India To Adopt Indigenous Rifle Design To Replace Troubled INSAS

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On the heels of the formal cancellation of the Indian rifle tender that would have selected a foreign arm to replace the problematic indigenous INSAS rifle, the Indian government has announced they will proceed with a newly announced home-grown development, the brightly-named “Excalibur” rifle, the Daily Mail reports:

The Indian Army has decided to go for an indigenous assault rifle to replace the problematic INSAS rifles.

The decision that could save thousands of crores in foreign exchange and boost local manufacture was taken recently by Army Chief General Dalbir Singh.

The Army then cancelled a problematic Rs 4,848 crore order for importing Multi Caliber Assault Rifles on June 15 — first reported by Mail Today on July 1.

An OFB officer with the indigenous Excalibur 5.56mm assault rifle. If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two year

An OFB officer with the indigenous Excalibur 5.56mm assault rifle. If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two year

“We are going in for a designed and Made in India rifle in keeping with the government’s indigenisation thrusts,” senior Army sources told Mail Today.

The performance of the DRDO-designed ‘Excalibur’ assault rifle in trials last month at the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE) in Pune has further enthused the Army.

The Excalibur had only two stoppages (where the bullet gets stuck in the breech) after 24,000 rounds were fired, close to the Army’s specifications of only one stoppage.

New features 

The Excalibur is an improved version of the INSAS rifle and fires 5.56×45 mm ammunition. It has full-automatic capability over the INSAS which can only fire a three-round burst.

The Excalibur barrel is shorter by 4 mm, has a side folding butt stock and features a Picatinny rail, a universal mount that allows a range of weapon sights and sensors to be fitted on the rifle.

DRDO officials say it will take the OFB’s Rifle Factory Ishapore at least eight months to incorporate design changes suggested by the ARDE and field the first prototypes of what they are calling the ‘Modified INSAS Rifle’ (MIR).

Changes suggested after trials include a smaller handguard and improved polycarbonate magazine.

If the Excalibur/MIR clears trials, it could be in the hands of infantry soldiers within two years, DRDO officials say.

The DRDO is designing a second version of the Excalibur, the AR-2 that fires 7.62×39 mm rounds used by AK-47. The AR-2 will be offered as an alternative to the Russian-origin assault rifle.

The Army’s 2011 tender was for a Multi Caliber Assault Rifle or for a weapon that could fire INSAS and AK-47 ammunition with a barrel change.

Five international firms— Beretta of Italy, Israeli Weapons Industries (IWI), Colt Defense of the U.S., Ceska Zbplojovka of Czech Republic and SiG Sauer of Switzerland—were shortlisted for the trials.

However, Army officials now admit the specifications were poorly drafted and unrealistic.

The new rifle, frankly, does not inspire much confidence. The INSAS was a highly troubled weapon due in no small part to problems in its manufacture, so one-off prototypes being more reliable doesn’t really inform about the capabilities of full-rate production items. With the somewhat slapdash looking rail mounted to the top cover, the Indians would still be without a rifle having modern optics mounting points.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Stephen Beat

    Hmmm, an ‘improved’ AK-47 is perhaps all they needed all along. Though it does look like the strange lovechild of a AK and a SIG 550 series! What a going on though. 🙁

    • MPWS

      I’d say “customized” rather than ‘improved’. You cannot make substantially better rifle than AK. Where I see potential improvement of AK is in receiver – making it stiffer and quick exchange barrel, if that is desired. That’s about all.

  • Al

    The Indians always do this, every time. They solicit foreign manufacturers, declare they’re not good enough and then cobble up a homemade committee designed disaster. They even managed to screw up an AK based design last time, something no other country has ever done.

    • Giolli Joker

      This time they had the guts to admit that the requirements were a joke to begin with… I’m sorry for the companies that keep on falling for this… they still have the hope to get in that HUGE market and they bid when they should agree for a loud f*** off.

