Galil ACE Release Delayed Until Late 2015, 2016

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Bad news for those looking forward to the latest Israeli Kalashnikov rifle: IWI’s launch of the Galil ACE to the US market has been delayed, according to a post on the US division’s Facebook page:

As all of you know, we have been seriously delayed in bringing the Galil ACE to market. Suffice to say that we believe it is better to delay deliveries if a problem is discovered, rather than bring the product to market prematurely. (Most of the issues encountered were in converting full auto to semi-auto configuration.) In any case, here is our revised delivery schedule (which could still be modified if necessary):

Galil ACE pistol in 7.62x39mm – September, 2015
Galil ACE pistol w/Stabilizing Brace, 7.62x39mm – October, 2015
Galil ACE rifle, 7.62x39mm – late October/early November, 2015

Galil ACE pistol in 7.62 NATO – January, 2016
Galil ACE pistol w/Stabilizing Brace, 7.62 NATO – February, 2016
Galil ACE rifle, 7.62 NATO – March, 2016

Galil ACE 5.56 NATO – 2nd Quarter 2016

We apologize for these delays, but again, we want to make sure that what we bring to market meets our standards and your expectations.

Oddly, IWI-USA appears to be saying that they are having trouble creating a semi-automatic trigger group for the ACE, and uses language that suggests the receivers are being converted from full auto examples to semi-auto, something that under US law results in a firearm that is still legally a machine gun. Whether IWI is referring to a change in the design, or perhaps difficulties satisfying the ATF’s requirements for a sem-auto receiver that cannot be converted to full auto is unknown.

H/T, Hebrew Hammer Blog.



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  • Vitsaus

    I’m not too bummed, its grossly overpriced for what is nothing but a modernized AK. Compared to similar rifles (Arsenal, PTR32, etc…) its not competitive at all.

    • Esh325

      To my knowledge, there isn’t any other AK rifle released on the market that has similar features to the Galil ACE. How many AK rifles have a sturdy monolithic flat top rail? I’ve found mounting modern optics on an AK to always be some what of a headache and the Galil ACE takes away all that headache. The Galil ACE is fairly unique in the AK world.

      • no

        Waiting for post to be approved, but the M+M M10X is looking to fit the bill.

      • tsh77769

        If I understand correctly the ACE does not have a monolithic rail. It is simply an improved attachment dust cover with rail.

        • Dracon1201

          Correct.

    • Ian Thorne

      Wait, so $1,200 for a non modernized Arsenal is okay, but a few hundred more for a much better and option rich gun is too much? That makes sense.

      And the PTR32 is a freaking roller lock gun. Not remotely comparable.

      • Dracon1201

        “Much better” is rather misplaced until it proves itself here.

        The Arsenal gives you far more options out of the box because of its aftermarket support right now. So yes. I think that OP has a point. Besides, how much do you really feel these slight improvements are worth?

        I’ll tell you they have about the same accuracy as an arsenal acording to early reviews.

        • Ian Thorne

          The Galil has been around for a while, you know that, right? It has pretty well proven itself in the last several decades. And the ACE has already been in combat for a long time. Not sure how some civilians are going to prove it’s worth better than decades of history in combat up to and including today.

          So the arsenal gives you the ability to spend even more to try to improve on the already expensive AK? That’s a plus? Spending that much on a gun just to have to spend more to get it to be where other guns are at from the factory? That’s not a very good point.

          A couple early reviews from prototype guns. Lets wait for some of the productions guns to make any opinions. But either way remember they are both combat style Warsaw caliber guns. Built for 2-4 MOA accuracy and easily achieve that.

          The Galil is literally based on the AK and uses the same operating system, so yes, I will compare the two that are based on the same platform. And yes, operating mechanism does matter. Saying it doesn’t is just a desperate way to try to make an invalid comparison. One is a roller lock HK gun that shares nothing with the AK other than the caliber, while the other is a gun heavily based on the AK.

          • Dracon1201

            The expectations of military rifles and their place on the civilian market is vastly different. Especially considering the competition. You don’t just get handed a rifle and told to deal with it the best you can. The expectations of accuracy, weight, etc are driven by choice and competition. It has to prove that it’s worthy of the price we are paying, not just that it will run in the sand.

            The Arsenal gives you a great rifle at a price well below the ACE. I would argue it competes just fine in it’s original form from the factory and is on par with the ACE. You want to tactifrack it? Do it, but don’t count that into the budget when it will do just as well without.

            Early reviews are a pretty good indicator. Hopefully it won’t continue to be out shot by $600 ARs and guns well below it’s pricepoint. I don’t agree that 1moa for 1k rule is always true, but it better damn well be for 2k.

            Let me ask you this, why are people buying this gun? If it’s to have a galil, it has no competition. If it is any other reason that involves 7.62×39, the PTR is clearly competition, and is in the same realm.

      • Arsenals run just over $1,000. They accept inexpensive, effective red dot sights like the PK-01VS and rail systems, if you really want one.

        The Galil ACE will be close to double that.

        • Ian Thorne

          No, it won’t be double the price. It will end up being in the $1,200-$1,300 range when it stabilizes. Just like no one with a brain is actually paying 2K for a Tavor, they are paying $1,600 or less(Several on GB right now at $1,550). And depending on the Arsenal they can be $1,500 or more. Which will be more than the Galil will be selling at in a while. Unless you are paying MSRP for some stupid reason the Galil won’t be remotely close to twice the price of a new Arsenal.

