Kel Tec SUB2000 Gen2 9mm (Glock Variant) Hands-on Review

In this TFB TV video, James gets to review the Kel Tec Sub 2000 sub-rifle. This model is the 2015-new “Gen2” variant which has several upgrades over its very popular predecessor, which James discusses fully in this video. The SUB2000 folds completely in half and uses popular pistol magazines such as Glock 17 magazines. Because the Generation 2 SUB2000 has a threaded barrel, James gets to try it out with his Advanced Armament Evolution-9 silencer. How does the generation Gen2 stack up to the first generation model?

Guns in this video:
Kel-Tec SUB2000 Gen2 9mm

Accessories in this video:
AAC Evo-9 silencer



James Reeves

James Reeves is a licensed and practicing concealed weapons instructor, the winner of Maxim Magazine’s MAXIMum Warrior, a graduate of Front Sight, the Shooter Performance Institute, and Tier 1 Group, and is an Appleseed-qualified Rifleman. James previously owned and operated a gun shop in Tallahassee, FL and worked as a regional sales representative for distributor/importer, Interstate Arms Company. He is a coverage litigation attorney by day. James likes traveling with his wife, boating, America, photography, guns, gear he doesn’t really need, cold beer, and a little exercise here and there (James is also GORUCK Tough). Above all, James enjoys creating content for TFBTV. Follow James on Twitter @jjreeves.


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  • Cal S.

    I’m just hoping they made the handguard compatible with the Gen1 so we can get a light rail system that won’t break the bank.

    Any idea if that’s the case?

    • James R.

      Cal, the Gen 2 takes M-Lok. Pretty sweet upgrade. Nice Poland Ball avatar btw.

      • Cal S.

        Thanks! A buddy designed it for my character in a Poland-ball type comic.

        Ok, let me be more specific. I own a gen1 and don’t feel like shelling out for a gen2 right now. My questions are:
        1) Will the gen2 handguard fit on a gen1?
        2) Will Kel Tec sell them separately?

        Do you happen to know that?

    • WRBuchanan

      NO it is not.

      • Cal S.

        How do you know that? I was so hoping it would be…

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Good God, thats ugly.
    In an end of the world situation Id rather have my 5.56 and look cool.

    • iksnilol

      “ooh, look at me, I got a full auto AR”

      -TheNotoriousIUD

      • TheNotoriousIUD

        A 10/22 would also be preferable.

        • iksnilol

          “Full auto again, because I am awesome”

          -What TheNotoriousIUD forgot to add πŸ˜‰

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            Well I wasnt trying to be a di-k about it just saying I would prefer any 5.56 over this thing.

          • M.M.D.C.

            Moniker notwithstanding.

            Sorry, I couldn’t resist. πŸ˜‰

          • TheNotoriousIUD

            That was a hanging curveball for sure.

          • iksnilol

            Nah, you aren’t a d***. You just have a full auto AR lower. πŸ˜‰

            Seriously, you can even get belt fed MG34 uppers for the AR lower. Don’t know if they are still legal though. It is ridicilous, the good kind of ridicilous.

          • Cymond

            The ATF ruled that putting those beltfed MG-34 uppers on a registered lower constitutes making a new machinegun. Don’t ask me how that logic works, but that’s the official ruling.

          • hikerguy

            I don’t think anyone has ever implied that the ATF is logical. πŸ™‚

          • iksnilol

            So separately they are only one MG, together they are two?

            From what I know about the ATF that makes sense.

          • Cymond

            I think the MG34 upper might actually be a Title 1 firearm. Arguably, the full-auto AR lower is acting as a “conversion kit’ on the MG34 receiver.

            Of course, that doesn’t make sense. That would make it illegal to install a registered full-auto sear or trigger pack into a semi-auto rifle (like a FNC or MP5). As he said, ATF isn’t logical.

  • Swarf

    Vaporware.

    Kel-Tec doesn’t make actual guns.

    • Cal S.

      It took me months to find one local. Then I found Slickguns.

      • KestrelBike

        I’ve seen *one* P2000 out in the wild, Gen 1, Beretta mags (eww) $600.

        • Swarf

          I’ve filled almost all of my gun needs and many of my wants, but I really want a PMR30…

          Or something just like it areyoulisteningRuger?!

        • Kjk

          What’s wrong with beretta mags? Inexpensive, plentiful, reliable

          • WRBuchanan

            Glock mags are more plentiful, more reliable, cheaper and come in 33 round versions. Plus that Glock Pistols are more plentiful as well.
            My S2K is a .40 Glock and I have a bunch of mags for it because it shares mags with my G35. with both of those guns I can dump a bunch of firepower on a given target.
            If you haven’t shot one of these guns you really need to get ahold of one and go have at it. You’ll hooked after the first Magazine!
            Fire power, superior accuracy to a pistol, 4 lbs, and they fold in half!
            What more could you want.
            Randy

  • Is this another tease by Kel-Tec, showing off a gun we’ll never see in the wild? I don’t quite get the Kel-Tec business model, is it to make cool looking stuff for T&E and never put it in production all in the hopes of selling more of the PF9 and P-11?

    • They are definitely making them and shipping them out—-

      • Swarf

        Piffle.

    • charlesrhamilton

      I’ve got one. They are indeed real.

    • WRBuchanan

      If you knew where to look for them you wouldn’t have that problem.
      The guns are out there and more coming everyday. Very High Demand and KT is running 24/7.
      Try B&H Gunrack in Florida. They are 8 miles from the factory.
      Randy

      • Really? Kel-Tec is running three productions shifts? You now, that’s what 24×7 means.

  • Sid

    Will there be a .45 version that accepts G211 mgs?

