Taurus Millennium G2 PT 111 Remains Popular

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When I first published the review of the Taurus Millennium G2 PT 111 there was definitely a vocal number that disavowed a love for anything Taurus.  Apparently though, despite some bad experiences people have previously had with their products, this model is doing very well and is maintaining some popularity.

The Taurus Millennium G2 beats out, for a second month in a row, other top firearms brands. “The demand we are seeing for this model is very exciting,” said Director of Marketing Tim Brandt. “Consumers are recognizing the reliability of this unbelievably affordable compact semi-auto. We really appreciate the support of the Taurus brand, and the results from Gun Broker in June are evidence that we are delivering on our goal of producing better quality firearms at the right price.”

 

MANUFACTURER SPECIFICATIONS
Model Number: 111G2
Action Type: Single Action/Double Action
Caliber: 9mm Luger
Capacity: 12 + 1
Length: 6.24”
Barrel Length: 3.2”
Height: 5.1”
Width: 1.2”
Weight: 20.8 oz
Trigger Pull: 6 lbs
Sights: Fixed Front, Adjustable Rear (2 dot)
Price: MSRP-$467 (street ~$250)

It appears that the street price is nearly $100 less than when I initially reviewed it.  So thoughts?  Any of you have one? Any converts to this weapon from previous Taurus haters (or is that a line never again crossed)?



Tom is a former Navy Corpsman that spent some time bumbling around the deserts of Iraq with a Marine Recon unit, kicking in tent flaps and harassing sheep. Prior to that he was a paramedic somewhere in DFW, also doing some Executive Protection work between shifts. Now that those exciting days are behind him, he has embraced his inner “Warrior Hippie” and assaults 14er in his sandals and beard, or engages in rucking adventure challenges while consuming craft beer. To fund these adventures, he writes medical software and builds websites and mobile apps. His latest venture is as one of the founders of IronSights.com; a search engine for all things gun related. He hopes that his posts will help you find solid gear that will survive whatever you can throw at it–he is known (in certain circles) for his curse…ahem, ability…to find the breaking point of anything.


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  • ostiariusalpha

    Price shapes demand. Hi Points sell pretty well too.

  • pithy

    It sells because it’s cheap. Walk into any gun store in America and listen to the guy behind the counter tell the uninformed schlub “at $250, it’s a deal!” Same with HI Point. Or Jimenez. You get what you pay for. Taurus still makes crap.

    • SCW

      Do you own one? The gun maybe cheap in price, but the quality is there.

      There is nothing wrong with Hi Point either. I wish I still had my 995 carbine.

  • smartacus

    totally completely unrelated question, but:
    if you had to buy a 9″ barrel for your Glock 20
    Would you buy 10mm or 9×25 Dillon?

    • Jason

      I’d get it in blue

    • SCW

      Might as well go with 10mm b/c it’s relatively easy to find at a store in comparison with 9×25 Dillon. If you plan on loading your own rounds then I guess 9×25 would be an ok choice. What do you plan to do with it? Hunt hogs?

      • smartacus

        Thanks SCW, that’s one for 10mm.
        Not sure what i would do with it just yet, but it’s nice to know it could be an option for hunting pigs

  • pc299

    I had two I picked up for $200 shipped each. They worked fine for the 100 rounds each I put through them. I couldn’t get over the Taurus reputation and sold them both and picked up a Ruger 9E for only $50 more (used)

    • Swarf

      I’m interested in that 9E. I have an SR9, but I like the idea of having a similar-but-cheaper gun for the night stand.

      What do you think of it?

      • Barry

        I had an SR9 for a couple years. Great gun but when I added a glock and m&p to the collection, the ruger was a notch below them in quality–mainly, the other pistols were better machined with tighter tolerances. So, I ended up selling it. But If you get a 9E for around $300, that’s the best quality pistol in that range. It’s much better built than the Smith and Wesson SD9 for the same price (I previously owned one of those, too).

