.

          • Wolfgar

            Your absolutely right. I wish I could live in Europe where there isn’t just 2 but 5 parties working around the clock vying for power so they can pass laws to keep a person safe. What a heaven it must be to live where a person can sleep snug at night knowing some one else is watching over them. WOW, what a great place Europe must be!

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Maybe you could take a class on political science or something, to get som other impulses. Who am I kidding.. USA USA USA!!!

            Again, who are these dictators you are talking about?

          • Wolfgar

            Again with the insults, I would love to have a civil discussion about European politics vs the U.S. and the pros and cons of gun control as I did with my new friends from France, but since you feel compelled to rely on mud throwing as a valid debate tool I will pass. If you truly wish to understand what the second amendment is about read the University of Hawaii’s study on democide. Then you will have a better understanding of where the Americans support of private gun ownership comes from. O-by the way the dictators are Hitler Mau sa tung, Mussolini, Castro, Stalin are a few who come to mind. Yes I know they all didn’t come from Europe but they are a few good examples of gun control loving dictators.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Nothing about your previous comment which I responded to were civil, or even remotely insightful. Your debate technique seem to be based around ridiculing and bullying, then taking the role as the victim. Private gun ownership in Europe is not in any way rare, but they are controlled and you gotta go through certain legal hoops to get a lot of what is obtainable over the counter in the US. Not that it is a good argument in any way, but illegal weapons are easily obtainable where I live, and the penalty if caught is negligible. You also seem confused on some terms here. Debating “European” gun right don´t even make sense. There are many countries on the European continent, and all have different gun regulations. Where I live, we can own full-autos (as a registered collector), hand guns for self-defence (by documenting a need), AR-15-style weapons for IPSC and suppressors are not even restricted and available over the counter. Also, we have conscription, so our armed forces really do represent the median population, and we get to keep our service rifle at home… Oh, and our government is centre-right, but easily socialist compared to the US. Oh, and we have the second highest GDP on the planet, so you can now easily find out where I´m from.

          • Jon

            You live China, I thought you said you lived in Europe now I am really lost. U.S. has number 1 GDP and China is number 2, so you might want to do you fact checking, because Switzerland is not it!!!! Or Germany.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Yep. Turned out I brainfarted and wrote GDP (and even forgot to write pr capita). I really meant HDI, which I was still wrong about. We´re not nr 2 in HDI, wr´re nr 1. Adjuster for inequality? Still nr 1. Turns out we´re nr 6 in GDP pr capita. Surprise, Switzerland is not the only country where you can own fun guns…!

          • Wolfgar

            I have a friend from your neck of the woods if that is where you truly live. He is a gentleman and cultured person whom I am proud to call my friend. My response is what we call sarcasm. It is a more civilized way of dealing with hostile people who use insults as a debating tool . I’m sorry if I hurt your feelings, please tell me where you felt I ridiculed and bullied you in my reply. Let’s see I called you impulsive, a fool,sad,clueless and ignorant, oh wait those were the insults thrown at me by you and your supporter Esh325. Oh by the way China has the second highest GDP on the planet,not Switzerland which is 20 on the list if this is the country you were implying your from. Nice try,CHEERS!

          • Wolfgar

            One more thing I never said I wanted to discuss European gun control I stated I would have loved to have a civil discussion on European politics and the pros and cons of gun control if it would be civil.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            You know what, I was wrong. I really meant HDI, not GDP, that was a brainfart on my behalf. Turn out I was wrong anyway, because we´re not nr 2, we´re number 1. Oh, and adjusted for inequality, we´re number 1. As for GDP, we´re still nr 6 on GDP pr capita… I mean, fcuk this socialist hole. Guess what. I´m not in Switzerland. Surprise right? That means there are 2 Euro countries with decent gun laws. This evening must be a major mindf*ck for you.

          • Wolfgar

            I agree 100% with your first sentence. Cheers!

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Troll.

          • iksnilol

            It wasn’t Switzerland, try again.

          • Wolfgar

            Try reading my posts slower I said, Norway.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, you guessed Switzerland. Again, screenshot for proof:

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d8c2ccec95f1ca9ab1ae983848094b6891bf769e4c209640e58c267d5d25703f.png

            You’re a bad liar.

          • Wolfgar

            Look again.

            Wolfgar

            G0rdon_Fr33man

            3 hours ago

            Your logic and replies are a result of a major mind —- You
            better get some more sleep, your brain is farting again. Now I
            understand how my relatives conquered Norway with little problem.

          • iksnilol

            That was later on. Your first guess was Switzerland.

          • Wolfgar

            And your point is?

          • iksnilol

            That you guessed wrong, my dearest nazi troll.

          • Wolfgar

            I guess I’m the first Nazi with Indian blood, kind of a stupid logic on your part. Again this is my post, not yours. TROLL

          • iksnilol

            Maybe you are. Still, why are you proud of your Nazi ancestors?

          • Wolfgar

            Who said I was proud of any Nazi’s . I said I now know how my relatives conquered Norway with little trouble. I hate all gun control,example my comment on Hitler the dictator who loves gun control. Makes no sense as your posts. Keep digging this is entertaining.

          • BaconLovingInfidel

            “Not that it is a good argument in any way, but illegal weapons are easily obtainable where I live, and the penalty if caught is negligible.”

            Where are penalties for gun crime negligible?

          • Esh325

            UGH! Castro was born in Cuba and was a leader in Cuba NOT SPAIN!

          • Jon

            Dude he never said Castro was from Spain, but speaking of dictators. Who was that dictator of Spain, supported by Hitler during the Spanish Civil War? Hmm!!!! Maybe General Franco.

          • Wolfgar

            You beat me to it LOL.

          • milesfortis

            And he’s still dead!

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Are we reciting history now? He spoke of dictators as in present, which there are none… Oh, that dude in Belarus, which technically is in Europe.

          • Wolfgar

            I did?

          • iksnilol

            Yes you did. You said to enjoy our dictators, then you sarcastically corrected that to elected representatives.

          • Wolfgar

            I’m sorry if I made you sad. I’ll try to be more sensitive.

          • iksnilol

            You didn’t make me mad, it is simply you are illogical. I have no respect for illogical people. What with their emotions and stupidity.

          • Wolfgar

            I agree, wasting my time talking on this forum with trolls is very illogical, but entertaining.

