What Animals Hear From Suppressed Firearms

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Now here is something that I did not know I wanted to know. This video, courtesy of Lone Star Boars (YouTube channel here), showcases the noise of gunshots from suppressed weapons at the targets point of view including hits and misses (the report of the firearm only). Calibers included in the test include 6.8 SPC, 300 BLK, .45 ACP, and the ol’ stand-by: 5.56.

The subsonic weapons are particularly impressive, especially considering the energy in the .45 ACP.



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • TheNotoriousIUD

    Dudes got some pretty sweet guns.

    • hikerguy

      No doubt. Wouldn’t mind having one like .300 BLK or the .45 carbine. Never mind, Christmas is coming.

      • Budogunner

        .45ACP or 9mm carbine would be cheaper and fun, but .300 BLK is stupid quiet and turns heads at the range. Of course, .300 BLK has ammo cost issues.

        Right now, I think the most fun way to get into NFA would be a suppressed scorpion Evo III. SBRing optional, but recommended after meeting 922 (r) compliance. If I didn’t already have an MP5 clone that is probably what I would go for.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    I’ll just file this under NOT F¥#KING HELPING.

    – using dead game as a target… Oh that’s classy :/
    – misleading unuseful results, you cannot use a video camera mic to determine he things sound at all. Peak impulse, duration, tone, relative volume, sensitivity area, etc, none of it is actually useful using a camera mic and then playing back on infinite possibilities of speakers. It’s literally a waste of time. It would have been just as effective to go slap the ground and fire guns into the air
    – camo vehicle parked in the middle of a field, overweight and out of breathe every clip start, great image

    Nathan I would have THOUGHT perhaps you might have some better judgment seeing the guy using dead animals as targets. Wtf. Do you think that using TFB’s SEO, this a good video to pull up when a state legislator or game warden is researching if silencers should be allowed for hunting or not?

    In this instance I’m confused how this guy thought that was good imaging, then how you did, then how someone approved it. It’s dead, and We don’t care. But that’s doesn’t make it even remotely a good idea.

    Gun owners are so often their own worst enemies. I’m not saying don’t do the things you want, just have some awareness that the older gun crowd is dying out and “the new gun owner” is going to be much less hard core conservative. Don’t alienate people if you really don’t have to.

    • BattleshipGrey

      This may not be the most scientific video made on suppressor sounds, but it doesn’t seem as bad as you make it sound. Even with a crappy camera microphone, it still shows that suppressors don’t completely silence a firearm.

      As far as shooting an animal carcass, sure, some people will be offended as always, but Myth Busters and others have been doing this for years. He was going for some realism with what he had available to him.

      Personal attacks never contribute well to the conversation. I think overall you have valid points about the sound recording, but leave the guy’s physical condition alone.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        There is a difference in using an animal carcas bought from a butcher used in a fairly scientific and respectful manner, and using an animal you killed and left in a field as a target.

        Again, I personally don’t care, but if you can’t tell the difference from an imaging point of view, I don’t know how to explain it to you.

        • Will P.

          What is the difference between a wild hog and one he would buy from the butcher? Should he have shaved the hog first before he shot it, that is basically the only thing different. I agree it’s not the best representation, a ballistics block or something might have been better. But he’s just a hog hunter showing off his toys basically and making a video he thought was fun and cool, sorry he didn’t put your feelings in mind beforehand. But I don’t see why this looks so horrible to you, many hog hunters leave the carcasses where they lay anyway because they are such a problem and DNR is ok with it(here in GA at least).

          • iksnilol

            Because maybe… just maybe, it hurts our image? Consider the layperson.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Thank you for illustrating that some people won’t get it.

    • M.M.D.C.

      I understand your concern, but it’s really all about the guns. If overweight, out-of-breath dudes taking shots at carcasses were objectionable to “those guys” then Michael Moore would surely be a target. It really doesn’t matter how smart, well-spoken of well dressed we are, as long as we have “thethingsthatmustnotbetolerated” we’ll be hated.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        There is some truth you aren’t going to win over hardcore haters, of course, and I’m not suggesting anyone try. But did I mention them? No. I specifically mentioned people you could have on your side of you weren’t busy figuratively shooting yourself in the foot – for no actual gain.

        Make a stereotypical redneck video, please a couple of people. Make a stereotypical redneck video, push away hundreds of people who now have a clear reinforced narrative of “your” people using “your toys”.

        There is only harm videos like this can do. Answer my question to Nathan about a state legislator seeing this video while considering about silencer laws.

        • M.M.D.C.

          There isn’t any reason to get all rhetorical on me. We’re on the same side.

          Anyway, this is not a political site and I engaged in a political discussion. My bad.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            I don’t think there is anything political about how it’s trashy to use animals killed for game control as further targets for an unscientific and flawed youtube video.

          • Don

            So you personally know this hunter and you know that he cares one iota about politics or about PETA or the whole gun rights movement? Wake up my friend, not every individual who owns a firearm cares about any of the above. Or cares what you think…

            See, you are a perfect example of what is so wrong in America these days… You think that anyone who does not have your views or who does not think like you do is wrong. You hop on sites like this and you chastise people by calling them names as if you are on some moral high horse. Wake up and take the video for what it is… A man was inquisitive about something so he decided to answer his own question using the best knowledge and tools he had on hand.