      • Muchas Mujeres

        Taurus = great “range gun” with its warranty and all. Sig ,Glock, HK etc are great “life safety” guns. Thats my outlook on Value guns untill they pass that 1500 – 100% flawless rounds shot count. Then they may make it to the nightstand. Jmo.

  • Will

    I own, and carry, a Taurus PT-111 G2 and I’m quite satisfied with it.
    I shoot it at least twice a month, more if time allows. I’ve shot every 9mm round I can find, from 115 to 147 grain loads. RNL reloads to military ball to JHP factory loads. Have yet to have a gun related malfunction. I have approximately 2K rounds through it and I think it’s a keeper.
    No complaints.

  • Barry

    I have one and the trigger is terrible for any type of precise shooting. It weighed in at 8 pounds with lots of take up. I don’t mind the take up but that 8 pound gritty wall makes it difficult to shoot well. I can make decent groups if firing very slow and concentrating. Other than that, it’s been flawless and well worth 250.

    • SCW

      I love the trigger on mine. It breaks very cleanly, no grit, or creep. I love the short reset too. Actually, I kind of prefer it over my Glock trigger. It could be lighter, but that’s my only complaint.

  • NDS

    I was a avowed Taurus-hater until I got some experience with a couple PT1911’s, those are by FAR the best 1911 at the price point and one of the few MIM-based 1911’s (I’m looking at you, Kimber) that will run hard right out of the box.

    I shot one of these G2’s and while cheap feeling it ran well. I’d take one over a Sigma, if that means anything.

    • Dan Atwater

      I’ve since sold my PT1911 but it still ran better than any Kimber I’ve shot. Didn’t look as pretty though.

  • Bear The Grizzly

    I don’t have any experience with Taurus, but I have a friend who really enjoys them. He owns at least four of their revolvers and has nothing, but good things to say about them. The funny thing is he never heard of anything bad about them until I started poking at him for it. For the person who only shoots a couple of boxes of ammo a year it seems to make perfect sense to buy a gun twice as cheap as the competition.

  • Vitsaus

    Its the reason why Budweiser and Pabst Blue Ribbon are popular… cheap. I have never owned a Taurus, nor would I ever. Back when I worked behind the counter of gun shops, we consistently sent more Taurus guns back to the manufacturer than any other brand. Sad thing is that we didn’t move a whole lot of Taurus at the time, but still sent them back almost more than any other brands combined.

    • IhateFANBOYS

      I’ve sent my Beretta 92f back to the factory, while my PT92 runs like a champ after being dropped several times on the slide and frame.

    • Asdf

      I sent my XD back several times.

  • TVOrZ6dw

    I own 2 Taurus handguns, the only firearms I’ve ever had to send back to the manufacturer. The process was expensive, and one of the firearms broke again (different issue at least) only 30 rounds later. For me, I stay away from Taurus products.

  • Asdf

    I own a Taurus MilPro PT145 DAO and it is a great gun. So simple in action that nothing could break. Shot the heck out of it and retired it to pursue other handguns. I’ll break it out one of these days to put a couple of mags through it just for fun.

    Also own one of their compact frame 357s, which turned out to be another great gun.

  • no

    First gun I had was a PT92 that my dad Indian-gave me, it worked flawlessly. I don’t have any desire to get another Taurus but I don’t have any hate for them either.
    Taurus is by far (>50%) the gun of choice to pawn in Youngstown, OH.

    • Muchas Mujeres

      Ill bet the ps still wants 120% of the value of any Tauras regardless.

  • USMC03Vet

    It’s the internet. Price trumps everything.
    If you don’t shoot a lot these cheap guns make sense.

  • patrickiv

    I’ve used one and it worked flawlessly. The only thing I don’t like is that it has a manual safety.

  • Vinicius

    Taurus’s is going through some changes in staff recently, there were some issues really but i think they were overly magnified, i’ve shot a couple taurus and own 2 , my service sidearm is a beretta and there’s pretty much no difference in them (brazilian army berettas have frame safeties so no ergo change too)

  • john huscio

    Low price points move units, quality be damned in bubba’s world.