          • iksnilol

            Crazy as it sounds; I agree, so I won’t waste more time on trolls such as you.

          • Wolfgar

            Agreed, 🙂 The problem is it was my post that you are trolling on. More logic of yours I assume.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, that’s kinda hard considering your circular, fallacious logic.

          • Wolfgar

            I thought you weren’t going to waste any more of your time with illogical people. I guess you think I’m logical now,awesome.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, I just fired a parthian shot. In the hopes I could reach out.

            Good luck my dearest nazi troll, you shan’t hear from me anymore.

          • Wolfgar

            Your welcome but once again Nazi’s like gun control, I don’t. Nazi’s are socialist I’m not, Nazis hated people of mixed blood like me so calling me a Nazi makes about as much logic as your other post’s. Pathetic. By the way I also have Jewish blood on my mothers side. Try again!

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            You did.

          • iksnilol

            No logic from you. You complain about European dictators and all the people you list are either dead or not from Europe.

          • Wolfgar

            The question was what dictators like gun control, again try reading slower, your reading comprehension is in trouble.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, you were clear about Europe and dictators.

            Screenshot for proof, mothertrucker! :
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7f9396fea377b9f9b72d940d4841a4348d996b8778bc6b6f36718663d87f2a1a.png

          • Wolfgar

            If you notice I corrected my use of dictator. No, my mother doesn’t drive a truck.

          • Wolfgar

            I stated dictators who loved gun control. I guess with your logic there will never be abuse of power in Europe ever again. OK!

          • iksnilol

            Then why did you write what you wrote? The stuff I highlighted in the screenshot.

            I mean, this isn’t a case of “my logic” vs “your logic”.

          • claymore

            Dude you don’t know that we have had bribery laws since laws were first used?

          • Wolfgar

            No argument here,Esh325 has changed my life. I’m disposing of all of my firearms and moving to Europe, the land of safety, PC thinking and where no hurt feelings are allowed. I no longer want to play with sharp and dangerous things, what a fool I have been. I have seen the light.

          • john huscio

            Their all socialist/collectivists of varying degrees, even the “right wing” parties…

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            That just proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Seems to me like most right-wing americans define European political spectrum by wether or not they support socialised health care, which they all do because they won´t win votes by wanting otherwise.

            Gotta ask, why not privatize everything? Military, school, road and infrastructure… That´ll solve everything right?

          • john huscio

            Its cute that you think I’m a “right wing” american. That said, i’d be OK with shrinking the federal government down to almost nothing.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            If the USA shrank its federal government down to nothing, there would be major geopolitical repercussions. It would be fun to watch.

          • iksnilol

            But a government without any power is pointless, no?

          • Wolfgar

            Your getting closer. The second amendment is about division of power.

          • iksnilol

            “YOU’RE”!

            FOR F***S SAKE, LEARN CONTRACTIONS!

            Your as in “it was your car”. You’re as in “you are”.

          • Wolfgar

            I’m sure you’re experienced with contractions. 🙂

          • iksnilol

            Doesn’t excuse your lack of apostrophes.

            No, I am not experienced with contractions of the kind you think about. I am experienced in grammatical contractions, though.

          • Wolfgar

            OK…………………………

          • JOHN

            In short?????YES

          • Jim_Macklin

            Not “their” but they are or they’re.
            Since FDR the USA has lid toward socialism. The push really took off with LBJs Great Society which did urban renewal by forcing mostly black nuclear families out of their owned homes and the small businesses run from home, such as auto repair, sewing and tailoring, teaching music and dance.
            Replaced with high rise slums, fathers ejected because the low income was still too much to qualify for Aid to Dependent Children.
            Thank socialism for urban crime.

          • Jon

            In America the people grant the government the right to govern us. In Europe the government grants you rights. There is a big difference my friend!!! Where we are citizens, you are subjects. Also by the way I am a public servant here in the U.S., where my counterparts in Europe are called civil servants. My title even denote my service to the citizens verses service to the state.

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Do you really believe the stuff you write? You have absolutely no idea on how the system(s) work over here do you? I mentioned HDI and GDP in my previous answer to you. Turns out we´re number 1 in the Economists Democracy Index also.. US is 19. lol… Your title, just as ours, are more traditional than descriptive.

          • Wolfgar

            Were not a democracy, were a constitutional republic. Try again!

          • G0rdon_Fr33man

            Not a democracy. Got it.

      • Ko I

        Not to throw fuel on the fire of your internet argument, but Hollywood does have a bit of an anti-gun bias. It’s pretty rare to see a movie where civilian ownership is painted as anything but criminal acts or some lunatic redneck stereotype.

        • Porty1119

          “Jack Reacher” had the old guy with an M1A. That’s literally the only positive example I can think of.

          • Grindstone50k

            “Shooter”. The woman shot a bad guy breaking in, though she did get jumped by the second.

        • Southpaw89

          I must admit that I find myself amused by the common Hollywood hero who hates guns and never uses them, but is suddenly an expert marksman when he finally picks one up.

          • Sianmink

            Inevitably, he is a highly trained ex-military special forces or cop.

        • MANG

          On the other hand, Hollywood really expanded or flat out created the market for many guns. Aside from the 29, there’s Diehard’s porcelain Glock, or the Winchester 1887 repros – I think you can thank Terminator 2 for those shotguns as much as SASS. In fact, Dillon Aero started making minigun parts in the mid-90’s after T2 came out. I’d love for someone to ask Mike Dillon if that movie had anything to do with him getting into the M134 business.

          • milesfortis

            The U.S. military was the ‘anything to do’ with Dillon getting into the M134 business. Not your Hollywierd fantasy.
            We wanted new ones as the inventory was wearing out and spare parts were in extremely short supply. And the original manufacturer was out of the business of making them.
            Dillon saw an opportunity and took it.
            By the way, his product, both DC and AC powered are regarded as the best ever made.
            I know. I worked on them, which also included ‘test firing’ them.
            Yummy.

          • MANG

            Sounds like a neat gig you had. Regardless, all I pointed out was the synchronicity in the timing of that movie, the public’s interest in that gun, and the subsequent introduction of Dillon’s product – those are circumstantial facts, but they’re not wrong, are they?