          And the Galil can accept the same sights without having the added cost of buying a rail, while being more modern with more new features. Not sure how having to pay more to do something in a more limited capacity than what the other one can already do from the factory is a plus.

          • SD

            I don’t see it ever being in the $1200 range, but seems like the ARX160 has come down to the mid $1300 range which I never expected. It would depend on how popular it is when it’s finally released. In 7.62×39, it’s aimed at the AK crowd and they are notoriously cheap. In 5.56, it might entice some AR guys to buy another rifle that shares calibers with their high dollar ARs.

      • 360_AD

        The Galil will be more than a few hundred more than $1200.

        • Ian Thorne

          No it won’t. MSRP is $1,800. MSRP of the Tavor is 2K and it sells for $1,600 or less. The Galil will have a similar drop. They will be right at that 1,200 -1,300 range once the prices drop after the initial rush.

          • 360_AD

            Pure fantasy. Release has now been pushed back closer towards election time. Unless you have poor memory, everything gun related goes up in price as presidential election cycle heats up over paranoia and threat of more gun control. MSPR means nothing then.

          • J.T.

            MSRP on the Galil is $1900 for the rifle. There is only a $100 difference between it and the Tavor. Even after the price stabilizes, I don’t expect to see them for less than $1500 anytime soon.

  • Boooo!

    • Rusty S.

      Agreed, the problem must have cropped up pretty late if they released SKUs and allocations to distributors quite some time ago.

  • Esh325

    Other than the AK-12 which isn’t released yet, the Galil ACE really seems like the perfect modernized AK. It addresses pretty much all the issues people have had with the AK. It would nice if they imported the 5.56×45 version takes AR15 magazines.

    • Dracon1201

      They have a Nato model that works with AR mags. The 7.62 version takes AR-10 mags

      • Gidge

        I thought they used proprietary 25rd mags like the origional 7.62 Galil’s

        • Dracon1201

          At least, the AR10 mags were what was promised.

    • Tim U

      They’ll be doing that too. They’re just putting out the x39 first

    • Hmmm, I think “perfect modernized AK” may me taking it a little far. It’s alright, but I think you could improve the AK’s design quite a lot over where the ACE sits.

      • Esh325

        Like how?

        • Well, I have a few ideas… 😉

          • Esh325

            I think I know. Remove everything under the front sight and replace it with an AR15 😛

          • Naw, man, I’m the guy who wrote this, remember?

  • Rob

    7.62 Nato pistol?!?! O_O sometimes shooting the .30-06 off the shoulder is punishing I can’t imagine how it’d be in a pistl!

  • Ken

    I’m guessing they mean redesigning the receiver for semi auto, though I don’t know what’s so difficult about it. Are they not just going to make it like every other semi auto AK on the market? They can use the same receiver specs, just no third pin hole or auto sear slot in the right rail. If they really want to (but don’t have to), they can remove the tail on the bolt carrier as well as the bump on the right side that trips an auto sear.

    • Dracon1201

      The Galil isn’t THAT close to an AK. There are a lot of receiver differences with the ACE.

      • Ken

        The full auto features are the same. The auto sear rides on the third pin hole and interacts with the bolt carrier through a slot on the right rail. I got to handle a select fire Galil ACE that IWI had on display back in February and that part seemed to work just like on an AK.

  • Ian Thorne

    Dang. I was hoping that they would be out long enough for prices to come down by January to buy myself a new years present. Looks like I might need to wait a bit longer.

  • USMC03Vet

    I hope this isn’t stupid expensive. IWI could own the AK pattern market if they price this reasonably.

    • Dracon1201

      Don’t worry, they are. About 2000 MSRP.

    • 360_AD

      Are you not familiar with the Tavor’s introduction to the US market? Of course it will be stupid expensive. As certain as death and taxes.

  • LeverDude in PA

    I was wondering what happened to the Ace. I could tell something was up from their limited showing (not a lot of buzz) at Shot.

  • Dracon1201

    Methinks this is becoming an ARX-100.

    Missing the good market with a late release and handing out a product that I’m afraid might miss the mark by a bit.

  • Esh325

    It’s an interesting rifle to say the least, but I’m not sure how much I trust a little known American manufacture.

    • no

      I’ve been following it since winter, seems their previous traditional AK’s were pretty well received. The biggest complaint I’m hearing is something about nuts/bolts being used instead of rivets in some places. I’m no AK guru or purist, so it doesn’t mean a whole lot to me. Admittedly, others do not share my relative lack of concern.

      • Esh325

        I believe their previous AK’s were imports from Romania. What does seem pretty radical about this design is the addition of an upper and lower receiver which is something I’ve never really seen in an AK pattern rifle before.

  • 360_AD

    Hm. Closer to the election and traditionally a time where firearms ban paranoia and prices are high. Coincidence? Naaaaw. Not at all.

  • Gidge

    Nice to see that:
    a) They make a point of doing things right the first time rather than focusing on deadlines at the expense of quality.
    b) They actually COMMUNICATE when there’s a problem or delay unlike so many other manufacturers.

    Though truth be told, a rifle with “problems being converted from full auto to semi auto” is something I think I could live with…sais the guy living in Australia who can only dream about having something like this.

  • Dracon1201

    I think that applies to all of us.

  • J.T.

    Technically, the MSRP for the Galil ACE is $100 less than the MSRP for the Tavor. So they weren’t lying.