  • myndbender

    I bought one for $200, thinking that if I didn’t like it, I could sell it & get money back. I still have it. I love the trigger, the stippled grip, & the fact that it takes Sig P226 mags. I also like the frame mounted safety. I feel it’s almost as good as a G26, with the added benefit of a thumb safety for holsterless pocket carry. A great shooter for an even greater price point!

    • sauerquint

      It takes p226 mags? That’s pretty cool. Do they stick out? How about p229?

  • Steven Alexander

    They did not lose the lawsuit, they settled it. Many times it’s cheaper than long dragged out court battles. “The Taurus Companies do not admit liability in connection with the settlement,” the official told Grand View Outdoors.
    “If anyone has one of these pistols, we are happy to inspect it under
    the warranty and suggest that they send it to us so that we can do so.”

    • Drake

      No settling law suite was not big victory ether for Taurus. According to court documents filed May 15 in a U.S. District Court in Florida, the company has agreed to pay up to $30 million dollars to owners of nine separate handgun models who opt to send their pistols back, with owners receiving anywhere from $150 to $200 dollars for their pistols depending on how many choose that option. I would not could call that victory for Taurus . Beside pay out $30 million dollars in damages . The settlement also calls for a maximum $9 million in attorney’s fees. So that about $39 million dollars Taurus lost in settlending that big chunk money no matter how look at it . Documents show the settlement could include as many as 100,000 handguns. That a lot handguns they well have fix out there own pocket book. Are gone be able wait year or two get your handgun back because there inspect about up 100,000 potentially defect handgun they well have repair????

      • me

        What

        • Drake

          From person broke this story above.

          Im the person who wrote the story about the agreed to $39M settlement. First of all, the settlement agreement has been confirmed by Taurus. I spoke with their reps (and know their new marketing manager very well) and gave them lots of opportunity to comment further on the settlement AND on the original class action lawsuit. They declined detailed comment other than the direct quotes I included in the story, which is typical of these kinds of situations in my experience.

          I then obtained that Amended Complaint documents from the US District Court for the Southern District of Florida to confirm the allegations of the case (including exhibits). I also obtained the Settlement Agreement from the court. The information in the story comes directly from Taurus and from the court documents.

          To address some of your questions, here’s what I can tell you based on what Taurus and the documents say.

          1.) Regarding whether the settlement addresses the P-140PRO model. The short answer is I am not sure. The models specified in the story are the specific names of the models outlined as the “Class Pistols” in the settlement. I do not know if the PRO is included in the generic “PT-140” specified. The reason why the firearm pictured as the illustration in the story is of the PT-140PRO is because this is directly from the exhibit photos of the Amended Complaint that I obtained. The deputy sheriff who brought the case was carrying a PT-140PRO which he claims discharged upon dropping from his holster during a pursuit.

          2.) Drop safety versus manual safety. The Amended Complain alleges the Class Pistols have TWO flaws — that they will fire when dropped from a normal height AND they will fire in some cases even though the manual safety is engaged. From the Amended Complaint: 28. The False Safety Defect. The manual safety levers on the Class Pistols operate such that if the handler attempts to put the lever in the “on” or “safe” position when the trigger is not in its fully forward position, the safety lever will move into and stay in an apparent “on” or “safe” position, but the weapon will nevertheless fire if the trigger moves rearward. … 29. The Drop-Fire Defect. Class Pistols are designed and manufactured such that an impact (for example, if the weapon is dropped) to the pistol can and will cause the weapon’s trigger to move. In addition, upon information and belief, impact to the Class Pistols can and does cause certain internal parts of the trigger mechanism to move independently of the trigger. The motion of the trigger, and/or the internal parts of the trigger mechanism, can cause the Class Pistols to fire when impacted. Upon and information and belief the rearward motion of the trigger defeats the “Firing Pin Block” which Taurus describes as “designed to prevent the firing pin from going forward and striking the primer, [is] engaged until the trigger is in its final rearward position” and is “designed to preclude an accidental discharge should the firearm be dropped.” The Class Pistols are defective because, among other things, the very event (the weapon being dropped) that the Firing Pin Block is intended to protect against, will also defeat this purported failsafe.

