POTD: How Not To Guard Your Recruitment Center

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People have stepped up in response to the recent attack in Chattanooga, TN. Dustin Ellerman, of Top Shot, posted this picture on Facebook.

There are some obviously glaring issues with this photo. First he has a vertical grip on his pistol AR. Now I will be nice and grant him the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps he did get the $5 tax stamp to make this a AOW and legally add a vertical grip to a pistol. But he can’t afford an optic or backup sights? He better not shoulder that pistol.

Dustin also pointed out his ensemble is not quite suited for engaging in a fire fight. The bright shirt makes for an easier target and crocs sandals are not the best shoes to wear when running.

Then you have these gentlemen with a more reasonable setup.

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Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Bill

    It’s a nice sentiment and well-motivated I’m sure, but walking towards a recruitment center all kitted up in any way, shape or form right now is probably not the greatest idea. Articles about police responding to reports of men carrying rifles and ending up bracing these guys will appear in 3, 2, 1…

    And the two in the lower photo illustrate one of my rules: anyone with gear that clean hasn’t actually used it.

    • Rock or Something

      That latter rule is more applicable in the military than for citizens. I don’t expect the average citizen to make it a habit to low crawl through dirt and debris with all their gear and walk around it in for several hours everyday in 110 degree heat.

      All my sweaty, dirty, beat up LBV and equipment I turned back into the military before I left. I have perfectly new gear that obviously hasn’t seen the rigors of combat and training.

      • jcitizen

        Heck! They use to make us clean our LBE after each training exercise when I was in. Of course that was “training”, not service in the GWOT.

  • Aaron

    I would be doing the same thing if i had the spare time and lived in the US, here in the UK you would be arrested for intidation or something as pathetic if you were to stand up and merely be a possible deterent.

    I wonder if these brainwashed scumbags who carry out these attacks would have the cahonas to attack armed citizens, then again they must know they would be splattered before the authorities turn up.

    F*** your Jihad AR would fit perfectly here.

    • Esh325

      Why exactly? The UK doesn’t have a epidemic of gun crime like the USA does.

      • Aaron

        Why what? I said if i lived in the US.

        Here in the UK you can’t do anything

        • Esh325

          Why should the UK copy US gun policy a country which has the highest amount of gun deaths in the developed world?

          • Phil Hsueh

            Because gun deaths are so much worse than any other form of death, right? Last time I checked, you’re no more dead from a gunshot than you would be if you were stabbed, beaten, or choked to death. So why so much focus on gun deaths then? Why not focus on reducing violent crime and homocides overall instead of just one subset?

      • n0truscotsman

        This is a discussion about the guards at the recruiting center, not US gun laws.

        And the part you are missing is that the UK has always had 1/5th of the homicide rate of the United States. The good news is that ours is at 40 year lows despite an additional 100 million added to the population pool. As we abandon the more destructive socio-economic policies that have inflamed criminality, it will continue to lower.

        Just food for thought. Why is the UK’s overall homicide rate higher than Switzerland’s?

  • BattleshipGrey

    If these guys can find the time to do this then good for them, but they can’t keep it up forever. Terrorists will just find another venue to assault anyway. And if a bad guy really wants to hit a recruiting office, he’ll probably just drop an IED in a trashcan while acting as though he’s interested in a military career.

    The most I see happening for military recruiters is being allowed to conceal carry according to whatever state law applies to them.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Fat boy is probably going to shoot the Indian mailman.

    • Dan

      Or drive through the group and blow them all up.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Jeez, what a great poster boy for gun enthusiasts. Dude looks like he’s taking a nap after a big lunch.

    Its their right so go crazy I guess if you dont have anything else to do. The chances of any of these guys being a hero are slim to none. Personally I think some guys find any excuse to play dress up and show off their toys.

    • Grindstone50k

      This guy could take some fitness lessons from JINZ

  • Just say’n

    Our local paper reports twenty-three 911 calls in the first few minutes someone stood armed outside our local recruiting office, and that’s in a reasonably conservative state with lots of firearms. I applaud these guys but wonder if they shouldn’t be in a car or somewhere less conspicuous? I guess it’s as much for the political statement (let our troops arm themselves at home) as it is for security.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Don’t these guys have jobs?
      This is so dumb.
      This is whats going to happen: Mr Terrorist is going to drive up and see Cletus and Skeeter outside and go “Hey! Maybe ill blow up the post office today instead!” then leave.

      • anon

        Well, then cletus did his job of deterring violence at this recruiting center, meanwhile you did nothing at all.

        Good job Cletus.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          But what about the post office?!?!?!
          Im expecting a letter from this kid im sponsoring in Nigeria. He wants to be a glider pilot.

          • anon

            >but what about the post office?

            Maybe since cletus did such a great job at the recruiting center, we need more people like cletus?

            Cletus is love. Cletus is life.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Now I feel like we are putting a lot of pressure on Cletus.
            He’s only one man.

          • anon

            Cletus is no man. Cletus is a god amongst gods. Cletus is infinite. Cletus is eternal.

            Plus there is skeeter.

      • Bill

        Would you guys stop using the word Cletus? It keeps reminding me of that thing my ex-wives said I could never find. Besides, Cletus runs with Clem, Skeeter hangs with Hambone, whose mom named him that as a kid ’cause he was so ugly the only way the bluetick coonhounds would play with him was if she tied a hambone ’round his neck.

        I can say this because I live in Appala-CHI-a, where satellite dishes outnumber virgins.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          At least back in them hollers you’ll be plenty safe from the dang ol’ a-rabs.

  • Esh325

    I do like guns, but honestly America has really f*ucked up with when it comes to its guns laws. Other developed countries that allow gun ownership don’t have this amount of crazy.

    • Rock or Something

      What’s so crazy about America’s gun laws? Last time I checked, 50 different states have almost 50 different firearm laws.

      • Esh325

        Yeah, they aren’t universal which means they can’t be enforced as well. You ever notice that most guns used in crimes in Chicago are from jurisdictions with looser gun laws? http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/29/us/where-50000-guns-in-chicago-came-from.html?_r=0

        • Rock or Something

          Maybe places like Chicago need to realize they have a criminal problem, not so much a firearmproblem. It’s not like murders and violence aren’t done with other things beside a firearm.

          • Esh325

            If a place has a crime problem, allowing easy access guns doesn’t help, it makes it worst. It’s a lot easier to intimidate,kill,injure, or rob somebody with a gun than a knife. There is a reason why guns are the number one murder tool in the USA. There honestly aren’t any reliable substitutes for a firearm the types of crimes that are done there.

          • Rock or Something

            I responded, but the comment is awaiting approval because of a link, so here it is without it.

            That’s only assuming that the laws are only enforced against
            criminals. They aren’t. If a law-abiding citizen wants to purchase a
            firearm for personal protection in places like Chicago, it’s almost
            impossible. So most don’t. Yet that hasn’t stopped the criminals from committing violence. So obviously the laws are flawed because it targets the wrong people in the first place. keep in mind these laws also limit people to exercise self-defense. It’s hard to pin down the amount of times firearms are used in that manner (since may incidents are not reported) but it’s anywhere for a low of 30,000 instances a year to 500,000 (one estimate says over a million) Also, if you wanted to magically ban all firearms in the U.S., you still have almost 270 million total guns in existence, plus the avenue of smuggled firearms in from outside, similar to what Australia is facing despite their crackdown on legally owned firearms.

            Keep in mind despite the increase in firearm purchases since the early 90’s, in the same period, “gun violence” has dropped by half. A little over 13 per 100,000 men in 92 to about 6 per
            100,000 men in 2009 (if I remember correctly) This is nationwide, taken from government studies performed, by all agencies, the CDC. I used to have the study in pdf format saved on my computer, but you can search engine it.Oh and UK isn’t exactly the violence free utopia you think it is either. Daily Telegraph had an article saying UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe (2009).

          • Esh325

            Where did I say that all guns should be banned in the USA? And where did I say the UK is violence free utopia? I told you the reason why criminals are easily able to commit crimes with guns in Chicago. It’s fairly obvious the UK doesn’t have the problem with guns that the USA does. It has violence still, yes but your chances of being a victim of a crime involving a gun are far less in the UK than the USA. About defensive gun use. “A gun kept in the home is far more likely to be involved in the death of a member of the household than it is to be used to kill in self-defense4. Cohort and interrupted time-series studies have demonstrated a strong link between the availability of guns and community rates of homicide2,15-17. Our study confirms this association at the level of individual households.” http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506#t=articleResults

          • anon

            Freedom is dangerous. Don’t like it? Stay in your commie hug box.

          • Esh325

            Typical response from a tea party American who drinks too much kool aid. Maybe if you traveled you would realize that other countries aren’t “socialist hell holes” like Fox News tells you. You realize America isn’t the only country that allows civilian gun ownership?

          • anon

            Name another country where i can LEGALLY buy an AR15 in a parking lot before i am 21 with no registration, background check, receipt, signature, fingerprints, need to belong to a club, etc.

            Go ahead. I’ll wait.

            Also, nice ad hominem’s like that i am a tea party american, watch fox news, drink kool aid, or have never traveled. Maybe when you europoors stop being so peanut butter and jealous, you could do something actually useful like own a gun without having to ask your little overlords in the wigs if you are worthy of their approval to possess a thing, repeal sharia law, stop being so poor, get proper bathing suits, and finally win the biggest capture the flag match in history and get to the moon.

            Stay mad, commie <3

          • Esh325

            Sub Saharan Africa? That seems to be the direction America is going. Basically what you’re telling me is that you support making it easy for criminals,terrorists, and the mentally ill to easily get their hands on deadly weaponry. Repeal sharia law? You’re drinking Fox News kool aid.

          • anon

            In most african countries possession of weapons is actually not legal. nice try, europoor, but you will have to try harder.

            Stay mad that you have no guns and no flag on the moon.

            The repealing sharia law part was a mostly joke because thats where europe is (b)headed.

            As far as “supporting making it easy for criminals,terrorists, and the mentally ill to easily get their hands on deadly weaponry”

            Why aren’t they in a box (or a mental facility where they can get help) where they can’t get guns?

            Thats a problem of the judicial system being broken due to our failing war on drugs, and being unable to incarcerate the violent repeat felons, and not enough support for the mentally ill. Terrorists are going to terror no matter what, thats what they do. Guns were not legal in france, look at charlie hedbo.

            The crime problem in the US is a complex, multi faceted problem that requires a solution better than just saying “lets ban an inanimate object, because that will surely work”, like “lets not stigmatize mental illness and offer those people help”, “lets maybe not waste all our money on locking up nonviolent criminals for having a plant for a decade so we can focus on keeping the murders, muggers and rapists in jail”, “lets try to cut down on the gangs that account for literally most of the gun deaths”

            But no, you just want to come here and be mad about us dumb americans with our silly laws because in reality you are jealous that i am free and you are not.

          • Esh325

            In some of the dysfunctional countries in Africa you can get fully automatic M16’s if you have cash or a cow to trade. There wouldn’t be an America with Europe. And democracy is a Greek idea. I don’t know what you’re talking about. In many European countries you can own a gun. Switzerland,Czech Republic, and Finland come to mind. Like I said if you traveled you would realize that there America isn’t the only country out there that has “freedom”. I agree locking up non violent people,drug war, and mental illness are problems in the USA, but guns are also part of the problem. You can’t fix a problem unless you attack it at all angles. But the thing is not all gun deaths or injuries are linked to those 3 in the USA. Think about all the children in the USA that shoot themselves with unlocked guns. How many gun deaths per capita and mass shootings has France had compared to the USA? Since guns exist it’s impossible to eliminate the possibility of terrorists obtaining guns and carrying out an attack, but it’s possible in many cases to prevent that or make it hard to do.

          • anon

            >”In some of the dysfunctional countries in Africa you can get fully automatic M16’s if you have cash or a cow to trade.”