    • WRBuchanan

      NO Never! The hinge can’t take the extra bolt thrust. I got that directly from the Designer of the gun and Owner of KT.
      Randy

      • IksniloΓΈ

        Uh, you do know that .45 ACP has less bolt thrust than 9×19?

        It is more likely they ‘d need a new frame to accommodate the larger magazines. Considering their low production numbers it is easy to see why they don’t bother with it.

  • BlueMarlin Blues

    This is the first TFB video I have watched that didn’t have an excruciatingly awkward host/hosts

  • GreatScott

    Thanks for the review, TFB

  • Cal S.

    Yano, I have a real hard time trusting companies that don’t print prices. Just seems shady to me.

    • Turner

      I don’t blame you. I only bought my sub 2k from them after a buddy got his. But, if you feel like trusting a complete stranger on the internet, I had a painless experience dealing with them. I bought the sub 2k and two factory 30 round mags for about $470.

      • Cal S.

        That seems like a pretty reasonable deal! I got mine for $399 at a local gun store. Probably was the same after taxes.

    • Cymond

      Do a websearch on ‘minimum advertised price’. It’s fairly common. I’ve seen it on small niche shops like SilencerShop and large stores like MidwayUSA.

  • James R.

    Great observation. I didn’t think of that.

  • hikerguy

    I think James was quite taken with how it opened and took down, LOL. Great review for this unusual take-down weapon. As James said, it would be a great truck gun, a back packer’s gun, or any other situation that you need a small, compact firearm. Using an easy to find and buy magazine is a plus. Just hope that Kel-Tec can ramp up the production to meet needs. It seems that they listened to suggestions from their customers on how to improve the gun when they decided to do an update. Kudos to Kel-Tec.

    • gunsandrockets

      Compact and lightweight. Good combo.

    • James R.

      Hahaha, just try it, you won’t be able to stop.

  • Squirreltakular

    The Glock mag Sub 2000 I picked up for $400 will always be one of my favorite purchases, but I’d trade up for a Gen 2.

  • gunsandrockets

    Ejection pattern looks marginal for left handed shooting. Might want to add a case deflector.

  • thedonn007

    I had the first version a few years ago. Someone wanted to pay me a lot more money then I paid for it, so I sold it.
    It would be nice if someone could make a side folding version of a pistol caliber carbine like this to better accomodate a red dot or optic.

  • stephen

    Suppressor on a Kel Tec?

    Lipstick on a pig IMO.

    • Tothe

      But a QUIETER pig.

  • Sianmink

    worse comes to worse and there’s not enough clearance for some reason you could always stick one on an mlok rail.

  • Sianmink

    Never mind trunk gun, this thing will fit in a messenger bag.

    • noob

      With the advent of the modern 9mm carbines like kel-tec, the tresna defense 9mm, the mech tec, the just right carbine, the JP GMR, the beretta storm, and of course the venerable hi point would there be a market for slow burning 9mm loads optimized for longer barrels that would still cycle in a pistol? “9mm parabellum for carbines” on the box in big red letters?

  • Tom

    Not sure why they could not have it fold along the horizontal rather than vertical axis thus permitting the attachment of scopes and foregrips/lights.

    • noob

      I can see the elegance of hiding the locking mechanism inside the trigger guard instead of making a big wart on the right side for the lock and another big wart on the left for the hinge.

      That neat little trigger guard lock was probably a clever decision made in the days before optics were as good as they are now. It is somewhat a missed opportunity to get it modernised for gen2. I guess we will either need to wait for gen3 or see if a side folder takedown rifle is different enough for another company to get away with making it without running afoul of patents.

  • iksnilol

    Would it be possible to attach one to some sort of flip mount? Y’know like magnifiers, just instead of a magnifier a red dot? So that you can flip it to the side when folding it away.

  • Daniel M. Ramos

    I don’t know how many of y’all are right handed (left eye dominant), but I am. In my case having a top mounted RDS or scope is a pain. Aiming systems that are offset mounted greatly increase my accuracy and reduce my time to acquire target. Personally I would rather not have to hold my weapon at a weird angle as standard practice. It just feels strange. I am glad Keltec has put some real engineering effort into updating the sub 2000. All of the extra mounting options will make life for me much easier when I finally purchase one. The sub 2000 is simply too good to pass up as a compact self defense option that surpasses the capabilities of a sidearm without adding a prohibitive amount of bulk for constant carry. Also, the ability to easily add on a suppressor is how it should have been designed in the first place. After all, how many people have had their hearing damaged after having to fire a round in a self defense situation? In my opinion a can makes a horrible situation a little less destructive. At least when you are in court explaining the situation to the judge you will be able to hear him. πŸ˜‰

    Sic semper tyrannis!

  • tenmillimeter

    I’ve wanted a side folding version of this for years to accommodate an optic. Too bad, not yet.

  • richard kluesek

    Should have had the grip configured for Glock 19 magazines, then it could deploy both and more choices, plus the profile would be reduced about an inch by a trimmed grip.

    • Tothe

      I wonder how well that could be done by a patient dremel user?

      • richard kluesek

        Tothe, a couple of guys at my gun club, one a cop who packs a ’19 duty arm, have done this. The cop just chopped the mag well, crude, but it works for a trunk emergency gun. The other guy sent it out to a ‘smith who does Glock grip reductions with a heat gun and a dremel and the mag well was shaped for ’19 magazines with a +2 shot base plate extension to “blend” into the grip profile. Regular magazines and ’17 magazines worked well too. KelTec is only interested in production,not so much accessories and customizing, so do it yourself….

        • Tothe

          Measure thrice, cut once, clean up with care… I think I could manage that.

  • Tothe

    Anyone with a Gen1 upgrading to a gen2? I’ll buy your old one πŸ˜€

  • TnvPatriot

    Nathan and James are pretty legit, keep it up guys!