  • Beju

    We are going in for a designed and Made in India rifle

    Well, since it worked out so well the last time…

    • Riot

      You mess up making a kalash clone you shouldn’t get a second chance.

    • John

      If it’s an actual improvement over the current INSAS, then the troops will probably love it.

      As much as I want to badmouth this gun, I’m reminded that Great Britain still uses the SA-80 A3, which is by all accounts a major improvement over the old SA-80.

      I’ve got a hunch Daniel Defense is mulling over how to make a new version of that later on, and keeping quiet.

      • Manny Fal

        And lets not forget the POS that was the M16 when first introduced primarily due to poor manufacturing.

        • Surly Old Armorer

          Ah, the old gunshop commando line of BS about the M16. How original.

          The M16’s problems had nothing to do with “poor manufacturing.” It wasn’t “poor manufacturing” that changed the specifications for the issued ammo without bothering to test its serviceability in the rifle. Nor was it “poor manufacturing” when the rifle was fielded with almost no training of users, very limited maintenance support, and not even proper cleaning equipment.

      • Scrumward bound

        SA80A2, but I’ll let it go.

    • Trond Larsen

      That’s the spirit, if you first don’t succeed, quit.

  • hythelday

    What I see in the picture:

    1) Knock-off SIG stock and see-through mags
    2) SAR 80 styled foregrip
    3) AK reciever with iron sights and a very short Weaver rail on top of dust cover

    *Improved indigenous design*

    • Azril @ Alex Vostox

      Plus H&K G3 series cocking handle.

    • hikerguy

      Indeed….

    • akash

      Who the f cares where it copies its design elements from as long as it works! If it amalgamates the best of several weapon systems and is the work of local designers and is made locally, from local materials, its indigenous. As versus you lot who seem to be nitpicking over its looks, the Indian Army I suspect will be looking hard at it for things like worldclass reliability (which INSAS couldn;t achieve), reliable production standards, accuracy, ergonomics and cost!

  • Giolli Joker

    This is my surprised face.

  • Azril @ Alex Vostox

    Kinda funny since the Indians named their rifle for their former colonial master (British) mythical weapons “Excalibur” when these day India ultra-nationalism is raging like a fire there..where anyone that doesn’t have a higher caste bloodline is not true India sons.

    • Giolli Joker

      The name choice is curious to say the least… as if India had no mythology to fish from…
      With such a name they should get Bill Alexander in the designing team…

      • Bobing

        Maybe that’s why?
        There’s surging nationalism…maybe they don’t want to step on any gurus/religious toes by naming it Indra or something.
        Though there’s possibly also an element of conservatism in the naming: if it ends up being crap after reaching mass production, they don’t have to technically wear egg on their face if it didn’t have an “Indian” name.

        • Giolli Joker

          The reason could even be that not all Indians are Hindu, I don’t know if they select recruits based on religion, but having Muslim soldiers unwilling to fire a gun named to a deity they don’t recognize maybe is a real risk.
          I can’t recall a (successful) assault rifle with a name different from an alphanumeric code or the designer’s surname… a gimmick name may help on the civilian market, for military firearms it’s laughable.

          • twitch

            It has nothing to do with religion, several machines in India have sanskrit names, this name is bizarre to the say the least.

        • akash

          Good lord the amount of speculation you guys come up.Surging nationalism, as if its any more than the red, white and blue in the US (far less in fact, because of the developing country syndrome where most people are bothered about basics like food, water and security) unless theres a war. Names are decided by the designer, committee, marketing folks. Theres no set principle for these things. The DRDO and the Armed Forces tend to follow a set policy in that their names are usually a “family”. So the IN Subs are named after Indian Ocean sharks and so forth. The DRDO’s missile families are Agni (Fire series and so forth). DRDO and OFB however never had some standard naming convention for Rifles. INSAS is nothing but an acronym so why not Excalibur.