            Not legally. They are illegal, but the countries are dysfunctional and can’t enforce their laws. Big difference. You really need to use you’re critical thinking abilities to try to formulate a good point. Try harder, friend.

            >”There wouldn’t be an America with Europe.”

            Because you people invented a continent. good one.

            >”And democracy is a Greek idea.”

            We aren’t a democracy, and never have been. We are a constitutional republic. Do you know anything about this country that you have so many great ideas for?

            >”I don’t know what you’re talking about.”

            Because you are dumb

            >”In many European countries you can own a gun. Switzerland,Czech Republic, and Finland come to mind.”

            After non guaranteed approval from a duly appointed overlord

            >”Like I said if you traveled you would realize that there America isn’t the only country out there that has “freedom”.

            I have traveled, i emigrated here, i prefer it here, nice assumption that all americans are untraveled though.

            >”I agree locking up non violent people,drug war, and mental illness are problems in the USA, but guns are also part of the problem.”

            No guns aren’t. What you have is an opinion, what your thinking of is a fact. Glad i could help you understand, friend.

            >”You can’t fix a problem unless you attack it at all angles. But the thing is not all gun deaths or injuries are linked to those 3 in the USA.”

            But the vast overwhelming majority are

            >”Think about all the children in the USA that shoot themselves with unlocked guns.”

            We already have a law called the youth handgun safety act that makes it illegal to have unsecured guns around children. You really need to do more research.

            >”How many gun deaths per capita and mass shootings has France had compared to the USA?”

            Invalid comparison, next.

            >”Since guns exist it’s impossible to eliminate the possibility of terrorists obtaining guns and carrying out an attack, but it’s possible in many cases to prevent that or make it hard to do.”

            Just because its possible to do something, doesn’t mean we should.

          • Esh325

            I was being mostly facetious with the Africa comment. I believe you knew what I meant. There would no country called the United States of America without Europe. The United States of America IS a Democracy. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/13/is-the-united-states-of-america-a-republic-or-a-democracy/ How is it an invalid to compare them? Obviously with the so many instances of youths still being shot in the USA, the law isn’t doing that much good. Most Americans don’t even have a passport. If we want to prevent people from dying in the interests in public safety, it’s worth doing. 10,000 kids killed and injured each year with guns is no small number. http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/01/27/3206581/kids-gun-violence-killed-injuries/

          • anon

            At this point, you are grasping at straws.

            Have a good night, i will enjoy my guns.

            Stay oppressed, friendo :^)

          • Bungameng

            > “In many European countries you can own a gun. Switzerland,Czech Republic, and Finland come to mind.”

            >> After non guaranteed approval from a duly appointed overlord

            Well, that is where you are completely wrong. These countries may not have express constitutional right to be armed, but nor does US have express constitutional right to drive a car and yet nobody is saying that people can’t drive cars in US, right?

            Shall issue works pretty well in the Czech Republic – including as regards concealed carry. Once you meet the requirements, you can’t be denied the license and I have never heard of anyone even needing to battle that in court (bar occasional ex-convicts who tried to fight the gun ban period that follows release from prison – only if convicted for murder for more than 12 years the ban for them is for life, otherwise even convicts can get license… in time). The only thing that is may issue are fully automatic firearms. Yes, you can get fully automatic firearms in the Czech Republic (and Switzerland, and Finland, and Estonia… I could continue) subject to may issue permit. Do I see correctly your FOPA tears running over 2A?

          • Jon

            Democracy is nothing more than mob rule my friend, we a Representative Republic in the United States. Do not be fooled there is a difference.

          • Grindstone50k

            Homicide rates and crime rates are dropping. Your screeds lack any sort of factual, rational foundation and instead are merely emotional pearl-clutching. Get the data and understand what you’re talking about before making yourself look like a fool in front of everyone.

          • Bill

            Correlation doesn’t equal causation. We need to be real careful implying that increasing gun ownership causes decreasing crime rates, because there are about a million probably interconnected variables that could explain it, and indeed increased CCW issues may be one, but is going to be far from the only one.

            And before anyone mentions him, John Lott has zero credibility any more when it comes to the study of crime and guns.

          • Grindstone50k

            I didn’t mention a thing about increasing gun ownership. I merely addressed his “direction” comment.

          • Grindstone50k

            You’re right, I saw more homeless in London than I did in Chicago. Certainly no socialist nation would allow such travesties.

          • Dan

            Another elitist European telling America how it should conduct buisness. You’re over there,we are over here. Don’t come to my house and tell me how I should arrange my furniture and I will extend the same courtesy.

          • BlueRidgeMan

            I watch a variety of news outlets, including Fox News. I don’t recall any description of free countries as being “socialist hell holes”. Of course there are others, like North Korea, that any sane person would describe as a socialist hell hole. How about you?
            The main difference between Fox and other media outlets is that Fox will step on anyone’s toes. The others, especially NBC avoid negativity, however true, of left wing democrats.
            I think you just revealed yourself for what you are.

          • FarmerB

            Huh? Just over twenty years ago, Sydney had a “Drive By Shooting”. In fact, it was where a guy got out of a car and walked up to a guy in a bus shelter and shot him (execution?). The media went crazy that Australia now had “American Gun Culture”. So after the mass hysteria and bans from 1996 – all that has gone away? Well, now there are a constant refrain of shootings in Western Sydney – esp on weekends – as any simple search can confirm.

          • Jon

            There is a reason governments in Europe are the number murder tool also!!!

          • Esh325

            Asks the blacks and Native American Indians. What good did the 2A do for them?

        • Grindstone50k

          You don’t know how law enforcement works in the US.

      • Uniform223

        It is my understanding the local State Government cannot completely stop an individual (your common law abiding coffee drinking 9-5 “joe”) from owning a fire arm. The 10 Amendments is considered law of the land. Yet local state government can interpret certain laws and aspects as they see fit. For example individuals states can dictate what type of fire arms, how many, or make up ridiculous amounts of bureaucracy to slow down or impede the individual.

        • displacedjim

          …as long as it’s acting within the authority granted to it by its own state constitution.

    • Vitsaus

      Good thing only the governments in Europe have armed people, as that has historically proven to be best for the safety of the good people of Germany, Spain, Italy, Russia, Serbia, Poland, Hungary, Romania, France, Austria, Finland, and Croatia. Never have any of those people, in recent memory, seen citizens have to fight off invaders, or citizens have to defend themselves from their governments.

      • Esh325

        Nazi Germany did have armed citizens actually. Some laws were actually deregulated. Honestly, the idea that a lack of armed citizenry is why the Holocaust happened is an attempt to rewrite history for political gains.

        • token

          Plus the j#wz had it coming

        • Vitsaus

          I’m sorry, was Germany the only country I named in that list where government crack downs and oppression of citizens occured, or armed foreign invasion? I just need to make sure I’m not seeing things when I re-read the post I made. Guess nothing happened in Spain, or Hungary, Russia, Romania, the dissolution of Yugoslavia, etc… And of course nothing happened in China, or North Korea either. Good thing they don’t have wacko citizens with guns their either.

          • Jon

            You forgot the American Indians!!!

    • DaveP.

      My uncles who served in the ETO (y’know, fighting and bleeding so you could one day come here and badmouth their country) called… they said to tell your grandma “HI!” and that they really loved her ‘hospitality’, if you know what I mean…

    • anon

      Stay mad, europoor.

      • Esh325

        It’s your choice to have a ridiculous amount of gun deaths. Maybe you can realize that you can still have guns and not have ridiculously loose laws that allows bad people to easily get guns.

        • anon

          Why shouldn’t all people get guns?

          Who defines bad?

          I stole a snickers when i was 8. Should i not be able to own guns?

          I once told an offensive joke, does that make me a bad person?

          Should i not be able to own guns?

          Let the people decide whats best for them, not the government. If the notion of people being able to do that scares you, move to europe where plebeians aren’t able to possess scary inanimate objects without approval from a duly appointed overlord.

          • Esh325

            So terrorists,criminals, and murderers should be allowed to get guns then? Find me a place where telling an offensive joke or stealing a candy bar can stop you from owning a gun. A government should represent the people. In many jurisdictions in America you still cannot own a gun without passing a background check. So what about your overlords?

          • anon

            >Find me a place where telling an offensive joke or stealing a candy bar can stop you from owning a gun.

            Literally and non jokingly the UK.

            >A government should represent the people. In many jurisdictions in America you still cannot own a gun without passing a background check. So what about your overlords?

            I don’t live in that state. Different states get to make their own rules for maximum freedom. Pretty cool, huh?

          • Esh325

            I don’t believe there is any state where you can purchase a handgun with a background check.

          • Florida_Man

            Florida, if its a private sale

          • Esh325

            I stand corrected then.

          • Dan

            Im not aware of any state where I can purchase any gun without a background check unless it is a private sale. If background checks were required for private sales, there is no way of telling who is selling guns and who is buying them. Good luck getting a gun registration bill through congress.

        • ARCNA442

          I’m always amazed that people are so concerned with reducing “gun deaths” – are other forms of death somehow illegitamate?

          Yes, in the USA criminals (and their victims) are more likely to have guns. In other countries those “gun deaths” would just be beatings or stabbings or any one of a hundred other ways to comit violance.

          At least with guns, weaker people such as women and the elderly have a chance to protect themselves.

          • Esh325

            I believe I’m talking about guns here. Where did I say other forms of death are illegitimate? If knives and beating people with fists are just as deadly as firearms, then why in the USA aren’t there just as many people killed with knives and fists in the USA as with guns?

          • Jon

            You do understand the UK and other European countries with draconian gun laws have a higher per capita violent crime rate than the U.S., Right!!! You choose to be a subject and we choose to be citizens. In Europe the government grants rights, in the U.S. the citizen grant rights to be governed. There is a difference.

          • Uniform223

            Statistically violent crimes in the US that do not involves guns makes up the a vast majority of crimes involving assault or robbery. It is the sad fact that only when crimes involving a fire arm does it make wide spread ripples through the media.
            I believe if one harms another person it should not matter how or with what. The simple fact is that someone suffered. It shouldn’t matter if it was done with a baseball bat, 2×4, knife, or fire arm. Someone was the victim of another one’s action.

