1980s Gun vs Knife Police Training

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Here is an interesting video to help train officers about the dangers of distance and knife attacks. The speed of the first attack is rather impressive. Some of this information seems out of date and of course more training and speed draws can help alleviate some issues. However not many practice drawing quickly out of the holster.



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  • claymore

    AH the “good old days”.

    • SP mclaughlin

      The Reagan yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeears

      • claymore

        Rinnie’s ye

      • claymore

        Ronnie’s rein gets twisted in the telling. While he did some good things HE got us NO MORE NEW MACHINE GUNS.

        • JK

          Selling weapons to Iran, Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Ya know, cornerstones of the Tea Party platform.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            And to Iraq.

          • Rock or Something

            Selling arms to Iran and pushing Amnesty for illegal immigrants has, ironically(?), become the current Progressive Democrat platform.

        • Don’t forget that the NRA told him to sign the bill too.

          • Cymond

            I think the really awful part is that every good part of FOPA has been completely undermined.

  • USMC03Vet

    The stabbing sound effects. Thanks Hollywood.

  • Para

    9/10 Mall Ninjas are thinking, “Pshhh, I could draw down on that guy because of my dynamically tactical derp training.”

    • USMC03Vet

      I was watching this ridiculous instructor zero video yesterday in which he was covering this. Advocating to drop down on your back. I face palmed so hard I had to go to the ER.

      • mosinman

        seems like a good way to let your blade wielding attacker to jump on you and proceed to stab you to death

      • Uniform223

        you mean this tacti-cool-fu “technique” ?

        not saying that either man doesn’t know what they are doing but in REALITY… THAT WOULDN’T HAPPEN. The video up above is more true to life.

  • KestrelBike

    Jerry Miculek could draw, fire, and reload in the 0-1ft distance scenario and not get stabbed.

    • Otm Shooter

      He would also stab the assailant during the reload…

      • USMC03Vet

        and take a smoke break.
        TBH I think he’s a robot.

        • iksnilol

          Only smoking he does is from the lubrication in his joints evaporating.

          Being a SB-5000 ain’t easy (ShootingBot 5000)

  • vak

    ~~~~hardcore feelings~~~~

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Thanks to our robust economy American criminals can all afford guns.

    • crackedlenses

      I would rather defend against a gun and be allowed to have a gun myself than to face a knife unarmed.

  • Ben Loong

    Nice, they brought in a highly experienced guy like Dan Inosanto to do the demo.

  • Texas-Roll-Over

    That’s totally unfair, its Dan Inosanto…;)

    Good video.

  • Bill

    “Surviving Edged Weapons.” The beginning of the tape was classic. Cavemen stabbing each other with sticks and bones.

    Some people read too much into the fact that a knife is involved – it’s relevant to any form of assault. The main takeaway needs to be that action beats reaction, and that the best way to lessen that is to maintain a positional advantage and look for pre-assault indicators BEFORE one of the most highly trained and skilled knife-fighters in the world decides to filet you.

  • Raoul Duke

    This was part of a 90-minute training video from the 80’s called “Surviving Edged Weapons”.
    Yeah, the hairstyles and production values are dated, but guess what? A scumbag with a knife can still cut you long and deep before you can get your gun out, if you’re too close to them. Some things NEVER change.

    • iksnilol

      Like war?

  • CommonSense23

    God I hate this video. Lets see, take a world class knife fighter, some cops who have received no relevant training how to handle themselves in a fight, antiquated equipment, and see what happens. Lets film this again with modern holsters and armor, actual training in CQD and not going against someone who is world class, and lets see what happens.

    • Ethan

      Watch CCTV footage of knife attacks – its a pretty accurate representation of real-world attacks: Premeditated, fast, vicious, and over in a split second. ASP Defense on facebook is a good source for this.

      • CommonSense23

        This is suppose to be cops with a suspect. Its bad tactics and gear from the 80s against a world class opponent. Proper training and gear will allow the gun to beat the knife the vast majority of time.

        • Uniform223

          I agree with proper training and technique but it doesn’t matter what type of holster you use or hand gun you have. Once that distance is closed to within arms length… the only thing that you can use to defend yourself is with your hands.

          • CommonSense23

            Correct, but with modern gear, you don’t need as much time or space created by your hands to defeat the threat. Against a non world class opponent, the gun guy will when with a moderate (8 hours) of training. If he has the right mindset.

          • claymore

            AH not really more modern police tactics have INCREASED the safety distance OVER 21 feet

    • claymore

      Same result

      • CommonSense23

        Going to argue that from personnel experience. Its a lot easier to defeat a bladed opponent with a gun at even 7ft than people think. Just takes some training.

        • claymore

          Yea right sure you know more than all the experts combined.

          • CommonSense23

            What experts? Seriously. How many cops actually learn how to knife fight? How to truly defend against a knife?

          • claymore

            Every one I know and worked with. It’s part of a certified academy’s curriculum.

  • Otm Shooter

    First scenario, approx 0:35 in. Wallet to the face. Love it!

  • jcitizen

    And the the public can’t understand how police end up shooting an “unarmed” man; well when your life is measured in split seconds – chit happens!