    • kyphe

      Export market I expect, though the Indian military is very positive about it’s connection to the British due to the volume of successful actions the Indians took part in on the international stage while part of the British empire.

      • Azril @ Alex Vostox

        That seems logical to me.

    • Rock or Something

      The only reason King Author would have picked up this unfortunate yet very real version of Excalibur is because the lady of the lake threw it at him.

      • MountainKelly

        That’s not a good way to base a system of government. Soggy tarts distributing knives and such

    • John

      They could name it the Chakram. It’s the flying metal frisbee of death that Xena, Warrior Princess used in battle. It’s also a native India weapon.

      • Giolli Joker

        It’s a Sikh weapon, non Sikh soldiers might not like it.

        • twitch

          It has nothing to do with religion, several machines in India have sanskrit names.

    • twitch

      There are so many clueless people like you on this place, talking about things you have no little knowledge of.

      There is a man last election(year ago) who single handly routed the Nehru Dynasty/the Congress party, who was the main party that existed from it’s independence, and dominated Indian politics since then. Last election had one of the biggest turn outs in human history, they voted into power, get ready for this, a low caste.

    • akash

      You must be yet another loony tunes christian fundamentalist nut ranting about a country you have no fcking clue about. India’s so called nationalist PM who is regarded as the most popular in decades is “low caste”. India’s Mahar regiment (and many others besides) would gladly inform you what they think of your comments given their “low caste”. India’s most populous state has had several low caste Chief Ministers. And if you do want to bring up caste, do look up the British influence in taking the local varna/jaati system akin to the medieval area guild/clan dynamic and introducing the Portugese casta on it. Something which is such a mess no modern Indian Govt can touch it (they’d rather exploit it for vote banking).
      And FYI, India continues to name a lot of things after British (and other nation’s myths etc) same as all other countries do. Excalibur is universally popular as is the concept of Arthurian nobility and Camelot.

  • Azril @ Alex Vostox

    Apparently Mama Kalashnikov got drunk and have one night stand with stoned Papa SiG in a dark stormy night…and got pregnant with this a week later…

    • KestrelBike

      In the meantime Mama Kalash smoked crack, drank heavily, fell down the stairs every other night, took half a Plan B pill, got sliced in half by Kali and this weapon is what fell out.

  • Tom – UK

    Ding ding “The next train wreck to roll into procurement hell is the Excalibur all Indian rifle project”

    I can pretty much see the flaming ruins of this procurement already.

  • Tom – UK

    Meanwhile in Russia 17 million AK-74s (Most no doubt in excellent as new condition) simply sit there doing very little. The Indian army could simply take on a well proven caliber and rifle for which there are a wide variety of tested and proven accessories and bought that instead. But nooo they just have to have the more expensive option.

    • TVOrZ6dw

      Maybe just license the rights to produce your own copy of the AK-74M. Buy some surplus so you can field them right away, then produce your own in a year or two.

      • Giolli Joker

        Their worst enemies manufacture HK licensend G3 copies… they’ve taken a smarter route.

    • MountainKelly

      No. They must sell those to us.

  • hikerguy

    I am not surprised. Hope it turns out better than the last one they came up with.

  • MAUSERMAN

    2 points

    1. You guys have to understand currption is part of Indian society. The indigious weapon development program is more of a revenue source for the defense contractor to bleed the government for more tax dollars. If India adpot a European rifle all that no bid contract money would be gone.
    #2 Indian defense industry is a joke, mired in inefficiency and curruption. Last time Indian made a rifle that actually worked is the Lee Enfield copy. India still rely on Russia and EU to supply it with their most advanced weapons.
    How do you f*** up a AK improvement rifle is beyond me, I wonder did the Indian hire monkeys from century arms to make their rifle? Because if I remember correctly my first AK is wasr10 from century and it is basically put together by planet of the apes gunsmith.