        • Rick5555

          Roughly 30k people are killed with a firearm per year in America. Out of that 30k, half is from suicide. People bent on killing themselves, will use another method if a gun is not available. Hence, there’s roughly 15k people killed with a firearm in America annually. 15k is not a ridiculous amount of death (with a gun) out of a 320 million population. In which 1/3 of the population 107 million people are gun owners. And there’s purportedly 300 million firearms in circulation. Therefore, it’s a very small percentage if we do the math with the aforementioned numbers. Also, most of the violent gun deaths (excluding suicides) is conducted via “gang on gang” activity. You want to make stricter regulations which will only affect the law abiding person. Who is not the one causing the gun violence. You want to enforce laws on the wrong group. We would see 80% reduction in violent gun deaths. If gang members were subsequently arrested, and if found guilty then incarcerated.
          As well as, we reside in a open type of society, as does Europe. The difference is. Europe elected to forfeit some of their freedoms and liberties. To ensure more safety and security. Whereas, America due to our Constitution wouldn’t do that per se. Of course our government would love to remove the 2nd amendment from our Constitution. Gun control is not about making society safer for its citizens. Gun control is simply about “People Control.” The police are not 1st responders to a incident like home invasion, robbery, burglary, rape, assaults, et. al. You the victim is the 1st responder. Therefore, I want a fighting chance to ensure, I am not hurt or killed. Police usually respond afterwards and rarely during. There is no way the police could be everywhere all the time. And unfortunately, we reside in a inherent and dangerous world. In which bad people will exploit and hurt others for their gains. Hence, I want at least the opportunity to protect myself and family.
          My friend in the UK told me, that he can’t even defend himself or family. If someone or a group home invaded him. If he did something to defend himself. He could very well be charged with committing a crime. Instead he has to look for a place to escape, or hide or just let the criminals do what they came to do. That’s crazy thinking, having to rely on the police to get there and then stop the situation. Even in the animal kingdom of nature. Animals will inherently protect themselves and their young when presented with danger and/or a threat. That’s a natural instinct to defend oneself when in danger or under a threat.
          BTW, the statistics in which the a person/family who has a gun in their home. Is more likely to get killed or injured. Is actually false. The stats taken were subsequently skewed from the beginning. The method used to obtain the info and data. Is the method used for acquiring data for disease of various infections. In fact, the expert who would gather the proper data…would be a Criminologist. And all Criminologist were excluded from these studies. Just look it up on google. As well as, the scientist who did these studies were biased against firearms. There were a lot of mistakes in gathering these studies. And yet the anti-gun community still uses this date. And gloss over it when they’re presented. That the data and studies were flawed and inconclusive due to the issues I raised above. As well as other flaws in the studies. Yet the anti-gunner doesn’t care about true data. As long as the data conforms with their agenda. They’re willing to look the other way. And we do have laws, at the federal and state level. Just some are not enforced. You don’t generate new laws just to have them. You should enforce what’s on the books already.
          Look at universal background checks (UBC). Sounds like a good and prudent idea. However, its not. Why? because UBC’s are to be used to generate a gun registry. Due to so many firearms already in circulation. How would law enforcement know if a firearm was sold (privately) before or after the UBC law went into effect? Law enforcement wouldn’t know and couldn’t know. Hence for a UBC law to work. You would have to register ALL Firearms to ensure this law would function correctly. Our politicians know this already. Why you hear Obama say, “why can’t we get a simple Universal Background Check law pass?” which would include private sales. “it’s just common sense.” But again, the politician would go to congress and say….”for the UBC to work properly, We need to register all firearms.” Or else how would one know if a private sale was conducted before the law went into effect. It would be taking the sellers or buyers word for it. See how that goes. Our politicians are attempting to erode our Right at implemental stages. To where it gets to a point, that it’s no longer a Right and now a Govt. Privilage. Now if the govt. can get away with doing this to one of our basic rights “Bill of RIghts” in our Constitution. Then what is stopping the politicians from doing this to say our 4th or 5th amendment rights. Now, the Right to Privacy is eroded? This is why people are so adamant in protecting the right to firearms. We are not the govts. subjects. They work for us.

          • jcitizen

            I checked the FBI uniform crime reports – more like 1/3 are murders, and 2/3s are suicide. In 2010 about 10,000 murders were committed with firearms, which is actually the lowest rate since 1981. I wasn’t able to gather enough data up to 2013 yet.

        • n0truscotsman

          We do need a complete reform of american gun laws, although, thanks to the efforts of the anti-gun side, there will be no rational discussion.

        • Grindstone50k

          You knew that the Charleston shooter went through a background check and the government failed at it’s job, right? No? I didn’t think you did.

          • FourString

            This reminds me of the Oslo, Norway, shooter. He too passed all background checks and was even trained, as required by Norway, to be proficient with firearms at his gun club.

        • FourString

          Gun ownership per capita is incredibly high in Canada too. Yet their gun deaths are much lower. It’s not a matter of how many guns there are. There are other variables at play. So gun control is just a distraction away from real societal issues, served up as an easy fix that doesn’t solve the underlying problem.

          I.e. broken mental health treatment system, poverty, violent subcultures, etc.

    • Kelly Jackson

      Other developed nations that allow gun ownership don’t have an open door policy to criminals either.

      Honestly, name another country where the president sent representives from it’s department of justice to a funural of an attempted cop killer.

    • Grindstone50k

      Other developed countries have far higher rates of violent crime.

  • El Duderino

    “Fat, in Crocs, and committing federal firearms offenses is no way to go through life, son.”

    • Budogunner

      The marine recruiter should come out, curb stomp the guy in crocs for not knowing anything about firearms or firearms law, then bring him inside for a cool bottle of water and a conversation about an organization that can provide him with thorough firearms training and an excellent fitness program all while he earns a paycheck.

      • El Duderino

        This guy would make Gomer Pyle look like Chesty Puller. Marines don’t need help that bad. ANG for this palooka.

        • Budogunner

          Even the Corps needs someone to do laundry. Recruiters can’t promise you an MOS ; P

          • El Duderino

            No MOS for that POS.

          • supergun

            Are you jealous?

          • rrdonovan

            Yeah, at least the guy has a good heart. Let him be.

            Master Rod

          • supergun

            I agree 100%.

          • rrdonovan

            Now if we could only rally the people. Get them to vote everyone out, and start over……We are going to hell in a hand basket when our military can’t protect themselves here at home. I joined the AF in 72-76 during Vietmam war. I must say, we had air police every where.

          • supergun

            Army 72-75. Something is stupid wrong when you won’t allow a soldier to be able to protect their selves.

          • Noel Gusa

            Yeah. And at least he has camo crocs, and maybe can aim well enough through the groove down the rail.

          • Wetcoaster

            I thought that’s what Halliburton was for

          • Bill

            Yeah, OCONUS they pay Third-Worlders like 50 cents an hour to scrub skivvies. And they have to explain that it isn’t the kind of starch you cook with. Plus, if you don’t go for the PMC look, and wear something like Levis, you risk having them ripped off and sent home to Boogerglob, Sri Lanka where they are worth like $200 or a year’s wages on the black market.

          • Bowserb

            Actually, depending on the skill set, in many cases they can not only promise, but can guarantee an MOS. Other services can also.

          • TBW

            When my son joined the USN they asked him to write down his dream job and his nightmare job. All started off well in his dream job until he got into an argument with his Master Chief. Then he found out what a terdstation NAS Lemoore is and that nightmares can come true…

        • supergun

          Politicians do.

      • n0truscotsman

        Or a concealed carrier in plainclothes can educate them the folly of drawing unnecessary attention to oneself, instead, valuing the effectiveness of concealing one’s kit.

        Or coordinating with the recruiters and local law enforcement to conduct surveillance/counter-surveillance, which would be far more useful IMO.

        • TBW

          100 Up votes on your last paragraph…

        • Noel Gusa

          My hopes is, these patriots know it will irk the pc sheeple what they’re doing, enough to remedy the idiotic restrictions so this is no longer necessary.

          • Doug73

            Yes, I’ve always found that poking people in the eye is the most effective way to convince them of something.

            Gun owners: often our own worst enemy, and often too stupid to know it.

          • Just my .02

            The “people” in question are so consumed with their arrogance, ignorance, and self-righteousness that “poking them in the eye” is all that will get their attention.

          • Doug73

            Not always true.

            In the last year alone I’ve “converted” two fairly diehard anti-gunners by taking them out shooting and talking to them, rationally and in terms I know they’ll understand, as to why gun ownership isn’t the spooky thing they’ve always believed. I later helped one of those people buy their first gun.

            Yes, I realize there are some who can’t be convinced. But I also realize that the defensive, defeatist posture of “let’s win the PR war by poking people in the eye” is ultimately a long-term losing strategy. Poke enough people in the eye enough times, and they start taking measures to ensure you can’t poke anymore eyes.

        • Bodie

          Rest assured, law enforcement already is conducting surveillance/counter-surveillance on these people. I’m not sure if the USMC is ordering its recruiters to do so, but I know for a fact at least 1 branch has already briefed all of its recruiters to immediately notify their COC of any and all civilians that have taken it upon themselves to pull guard duty at their recruiting stations. Not that it’s to send someone over to run them off; it’s just notification for documentation to keep note and be aware of armed people outside of the station. I assume if one branch has implemented this policy among its personnel, it’s likely the case for all of DOD recruiters. But if not, most of them all share plaza’s/buildings, so if the COC of one recruiting unit has been notified, it’s pretty much covering the other branches as well since they work next door.

          Though, my spouse recruiter has also reported that they now have officers from both the city PD and the local Sheriff’s office stopping by multiple times a day. So the cops would know about it at her office on their own without any reporting anyway.

      • yankee doodle

        He looks like the perfect recruit- someone dumb enough to join up to go fight Israel’s wars and for Wall St j#wush bankers- I guess the only alternative is to go fight some illegal for a $10 an hour construction job in Methville, TN. The last war worth fighting was the War of 1812- since then it’s just been “foreign entanglements” that our Founding Fathers warned us about.

        • SP mclaughlin

          What about the Civil War?

          • Zebra Dun

            You mean “The War between the States” don’t you?

            Regional differences and all that.

          • BugaBuga

            How about the war of Northern aggression?????

          • Zebra Dun

            That was on my mind but I didn’t want to start Flame war Three…..again. LOL

          • BugaBuga

            And it still goes on with the removal of our flags. PC rages in our country.

          • Zebra Dun

            Hell I’m with you, I still chafe at the battle of Culloden and the destruction of the Clan!
            “Deus Jusvat!”
            Alba Gu Brath!

          • rrdonovan

            Or as they say I Mexico “Chingense cabrones”…..

            Master Rod

          • SP mclaughlin

            Or as I like to call it, the “War that the South could’ve won with a strong Central Government (instead of ‘states rights’).”

      • Dan

        I would question any organization that would accept someone who wears crocs. They need to go away and take the Kardshians, caitlyn/bruce. Miley, justin and MTV with them

        • Jay Bee

          I would watch a mad max style kardshian show.

        • supergun

          At least camouflage shorts.

      • Michael R. Zupcak

        That was awesome.

      • Ergo

        the fatman is a vet.

        • supergun

          A chilled out vet.

          • Zebra Dun

            A Bar-B-Que Vet!

      • supergun

        Sign him up for bootcamp.

    • john huscio

      Doubtful that most of the people with the power to make an arrest on this guy (IE: most local cops) are remotely well versed in NFA laws either…..

      • Bill

        There’d be some form of assimilated state code that would match the federal statute, but I’d have hard time looking it up while continuously shaking my head at the decline of civilization as we know it. With my luck I’d just tell the guy to beat it, then 1) wind up on the interweb being videotaped being a “jack-booted thug hassling a concerned open carrier,” then 2) get spanked by my supervisor for not arresting the cat on a felony gun charge and get a disciplinary memo in my personnel jacket and a day on the beach.

        • Zebra Dun

          Being armed in a public place is a start.
          Might run off the recruits.

          • supergun

            This is his dress greens. People will flock to be recruited.

        • Noel Gusa

          True Oathkeeper types should risk reprimand to err on the side of the Constitution (easy for me to say, I know) but there’s a way, you know it…stand close, keep your voice low. All those NFA regs are part if the skippery slope afront on our Constitution, and bogus. Don’t act like a jack-boot and you won’t be labeled one. And if we can’t warn harmless citizens, how cime illegal aliens can always get off the hook for all kinds of violations just because LE doesn’t want to deal with ICE or whatever the excuse?

          • Bill

            Um, no: I swore the only oath I’m going to swear when I was sworn in, which included not participating in any duels, and upholding the Constitution. If you think the NFA is a slippery slope, it must be a pretty gentle one, seeing as how it was enacted in 1934, and those pinko liberals keep doing things like letting the AWB sunset and having more and more states recognizing the need for CCW, etc. You can buy an AR in MallWart and my LGS has a shelf full of suppressors, which you never saw 5 – 10 years ago. If the .gov is coming for our guns, they ain’t doing a very good job of it, to the point the somebody can stand out in public with a probably-unintentionally built replica machine pistol with parts available on the interweb.

            I’ll err on the side of SCOTUS. And if you think illegals are always getting off the hook, how about letting them build an immigration detention center next to your house? The ones I’ve been to are SRO.

          • Noel Gusa

            Yeah, they don’t succede much on federal levels, but it’s a one way turnstyle, I don’t see anything repealed if it doesn’t have a sunset built in. It doesn’t matter anyway when states keep whittling away our liberties, in the dark of night when emotions are still effected.

          • Bill

            For example? What liberties have you lost lately?