          • milesfortis

            Synchronistic? Possibly, but that particular minigun was the same one used years earlier in Predator, so if that would be a factor, I think it would have happened earlier.
            I do have a little more insight into T2, and a few earlier ones made by Cameron. A good friend was on the development team for the CGI effects and actually was in T2 (we generously timed it at 1.5 seconds) in the first ‘laboratory’ scene doing what he did for a living, working at a computer.

          • jcitizen

            Dillon also invented a modification to it that made the feed and ejection system work perfectly. The US Army has been beholding to him everysince.

      • Sianmink

        Hollywood movies also regularly portray firearms as something that only highly trained professionals can use effectively without serious unintended consequences. Civilian ownership and use is routinely linked to poor outcomes.

      • dockilldare

        really france and the eu don’t have dictators. tell me genius who votes for he members of the EU Council? give you a hint, IT AINT THE PEOPLE OF THE EU. The heads of the european central banks APPOINT the members of the eu council there is not open vote for these clowns.

        how about that Greek vote not to take any more bailouts and austerity, it was only a small portion of the greek people, something like 80%. yet the ever loving and caring socialist government, ignored the people and took the bailouts, more debt that greece and the greek people can’t afford, and piled it on the the already over taxed greek people without their permission. sounds like oppression to me.

        Germany has had over a half dozen votes to leave the EU since 2010. the LEAST amount of people voting to get out was something in the 55 – 60% range. yet when the German goverment tries to leave the EU they are threatened with invasion by France (as if that would work).

        i dont know when a government ignores the will of the people it doesn’t matter what form of government is supposed to be in place, it is still oppression and tyranny.

        so in conclusion i suggest you do some homework before you speak. not everything is as it seems as seen on american main stream propaganda.

    • wetcorps

      Agreed. The best way to convert somebody from ignorantly anti to pro or at least neutral is to take them to the range, and you guys should do that as much as you can while it’s still easy in the US 🙂

      • Dan

        I do it as much as possible.

      • Mike

        Gun ranges should invite the media to shoot, convert them.

        • sako204

          The media are unwilling to attend. It challenges and confronts their greater leftist agenda.

          • Sicklesteel

            …absolutely true…..they like the holes in the sand deep so they can pack it nice and tight around their heads.

      • Cajun Dubltap

        I joined a local gun club to get my children out of that frame of mind that guns are EVIL (not my doing) and right now have 2 of the 4 that like to come shooting with us. The best part is this club has a shot gun range, pistol range and a rifle range. it is an outdoor range so weather is the dictator of when we can go but we are allowed to shoot for 5AM to 10PM seven days a week (gate code included lol). in time i know i will have all 4 out there enjoying the time shooting and to learn that guns are a tool and when properly used they are nothing to fear but you must respect them..

      • jcitizen

        If you really want to win them over, don’t start with a 44 magnum, or better yet don’t start them on a pistol at all. I always introduce them with an air rifle – preferably a not to powerful one – then a 22 rifle, and if they just have to shoot a pistol after that I start them on a single action with 22 shorts and graduate from there. We need converts not fear mongers.

    • Grindstone50k

      Abandon hope, all ye who read the subcomments past here. For there not be any intelligence to be found.

    • Giolli Joker

      Maybe Eric Grauffel family didn’t have tv…

    • dockilldare

      well done and well said sir.

  • Graham2

    A couple of idiots said something idiotic and it got picked up by another idiot who writes for a newspaper. Like that never happened anywhere else!

  • BattleshipGrey

    #policehungermatters

  • guest

    I would just like to pour some gasolene on the fire by saying Scotland has Europe’s largest cocaine consumption.
    Keep that in mind instead of automatically thinking of Braveheart, Sean Connery and Gordon Ramsay.

  • USMC03Vet

    Those adults should grow the hell up. How coddled and sheltered is western civilization these days that an armed police officer rustles their jimmies?

    • Tom

      Its terrible and to think he was probable just there to pick up some snacks before returning to the station to make sure no one was getting harassed on Twitter or posting offensive comments on Facebook.

  • CR

    The Scots are just about to enact the licensing and registration of pellet guns, so given this there was no need for this officer to shop like this. He obviously felt he needed to pump up his mojo. It’s a shame the Scots have have become so neutered as nation.

  • Riot

    It’s not that people are afraid, it’s that regular polis aren’t meant to be armed.
    But this is from the same head of police that backed banning air rifles, initially thought he could control sports events like he had in england and has his officers stop and search 8 year olds instead of doing any work.

  • CJ Klekar

    William Wallace, had he been properly buried would be turning over in his grave upon hearing how his beloved country has become. Are there no more Bravehearts?

  • The American Crusader

    All Europeans are serfs. What would you expect?

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      Your American ignorance is showing. Please hide it.

      • The American Crusader

        Spoken like a serf.

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          That does not even make sense.

          • Wolfgar

            That”s because your a surf.

      • marathag

        You know nothing, Gordon Freeman.

        well, except crowbars, you should know about them.

      • Wolfgar

        Tell Vladimir hi when he rolls in.

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          Will do. US Army and the rest of NATO will be here backing us up.

  • If his hands are full, how could he possibly draw his gun? It’s like dropping your groceries is unthinkable.

  • Cahal

    The public response to this was because they do not want it to become ‘mundane’ , an everyday occurence.

  • Jonathan Ferguson

    Guys, what happened to “Firearms, not politics”?

    • john huscio

      Tell it to esh…

    • Nicholas Chen

      How is this politic related? It was a report about a public reaction to an armed officer.

      • MANG

        It’s a piece about the culture and politics of Scotland regarding cops and guns. It’s not really about his sidearm itself, not a tech or history piece. Plus it was kind of predictable that people would be tut-tutting those awful socialist Euros over it. Or at least it was predictable to me, having seen a few fights on the internet in my time.

      • Jonathan Ferguson

        Seriously? This is the very definition of politics not firearms; a post about gun laws that contains no info on firearms themselves. As if that wasn’t enough, you then state:

        “This is what happens when you have a majority disarmed populace. They become afraid of the mundane.”

        If you can’t see how this is political (gun control, 2nd amendment, lack thereof in foreign countries, explosion of unmoderated political flame comments) then I don’t know what to tell you.

        As a UK national museum curator, posts like this will prevent me from being able to write anything else for you guys in future, for whatever that’s worth.

        • MANG

          Aw man, don’t do that 🙁 I value international contributions to TFB as a reader, and I’m sure this won’t be repeated.

