The B&T APC-9 Submachine Gun, VP9 Pistol And Others (B&T Police & Military Day 2015) [PHOTO HEAVY]

A special thank you to our good friend Erik for writing this post and taking these awesome photo for us.

It has now become a tradition for B&T to invite their partners and customers for a yearly mini exhibition in Thun, Switzerland. This year about 40 exhibitors and some 800 participants could enjoy the possibility to wander around the latest products and also try some of B&T’s and H&K’s guns at the shooting range.


Heckler & Koch exhibited their latest versions of the MP5, MP7, the UMP, HK416 / 417, G28, G36 to heavier machine guns MG4, MG121 and their grenade launchers of 40 mm. I know what you’re thinking, but unfortunately only the SFP9 (HK VP9 in the USA) was available for testing. Regardless the waiting line to test it lingered long.












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We managed to get our hands on the H&K SFP9 and most of the guns made by B&T, including the MP9, KH9, APC-9, P26 and the rifle-calibred APC-223/300.

The P26 is a low-cost APC-9, with mainly polymer materials instead of aluminium. The list price in Switzerland is around 1200 USD, less than half of an APC-9.


B&T AG P26

The APC-9 is now also available with a new collapsible stock, making it a great modern PDW. It just looks so right on the gun, offers great support and stability while being very easy to manipulate. Perhaps it’s time to retire the HK MP5 at last?






If you like a modern version of the Welrod look no further. B&T VP9 is there for you. Very, very silent, basically all you hear is the firing pin. The name is very confusing, considering H&K’s VP9 in the US. B&Ts VP stands for “Veterinary Pistol”, which makes a lot of sense.

The B&T VP9

The B&T VP9

Swedish Aimpoint displayed their latest red dot sights, T2 for instance, which are more or less standardised on most of B&T’s guns.

B&T Shop

There’s a scene in the movie “The Matrix”, where the character Neo (played by Keanu Reeves) is in need of a weapon, or a “miracle”. This is what it feels like to step into the B&T Shop. I’m pretty sure this would be the largest dedicated arms and accessories store in Europe. They also carry a very large collection of 5.11 Tactical, among other similar brands.










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A lot of different types of ammunition is also available. Name the calibre and bullet weight and it’s quite possible they have it.

Steve Johnson

Founder and Dictator-In-Chief of TFB. A passionate gun owner, a shooting enthusiast and totally tacti-uncool. Favorite first date location: any gun range. Steve can be contacted here.


  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I would trade every gun I own and never buy another if I could have that sweet MP-5.

    • KestrelBike

      and then I’d swap the keymod handguard for the OG full plastic. (once seen as industrial shelving, never unseen)

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I know, it looks like the stuff in my warehouse but on that gun it looks good I think.

      • Tom

        Thanks for that, and here was me at first thinking “keymod MP5 is sexy” but now its just “keymod MP5 looks like it was made from shelving”.

      • SP mclaughlin

        Never really liked the way Keymod looks, but my god, you are exactly right.

        • KestrelBike

          I can’t take credit, someone else either here on TFB or ENDO-blog similarly opened my eyes to it in a comment a year or so ago. Kinda like the forward-arrow in FedEx (between the last e and the x) which the hillary campaign blatantly ripped off.

      • Grindstone50k

        And now you’ve just forever ruined keymod for me. Thanks.

      • iksnilol

        It’s like a IKEA handguard.

      • Squirreltakular

        I love the way it looks on ARs and AKs, but for some reason it looks wrong, wrong, wrong on an MP5.

    • ostiariusalpha

      An MP5K with telescoping stock… it actually haunts my dreams; leaves a bittersweet pain in my heart when I wake up. Someday.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        I second that emotion.
        I shouldn’t be so covetous since I already pretty much have my dream gun but I’m a weak man.

        • ostiariusalpha

          You and I both. Thankfully guns don’t get jealous, every new one just makes the others all that much more interesting & unique by comparison.

      • Mike

        OOOh, so sexy.