          • Noel Gusa

            In my state, supposedly we can no longer do private transactions with firearms, since last December. One is supposed to go into a gunstore or to an ffl holder, and fill out the form as if buying from them originally. An extra $30 on average, which matters in this economic climate. This is an attempt at total registration, always preceding confiscation historically. But I was thinking about those in states like NY specifically, where they restricted magazine capacity to a ridiculous 7 rounds. So jackbooted!

          • Bill

            Historically, when was there nationwide gun confiscation in the U.S? I mean, I’ve filled out a bunch of 4473s, I guess they forgot about me, I feel left out.

            Please please please trot out the incidents during Katrina. The ones were they took peoples’ guns, and a judge told them to stop, and they did. What a horrible system, with those checks and balances, that actually worked.

            You lost a convenience, not a liberty.

          • Noel Gusa

            I didn’t say in the U.S., and you know I didn’t mean in the U.S.

            They disobeyed the judge’s orders, I read. If they eventually remedied things, after all these years, good news! Too bad they did let family heirlooms get encrusted with rust though. It was very despotic optically, and proved that there always will be tyranical activist types infiltrating positions of power. It’s better to err on the side of being covetous of our liberties, jealously protect them, rather than err on the side of complacency.

          • Bill

            So you’re concerned about stuff that isn’t happening in our country, hasn’t happened in any significant scale in our country, and is actually less likely now after court decisions like Heller than ever before? And you think I’m whacky? Allrightythen.

            You read wrong. People who disobey judge’s order’s end up in jail, hurricane or not. But then you are like a nutty little Energizer bunny, you just keep going and going……..

      • Jon

        State and Local LEOs do not enforce NFA laws or any other federal law for that fact, there must be a corresponding state statue. The only exception would be someone assigned as a TFO with a federal task force, but these guys are issued federal IDs as well.

        • jcitizen

          The NRA says that the BATFE doesn’t even enforce the law most of the time. Their record on illegal attempts to buy guns when the NCIC back ground check is flunked is abysmal at best! In fact very few NFA violations get enforced. That is why they argue that GCA ’86 should be repealed. What is the use of making harassing gun laws, that aren’t even holding the criminals back?

    • Bill

      Maybe he’s A Few Good Men just rolled into just one?

      • Muchas Mujeres

        Man. You guys are hard on Pvt Pyle dudes had a few tacos since he got out. Yes a neon sighn and crocs is not the smartest way to Standgauard. Geeeez cut him some slack he cares enough to act rather than complain, plus it almost looks like a micro laser on his lower pic rail not the most idea aiming means but still. His harts in the right place.

        • Chi Wai Shum

          With a firearm that don’t even have sights on it? I would rather he do nothing.

        • Olson Ward

          I agree that his heart is in the right place, but he isn’t (in the right place). But also consider this — if you were ISIS would you not be deterred by that much neon green?

          • Muchas Mujeres

            There are so many things we can not see here folk OW has a good point perhaps the shirt is key. With so many bombings on isis they just may freakout and leave when they see neon green as in cryptonite green Pyle maybe a prototype T3000 we just dont know. Cyborgs never aim anyway good ol instinct. LoL

          • supergun

            Seal in disguise.

          • supergun

            Most punks would not bother with this location,,,,because of the shirt,,,,just kiddin’,,,,the gun tells it all. Only in America.

          • rrdonovan

            Damn dude! ISIS would have to wear very dark sunglasses. They would be easy pickins for the old boy. Give him a break.

            Master Rod

        • Zebra Dun

          SHAZAAM, I like them french fried Taters!

        • supergun

          At least he is out there in the heat and sweating.

      • Zebra Dun

        Few Good Men 2.0

    • FourString

      Seems like that guy can hardly hold that rifle in a straight line, considering what’s probably in his arteries.

      • captainbobby

        Ummm, it’s an AR pistol, not a rifle. Else he couldn’t have such a short barrel and wouldn’t need a forearm strap-on. He did screw up by putting a vertical handgrip on the front (a “No-no” on any pistol) but at least his intentions are good. He’s giving personal, unpaid for, time, and theoretically putting himself in danger for members of our millitary who are disarmed thanks to Bill Clinton. Give the guy a break. What are you doing for our military guys?

        • rrdonovan

          Right on.

          Master Rod

        • FourString

          With the way he’s got it set up, he’s gonna use it as a rifle if he gets shot at. Very obvious from the vertical grip and shoulder brace that is not attached to his forearm.

        • FourString

          He puts himself in danger by wearing a fluorescent highlighter bright T-shirt. No one ever got an A or a raise for mere intention.

          • captainbobby

            No argument there. (Digital) camo would obviously be better But that’s not the point of my comments. I’m saying that at least he is doing something in support of our military guys as opposed to the folks just laughing at him. While I think it’s not such a good idea to do this he has good intentions and I disagree that “no one ever got ……a raise for mere intention.” Corporations acknowledge good intentions even if they don’t use the idea and will often give raises for the idea as it promotes more ideas from which the best will emerge.

      • rrdonovan

        Yeah, you go tell him that. He looks hungry…..

        Master Rod

    • lomaxima

      See my response above. Nothing is illegal about what he did, however dumb it is to not have sights.

      • supergun

        Probably an automatic. Don’t need sights.

    • Bowserb

      Lots wrong here, of course. In fact, I can’t tell for sure, but he might even have his finger on the trigger…although the other hand is obscuring it. Another thing, besides the big neon green shirt short pants and crocs, is that one guy in any attire is not a deterrent–he’s the first target. At least two guys 10-15 feet apart (preferably with a bulletstop to stand behind) is the minimum, so a potential shooter knows he’ll get immediate return fire. The whole guard thing is stupid anyway. If you’re going to do anything, inside bulletproof glass added, plus available weapons for those inside, is enough.

      • Noel Gusa

        You’re right, but that’s the point. They don’t have the bulletproof glass or available weapons inside, so this is an attempt at a stop-gap in the meantime.

    • rrdonovan

      Get a life beeach……

  • Jeff Smith

    I actually feel safer without untrained, unlicensed “security guards” around me.

    • Noel Gusa

      “Feel”, aww, that’s what matters most? You are safer though, and assuming a lot with your “untrained” assertion.

      • Jeff Smith

        Yea, several negligent discharges in as many days. I don’t think that qualifies as being safer. And you assume just as much about their training with your comment.

  • Ajax

    I wouldn’t really call their gear a good set-up….UTG and Condor gear is never the way to go.

  • Wyatt Allyn

    Actually the tax to make an AOW is still $200. The transfer fee is what costs $5.

  • kyphe

    The gun aside, If you are guarding a place you want to be seen, you are the deterrent. the ensemble comment is just snobbery. Also he is not there to run after people but to stand in one spot all day, though I personally find crocs ridiculous.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      He could see a lot more terrorists with his eyes open.
      The only thing he’s taking down is a plate of wings.

      • kyphe

        Come on you know he will have fries with that and a shake

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          Now I want wings.

  • Rock or Something

    Tax stamp for only $5? Damn, where can I get that. I always thought it was $200.

    • sean

      $5 to add a forward grip on a pistol for a AOW…to put a stock or suppressor on that same pistol would be $200 a piece

    • Wyatt Allyn

      To make it yourself is still $200. $5 only applies to transfers on a Form 4.

      • Rock or Something

        Got it.

  • A.WChuck

    Those Crocs are camouflaged, so they *are* tactical foot wear!

  • Comrade Misfit

    “Canary guards”.

    • Swarf

      Jihadi fodder.

      • yankee doodle

        Your odds of being killed by a roided up US cop are infinitely higher than being killed by a muzzie

        • UCSPanther

          You don’t like the law? It is for your protection. Ain’t gonna be a lot of fun to re-enact kristalnacht on an armed population…

  • jeffrey melton

    The world is full of good intentions but this ex-marine should know better than to stand guard with his finger on the trigger. He stands guard by blocking the doors ? His yellow shirt is not very obscure. It’s sunny yet he stands guard without sunglasses or eye protection? In my opinion the gentleman makes fine cannon fodder. Was that his purpose?

    • sam

      It’s unfortunate, especially the guy dressed like he’s at a water park. I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other about the Nation of Islam, but I think it’s a good idea that they dress neatly when doing activism. I mean, why not: look sincere, make sure the opposition can’t dismiss you as a slob. Get that off the table, for starters.

  • Swarf

    I am so glad ‘tards like this are representing me.

    • sam

      I’m conflicted about it. On one hand, hey, let the weirdness flow, lest someone get the mistaken idea that natural rights are subject to social norms. On the other hand, yeesh that guy dressed like a child on summer vacation is derping up the image of the firearm enthusiast.

  • Budogunner

    @Nicholas: It is a $200 tax stamp to Form 1 an AOW, just like SBRs and silencers. The $5 stamp is only for transfers of existing, registered AOWs.

  • token

    Go sign up to fight Israel’s wars and for the Wall St jooish bankers you hillbilly dips#itz

  • Bear The Grizzly

    I bet this n00b doesn’t evn oper8 lulz

  • TITAN308

    By the way its $5 to transfer an AoW, it is still $200 to create one. IE; if you build an AR pistol and want to add a VFG you have to pay $200.

  • El Duderino

    PTR91! Get you some son!

  • Kelly Jackson

    I’m pretty sure the guy in the neon shirt is Jump If Not Zero.

    • Nicks87

      Wow, you must have a crush on the guy. You sure like to comment about him a lot.

    • Dan

      Wow man he really crawled under your skin didn’t he

  • Nimrod

    Actually I give these guys credit for stepping up in their communities to help. Most Americans are too stupid, lazy or apathetic to get involved. In a way they are protecting these offices even if their means (in some cases) isn’t all high speed low drag. By being there they are calling media to the issue of security at these locations. They will force the authorities to act instead of sitting around trying to decide what to do. There are other ways to harden a target but in the mean time the presence of these citizens, and of law enforcement and the media watching them increases the security. I certainly am not going to mock them.

    • Ben Blevins

      It’s a bit sad that after several African-Americans are killed in a church that no Marines volunteer to guard places of worship, but when Marines (who are trained to defend themselves) are killed, people are literally up-in-arms. It seems that these Marines in particular are more concerned with the lives of other Marines than the lives of defenseless Americans, which by rights they exist to defend.

      • n0truscotsman

        Its not sad at all, its common sense. That church, and in particular, celementa pinckney, have/had a more antithetical approach to gun rights, so, armed people at the church would have antagonized an already complicated and upsetting situation.

        That, and, the place is a gun free zone 0__0

        I would be delighted actually to see armed open carriers protecting protesters like anti-globalist groups, OWS, the LGBT crowd, and other persecuted minorities rather than guys like cliven bundy. And it DOES occur, fortunately.

        Or this http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/purple-zone-raid/

        People in that community should have armed themselves to the teeth and demanded answers.

      • Dan

        Seems sad that African Americans aren’t guarding themselves either. Oh wait they can, but recruiters are not allowed to be armed. Take the race baiting elsewhere

    • 9999Retired

      Nimrod, in reply to your comment about Marines protecting themselves and doing nothing about the people in the church.

      First.That fat body in front of the recruiting office isn’t a Marine. I guarantee you, the Marines inside have gotten the word and are locked and loaded and don’t need Mr Supersize me getting in the way.

      Second: The first people that would jump in and help are Marines, it’s in our nature so for you to say that we wouldn’t help guard the people in the church is way off the mark and you should adjust your dope. (I’m not talking about dope you can smoke)

      Third: You shouldn’t be sounding off about what you think Marines or anyone else who joined the armed forces should or shouldn’t be doing until you earned the right to do so.

      If you don’t like what I’ve said. Go down to your local recruiter, sign the dotted line and then you will understand.

      9999Retired

      • Dan

        Whoa there buddy, since when does the public need to earn the “right” to think anything?