    • john huscio

      Actually century really stepped up their build game in the last couple years. More than likely their rifles are light years better than the clueless goofs at ishapore are producing…. If they gave the contract to century for WASR 10/63s, it would be a huge improvement over what they have now.

      • MAUSERMAN

        I have heard that. Hope it is true. Maybe I am right afterall. They (century) fired the monkies that made their wasr, tantal, and cetme and send them to India.

    • MountainKelly

      They built an ssbn. Whether it sinks is another story

      • El Duderino

        I think the boys from “Swamp People” could probably take on the Indian Navy and come out on top.

      • MAUSERMAN

        Just hope it does not explode and contaminate half of the ocean. I like my sushi fresh and not glowing green radiated.

    • twitch

      Yeah, there’s corruption alright. More with foreign companies giving kick backs to corrupt generals than with DRDO.

      And even with India being a third world country, and it’s R&D budget being significantly smaller than most countries with advanced military industries, it’s military industry is doing some amazing stuff.

      From SSBNs with it’s SLBMs to exoatmospheric kill vehicles are being developted with in the country.

      • MAUSERMAN

        That is a boat load of excuses.
        #9 in military budget spending in the world is “not” smaller than most countries. It spends more than Germany, Turkey, Spain.

        Also SSBN is nothing new China had it 40 years ago. And Indian Ssbn is still not fully operational until end of 2015, at least they hope.

        Still does not explain why they can’t make a fighter jet that works, or a AK variant rifle that shoots.

        • twitch

          Really? Yes, an SSBN and it’s SLBMs, screw an AK. No one cares what China had 40 years ago, most of this planet doesnt have it. And most of it’s military budget goes to the up keep and employment it’s million+ man force, and purchase of new equipment, NOT R&D to produce weaponry. That budget is a total joke and manages to have a diverse line up.

          The fighter jet just hit series production, and will reach FOC in march.

          What AK variant rifle that doesnt shoots? INSAS? Did you read the article? It just approved a variant of an INSAS after trialing and will hit production. It passed trials from the army itself.

          And there’s an outright copy of the AK that just hit production as well.

          • MAUSERMAN

            Lol, hit a nerve did we? First of all having it don’t mean jack squat. When you have 40 years of safe operational record then come talk to me. Besides like every homemade weapons India has its gonna fail or have major problems

            #2 that HAL Tejas fighter is a joke. Good job India making a delta wing mirage 1970 fighter in 2015.
            Its underpowered and outdated 10 years ago. Not to mention if India is so in love with Tejas why buy so many rafale fighter from France? Oh and keep on buying Su30s and MiG29 from Russia. That’s right after spending billions on the Tejas gotta save face by putting some in service, even though its a total turkey.
            #3 oh hey congrat you can make AK knockoff!! You finally reach the skill level of a khyber pass gunsmith (err blacksmith).

            Pleasr don’t dig any deeper. Everyone knows Indian defense industry is a joke.

          • twitch

            What nerve, I’ll keep correcting people like you that dont know what they’re talking about.

            Tejas is the lowest tier of the IAF, by no means will it penetrate enemy air space like MKIs, Rafales, or FGFAs. It’s job is as a point interceptor, backing the likes of those named planes. And it’s in production, with FOC in march. So your original argument of a jet fighter that works, is void, and as if designing, testing/validating, and inducting a fighter jet is some how easy for any industy to do to being with.

            And you said, India couldnt make an AK that works. Again, they have an outright copy that passed trials and is in production, so is this Ex-INSAS. Another of your stupid comments void.

            And mentioned wasting ‘billions’ on the Tejas project. I want you to actually go and find the Tejas programs budget and compare it to other fighter jet program budgets. You’ll find miscellaneous US military programs having more than Tejas program’s. Mind you, Tejas program’s budget doesnt include just the designing, and development of the prototypes, but also the aerospace infrastructure that had to be created within a third world industry that only assembled before.