  • gggplaya

    “His hands were full as he left the store so I don’t think he would have been able to use his gun even if he had to.”

    Wow, it takes an extra half a second to drop the freakin food, what an idiot.

  • I for one would feel much better if all police were disarmed. Actually I’d just feel better if there were no police.

    • Bill

      Suppose a cop said “iId feel much better if all non-police were disarmed………

      • Sorry, what I meant was I’m against Western medicine and It’s been a little hard to get it up lately and dead cops give me boners. Just had to clarify…

  • Abram

    Have we finally dispensed with the Pollyanna ‘Firearms not Politics’ stance? It would appear so, and about time, imho.

    • Haunted Puppeteer

      I don’t think so, and I disagree. Call it Pollyanna if you like, but avoiding the heated, circular, unproductive political discussions of *other* blogs, news sites, and forums, is kind of the point of TFB.

      There are plenty of places for heated political discussion, but I think as far as TFB goes, it’s merely a distraction. Not to mention the fact that it’s rather alienating for lots of people who read TFB from all over the world, and who have all sorts of different political ideologies.

      I believe we are better served setting the politics aside, and letting discussion centered around firearms take priority. If we let the politics take over, this tribal mentality of “us” vs. “them” will continue, further dividing and degrading our community.

    • No we haven’t. This is about the law not politicians.

      • Waz

        Hi Phil, I thought I would reply to you, as I am a little disappointed in your and TFB’s response to this post.

        I don’t agree that this is a post “about the law”.
        It does mention a law, yes, but it offers scant and possibly incorrect information about the law in question, and is of little to no informative value.
        The primary purpose of the post is an offhand quip to pass the authors personal opinion of another countries laws and norms:

        “People were shocked that the police officer was armed with a pistol, taser and CS gas… This is what happens when you have a majority disarmed populace. They become afraid of the mundane”

        I like that you support your authors, however, the point of the article is to disparage the laws and governance of a country and the opinions of that country’s inhabitants, which reads much more like politics than a discussion of firearms or information about “the law”.

        Furthermore, there is no discussion of firmarms in the post, not even a quick note about what sort of pistol the officer might be carrying to act as a fig leaf.

        What makes the post especially galling is that the author’s point about the “mundane” is not logical. Openly carried firearms in Scotland are not, by any stretch of the imagination, and the authors own admission “mundane” in Scotland.

        Writing a dismissive post about people reacting to something you would consider normal but they would not is, at best, uninformed, and at worst, arrogant. There are many things equally mundane elsewhere in the world that would certainly get a reaction from people in the USA.

        So, while I see that you have to support your Authors, I really do believe that a quiet word would be in order, aiming to curb what are, ultimately, demeaning, inaccurate and arrogant posts such as this in future.

        Regards,

        Waz

  • ghost

    Sad.

  • DIR911911 .

    there’s a reason cops over there have to wear stab proof vests

  • Tom Currie

    This is a much more honest attitude than we see in the United States where people totally ignore armed LEOs in uniform and even ignore open carry in civilian clothes if you “look like a detective” (clean cut appearance, in business or business casual attire with a compact duty gun in appropriate strong-side belt holster), but these same people have an absolute heart attack if they think they see a “civilian” carrying.

    Even though it was mentioned in the article, it bears repeating for the sake of Americans (most of whom don’t really read these articles beyond the headline and pictures) that throughout the UK, regular police are NOT normally armed while on duty (although that is changing in many local areas).

  • det1mark

    I am a former British army officer (Brigade of Gurkhas) and so I am not unfamiliar with firearms including the ones paid for in Northern Ireland by the donations of Irish Americans. If I could, I would spend a lot more time in the USA and if at all possible, I would buy guns; lots of them because I enjoy shooting and shooting sports. However, some of the comments in this thread at best lack intelligence and at worst display a xenophobic, redneck ignorance of anything outside the USA. A very large percentage of the posts are irrelevant to the discussion.
    I would agree that in Britain, some firearms laws are draconian however, it cannot be disputed that the lack of freely available guns leads to very low instances of firearms-related violence in the UK. To assert that such a situation would be possible in the USA is pointless because there’s no point slamming the gate shut after the horse has bolted. In the USA, guns are here to stay. You can’t push the genie back into the bottle etc. etc.
    However, in other parts of the world such as Scotland/Britain guns are not part of daily life and the vast majority of people do not resent this situation. Rifles/firearms and shotguns (and the two are distinct weapon types in the UK) are generally considered to be the preserve of country folks who might have need of such instruments for the control of vermin or the culling of deer and wild hogs. There is also a view by the authorities that an individual who wants a firearms certificate needs to prove why they need to have a firearm (or shotgun). I could go on but have no wish to get into the usual US arguments for the pros and cons of firearms ownership because the US situation is, in general, completely different to other countries so we would simply be comparing apples with oranges.
    The point is, the overt display of firearms in the UK is unfamiliar to the vast majority of the population. The UK police are generally not armed and so people are only used to seeing armed police officers patrolling the airports or at incidents where an armed response unit is deemed necessary. To see a police officer toting a pistol in a supermarket is unusual and it is highly understandable that intelligent members of the public wonder why this is happening.
    This is not an indication that Scottish people or British people in general are nervous pansies. In fact, we British manage to recruit members of our population into some of the World’s finest military units where we arm them and send them off to kill the Queen’s enemies; which they do very well.
    In my experience, people in the USA are among some of the kindest, most well-mannered and courteous folks that I have ever come across. When I am in the USA, I generally respect the views of the citizenry including sensible attitudes towards gun ownership. I would simply ask that people from the USA respect the values of people in other countries too, without branding us and our authorities as fools.
    By the way and as an aside, here in Hong Kong where I live, gun ownership laws are even more draconian and the police here are overtly armed all the time.

    • milesfortis

      “….I would agree that in Britain, some firearms laws are draconian however, it cannot be disputed that the lack of freely available guns leads to very low instances of firearms-related violence in the UK….”

      How about violent crime, or just violence,(since, in England, they don’t count it as a ‘crime’ until the perpetrator had been completely adjudicated) compared on a per capita basis.