        • Jon

          Agreed Dan,
          We should honor and respect anyone who joins the military, but that does not give them any special rights over any other citizen on a subject matter, even a topic concerning the military. Remember you are public servant while serving, you are not elevated to a level above citizens, who the military still answers to!!!!

    • Zebra Dun

      I’ve had American’s spit on me and call me baby killer, I’ve had them take me to Church during a Wednesday revival supper and feed good home cooked food.
      I’ve never had them arm themselves to protect me though….that would probably scare the BeJeebus out of me!
      If I were the recruiter I would be alarmed, amused and embarrassed by these clowns.

  • john huscio

    Say what you want about their appearance or gear (and plenty have on various forums) at least they are doing something to remotely put their own lives on the line……unlike a lot of folks…..

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      No they’re not.
      Rednecks like this give gun owners a bad name.

      • john huscio

        Gimmie a break with the classist bullshit.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          I’m sure these heroes are going to kill a whole bushel of terrorist sumbitches right quick.

          • john huscio

            Like it or not, most american gun owners look like those guys.

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Jesus, I hope not.
            Maybe do a few squats or some jumping jacks before breakfast.

          • FourString

            I never understood sinking all one’s funds into gear, but skimping out on a gym pass to be able to use that gear in the first place.

          • marathag

            A better chance than you, keyboard warrior, safely holed up in his basement posting away in comment boards, with history set to ‘private’

          • yankee doodle

            How do you know he’s in his basement? Are you watching him through his window?

          • marathag

            All Internet Trolls are in the basement

          • FourString

            Except in California, where we don’t really have basements.

          • Grindstone50k

            At least IUD isn’t putting an ND into the pavement in front of a recruiting center like one of these morons already did.

          • marathag

            point

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            We don’t have basements in Houston, dude.
            Im at the public library exposing myself to senior citizens.

          • marathag

            What? No wifi to your Fraidy Hole in the backyard?

        • FourString

          Rednecks aren’t ridiculed because of their social class but rather their behavior.

    • imachinegunstuff

      They just want attention. No sights, the other guy with no sights and a slidefire stock, c’mon these guys are the living mall ninja. They won’t be there in a year, a month or a week, as soon as they stop getting attention they’ll move on.

  • yaleman

    Imagine what would happen if after a mosque or church fire all the people who attend those places stood around with automatic weapons? Everyone would lose their minds. Why is this any more legitimate?

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Because theyre just good ol’ boys. Never meanin’ no harm.

      • AlanHan

        Look, if they’d brought along Daisy suitably attired the scene wouldn’t be so irritating.

    • Hillary Clinton

      Those are not automatic weapons! you Obamanoid!

      • yaleman

        You’re right, wrote it while half asleep. Updated (and I’m pretty sure you’re not actually Hillary, are you?)

        • Dan

          Yea she’s a regular here. She gets bored waiting for Bill to come home at night. She is a huge closet gun lover.

    • Porty1119

      “Everyone would lose their minds”

      No, certain people in the media would lose their minds. A lot of folks would approve, whether vocally or quietly.

      • FourString

        That quote made me think of Heath Ledger

  • SP mclaughlin

    Mo and Ron as my dad would say.

  • Uniform223

    I appreciate the fact that the common citizen is going out there to protect the recruiting stations. Do they have to go out there with their AR-15s and all that tactical stuff… NO. How about some ordinary people drinking their coffee with their CCW or a visible open carried sidearm with a proper holster standing outside the recruiter’s office? Just my personal opinion.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Thats not how Mall Team 6 rolls, dude.

    • Rick5555

      My thoughts are the same as yours. I think a side arm, that’s in a proper and secure holster with 2 extra mags…in a mag pouch would suffice. AR’s are necessary. Some people will exploit any incident to play dress up. The dude in the yellow shirt is the worse. Finger on the trigger, a bright shirt, improper shoe attire. And the best for last. Absolutely no sighting system. What would he do just hail bullets in the vicinity of an attacker(s)? If I was the recruiter, I would’ve pointed these things out and then ask the dude to go home.

  • USMC03Vet

    And yet they are still doing more than our overlords will. It’s easy to sit there without pants on and make fun of people on the net. If they aren’t shooting good people I really don’t care.

    • Esh325

      Your own military doesn’t even want these fools guarding the recruiting stations. They see them as security threats. What’s the chance they are going to stop an attack? Why just stop at military recruiting centers? Why not have deranged rednecks with AR15’s every where?

      • billyoblivion

        I suspect the people who “see them as security threats” are the same nitwit staff grade officers who care more about their careers than they do about their troops and the country they swore an oath to protect.

        Many in the US do not believe we should be at war with Islam. To believe that is their right. But what is NOT their right is to deny that Islam is at war with us. That’s a really badly constructed sentence, and I hope you’ll forgive.

        Islam *is* and *has been* at war with any and ever other culture around it since the Prophet got busted for being a criminal in Medina (or wherever).

        Now the war is here in the US. Has been since at least 1994, and it’s picking up pace.

        That the Army Chief of Staff and the Marine Corps Commandant don’t get this, and don’t wish to give orders that would upset their masters is evidence that they do not take their duty to their nation and their troops seriously.

        I can forgive the Air Force and Navy leaders for Not Getting It, they’re wholesale, not retail. Guns and knives aren’t what they do. Not so the Army and Marines.

        The Army and the Marines should issue an order that over the next year EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of those branches WILL get qualified to carry a concealed weapon, and will get qualified with a pistol to the level that the FBI demands. They will then carry a sidearm when off base and in uniform.

        They’re soldiers, going in harms way to protect the civilian population is a check they wrote and an oath they took.

        • Bill

          Being military doesn’t automatically confer expertise, privilege or the moral high ground, any more than being a cop does. Every branch has its own prisons. I can’t believe that no one in this thread has yet mentioned the Fort Hood killer.

          • Jon

            Bill
            Agreed!!!!

          • Zebra Dun

            Bill, You got that right!

          • billyoblivion

            >Being military doesn’t automatically confer expertise,

            There’s a difference between “Civilians” and “Military”. The military has people who *are* experts at this, and the military can order their untrained, un-expert people into close proximity with their expert people until the skills and abilities of the “un-expert” are much much higher.

            In fact I said:
            >The Army and the Marines should issue an order that
            > over the next year EVERY SINGLE MEMBER of those
            > branches WILL get qualified to carry a concealed
            > weapon, and will get qualified with a pistol to the
            > level that the FBI demands.

            They won’t, but they could.

            Now, you might argue that the FBI standards are inadequate, but that’s a MUCH higher standard than most civilian CCWs meet, and at least on par with local PDs. It also has the quality of being a standard designed high enough that a reasonably large number of people can be trained up to meet it, rather than say “to the level of Navy SEALS”, which is a bit unreasonable.

            Then again, this is the internet and unreasonable standards are a favorite of people who never had to meet them (Note, I routinely shot marksman during my Marine Corps time, and only once made sharpshooter).

            Also note there is a reason (stated) why I picked on the Army and the Marine Corps. Those are the branches known for getting up close and personal, and every one (at least in the Marine Corps) should be mentally and morally willing to, and I quote “Close with and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver”.

            And yes, Police *should* be stepping their game up, but in todays policing environment…Yeah, think that one through in light of Ferguson etc.

            > privilege or the moral high ground,

            The f*k? what orifice did you pull that out of?

            When someone in your proximity decides it’s time to go weapons free in the name of Allah (or because they’re schizophrenic or whatever reason) you don’t have to *take* the moral high ground, it’s been ceeded to you. Your right to defend yourself is not a civili right it’s a natural (or if you prefer “god given”) right.

            As for the “privilege”…, Oh, wait. I see. You have this idea that in a few backwards states civilians are prohibited from carrying concealed, and as long as they aren’t allowed to no one should.

            I can see that argument when it comes to retired or former police, but it’s not the issue here.

            This is for *active duty* military, and it’s not a privilege, it’s requiring active (and reserves when in uniform) duty personnel to be armed while in a combat zone.

          • Bill

            How often does each MOS in the Army or Marines qualify with a pistol? More importantly, how often do they train with it? I know the police don’t do enough training, so I doubt the average recruiter/tracked vehicle mechanic/medical records technician does. Whats the cost/benefit to having every MOS in the Army and Marines qualify with their pistol to the “FBI level,” whatever that is? Why did you leave out the Coasties, whose recruiters are the only ones whose branch has a definitive law enforcement and homeland security tasking? They do LE work, VBSS, and make hot arrests of some very dangerous people on a regular basis. The Air Force and Navy are what, bait? Their respective police forces and specops units are inferior to the Marines’? Their records techs don’t qualify as often as your records techs?

            When was the CONUS declared an “active” combat zone? Why did the military demand that weapons be cleared inside the Green Zone or at Bagram? Why shouldn’t every cab driver or convenience store clerk, who are MUCH more likely to face armed adversaries on a regular basis than a military recruiter, be required to meet your standard? The robbery rate would plummet so fast it would suffer a blackout.

            My comment regarding privilege and the moral high ground comes from the fact that the military reflects the population it is drawn from, and being a member thereof isn’t proof of stability or lack of criminality. The Fort Hood shooter, the kid who went over to the other side after deserting his unit, the other kid who went on a shooting spree on his base overseas (ANOTHER case that hasn’t been mentioned in this thread – I apparently have the longest memory), Miss Bradley Manning, .mil members who are also members of outlaw motorcycle gangs, those are just a few examples.

            Not that it matters in this case, but recruiters have never played fast and loose with reality, or their paperwork, when it came to promising MOSs’ and stationing and such? 😉

          • billyoblivion

            I strongly suggest that you find your way to a community college and take SEVERAL courses on reading comprehension, composition and rhetoric. Well, if you can find a college that teaches one these days.

          • Bill

            Funny, I have a side gig teaching psych and crim at one, I’ll walk down the hall and ask one of the comms instructors in what area I’m deficient. I remember enough from rhetoric and debate to know that when someone completely changes topic and course of exchange, they’ve realized that their basic premise was false.

          • billyoblivion

            Generally when I change topics on someone like that it’s because they clearly aren’t reading, or addressing what I’m writing.

            I addressed the vast majority of your points in my first two comments on the subject, and you ignored them to list your talking points that you’re clearly so proud of having found on the interwebs and repeating .

            Having addressed most of your concerns at least once, only to have you state them as if I’d not even gone there, I realized I was talking to a wall.

        • MR

          Islam is at war with every other culture around it. Just like Christianity, Budhism, Hinduism, Atheism, and any other religion you can think of. Islam might be a little more active now, they’re certainly grabbing all the press. But if you try reading the Bible sometime, you’ll find the same atrocities demanded of its followers as the Quaran demands.

      • n0truscotsman

        Thats a myth being perpetuated by the anti-gun media, who has put its own useless 2 cents into this clusterboink of epic proportions.

        Quite frankly, the moral panic against ISIS and Islamic fanaticism is stupid. About as stupid as gun-free recruiting zones.

        And what leads you to conclude that they’re “deranged rednecks”? because of appearances? and if they’re legally armed and being safe then what is the problem?

        (and wtf is it with the use of “redneck” on here? many people seem to fail to realize its a racial pejorative).

        • Bill

          I’m a redneck, and it isn’t a racial pejorative. Unless I’m going to the feed store or hardware store on a project, I put on clean clothes when I go to the strip mall for the Chinese buffet.

          You’re a million percent correct about the moral panic about Islamist terrorism. I’m a redneck with a graduate degree.

        • Cymond

          Redneck is racial? I’ve often heard it used as a slur, and frequently embraced as a mark of pride, too, but I’m not aware of any racial connection.

        • Zebra Dun

          A Man who is a farmer is considered a Red Neck. Blacks are also Red Necks and if from the south are considered southerners.
          My Dad was a Red Neck and My Mom picked cotton as a child and was proud to be a Red Neck.
          I am a Red Neck.
          And I am proud of being a red neck.
          The first Red Necks were in 1640 Covenanters, Presbyterian’s in Scotland.
          So as a slur, red neck means a Scottish Presbyterian who rejected rule by Bishops.
          These folks immigrated to the south of the US.