            And Indian industry is fine for what it is. And yes, SSBNs, it’s own SLBMs, attack helicopters, jet fighters, awacs system, etc, etc. are being produced out of a third world countries, with a defence R&D budget that’s a joke compared to others. What China did 40 years ago was a feat, so is what India is doing now.

          • MAUSERMAN

            Making a 40 year old fighter jet that works should be a easy process except for thr Indians.

            I didn’t say their AK didn’t work all I said is they achieved the same level as a Pakistani blacksmith which is pathetic.

            Stop crying about the military budget do your research #9 in the world is not small. Oh that got me wondering if India is such a 3rd world country why aren’t they spending more of that money on improving average Indians life anyway???

            Finally Indian defense industry is a joke and will continue to be. Keep buying expensive imported hardware fROM Russia, Europe, and US get a nice mix of arms and keep your people poor.

          • twitch

            What’s 40 years old? Again you talk about things you have no clue about. That 30+ year figure is the founding of the ADA, the aerospace R&D wing of DRDO, which heads LCA. The project got full funding in the early 1990s. India was dead broke at the time, and also faced sanctions, which pegged the program. Doesnt matter now, because like I said, it’s in production, with FOC in March.

            You keep stating it’s budget is #9, great much of that is going to salaries of a million+ man army, pensions, up keep of current machines, and modernization, R&D is a very, very small fraction. Go find the actual allocation, then come back to me.

            And you talk about poverty, India spends around 2.3% of it’s GDP on it’s military, which is average, even with land borders to potential hostiles. Go find what it spends on building infrastructure, social welfare, among other things, then come back.

            And as far as it’s military industry is concerned, it’s by no means perfect, but it’s still producing aircraft carriers, SSBNs, to cruise missiles, anti ballistic missile interceptors, nuclear tipped MRIV ICBMs to multi caliber rifles. All off of a hamstring R&D budget or culture compared to it’s counter parts.

          • MAUSERMAN

            LOL dude you are so pathetic and funny, as if posting tons of propganda picture makes your point lol.

            Hey news flash, Indian military is a joke, its military industrial complex is a joke, and the Indian people are currupt, it ain’t gonna get better.

            Feel free to keep posting just makes you look more pathetic and desprate.

          • akash

            You can’t even spell propaganda & you are calling the other guy desperate. Its corrupt, not currupt. And calling an entire people currupt (sic.) just proves you are nothing better than an uneducated knuckle dragging racist whose mother would have been better off shoving you down a trashcan. The Indian military is a far sight better than you’ll ever be, so shove it.

          • MAUSERMAN

            Yes, that’s right little man. I love this keep on reading you will love it.
            I am pretty sure you know all about shoving babies down trashcans. Isn’t that the reason why there are so many Indian rapists? Because there aren’t enough girls?
            Oh wait, that might not be the entire reason, maybe because Indians are sh!tty people with a sh!tty rape culture.
            By the way you know who your father is? Might wanna ask mommy.
            Indian military is a joke nothing you say will change that. Have fun goose stepping at the border crossing, that’s about all Indian military is good for.

          • twitch

            I thought my English was bad, but you take the cake. I just hope English isn’t your first language. XD

          • MAUSERMAN

            Nope.

          • untwitch

            Gotta agree with MM about the pathetic state of Indian military industry.
            I’m not even going to bother looking up half your pictorial “proofs”, because the other half that I’m aware of are Russian/Western tech with an Indian flag painted over it.
            Tejas engine Indian? Made by General Electric. So apparently not.
            Hey isn’t that a Russian radar atop the Indian Navy ship?
            Since India doesn’t even have a semiconductor fabrication capability, I can hardly blame them for procuring electronics off-shore.
            I’m not sure why you included a picture of a Eurocopter EC-145, oh wait a minute, that’s the “Indian” Dhruv knock-off of the EC-145, that Indians couldn’t sell abroad until it begged Europe to relax technology restrictions.