      Let’s do a thought experiment. There is a room with 100 people. In one room there is a gun, and one person will be killed with it. 1 death per hundred, 1 “gun death” per hundred. In another room there are no guns, just a knife. 2 people will be killed. 2 deaths per hundred, but 0 “gun deaths.” which is “safer?” Using the metric “gun death” or “firearms-related violence”, doesn’t tell you the total rate.

    • Bungameng

      “I would agree that in Britain, some firearms laws are draconian however,
      it cannot be disputed that the lack of freely available guns leads to
      very low instances of firearms-related violence in the UK.”

      I don’t see that as a valid point. If someone is on the receiving end of violence, they generally care very little whether it is firearm-related, knife-related, brick-related, or whatever else. UK currently has abhorrent violent crime rates (albeit not firearm-related) from the perspective of other EU countries, and that in situation when law abiding citizens are basically prohibited from defending themselves in any effective way.

      In the end UK has higher (albeit marginally) murder rate than countries like Switzerland or Czech Republic, both with quite permissive gun laws.

    • Sianmink

      ” it cannot be disputed that the lack of freely available guns leads to very low instances of firearms-related violence in the UK. ”
      It can, actually, because the UK has historically had a very low rate of firearms violence, even back to the 1930’s, when UK and USA gun laws were effectively identical.
      I see no compelling evidence that the tight restrictions in the UK have had any impact whatsoever on said violence.

  • milesfortis

    You’ve been doing a sorry job of it.
    You should try another job. This one sure doesn’t fit your resume’.

  • det1mark

    The point is that in the UK, it is less likely that there will be a gun in the room with 100 people in it. It’s an indisputable fact. Like I said, I’m not going to argue the pros and cons of gun ownership in the USA as all points made would be moot. Guns are in the USA to stay and gun ownership attitudes in the US are irrelevant to the attitudes and laws of other countries.
    As for knives in the UK, you don’t have to be in a room with 100 people and threatening to stab them in order to be committing a crime. You’re already committing a crime if the knife you’re carrying is a fixed blade or a locking folder. Personally, I think that banning the carry of a locking folder is ludicrous because thugs who want to carry knives for criminal purposes will carry whatever they want. On that matter, the UK is full of low-life scum who carry knives and stab people and again, personally, if I were to be threatened by one I’d like to be able to draw a pistol and shoot them. However, I can’t and, the fact that these knife carriers exists will still not convince me that the UK should adopt the same attitude to firearms ownership as the USA. It’s a different society.

  • ColaBox

    Amazing. A hundred years ago the Scotts were beating each other with logs and bar stools for fun. Now their afraid of a COP with a pistol. Good job England.

    • kyphe

      Scots are far more anti gun than the rest of the UK, it was the Scottish campaign after Dunblane that took the pistols from the English.

  • Waz

    Whatever happened to ‘Firearms Not Politics’?
    As a long time reader, these sorts of posts ruin this site for me.

  • The Forty ‘Twa

    This is all political really and I think this article is lacking some important context. The Police Service in Scotland has become something of a political football over the years and certain sections of the population in Scotland seem to have jumped on anything to do with armed policing to hit back at the SNP (who form the Scottish Government).

    The Police Service of Scotland is a newly formed force which came into being when eight smaller forces in Scotland were amalgamated in 2013 (plus the Scottish Police Services Authority). Prior to the merger, a lot of the smaller forces in Scotland did not have full time firearms cover, instead using officers in other roles to provide cover when required.

    With the formation of Police Scotland, full time firearms cover was rolled out nationally and standing authority was given to armed officers to carry their sidearm at all times. Previously, this was not the case in all legacy forces with armed officers only kitting up when deploying to jobs. Having been an AFO prior to the merger this was a massive pain in the hoop and the new policy is far more sensible than having to pull over the motor and spend ten minutes waiting for authorisation, running checks and kitting up on the way to an incident.

    In my experience, most folks are more than happy to come and engage with armed officers and I used to find people would come and ask me all sorts of questions about my role and were generally very positive about it all. You’d get the odd person here and there whinge about it but generally they were in the minority. You do get people who have irrational fears about firearms but they aren’t nearly as common as some of you seem to think and as somebody who used to live in the US, I met plenty of people like that when I was over there as well.

  • Anon

    Wait, am I on TTAG?

  • det1mark

    Bungameng, I am afraid that you are looking at this from the USA freedom to bear arms (and right to defend yourself) perspective. The vast majority of people in the UK would agree with me in countering your argument with the statement that if the UK had lax gun ownership laws, the abhorrent violent crime rates in the UK would increase and the crimes would be perpetrated by people who would now possess more freely available guns. I am not qualified to comment on Switzerland or the Czech Republic except to say that they are different countries with a different social demographic to the UK where we have managed to cultivate scumbags at industrial levels. Also, whilst gun laws in Switzerland and the Czech Republic are perhaps more permissive than those in the UK, they are not even close to being as permissive as those in the USA. To the average European, the USA and its gun laws constitute the Wild West. There are many reasons (too numerous to go into here) why intelligent Europeans and Brits would not welcome the NRA’s take on guns (Historical context? A different social outlook?). The vast majority of people have no interest in guns and this as true for Americans as it is for Brits and Europeans. It would be flawed thinking on my part to assume that because I am a gun enthusiast, so is everyone else. It’s very easy for American gun enthusiasts to assume that others share their views or to assert that others should share their views. Partly, this is because your “hobby” or “interest” is so freely available to partake of and partly it’s because the gun enthusiasts somehow need to justify their stance in the face of criticism from the anti-gun lobbyists. I can see both sides of the argument, though I think it’s a bit naive and late for the anti-gun folks to expect change. The cat is not going to be put back in the bag. I also accept that among gun enthusiasts in America, the vast majority are responsible, law abiding citizens.
    Like I say, I’m a gun enthusiast and I would love to be able to spend more time in the USA enjoying such a hobby but I would never advocate that my own country follow the USA’s lead on gun laws. I/we don’t perceive a need for it.
    I am also a former professional soldier and I hold fairly strong opinions about safety and training where firearms are concerned. I’ve read your Second Amendment and I love your awesome Constitution but I still get the creeps when I see a kid (twenties?) in Cabelas in Springfield, Oregon asking the guy behind the gun counter “what’s that?” whilst pointing to a Glock and 20 minutes later purchasing the damned thing without really knowing what it is. I don’t find it unreasonable to expect someone to have to undergo training before they’re allowed to own a firearm. American gun enthusiasts need to try and accept that we are just different and on some matters relating to guns, we will have to agree to disagree. In the course of this conversation I have not attacked US gun enthusiasts, I have simply tried to defend the views of those people in Scotland where mass ownership of firearms doesn’t happen. Whilst American gun enthusiasts might consider these folks to be scared cry-babies, those same folks might see your perceived need to be constantly armed as some form of disturbingly comical paranoia. Hey, don’t shoot the messenger, please (no pun intended)! We’re all different and the American culture is probably more different to the Brits than that of the French in spite of the fact that we (US/UK) use English as a common language. People outside the USA don’t see Americans (and guns and gun enthusiasts) the way you think they do. I have no doubt that there are many expatriate Brits living in the US who would disagree with some, if not all of what I have said. Great, they’re entitled to their opinion and I wish I was in the US buying guns so that I could discuss these matters with them.