          • jcitizen

            I consider “Red neck” as a compliment. No PC for me! HA!

      • USMC03Vet

        From my experience, the most dangerous thing firearm wise to our Marines is officers and POGs at a clearing barrel.

    • Bill

      It’s easy to do with pants on, too, when you get material like this. All thats missing is a confederate flag.

    • Zebra Dun

      The men shot at the US military center had men inside who were armed.
      This fact is neither here nor there after five men died.

    • captainbobby

      Agree, USMC03Vet. It’s easy to sit back comfy and cool/warm and criticize. The most important thing these guys are doing is bringing attention to the piss-poor situation of our disarmed military personnel. If you had asked a hundred people on the street before this shooting had happened if they knew that our military is disarmed on base and at recruitment centers and I’d bet 100 of them would have been shocked to hear that.

  • Zapp Brannigan

    The best anti-gun argument gets made by the pro-gun whack-jobs.

    • Nicks87

      That’s no lie. Too many gun owners are their own worst enemy.

      • Justin Officer

        Agreed!

  • Bill

    Apparently in Lancaster Ohio a guy ND’d his AR showing it off to someone outside a recruiting station, and he’s looking at charges for discharging a gun within the city limits.

    • Dan

      Good, all morons need to be punished

  • john huscio

    I do get a chuckle that certain people seem to think in order to do this at all means breaking out the Oleg cassini and barbecue guns……”good PR” and all that..

  • UCSPanther

    I think a guy who is dressed like the stereotypical farmer (Coveralls, plaid shirt, work boots) and armed with a double barrel scattergun would be a more worthy guard than “Mr Crocs”.

    • yankee doodle

      Yes- but could they shoot unarmed Palestinians in the back like you scumbags in the IDF? 20 years in jail now for Pals throwing rocks at the IDF pu$$ie$- hopefully they can throw hot RPG rounds at you fu##ing yidds and send you all to he##.

      • rob in katy

        Who’s up for a game of spot the anti-semite?

        • yankee doodle

          Do you think I really give a sh#t? UCSPanther is a paid troll for the Israeli govt. Make sure you pay your taxes because the tens of billions in “foreign aid” that go to Israel from us ensures that Israelis get free cradle-to-grave health care- enjoy your huge US healthcare premiums.

          • UCSPanther

            Talk to your shrink. You need to have your thorazine dose upped.

          • FourString

            No kidding, hella random.

          • Ho hum he’s actually boring. I don’t even bother reading his comments. I just recognize the usual and ban him again.

        • UCSPanther

          I find our resident nazi clown rather amusing, especially how he thinks I’m with the Israeli government.

      • UCSPanther

        You Nazis can’t seem to form a complete sentence without nonsensical ranting and throwing racial slurs.

        You are a complete joke, fritz.

        • MR

          So, is his actual name Fritz, or are you attempting to use that as a veiled racial slur?

          • mosinman

            i wasn’t aware being a german is a race

          • MR

            Oh, you’re right. It’s a different form of discrimination, so you’re A-Okay. Nobody has a problem with nationalist discrimination, that’s why Donny Trump didn’t get any flack for calling out the effin’ Mexicans.

          • mosinman

            i don’t get butthurt by random internet comments so it really doesn’t matter to me

          • mosinman

            grow thicker skin please

          • Zebra Dun

            Germanic, Look it up.
            “The Germanic peoples are a Linguistic and ethnic branch of Indo-European peoples.” Thanks to Wikipedia
            The word Ethnic is considered as pertaining to race, religion, culture and region.
            The Word German is Germanic and the word Fritz is the same as the N word if used as a slur.
            Freedom of speech I’d say no matter how idiotic.

        • sheeny easton

          A donation has been made in your name to dailyslavedotcom

          • UCSPanther

            Thanks for wasting your money…

      • UCSPanther

        Oh, and throwing rocks is a weapon, so if you want to play that game, don’t be surprised when you are being forced to eat some .223.

  • Esh325
  • No he’s trying to avoid my keywords that block him. Too late he’s banned.
    Racist can go elsewhere—-

    • yankee doodle

      Phil- I know you are a cop, therefore not too bright(see: Robert Jordan vs City of New London, CT) but I’ve explained this to you numerous times- yidds are not a “race”- they are a religion.

      • Grindstone50k

        Don’t you have a Confederate battle flag rally to attend?

        • FourString

          since his name is a scathing ‘yankee doodle’ he’s more likely to be Palestinian than American

  • Porty1119

    Absolutely correct. However, look at the barrel length on that AR- it’s a pistol. Now, if we were talking an 11.5″+ barrel, XO-26 style, there wouldn’t be an issue. This, however, is clearly an AOW.

    • Devil_Doc

      I just had this conversation at my LGS. As long as your AR pistol is over 26 inches in length, you can add a front pistol grip. Read the last paragraph of the ATF letter regarding the Franklin Armory XO-26.

      • Jon

        Agreed, but clearly not the case here!

  • MR

    IIRC, A Form One (homemade, basically) is still $200, a Form Four (transfer of an existing AOW, or from a manufacturer) is $5.

  • Phil Hsueh

    The argument seems to be that while the UK isn’t completely free from violent crimes, it does see less gun crime so that makes things better. If you ask me, violent crime is violent crime no matter the implement used in its commission. It’s like violent crime is ok so long as a gun wasn’t involved, or that a ban of guns automatically means an equal reduction in violent crimes, or that a high rate of violent crimes is somehow acceptable so long as the number involving guns is low.

    • Esh325

      I don’t believe I said violent crime is okay as long as a gun isn’t involved, but the subject at hand here right now IS guns so that’s what I’m talking about. Violent crime actually has a different definition with each country. So you can’t even compare the USA to the UK for example in violent crime. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jun/24/blog-posting/social-media-post-says-uk-has-far-higher-violent-c/

      • Phil Hsueh

        But that seems to be your argument and that of many ant-gun people, by focusing so much and pretty much exclusively you give off the impression that you believe that gun violence is the root of all evil and everything will be rainbows and unicorns if only guns were banned. That’s not going to happen, sure you’ll get a reduction in gun violence but it won’t be much since criminals, who already don’t care much about the law, aren’t about to give up their guns simply because they’ve been made illegal. You will reduce the number of deaths from accidents involving guns but I’d argue that the number of accidental deaths from guns is already statistically nothing.

        About the only other thing that I see happening as a result ofa gun ban is the reduction of mass shootings, but what will likely happen is that instead of mass shootings you’ll see hit and runs at the mall (and other crowded areas) and people resorting to homemade explosives of various sorts; the reason being is that guns are just a means to an end in these incidents, if they can’t get their hands on a gun they’ll simply find some other means of accomplishing their goal. It’s not like these people think, “Hey, I have a gun”, or “I can get my hands on a gun, lets go shoot a place up”, I’d say that it’s more like they want to want to go out and kill people first and then they look for a means to accomplish that, if someone is set on going on a rampage they’re going to do it regardless if they have or can get a gun or not. Maybe we should make schools car free zones too since somebody without a gun can just go crazy in a school parking lot with their car and do just as much, or more harm, as they could with their car.

      • Uniform223

        “Violent crime actually has a different definition with each country.”

        Laws aside lets use some common sense…

        Someone is beaten within an inch of their life with hands and feet. Is that act not considered violent?
        Someone is stabbed repeatedly. Is that not considered violent?
        Someone is attacked and was struck across the face with a baseball bat. Is that not violent?
        Someone is shot. Is that not considered violent?

  • yaleman

    Removed the silly “automatic” reference, I was half asleep.

  • Phil Hsueh

    While those two in the bottom pic are much more practically dressed I’d argue that at least the guy in the Crocs has his weapon handy, unlike the guy on the left of the bottom pic. That guy’s rifle is dangling so far down that he’s going to have a heck of a time getting it up if he really needed it in a hurry.

  • billyoblivion

    I’ve met quite a few guys who look vaguely like Mr. Crocs who can handle themselves pretty well on a IDPA course.

    He’s willing to stand there and be bullet bait, how many of you are?

    • Bill

      Uh, I place a high priority on Not Getting Shot, which gives an unsporting advantage to your adversary. I’ll be in the stake-out van in the parking lot, wondering if these guys can spell “deconfliction,” guessing if they’ll open fire on ME if something breaks bad ’cause I have a pretty good tan going, and whining about the brass whose motto is “Solving Yesterday’s Problems, Tomorrow” so they can say that we are doing something while cases I should be working on stack up ’cause I’m watching a recruiting station full of guys who are in better shape than me, whom I’m confident are breaking all the rules and armed to the teeth.

  • Mac Thomson

    Im in Tennessee and have watched these concerned citizen-guards for several days on the net. Since they closed every recruiting center in a 40 mile radius of the incident in Chattanooga what are they guarding? The implication is that they are guarding the center in Chattanooga but that is not necessary.

  • n0truscotsman

    Nut’n’fancy actually had a good video about open carry decorum. Act civilized, dress properly and cleanly, and dont draw unnecessary attention to yourself. And for god’s sake, get a sling for your weapon and optics.

    For those of you who are also in the gun community that let this slide, you are contributing to the problem.

  • Grindstone50k

    draxx them sklounst

  • FourString

    Upvoted coz used USP for $500
    Good choice ^_^

  • Barney Samson

    Creepy, I know- but how do those lower legs/ankles support that load??

  • Alan

    Sparrow legged fat boy would serve his country better by losing some of his tub

  • Ron Fox

    His very presence there would probably deter an attack by a cowardly terrorist, who preys on the defenseless. Crocs, neon shirt and lack of sights……he’s still doing more than most.

  • MrEllis

    This is a pointless display on so many levels. A singular incident is not cause for panic. This causes more harm to gun owners than anything. It’s a pointless endeavor, there is no systemic attack on our recruitment infrastructure. It’s like me standing guard in front of the new WTC. It’s an empty gesture. I can go stand in from of any strip mall in America and have the same chance of getting into a gunfight as these people. It’s not even a preventive measure, it’s presenting more soft targets. A simple IED in the garbage can, a panel van, heck even walking up to these folks when they are posing for pictures and it’s more casualties. But realistically, the chances of the same thing occurring within a year are so slim as to be nil.

    To the general public all these guys are seen as the neon shirt guy is to you.

    • Bill

      But panic, over-reaction and developing mental narratives about imaginary threats is what we do best: The SHTF! It’s TEOTWAWKI! Prepare to bug out! Duck and cover! Oops, I guess that last one is out of play now, I’m showing my age.

      • MrEllis

        I remember wondering exactly was my desk made of that was going to save me. Then I saw a documentary about Nagasaki when I was like 9 and pretty much was convinced our teachers were insane. At that point I was hiding from them.

  • Chuck Mahon

    Regardless of their intentions none of the gentlemen pictured are doing anything useful – their amateurish displays are frankly frightening. All deserve a visit from federal law enforcement and a stern warning. There exists real, trained professionals already doing the hard job of protecting recruiting offices from kind of one off crazies that we saw in Chattanooga. Leave professional work to the professionals. There is no room for “militia” or “militiamen” like these amateurs in todays society.

    What we saw was a crime by an individual – not an act of terrorism. We have to get on message there.

    • mosinman

      i want whatever you’re smoking

    • Bill

      While I agree with the bulk of what you wrote, it was indeed an act of terrorism: the use of violence to make a political statement and/or forcibly coerce political and social change. It’s pretty clear that the killer had drunk the ISIS Kool-Aid. You are correct in that it was a crime, just as the Charleston church shooting was a crime, but both where motivated by political theory and thus are correctly considered terroristic in nature. You can be a violent criminal without being a terrorist, but you can’t be a terrorist with being a violent criminal. It boils down to motivation.