    • sam

      Maybe if it had a longer pipe and an M203 grenade launcher and I could somehow practically own and shoot 40mm ammo. And it would have to use coffin mags.

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        We all dream of grenade launchers friend. We all do.

  • mikewest007

    What is that KH9 thing? It looks like a very rough prototype…

    • DVC

      It’s a collector’s gun. Not rough, but can use the old finnish high cap magazine.

    • Swissguy

      KH-9 stands for Karls Hobby 9. It is a design from Karl Brügger(note Brügger&Thomet) It can feed from the finish 50 Round mags, or with a adapter from Standard mags. I was in that Room a few Weeks ago. Sorry for the rough english. Regards from Switzerland.

      • mikewest007

        That’s an OK answer. When you say “Finnish 50 round mags”, do you mean the WW2 Suomi SMG drum mags?

        • Swissguy

          The quad Stack ones.

  • Vitsaus

    So much stuff we cant have….

  • FarmerB

    Nice to have it just down the road…

  • Esh325

    But the Internet told me 9mm SMG’s are obsolete….

    • No, Kriss told you that…they lied.

    • Nicks87

      They also say 9mm carbines are pointless as well but people seem want them.

      • lowell houser

        Like semi auto belt feds, they ARE pointless. Add a bumpfire stock and all of sudden they can fill their intended role again. Hell how effective for CQB would a SBR 9mm AR with micro-dot and bumpfire be? Pretty damn, me thinks.

        • iksnilol

          Maybe some of us are lazy so we don’t want to bother with magazines while at the same time we don’t mind a heavier rifle? Didn’t think about that, did you?

    • Lance

      Same idiots who wanted a weaker 5.7mm POS carbine/SMG??? Don’t listen to any tacti coolers my friend!!

    • nobody

      Not completely obsolete, but short barrel rifles generally will do most things better, short of concealability (if the SMG was designed for that of course), and cost if the SMG design is just kept as straight blowback without any particularly expensive features. Cost of ammunition is also an advantage of SMGs but that is more of a concern on the civilian market.

      • iksnilol

        Don’t forget noise. A short barreled MP5 is way less concussive than a short barreled AR-15 (and it will also be shorter).

    • There appears to be a European police market.

      • Calimero

        Indeed. Lots of Police training/qualification ranges can’t handle rifle calibers. Shooting a pistol caliber makes logistics much simpler as they’re already using 9mm in handguns.

        And cost of ammunition is actually quite a problem. 9mm is still half the price of 5.56 …

        • MoPhil

          What about the .300 Whisper? OK, the ammo market is quite limited at the moment, but Special Forces in Netherlands want to adopt rifles in .300 Whisper. Becoming adopted by LE/Military would push the market for ammo and combined with a PDW style rifle, this caliber has more potential than other 9mm MPs, while keeping roughly the same size of the weapon.

          The other side of the coin is of course, that the .300 Whisper needs some kind of AR-15 platform, which means a different training especially for LE, who normaly don’t use AR-15-type rifles (like most police agencies in Europe).

          But from POV in ballistics, .300 Whisper out shoots the 9mm AND the. 300 Whisper can be shot suppressed and unsuppressed without the need for an adjustable gas block; same like the 9mm.

          • iksnilol

            Yeah, but you still can’t use it in most indoor ranges. You have to calculate that most rounds fired are fired at the range for practice.

          • Mike

            I think 300 Blackout would be an ideal Police rifle caliber.
            Increased ballistics over the 5.56, better for suppressor use.
            Police do not need long range rifles,
            We need some 9mm Carbines, or “pistols” with Sig brace. A double tap with 9mm hollow points would be fine for home defense.

        • Huh, weird. Here in the US, .223 and 9mm are about the same price, 5.56 being maybe 25% more expensive in general.

      • Anonymoose

        Switzerland, tho.

    • Anonymoose

      That’s why they’re also making it in .45, 5.56, and .300 Blackout/Whisper.

      • Esh325

        Doesn’t necessarily mean it’s obsolete.