            And if you think TFB was so immoral for posting it, quit coming on this site. Problem solved…

        • john huscio

          Most of “those people” who watched and concluded that the video maker was a “gun toting hick” came into the video thinking that and the chances of them actually reassessing how they think about certain people and lifestyles was extremely low to begin with. A great many People will remain entrenched in their prejudices no matter what information they are presented with……anyways I doubt this is the kind of video “new shooters” or at least anyone just getting into firearms would actually care about……Colion noir, MAC, or :gag: nutnfancy are gonna be the channels/people they’ll be paying attention to….

    • imachinegunstuff

      Agreed even if he’s running a sophisticated boom system and sound recording device we couldn’t tell what the animal heard. TFB is pretty terrible when it comes to hunting, or anything involving aniamls from the looks of Alex C’s hog ‘hunting’ trips.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        The right way to do this video would be a sound meter at the location with a backstop that simulated game. A db rating is not actually perceived sound, but it could be used at least as a relative comparison. For instance, it’s 130db at the impact, and so is a loud clap or a car door slamming. It’s the best you can do without being there. More important would be that at 300y from the target the crack is nearly just as loud to a mic as non-suppressed, so you could show that the immediate hearing damage to the shooter is reduced, but the long range report still carries. Something that would discredit the idea that poachers will exploit silencers – an argument I saw come up a lot when my state was debating legalizing hunting with silencers.

        Or… You know… just camo up and plug holes into a carcass watched by a cheap camcorder mic.

        • Will P.

          Because everyone that posts up a YouTube video about guns or suppressors just happens to have that type of multi-thousand dollar equipment just laying around. Hell you can prob just pick up all that at the flea market right??

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Ah… So sort of like… “Well, I don’t have a good idea on how to educate the public about the merits of open carry, and reaching a lot people is outside of my means…. So I guess I’ll just sling this AR to Chipotle!”

            Because if you can’t do something right… Best to just half-ass it in a trashy and alienating way.

          • Will P.

            That is completely different in my thoughts, I despise the mall ninjas that run around everywhere puffing thier chest and carrying long guns everywhere. I don’t see this as near as bad. This is not being forced down peoples throats, this is not flaunting his rights around alienating people around him. I’m sure PETA would have a hayday with this. But just because he probably can’t afford equipment, and wants to show off his toys I just really don’t see what the problem is, if you just stumbled on this video and didn’t see it on TFB would your opinion be the same? He didn’t make his video to be published everywhere and represent the entire gun community in front of Congress. I’m just saying he’s not endorsed, or sponsored from what I can tell so why are you being so critical.

    • Rich Guy

      Just going to leave this here on TFB’s resident annoyance.

  • J E

    And if we had a audio spectrograph with the appropriate frequency ranges for certain animals listed this might have approached usefulness. Not all animals hear in the same frequency ranges as humans — and some suppressors purposely frequency shift the sound out of HUMAN ranges – but they may still be very loud in your prey’s frequency range.

    • Salty Nuts

      exactly!

  • JumpIf NotZero

    There is a difference between being unapologetic, and being self-destructive.

    This is the latter.

  • Salty Nuts

    BAD TASTE shooting the carcass like that, I mean wtf was that. Bad imaging for hunters and gun owners not to mention useless in proving the supposed point of what do ANIMALS hear. For one thing, every different type of animal has a unique sense of hearing.

    • Don

      So tell us… How smart is this guy? Does he have enough of an education to know what you state? Does he even care about politics or anyone’s gun rights? Get off your high horse and take the video for what it is, if you don’t like it don’t watch it.

      • Salty Nuts

        What high horse. I can’t have an opinion?

      • Salty Nuts

        This is the comment section, where people air their opinion. In my opinion, this video is below the standards I wish that TFB would uphold. But I guess it is what it is, TFB that is. To commenters here who tell other commenters to shut up, maybe you should let the moderators do their job.

  • Dan

    I’m going to have to side with JumpifNotZero. While most “antis” will always hate us regardless of how we try to polish our image, videos like this turn people on the fence, away from us. Wild hogs whether a pest or not are an animal and not all gun owners are hunters or agree with hunting(like my 79yo mother) So when they see bubba in a field poking holes through a dead animal they tend to turn their noses up at us. Especially since I’m sure there are others who give this man praise. I don’t care if he wants to do this just don’t post it where it can be used against us.

  • smartacus

    That 6.8 hit almost as hard as the .45 carb

  • shooter2009

    Who cares what the animal hears?

    The hunter? Why? The hunter just cares if he hits or misses.

  • Jerry Casaday

    If noise reduction is your goal, then the combination of sound/flash supressor plus the selection (or handloading) of a caliber to subsonic speed (less than 1100fps, right?) would seem to suit the purpose. Some calibers, like the .45ACP or the old .45 Long Colt, are already under the speed of sound and are still really loud. My next project…a varmint rifle in .204 Ruger with loads around 4000fps and a supressor about as big as the scope (think Hubble).