      If private citizens want to do something to protect against future events like this it would be to launch denial of service measures against extremist internet accounts. The second would be to adopt the Israeli model: clean up the scene within an hour and move on. They don’t give their enemies the satisfaction of disrupting their society for days/months/years.

      • CommonSense23

        Calling it a act of terrorism is a bit much. Attacking military, specifically recruiters is the same thing we do.

        • Bill

          I disagree. He was a politically motivated non-state-actor, so domestic terrorist, lone wolf (though it gives wolves a bad rap) domestic violent extremist, all those things apply. Otherwise, flying a plane into the Pentagon, blowing up the Marine barracks in Beirut or the Murrah Federal Building, or attacking the USS Cole would be conventional homicide cases.

          We also attack a lot of non-military. ISIS and AQ are stateless, hence they aren’t military. It gets fuzzy, but that’s why we have things like Gitmo and military tribunals for foreign nationals who aren’t members of the military, but also conventional criminal prosecutions of US citizens for attempting to provide support to terrorist groups engaged in attacks on our military.

          The recruiters we are attacking aren’t members of a nation’s armed forces working out of strip malls.

          • CommonSense23

            ISIS doesn’t exactly meet the definition of stateless. If ISIS engages US forces in Iraq, does that constitute terrorism? What about US personnel who operate outside of uniform, who target and attack ISIS personnel who provide infrastructure support in ISIS controlled territory? Does that constitute terrorism?

  • Nick

    To prevent some 911 calls, they should have a sign that clearly gets the message across. Something to the effect of “Our government leaves them defenseless, we’re here to fix that” to let people know why they’re standing out in front of a recruiter station armed.

  • Mrl

    Has anyone noticed the obvious? His eyes are closed. How is he going to see any threat?

  • Mac Chew Kim Thiam

    Guy in Crocs, may have a few areas that can be improved. But he is willing to stand there and do his part.

    Give him a break.

    • CommonSense23

      Do his part doing what? This is one the things that bothers me to no end. Hey doesn’t matter if the guy is ineffective, probably breaking some laws, and making gun owners look like idiots. Its that he tried to help? I hate this mentality of well at least he tried to help, even if it makes things worse. Do you really see this guy as someone who is going to account for everyone of his shots he takes with that AOW without sights?

  • Jim

    The guy in the first photo is a joke and should be told ‘Thank you for your concern and support but we want you to leave as we are afraid you would get hurt’ and then explain to him why and what he is doing wrong. As for the men in the second photo, keep them hydrated with any fluids they wish, (exception being alcohol of course), and even bring them some food with your heartfelt thanks and asking them if they wish to join the Corps.

  • NAVORD

    I love their intentions but my gosh these guys are a bunch of dorks.

  • Jon

    The pistol picture would not meet the overall 26″ requirement. The barrel appears to be only 7 or 8 inches and the Franklin XO-26 runs a 11.5 barrel.

  • mindflayer

    How about he has his freaking finger on the trigger?!?!

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    That was an actual Navy recruiter not a random redneck.
    Doesn’t make it any less embarrassing.

  • TheLooseTruth

    If the want to save lives they should put down the guns and pick-up some signs with big print “DON’T JOIN The MILITARY”..Soldiers today are stabbed in the back by the gov’t they fight for when they leave the military…Plus, they are fighting for bankers and crooks! This is not you grand-dads army

  • Bill

    So that’s the second ND in 24 hours. I think the first one was random redneck.

    • Zebra Dun

      People from Kentucky as hickock45 would say.

  • Gareth Owen

    He could just hand the gun to one of the recruiters.

  • Byron A. Malogrides

    ITS THE THOUGHT THAT COUNTS. HOORAH.

  • Justin Officer

    Honestly, the dipshit that negligently discharged his rifle for a 2nd time at one of these needs to have his 2A rights stripped and it takes a lot for me to say that.

  • Justin Officer

    Seriously! The one guy was charged before for a negligent discharge. Strip his 2A rights. The 3rd time he’s gonna kill a by standard

    • rrdonovan

      So keep bystandards away, ya think?

      Master Rod

  • OldCop

    Having been a protective specialist for the federal government, always in civilian attire, I can say none of these guys would put much fear in an attacker….The 2 thin guys are too close together and easily dispatched by a driveby with an auto shotgun…..2 shots in 2 seconds and they are done…and the causual guy is not an issue at all…..why not conceal all guns, put a couple guys across or down the street or on a roof where they are out of plain site? And how about some litte desk or pedestal with a little steel in the blend to stop 7.62 x 39..any protection is better than none….I understand their politicla statement, just suggest a little more tactics…

  • QueenAnnesRevenge

    I don’t mind the clothes or his condition, for all I know he can hit the deck and shell out 50 after a full day of pt, but my main concern is that his meat hook is hanging on the boom stick and it doesn’t look like he is ready to engage. The lack of any target acquisition aids and a grip pod on what probably is not an AOW is also concerning. I am glad people are stepping up an supporting our troops since big brother won’t authorize service men to protect themselves.

  • lomaxima

    If it’s longer than 26″ , it’s legally a “firearm” by federal definition and a vertical grip can be added BUT it can no longer be “concealed” as a “pistol”.

  • Kenneth Allen Donaldson

    Looks like he may have his finger on the trigger as well.

  • Raunchydawg

    I clicked on this link expecting to see pictures of people with guns. Instead I was treated to pictures of common tools.

  • Zebra Dun

    DGI, Don’t Get Involved.
    In a Police job or a security job the Military needs to be doing.
    You will either shoot yourself accidentally, a civilian accidentally, a kid just messing around with an airsoft gun or a terrorist will pretend to be doing exactly what you are doing and kill again.
    This. Is. As. Stupid. As. It. Looks.
    Floggin’ idiots.

    • Mark

      Exactly!

  • BugaBuga

    He reminds me of Gomer Pile in “Full Metal Jacket” “Disgusting fat body” With the Obutthead changes in the military, he could probably fit in just fine, as is. He would never make it in the Army that I served in.

  • Zebra Dun

    My recruiter back in the Old Days fought in Korea and Vietnam as a Rifleman and Rifle Plt Sgt.
    He had the ribbons and gongs to prove it.
    He also had the hook where his hand once was.
    And the Purple Heart.
    What you don’t know can make you look foolish.
    Painting all Recruiters with a broad brush isn’t smart.

    • cmw

      Zardoz didn’t paint all recruiters with a broad brush.
      He said “most recruiters”. Do you not know the difference between “most” and “all”?
      I agree w/ Zardoz 100%. That uniform doesn’t make you an expert in firearms. 80% of the military is “support” for the experts. That’s why soldiers/marines generally aren’t allowed to carry their service weapons on post/base. I don’t want a spastic from the motor pool running around w/ an M-16. [No offense to the guys in the motor pool; but you carry the wrench, I’ll carry the rifle.]
      Anyway, am I the only person to notice that Crocs has his finger placed directly on the trigger?
      “Finger off of the trigger” means “Finger out of the trigger guard”.

      • Zebra Dun

        Most means the greatest number of a given item or group.
        The definitions are there do you wish to see it?
        That is painting the MOST recruiters with a broad brush.
        A man may be a Motor transport or a PoG yet take a firearms course or simply like and enjoy firearms in his spare time and be fully qualified to handle a firearm.
        Every Marine is a rifleman regardless of MOS after basic and every Marine is able to handle at least a rifle.
        Every Spastic Marine in the motor pool qualifies every year with the service rifle.
        Now if your speaking of Army well somewhere in their training they were trained to handle a rifle, Navy? yes most are trained at Basic to shoot the M-9 Air force? My Brother-in-Law was trained to shoot the M-16 even though he was a fueling airman for BUFF’s.
        Some folks such as the ones here standing guard with their rifles think they are special most likely because they served in some infantry field.
        I did, you say you did and guess what, we ain’t special nor firearms experts because of it.
        I don’t claim to be.

  • scaatylobo

    IF you are interested in actually guarding one of those = I see it a DUTY to do so in a quiet and respectful way.
    Dress accordingly ,in a manner that shows respect to the uniforms that you are guarding.
    That clown is a disgrace !.
    And if you are asked to leave ,do so ASAP.
    Possibly guarding them from inside another business,or from your vehicle AFTER notifying the local P.D. that you are there NOT as an attacker but to defend [ they might get calls ? ,ya think ].

  • Zebra Dun

    I was waiting for this.

  • Zebra Dun

    And then the white Toyota Hi-Lux drove up with a .50 BMG mounted in the back with a big YEHAWWWW!
    We’uns is here to protect and serve!

  • BlueRidgeMan

    The best security is the security you don’t see in cases like this. The neon shirt guy AND the two guys “doing it right” are easy targets for someone 50 yds away in his car. They go first, then the center gets rushed.
    Situational awareness and not being too noticeable is the better approach, IMHO.

    • William Wallace

      Then again, there is also high visibility patrol for deterrence. Of course, if a suspect is determined, you can park 2 black and white patrol cars with 4 uniformed cops and they would still hit it. But as experience tells, a vast majority of suspects would move on and find an easier target. By that train of thought, if your security measures are hidden, it would appear to be a soft target and you would get hit. Even though you would have a response in place, the problem is, you are “responding” and not “preventing”. Just a thought. There is no right or wrong answer, just how you want to approach the situation.

  • William Wallace

    I’ve seen many AR pistols with VFG here in stores. The salesman was explaining there is a middle area where if the OAL exceeds 26.5″ then it’s not forbidden or something like that, so the AR barrel has to be at least 10.5″ or more, then you can mount a VFG. No idea what he was talking about, but they are selling their AR pistols from their stores that way. It’s a large regional chain store here that is known for being conservative too (they didn’t even start selling anything AR related until a few years ago because they took forever to get it through corporate while the rest of the country already went through the AR fad), which surprised me. I’m not quite sold on his explanation, but just reporting what I have seen and heard.

    • floppyscience

      If an AR is over 26″ but doesn’t have a stock, it’s legally a “firearm”, not a pistol. “Firearms” can have forward grips.

      This guy’s AR is certainly not over 26″.

      • William Wallace

        Thanks for the clarification. Also, it is highly adviseable to check local and state laws regarding assault weapons, if any. California has its own separate and more strict definitions of assault weapons and limitations. So even if you are compliant federally, you might still violate state and local laws.

  • Mark

    Come on now!!! These people are idiots, regardless for how they are dressed. This is a prime example of why gun enthusiasts are looked upon as gun nuts. Better to keep this mentality on the paintball arena and the real stuff on the range. Besides that, regardless of intention, breaking Federal laws because you think you doing a good deed is ridiculous! What’s next trying to carry into a courtroom? “I’m just protecting the judge.” How about these morons patrolling the neighborhood streets? “I’m just protecting citizens from the escaped prisoners.” Personally, I’d be more afraid of an accidental discharge from one of these “wanna be’s” injuring someone than another purposeful attack. We all feel loss and want to do something. But putting yourself above the law is exactly the wrong way to do it!

  • littlebob

    Why is his finger on the trigger? Does he have a target painted on the inside of his eyelids?

  • Brandon

    Just put up a “Gun Free Zone” sign…job done!

  • Steven Hickman

    Are these guys willing to stand in front forever? The bad guys can wait until they stop.

  • Alex Pei

    I wouldn’t exactly be praising the second photo ether. Guy on the left’s plate carrier doesn’t even look it like was fitted or adjusted properly.

  • Bob

    So when I’ve seen documentaries about our soldiers in a FOB, housed in plywood “buildings” in AFG or IRQ, with incoming or called to arms and dashing out in $2 flip flops wearing (maybe) shorts, no shirt, and a chest rig and no ballistic vest, would you tell them to their face how un-tacticool they were wearing flip flops, shorts, no PASGT or ballistic vest? No? I thought so. All of you armchair quarterbacks who nitpick these guy’s kit can shut up.