          • twitch

            Tejas has an GE engine? Great, so does SAAB with their Gripen, which is a world renowned Swedish jet fighter. If SAAB aerospace, which has generations of aerospace experience can fit a reliable outsourced design engine onto their jet, please tell me why this is somehow a penalty against India?

            Dhruv isnt a Eurocopter EC145, go look at the dimensions before comparing.

            And Indian defence industry is at it’s infancy, I didnt say it’s perfect. US, Russians, started many programs by copying, reworking, or sourcing some parts from outside when their industries were just beginning. India is following a pattern that’s no different.

          • akash

            What nerve? Your poorly phrased posts show you are an undereducated hick trying to troll on the internet. 40 years of safe operational record? What are you talking of? Don’t see a single item that we have from Russia or elsewhere that’s on those lines. Ok ok stuff that’s about it. Less said about Chinese knockoffs the better.
            As regards Tejas, its a far sight better than all the rubbish we have (most of it ex FSU) and only an imbecile would compare a $100Mn Rafale and $80Mn Su-30 to a $25Mn Tejas. Congrats, you did it.

    • akash

      Utter crap. There is no money to be made from INSAS since its a local rifle sold at low margins back to the MOD. Its issues have not been corruption but so so build standards since the OFB didn’t have private competition and are unionized. Second, Indian defense industry is a “joke”, sure they can launch an Agni which your lot can’t make even if they wanted to. Given you rely on Uncle Sam’s protection.

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    That thing is butt-ugly but at least they got rid of the fake plastic wood furniture so their guns don’t look like a 1982 AMC Eagle Wagon.

  • iksnilol

    “Have I ever told you the definition of… insanity?”

    • Rock or Something

      Only if they are expecting different results.

  • Vitsaus

    It just has to be better than what Pakistan is issuing.

    • Giolli Joker

      Pakistan Army issues well proven designs from foreign suppliers or Pakistani made (POF) HK licensed G3 copies.
      I’d say the challenge for this new assault rifle won’t be that easy.

  • UnrepentantLib

    Sounds like they cleaned up a some of the issues with the INSAS design. The real question, though, is will they clean up the craftsmanship and quality control problems at the factory.

  • kev

    The Indian defence industry has expressed a desire to compete with china on the globalmarket yet they cannot get their own rife to work, I knew this would happen, it would look embarrassing if a foreign weapon won over indigenous efforts so thanks to corruption and other factors the men and women of the Indian armed forces who deserve a good weapon they are proud of bear the burden…

  • Lance

    Looks like India’s coping the SiG-552.

    • No, it doesn’t.

      • Giolli Joker

        Well, it may look. But it isn’t.

  • They should just license tavor production and be done with that.

    • Giolli Joker

      Would they qualify for the license?
      I don’t think IWI would grant it to anybody.
      And it would still be a foreign design.

      • I believe IWI is quite friendly towards the notion of licensed production much like HK in the 80’s. Ukraine and Thailand are already producing their own licensed models I believe. Yes, its a foreign design but if the Israelis are generous with technology transfers and manufacturing licenses I think it will go a long way. After all, the main objection to foreign firearms is that the army is dependent on imports to arm itself. If there are licensed factories in their own country, generals tend to feel much better about it

        • Giolli Joker

          I understand your reasoning, what I mean is that to give somebody license to manufacture you probably want them to satisfy some quality requirements to make sure that your product won’t be turned into crap.
          So far it seems that the Indian firearm manufacturing facilities are well below those standards.

          • True, but the Pakistanis seem to be capable of creating perfectly good licensed HK. I think that the main problem with INSAS is the terrible design that they mangle by trying ti indigenize a Kalashnikov rather than a fundamental inability to machine small arms. With Israeli machine tooling and a few IWI advisors they should be fine.