  • Goody

    That’s it, I’m switching to Bourbon.

  • Wolfgar

    Your logic and replies are a result of a major mind —- You better get some more sleep, your brain is farting again. Now I understand how my relatives conquered Norway with little problem.

    • iksnilol

      Wait a sec, you’re that nazi guy?

      • Wolfgar

        Sorry my American relatives kicked the Nazi’s butts. Your welcome. Great more Euro trolls.

        • iksnilol

          You said your ancestors conquered Norway. Englishmen or Americans never conquered Norway.

          Only people who conquered Norway were the Nazis in WW2. I spite of Norway being in a couple of unions they weren’t invaded.
          Also, Americans didn’t really help kick out the Nazis out of Norway. The English and their secret services did.

          • Wolfgar

            The unique thing about being an American, my relatives come from all over the world. German , English ,Seminole and Black foot Indian and many more. I had relatives fighting on both sides during world War 2. Notice I am an American.

          • iksnilol

            Still, you said you are proud of your ancestors that conquered Norway. Ergo, you are proud of your nazi heritage. Ergo, you are a nazi sympathizer at the very least.

          • Wolfgar

            This time re read very slowly what I stated above. I hate everything about Nazism unlike yourself. You need a history lesson about the Nazi’s.

          • Lightforce

            I just noticed that you are an arsehole.

          • Wolfgar

            I’m sorry, did I insult your pro nazi sympathy? My only response is too bad! They were eradicated for a reason,read a history book.

          • Lightforce

            Not at all, i am not in any way an nazi sympathist. You must be a very small man hunched over your keyboard getting a thrill out of annoying the pants off people by spouting your garbage! Stick to watching porn.

          • Wolfgar

            You disagree with my pro gun, constitutional beliefs on freedom and my disdain for Nazism by calling it garbage and then you claim you are not a fascist by supporting fascist beliefs. Then like your European troll friends you are only able to respond with insults and derogatory remarks but your insults have an over obsession use of sex and body parts. “Freud was right”!

          • Lightforce

            No, I do not disagree with you being pro gun, I have them myself, what I have trouble with is your superior attitude. America did not win the war, granted you played a massive part in it but you did not do it on your own. Take a look what American interference has done now, the world is a more dangerous place than ever! Islamic terrorists all over the place. Let’s see what “the greatest country in the world” and all you hero’s can do about that…..Also, where does it infer that I am pro nazi?

          • Wolfgar

            Calling me a name after my anti fascist reply would tend to imply pro fascist sympathy. I had an uncle who died at Anzio fighting the Germans so I can get a little sensitive on this subject. If I gave a superior attitude I apologize as that was not my intent. The acid tongue can flow both ways when people on both ends tend to mis judge the other. I think all the western nations are in deep trouble including the US if they stay on the path they are going. I would agree with you about American mistakes and the way it has handled foreign affairs in the last decade or more. I personally never supported this approach. Till next time have a good night.

          • Lightforce

            My father was called up at eighteen years of age, next thing he knew he was landing at gold beach in a Sherman tank! I meant no offence,I should never post after a beer or two…we are not so innocent either.

          • Lightforce

            I just noticed you are an arsehole.

          • Wolfgar

            No the US and the soviets destroyed Nazi Germany. Without those 2 countries you would be speaking German today. With out the US you would be speaking Russian today. Again, your welcome.

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      We´re still number 1.

      • BaconLovingInfidel

        Do you have a giant foam finger to prove it?

  • Sianmink

    There’s only about 2 with halfway decent gun laws. Switzerland and Czech Republic. Both are roughly equivalent with Canada, with the Czechs getting bonus points for a decent concealed carry system.

    Largely unenforced in rural France too but that doesn’t really count.

    • G0rdon_Fr33man

      Include Scandinavia, Finland and Germany and Poland also. I really don´t know much about the rest. You can own pretty much whatever you want, as long as you go through the legal hoops.

      • Sianmink

        Scandinavia isn’t a country man. XD Germany’s ok but has some real nonsense to go with it. Finland’s always been a rifleman culture so cool.

        • G0rdon_Fr33man

          Well, I´m Norwegian (By Scandinavia I meant Norway, Sweden and Denmark), and can attest for the fact that while we do have details in our gun regs that are stupid, we have fairly easy access to firearms in general. I now have 10 pistols, 2 AR-style rifles (MR308 and MR223) and my service rifle (HK416) 2 bolt actions and a double barrel shotgun. All my firearms that can accept a suppressor, has a suppressor as it does not require paperwork at all to own them. My little brother actually made an RDIAS in high-school as well, legal to own, illegal to use. .50 BMG is illegal, but 20mm is a-ok, so yeah… You just gotta know the regs, have a massive wallet, and you can have fun here as well.

          • Sianmink

            Glad to hear it. I’ve got several Swedish and Danish friends, and they’re good people.

          • I think the biggest difference Americans would point out is your comment, “You just gotta know the regs, have a massive wallet”. In America ownership of firearms is a guaranteed right to law abiding citizens, so the only hurdles in buying a firearm are a National criminal records check and money in your pocket.

            The records check occurs at the gun shop counter with a phone call to NICS, not at a bureaucratic office where the government middleman grants you permission to buy, and can also stop the process for any minor regulation questions. The government is not allowed to keep registries (though I question that they do), and do not have any regulatory authority on firearms ownership after purchase unless the person is convicted of a felony crime.