    • Uniform223

      Here is the difference between here and getting deployed to Assghanistan and Iraq… people will actively shoot at you any time of the day or night that they wish, those places are a combat zones. Its not so much soldiers and marines being tacticool, but responding to the threat no matter the circumstances. I have a friend who was deployed to Assghanistan and AQ/Muj attacked while he was on the pooper… guess what he had to do…

      “All of you armchair quarterbacks who nitpick these guy’s kit can shut up.”

      Yes we can nit pick this guys kit because how are you supposed to properly employ your rifle, sbr, or any other fire arm without some type of sight system… iron or optic? No soldier or marine would dare go out the wire and have their kit without proper sights. Whats that guy going to do in the picture? “Eyeball” it and hope his rounds fall where he wants them too?

      • rrdonovan

        Doesn’t matter at close range dude.

        • Bill

          Yeah, it does. Hitting your targets matters at all ranges.

    • rrdonovan

      I second the motion.

  • C.j. Singleton

    A more reasonable setup would be to leave the damn long guns in the vehicle carry a pistol preferably concealed and not turn a good thing into an open carry circle jerk that makes us all look like idiots.

    • William Wallace

      Yeah… very true. That is the ugly truth that is hard to confront about this otherwise great outpouring of patriotism. I hope people don’t get it all backwards and harm the rest of the gun owning population like how the open carry crowd did in California.

  • Mark

    If the shoe fits….

  • supergun

    We all are bar~b~qued if we don’t get a good president for this country.

  • I thought this was going to be discussing the guy who had a negligent discharge at one of these things, or the fact that the military doesn’t want any of you there.

    • rrdonovan

      Ooooohh! Don’t let one negligent discharge ruin you day. I’m sure the military has many…..

  • Owen

    This is just embarrassing to gun owners. Gear and tats? Check. Regular PT? Not so much.

    Likewise I had mixed feelings about a lot of the recent OC demonstrations. I understand and appreciate that the antis cannot be allowed to set the parameters for what is and is not “acceptable” with regard to our civil liberties, and that sometimes bold displays are called for, but on the other hand there’s just so many guys who seem to be doing their very best Dale Gribble impressions.

  • petru sova

    Untrained civilians running around with loaded weapons is an accident waiting to happen not to mention a misidentification or panic shooting that would result in an unjustified shooting which in turn would result in millions of dollars in law suits not to mention possible jail time for some of these arm chair wannabe commando’s.

    • rrdonovan

      Accidents happen every day. I wouldn’t mind the gun going off many times by accident during a riot. If we had more good hearted citizenry armed, and in plain view, rioters, looters, haters, etc., would think twice. A rock flys my way, a carefully aimed bullet will fly their way.

  • candiduscorvus

    The DoD should be embarrassed that citizens, as goofy as many of them are, show up armed to guard their recruiting centers. They can’t issue some M9s or M4s and a gun safe to lock said weapons up with to their own people? That’s probably all it’d take to make these people stay home and stop making a scene.

  • Kivaari

    “If I can shoot, I don’t need to run”. I know it’s BS, but it worked for a friend when he was in MARINE CORP BOOTCAMP. He had an undetected broken leg, but he could shoot. His DI liked the response and got him to the surgeons to fix his leg. He ended up training officers at Quantico. A good gig. No red dirt of Vietnam.

  • Kivaari

    If I had not just come out of surgery on the 17th and 20th, and didn’t need a walker, if they asked, I’d do it. I still have an M4 and Glock17. At least sheriff Joe has the right idea he is putting uniformed posse members out at no cost to the citizens.

  • uisconfruzed

    I kinda likes the no sights, neon shirt, girly crocs, WITH the icing on the cake that he has the skills to sleep whilst standing!

  • TBW

    The USN has changed in just the time my son was in. The demise has been notable but sexual perversion is protected with an iron fist! My ride from HI to San Diego aboard Nimitz was an eye opener!

  • GenEarly

    1. While the keyboard commandos here (me included) type away at least this guy got up and left his house to show up.
    2. Obamy just spoke again of his intention to curb gun “violence” (by white men) before he finishes his second term of office.
    3. Chamberpot Repubs are moving to moderate their 2nd Amend “rigidity” to accommodate their DemocRat cousins in Con-gress.
    4.Better buy what you want Now, ammo too. One Obamy phone call away, following the next domestic mass killing. Background Checks are “Federal” and can be suspended…..
    Only people “showing up” will preserve Liberty, even overweight in crocs,is better than nothing. CYA, time is very short, until a shutdown.

  • richard kluesek

    Just posted on militarydotcom and this validates the comment. Infiltrator ? Well meaning ally, but incompetent and dangerous ? Or highly qualified and well trained retired LEO, MoS, or NRA certified civilian ? Who knows ? Just rearm our Servicemen and women, all ranks, of whomever rates handgun qualification. Concealed carry and openly on duty. Just like General Patton in WW2 and John Wayne in the old Cavalry Western flicks.

  • CavScout

    That’s some Arfcom stuff right there. Likely a home-built pistol from the cheapest PSA and Anderson parts available, then a $200+ keymod handguard and $100+ brace to make it cool. The weapon probably doesn’t run reliably, if at all. Know how I know it’s not zeroed??? Also, probably never been shot before.
    That said, B+ for effort. Thanks for coming up to bat, as long as it wasn’t just for attention.

  • jcitizen

    You can tell he was a good egg, he even asked supporters not to demonstrate against the property owner!

  • Jimbo

    At least the guy is doing something to protect our troops. What are you all doing, besides criticizing the guy?

    • CobraPilot

      He’s NOT protecting our “troops”.

      He’s being an altruistic clown hero by being an outstanding primary target with that getup.

  • La Billyboy

    None of this is legal in California… Thanks Democrats! Our state is one big “gun free zone”, wonder how long it will take the Muslims’ to figure that out. You can’t even go out in your own yard with a firearm or you’ll have the SWAT team on you. Guns have to be loaded into your vehicle in a locked container, unloaded with ammo in a different container. You have to be on the way to or from a shooting range or hunting… CCW? less than 1000 in Los Angeles with 14 million + people. People go to jail here for just having an unloaded gun in their car due to technicalities, even if they are just innocently headed to the range… Open carry was ended when some folks decided to push the limits here so the Democrats just ended it.

    • Norm

      This is the number 1 reason why sane people should get out of that state ASAP.

      Let the Demodorks & the illegals finish it off.

      I fled the People’s Republic of Maryland long, long ago because I saw it creeping towards a socialism/communism environment.

      I was right; my beloved home state reeks of crime, and Commissar O’Malley & the Demodorks have ruined it to the point that it’s Number three behind California and New York for oppressive, progressive government. The gun control laws are almost as despicable as California’s.

      Viva la Demodorks!

  • MR

    True, but that doesn’t stop fanatics, both Christian and Muslim, from cherry picking individual verses to support their twisted agenda. I believe the Crusades took place since the New Testament became available, as did the Inquisition.

  • not a pistol

    I think that ownership of chopped down rifle “pistol” is a good indicator of the owner being a douchebag, and this picture just goes to prove the point. Idiot and douchebag.

    If you know someone who owns a “pistol” – say away. Much like it is a good idea to stay away from people who “roll coal” on diesel cars, do crack, like to fish with dynamite, etc. Generally bad company.

  • Denny Symes

    OK, I’m good with the criticisms on the guy’s clothing, and his inability to actually respond to a threat. But to call him out to the feds for not conforming to unconstitutional laws is bullshit, and cowardly, in my opinion. Instead of coming right out and being a traitor, just do the passive aggressive thing and hide and point him out.

  • Thomas Morton

    Poor guy just wanted to help protect the innocent from gun violence. I’m sure that there just wasn’t any room to help when he checked at all the black churches first.

  • Bill

    When were firearms more of a part of daily life than they are now? If you say the 1840s, keep in mind that you are using an electrical powered competing machine, and people owned other people and 52% of the population might as well have been because they couldn’t vote. Shame someone into doing something? That’s the American way – maybe you’d like them to have to wear yellow “I’m not a gun person” badges.

    The NRA is expert at poking and jabbing – they’ve poked some of us into jabbing our wallets back into our pockets and dropping our memberships.

    And your last couple of lines are priceless. “Don’t call the cops if you see a guy with a gun, just wait ’til they start shooting.” Then trot out the old cliche “when seconds count, cops are minutes away.”

    • Noel Gusa

      Please stop trolling me. You use typical leftist tactics by changing the subject, and/or steering into your advantage like battle tactics. Real, honest Americans shouldn’t discuss a topic they sincerely wish to remody in this fashion. You misinterpreted everything I wrote, and know it. To clarify on one point that is relevant, for reasonable readers, you live in a rural area…neighbors safely are shooting targets into the side of a hill, but you’re a certifiable hoplophobe. The dispatcher and police shouldn’t harrass the decent wholesome Americans, justconcluding they’re automatically bad. A man witha ski mask and an ak held at the ready position, in an urban shopping mall…that’s great for calling the police, preferably while holding onto you concealed carry piece from good cover! I shouldn’t have even had to explain this so thoroughly, lib trolls even take fun out of adult conversation!

    • Noel Gusa

      P.S. A truelly evil and hateful tactic using quotes on a misquoted misinterpretation! Regarding shaming, yes, that is how culture used to work, and is better than just passing fascist laws about everything. But then you make the gold star comparison? I’m talking about persuading and image imorovemen, and you flip it totally around to the opposite, despicable! These tactics clue me in you’re probably doing this on the payroll of a Soros owned company, or other ‘big anti-gun’ affiliation, there’s no intellectual honesty. And pre 1937 is what I was referring to. When they made up a big batch of phony firearm restrictions unconstitutionally to not have to cut back the scale of the federal revenue bureaucracy. From dumping whiskey, they now had the job of using a tape measure on the shotgun barrel of some penniless backwoods sustenance hunter as new busy work. Troll alert!

      • Bill

        Yeah, you’ll persuade people and improve our image by shaming anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Wear some nice comfy Crocs while you try that.

        • Noel Gusa

          Yeah, but it’s a slow process reforming a big society. Not only shaming, but for example, a group of guys bs-ing, one says something real anti gun, you make a joke about him suggesting his testicles wete removed. But maybe only should be for real extremists. Maybe a celebrity or media person says same comment, and they’re pressured to appologize, whatever channels make that work. And politicians really should be pressured for saying something stupid, they’re who count most in this battle. Just spitballing for someone who might know how to run with it.

  • Madcap_Magician

    Fat and neon… hey whatever, leave the guy alone.

    But I sure hope he has his paperwork in his pocket for his SBR, and that he can save up enough for some sights soon.

  • Noel Gusa

    I don’t see examples of good guy pro gun people making the case look bad, but the thing is, it will look bad to the truelly brainwashed you can’t convert, not the reasonable people you can. This man who the whole string is about originally? Well the gun-phobes won’t even know about or understand our criticisms of this picture . They probably fear even more the guys who are dressed appropriately tactical, and have a “scary” optic on their standard legal modern sporting rifle. They wouldn’t even know about the NFA restrictions he might not be in compliance with, and probably would feel less stunned because he’s dressed somewhat whimsically, I guess one could argue? Things like accidental discharges, that could be a negative press incident….always practice safety folks!

  • Noel Gusa

    I’ve had to deal with them on various counts, in the same predicament. They make me feel like the jerk for making them come out, instead of whoever called them, or the dispatch even sending tbem. Then they act like their authority equals knowledge, it doesn’t. A 9mm doesn’t go 20 miles like one expressed a fear of, regarding shooting into a bay in a very rural area.

    Now you’re just picking a fight. I think it’s clear enough, but the point was just acceptable social attitudes you might say. This hoplophobia sickness permeating certain blue regions just is a downer ok? Maybe you’re ok with it.

    • Bill

      They probably made you feel like a jerk because you sure sound like your a jerk.

    • Bill

      “Now you’re just picking a fight.”

      So how’s that poking and jabbing working out for you, Sugar Ray?

  • Eric X Ericx

    “THAT GUY”