    • n0truscotsman

      For military applications, they mostly are. With reliable SBRs now a reality, and rounds like 300 black out, and peltor headsets, there is no advantage to using when if you need to sling lead in close quarters.

      BUT for home defense I can see the value of a 9mm or pistol caliber carbine actually. They’re a good alternative to a rifle or shotgun.

  • Yeah, that looks like a hell of a day

  • Jeff S

    I’m assuming it’s a Hensoldt (Zeiss) RS-A?

    • SP mclaughlin

      Also known as Z-point.

  • Nicks87

    Looks like the only thing H&K brought for civilian gun owners was a sharp stick in the eye… and maybe a couple VP9s.

  • Mark

    Oh look, a bunch of cool guns that will never see the U.S. market!

  • SP mclaughlin

    The P26 looks better than the APC imo.

  • ColaBox

    All those HK guns, and not one image of the angry HK rep glaring at everybody…

  • Grindstone50k

    BRB moving to Switzerland.

  • Llewellyn Franks

    B&T guns look like they came form an alternate timeline where subcarbines never caught on and the SMG concept still reigned supreme in CQB. I like how they still develop their own pistol grips and stocks despite most other companies opting for AR compatible furnture, good on you B&T.

    • Kyle

      Why is removing options good? Going AR compatible alows the end user to stick whatever they want there. There’s like what? 100+ aftermarket grips to choose from? Yeah one of those is gonna be better than whatever they come up with. My biggest complaint about my KSG is that I can’t readily change the pistol grip out. Drives me nuts.

      • Llewellyn Franks

        I like how they went the extra distance to make a feature that would be unique to their weapon in a market where most people just opt for the AR compatible route. Something to keep in mind is that all designs and standards come with some limitations. The AR stock is strapped to a large piece of metal and in making a weapon AR compatible the designers lose some control over what the weapon actually is.

        To me AR compatibility is a mixed bag, you have easy customization options and maybe its cheaper. On the other hand you also really stunt innovation and could wind up missing out on a really optimal setup had the rifle been designed with its on stock in mind.

        Also I hate AR accessory circlejerks with a passion, and anyone who helps end those is a friend of mine.

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  • Lance

    Love the MP-5s and the mini 416s.

  • Aaron

    H&K AKs?

    • iksnilol

      Probably showing their suppressor (B&T that is).

  • sam

    hmmm, 380 full-size pistol and what appear to be 9mm coffin mags… I hope those things are really happening.

  • lowell houser

    The bumpfire stock companies need to get their act in gear and start making stocks for Thompsons, MP5’s, Kriss, , that new CZ Scorpion, etc.

  • Mister_V

    Does it seem to anyone else that a lot of B&T’s subguns displayed above are just reworked versions of existing early to mid 20th century designs? That TP380 looks very much inspired by the Cobray M12, the KH9 looks like a Sites Spectre M4, and the rounded receiver of the P26 looks almost like some sort of closed bolt grease gun or similar “tube gun” of the era. Am I the only one?

  • Nooky

    Sturmgewehr ist fine.

  • Anonymoose

    What is this integrally-suppressed thing? I need it.

    • iksnilol

      Looks meget tactical. I really like the shell catcher.

    • 75sl

      IIRC it’s the b&t spr

    • Henrik Bergdahl

      .300 blackout/whisper bolt action that fits inside a small carry case when disassembled.

  • Freefly

    I’d settle for one suppressed MP9 and one SPR. Is that too much to ask for? I’ve been a good boy this year.

  • Kurt Akemann

    The only ‘Matrix’ reference that works for the B&T shop is “Guns, lots of guns.” 🙂

  • WFA

    Can anyone tell me how the APC223 front handguard/rail is removed?
    Is the barrel held in a trunnion that also hold the front handguard in place?
    Is movement/pressure on the handguard (say from a bipod) is going to transfer to the trunnion and affect muzzle position as a result?

  • Glock Guy

    Gun porn, gotta love it!