          3.) Here’s more on the agreed to fix/refund.

          The Settlement Benefits

          The proposed Settlement would provide three categories of benefits for Settlement Class Members.

          First, the Taurus Companies have agreed to modify its existing warranty for all Class Pistols to allow any owner to submit a warranty claim (at any time) to have the Class Pistol inspected by the Taurus Companies at no cost to address the safety defects alleged in the First Amended Complaint. The Taurus Companies will pay all costs associated with this Warranty Enhancement, including but not limited to the cost of shipping to and from the Taurus Companies. The Warranty Enhancement will apply for the lifetime of the Class Pistol.

          Second, the Taurus Companies will produce and make available to the Settlement Class special and particularized Safety Training addressing the operation and handling of the Class Pistols and the alleged safety defects. In addition, the Safety Training will include information on how to properly store, pack, and ship the Class Pistols for return to the Taurus Companies.Finally, Settlement Class Members may elect to send their Class Pistols back to the

          Taurus Companies in exchange for a limited cash payment based on the following schedule:

          a) if less than 10,000 Class Pistols are returned, the payment for each returned Class Pistol shall be $200;
          b) if 10,001 to 20,000 Class Pistols are returned, the payment for each returned Class Pistol shall be $175;
          c) if 20,001 to 200,000 Class Pistols are returned, the payment for each returned Class Pistol shall be $150; and
          d) if more than 200,000 Class Pistols are returned, the payment for each returned Class Pistol shall be less than $150 and shall be equal to $30 Million divided by the number of Class Pistols returned.

          This benefit will be paid on a weighted average so that all Class Pistols submitted will be paid the same value. So, for example, if there are 77,307 Class Pistols returned, then the Settlement Class Members would receive $160 per Class Pistol under the above schedule. The maximum liability for the cash payments is capped at $30,000,000. The actual amount paid to Settlement Class Members will depend upon the number of Class Pistols returned as set forth above.

          4.) Lastly, it is important to note that this is the AGREED TO settlement between plaintiff and defendant. I am told a judge needs to approve of the settlement before it goes into effect.

          I sincerely hope this helps…please feel free to comment directly on the story at Grand View Outdoors for further questions or clarifications…

          Christian

  • Spinpsu

    I bought a model 85 once. First 5 rounds i put through it jammed the cylinder. Not sure how it did it but the cylinder wouldn’t turn after a couple shots. Happened multiple times. Didn’t think a revolver could jam.. but somehow it did. Sent it back and they replaced the cylinder, but was afraid if i shot any +p’s it would be destroyed again. Ended up selling it.

  • CUrob

    I own one… I got mine when it first came out for $339, it’s now $199 at several places (PSA for one). Stippling is a little rough, capacity is nice, functions well, not issues until my firing pin broke (about 250 rds), so its off at Taurus right now. For the price point, you can’t beat it. Taurus hate all you want, but go shoot it. Mine had a nice trigger break to it, with a decent reset, but a LOT of slack. I included that note with it when i sent it back too… seemed odd to have so much slack. Carried it for a while too… beats the SCCY hands down.

  • George Israel

    I’m a dealer, I stopped carrying Taurus/Rossi because I’ve been sending up to 40% of them back to the factory for a myriad of problems. All other brands I carry combined don’t make it to 1%. Cheap guns like Taurus/Rossi are simply False Economy items, i.e. saves money at the beginning but which, over a longer period of time, results in more money being spent or wasted than being saved, usually on the dealer end.

  • Ah, a Taurus thread! Nothing beats pitting positive and negative anecdotes about the same firearms against each other. Does anyone know what quality control means or how to test it? Hello? Is anybody out there?

  • All the Raindrops

    Give me a canik for similar price instead please!