            In regards to money, there are dozens of affordable handguns, rifles, and shotguns in America making ownership for the poor realistically available. If firearms in Europe are so expensive they are cost prohibitive to all but the upper middle class and wealthy, you begin to have a de-facto ban on the poor. In that regard firearms ownership is only viable for the privileged.

  • phuzz

    It’s not really mundane if it’s not something most people see from day to day. Outside of London most people in the UK probably go years between seeing a gun that’s not on TV.

  • Victor Lourenço

    Bunch of whinny little girls. That’s what they are, the lot of them. And to think William Wallace died for this people.

  • ghost

    I think more of you need to go to charm school.

  • Mike

    What, no kilt !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    In some parts of The UK the police are always armed, on and off duty. Look at Northern Ireland. Most US Police forces would love to have the same equipment as they do in Northern Ireland.

  • ghost930

    I find this just a sad statement of society for our UK brethren, who despite this insanity still keep a rigorous shooting sports program alive through stubborn perseverance. This is the kind of mentality that allows a young British soldier to be attacked and killed, and his head nearly cut off on a busy city street in a major UK metropolitan area with no help except from an older woman from the last generation before it became illegal to defend yourself in the UK. Just a pitiful statement that they would be frightened of, or critical of the very person, and office that is there to ensure their security. Probably would have been a different response if the Constable had been responding to a Muslim extremist shooting up the grocery store with an AK, or cutting someone’s head off.

  • mugwump

    With all due respect to the Scottish, i have visited Falkirk MANY times and its a barbaric craphole, particularly in town centre on a Saturday night after all the knobs have had their multi cans of Special Brew. To fear an armed cop is the hight of stupidity, since most yobs are knived up or carrying a box cutter (xacto knife).

  • LNG

    that’s pretty bad if your afraid of a cop getting lunch. everybody’s gotta eat

  • Murphy

    “This is what happens when you have a majority disarmed populace. They become afraid of the mundane.”

    Whatever happened to “firearms not politics”? As your own article states police forces in the UK and Ireland only carry weapons when on duty in situations that are judged to warrant a possible use of deadly force, this policy is both a traditional and successful one, as shown by the fact the US police have fatally shot people 298 times more than those in the UK.

    There was no “fear” involved here, the officer in question was carrying a firearm at a time when it clearly wasn’t warranted. The shock was over the breach in procedure, an armed officer carrying his weapon while shopping for lunch is not a mundane occurrence in the policing tradition of the British Isles. Which is totally different in attitude to that of the Americans. Over here American police have a reputation, warranted or not, for heavy handedness and brutality.

  • Jim_Macklin

    Golf was a game invented in Scotland because the English passed laws against the warlike Scots from carrying their dirks. So the Scots invented where they carried a club.

    Maybe this will keep Scots from becoming tourists to the USA where millions of citizens dressed in business suits, coveralls, jeans and a T-shirt carry a gun every day everywhere. Men and women, even mature teenagers carry shopping or at church. The only people who get upset about a policeman are the criminals.

  • Stephen Beat

    OK, I can see this is one of those areas where I shall just have to expect to get flamed. You see I am a Scot and despite some of the remarks Scots are NOT afraid of ‘dangerous things’. The issue here is NOT one of being ‘anti’ firearms, it is an issue of people being in a country that is happy with not seeing guns – or heavily armed Police – on our high streets, and we want to keep it that way! Just to remind you – this is SCOTS you are talking about, not namby-pamby ‘Europeans’ (or English)! 😉 So please – less of the remarks about Scots being afraid of ‘dangerous things’ – Scots have been waving about ‘dangerous things’ since the Romans tried to invade. 😉 Thank you.

  • MartinWoodhead

    I dont think I’ve seen an armed police officer in real life for over a year so people would be suprised to see one it is something a bit out of the ordinary in the UK.
    in scotland handguns got a bad rep when a legal handgun owner murdered a bunch of kids in a classroom strangely your right to pursue your hobby vs the minsicule risk of somebody murdering a bunch of people your hobby lost out.
    Theres less than a 100 deaths by shooting in the UK annually including suicide murder accidents. So for the UK gun control works its a pain I cant buy a semi auto full bore rifle or handgun but then again idiots and criminals can’t either and I’m ok with that

    • Wolfgar

      When the government goes crazy with an un armed society what do you think comes next? DEMOCIDE. Look up the study on democide from the university of Hawaii The second amendment is about division of power not hobbies, sports or hunting. Thus you choose to live where you do and I choose to live where I do.

      • MartinWoodhead

        It’s been 400 years since are last tryant. You may consider the real downside to easy access to firearms acceptable against the dubious chance of stopping an authortian government personally I think that argument is possibly the weakest.
        We killed all our dangerous wildlife before guns were invented.
        Guns in the UK are a hobby às such having strict controls and out right banning guns attractive to spree killers works for us.
        Still not been rounded up and put in a camp but then again the UK might just have g4s on the job we are living in a murderous tyranny its just really rubbish at the whole murderous tyranny thing.

  • brightsgrove

    The USA has not fought a war on its own soil for 150 years and even then it was a family squabble. The Europeans have been through two World Wars in the past century and absolute devastation with more than 50,000,000 killed. They have a normal hatred of guns. The US kills more than 10,000 of their own people annually with guns, more per capita than any other country in the world. I am a Canadian gun owner but have not used my rifle in 30+ years. I am used to armed uniformed officers but am very uncomfortable when I see a non-uniformed individual wearing a handgun. Is it a police officer (that’s OK) or some nutbar looking for trouble?

    • L. Roger Rich

      Silly. The guns do not kill people on their own. It is people operating the tool that do the killing. Canada is a good socialist nation.

      • brightsgrove

        Your own stats tell the truth. Too many nuts get their hands on the readily available “tools” with deadly consequences. I do have some serious concerns about people who mount automatic weapons on small drones, as shown in a recent edition of TFB. How do you plan to protect yourself from them?

        You say “socialist” like it is a bad thing. God is a socialist. In Canada, we are a mixed economy, mostly capitalist, with some areas, such as hospitals, being funded by the taxpayer. We are a democracy, unlike the USA which is a republic.

    • Leigh Rich

      The US Kicked out the British who remained in Canada. We had a Civil war on our own soil. In WW! and WW2 the USA saved the Europeans and the Chinese. The war of 1812 US defeated Canada. The USA does not kill 10000 people with its guns. What a stupid statement for a fool. Please stay out of the USA.

      • brightsgrove

        You have a serious lack of knowledge of history.

        Your Civil War was terrible but was an internal matter, not an invasion by a foreign enemy. We put our country together without a civil war.

        In WWI and WWII, the US was part of a coalition, including Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and the Resistance in the occupied territories, that defeated Germany and Japan. Don’t believe Hollywood. Nobody gets all the credit alone.

        In the War of 1812 the US first attacked Canada and we kicked them out and then burned down your White House. The US lost the War of 1812 because they did not succeed in gaining a square inch of Canadian territory.

        Yes, more than 10,000 Americans are killed annually by guns in the USA, the highest per capita rate in the world.

        My two oldest sons are dual citizens of Canada and the USA and have served in the US armed forces. One was in Iraq on a scientific project to protect your soldiers. He was under mortar fire regularly. I visit regularly and do business in the US. Just because I disagree with your gun culture philosophy is no reason to get hostile. I do find TFB to be very interesting.

        • Leigh Rich

          Like a Canadian socolist will despise he does not live in the USA,…sorry you live in Canada brightsgrove

          • brightsgrove

            I love living in Canada. I have traveled to many countries around the world and am always thankful when I arrive home.

  • ManfredHarriman

    Scotland, once a proud land populated by brave , hardy people with a staunch fighting spirit…now…not so much…It’s really too bad. They’ve gone from “Braveheart” to…I dunno…

    A few years back I was frequenting a local gun/sport shop when a family from the Netherlands came in. A mother, father and two teen-aged daughters. They were absolutely fascinated by the fact that all of the firearms (with the exception of handguns) were displayed in racks in the open, for anyone to handle. They asked the proprieter if they could hold the firearms, to which the proprieter answered in the affirmative. The father said that this would not be allowed in the Netherlands. The entire family handled almost every firearm in the shop, taking dozens of photos. The daughters said they would be the envy of their neighborhood, being allowed to pick up and handle weapons. They seemed to be amazed of the freedoms allowed in our great country.

    We don’t realize what we have…Until we lose it. Let’s make sure we don’t lose our right to keep and bear arms.

  • MrApple

    William Wallace would openly weep at what has become of his once great people.

  • desert

    I never thought the day would come when I would call the Scots….GUTLESS!!

  • MIstwalker

    It’s not what happens when you have a disarmed populace. It’s what happens when you *don’t* have an overarmed police force. Our police have become increasingly militarized, despite the fact that violent crime has been decreasing for the last thirty years. It is an unnecessary danger to us.

    We have the right to be armed. This means our police need to be as well, but it doesn’t mean they all need deadly weapons and a “shoot if I feel scared” mentality. Britain has figured this out, and issue guns to people who actually need them and are properly trained when to use them, rather than to every mug with a badge. Our police are, overall, poorly trained, and most of them are barely qualified to operate a taser, let alone a weapon of deadly force.

    The equivalent here, by the way, would be if you saw a police officer in riot gear with an MP5 strapped to him buying lunch at Walmart. It would be something that would attract attention which could very possibly be negative, because it’s unusual.

    This is certainly not people fearing “the mundane”. It’s people reacting negatively to an unusual display of armament in an area where things *should* be mundane.

  • L. Roger Rich

    LOL. In the USA in most states a citizen can carry concealed. LOL cots. You can always hide behind a stack of food and hide.

  • Gregory Carver

    I’m embarrassed to have Scottish ancestors. Why should a police officer worry anyone?

  • Robert

    What poor excuses for humans. Spines seem to be removed at birth or soon after!

  • John Pate

    This has nothing to do with pro or anti, this is Police Scotland deliberately using intimidation tactics. Police and soldiers in the UK used to be very careful about displaying firearms in public even at the height of the problems with the IRA. This sort of behaviour has to be seen in context with the attitude of the police towards civilian firearms.
    Don’t bother trying to change my mind, I live in Scotland and I was in the Army.

  • Adam

    So where are you from? I’m looking for a new country…. And USA is a too hard basket…

  • MartinWoodhead

    The last last two armed coppers I saw had hk36 with all the add ons glocks tasers the works and were in a foul mood after being called out because a farmer was shooting rabbits! Somebody had seen the farmer from nealry a mile away and called the cops to report a strange man with a machine gun in a field because a side by side shotgun looks like a machine gun! Cops were not impressed

  • James LaVelle

    It is sad to live in a society where guns are considered mundane. It is sad to live in a society where lethal force is an early choice in reaction to a situation, rather than the last. We have lost a lot.

  • buzzman1

    Scots would freak out in America as badly as northerners do in a Texas Cabella’s!

  • matthew_carberry

    The Scots ignorance of their own history is staggering. The reason police in the UK were disarmed was because the English held jealously to their right to be armed and monopoly on domestic force due to fears of government attempts at tyranny. It took til 1920 for the anti-gun rights crowd in Parliament to finally lie enough about expanding “gun crime” and the risks of Reds and anarchists to push through the first effective gun control there. Then the slippery slope picked up steam. Joyce Malcolm’s “Guns and Violence: The English Experience” is worth reading to understand where the RKBA as we understand it, and the tired and false arguments of our anti’s, come from.

  • Alt Clut

    I can understand the contempt some readers of this blog may have for the reaction of the shoppers. It is worth mentioning that aside from anti-gun sentiment, this is a development that is an enormous departure from what Scots, and other Britons expect of a police officer. From the conception of what is now the modern British police force, constables have largely never carried firearms except in circumstances in which they are absolutely necessary.So why should an officer need to carry a firearm while on a regular patrol when such circumstances are highly unlikely to arise? We now even have armed officers in the sparsely populated Highlands. Perhaps the officers of the Highland division expect an armed insurrection from the gamekeepers of the estates.

    I am a Scot and I don’t harbour anti-gun sentiment, I am of a rural upbringing and the use of firearms as a means of animal population control and of leisure is not uncommon in my community. However I am still appalled at this break from tradition and it has damaged my trust of the police.

    Assuming that the main readership of this blog is from the United states, how would you feel if your police force was armed and the populace was not?

  • REMESSIS

    Thank god we won the Revolution.

  • Reasonable Person

    There is nothing mundane about this. If the populace is disarmed there is no justification for the police to be armed, and there is cause for concern if they are.