          • Manny Fal

            Forget Tavor, a Galil Ace would be the best option adopted by Peru, Vietnam and Columbia.

          • Giolli Joker

            I agree, it’s easier to implement its industrialization. It’s still ColOmbia, though.

          • Giolli Joker

            I work in the Middle East, mostly with Indian workforce.
            I know quite well their approach, and adding the political influence on this very field I’m very skeptical that they coul change those factories to make them able to manufacture a good licensed copy of… anything.

    • I believe there is an Indian Special Forces unit that uses Tavors. I doubt they’re licence built, as the required numbers for an SF contract even in an overcrowded place like India wouldn’t be very big.

  • john huscio

    This is gonna suck…

  • UnrepentantLib

    If I may be so bold as to suggest the next step should be to drop the HK style cocking handle, go back to the original fixed AK handle, and plagiarize any of the numerous AK after market fore ends with rails.

  • Nimrod

    India just needs to buy some AR kits from PSA and make their own rifles. They’d still be better off than the junk they currently make.

  • 6.5x55Swedish

    I find it rather interesting that they only shorten the length of the barrel by 4mm (0.157480315 inches (my god will start using metrics soon?)). Why even bother, it seem like a lot of cost for very little gain, unless the barrel length itself is one of the things causing reliability issues?

  • AldanFerrox

    India already makes licensed copies of the Tavor in-country (mainly for the Special Forces). Maybe they should ramp up the production to replace all INSAS rifles.

    • Aimz

      That would be exorbitantly expensive, not to mention that making a handful of rifles is not nearly as hard as making enough to replace all INSAS rifles. Indian quality control is probably worse than that of Chinese made goods…

  • Aimz

    Man, these Indians and their corruption…at times, they do put the Pakistanis to shame. Then again, Pakistan’s government has either been dominated or heavily influenced by the Pak military, so weapons procurement takes place with much more ease. With India, there is little collaboration between the military and the politicians….the military will lay out certain requirements, and many times, it will fall onto deaf ears.

    I’m very sure the Indian military would LOVE to get Tavors, new AKs, etc. But it’s the politicians in the end who make the decisions…

    • Manny Fal

      Napoleon said “The military is the true nobility of a country”, no wonder the Sikhs are pissed and want to secede.

    • RicoSuave

      The Pakistanis have more experience with using AK style weapons in urban situations given their escapades in India, as with the Mumbai Taj Hotel attack. They know the value of a good assault rifle. India buys the expensive fighter planes and submarines but cannot seem to figure out a decent rifle for their military.

      • Aimz

        Quite untrue, at least the whole ‘escapades in India’ part. Take a look at just about everything the Pakistanis have inducted into their arsenal…from their fighter aircraft, to tanks, submarines, etc. Each weapon system they have inducted or produced (either indigneously or with foreign assistance) is cost effective and easy to maintain. Most of the military equipment that Pakistan has is ready to be used at a moment’s notice.

        Now look at the Indian military. They pretty much buy up entire loads of equipment with very little foresight on how they will maintain it. It’s no secret that India’s top of the line Su-30 aircraft for example have a readiness of less than 55%, that 70% of India’s Arjun tank fleet does not have necessary spare parts and therefore inoperable, and India has tried for years to upgrade it’s artillery to 155 mm guns, but was mired in corruption.

        Fact is that the Indians can afford to make ridiculously expensive mistakes and be fine with it….they simply have loads of money. Pakistan on the other hand has to beg and borrow everything, so making a mistake on procurement can have huge consequences. That’s the difference between Pakistan’s and India’s mentality.

        • RicoSuave

          The difference is because Pakistan for most of its existence had military officers as its leaders/dictators who were experienced in warfare and a burning hate for all things Indian. They had a practical sense in the weapons that they wanted and the current move to terrorist strikes in India have seen them become more adept at rapid deployment of small well armed groups of attackers. India on the other hand has been mired in the old large army mentality of 50 years ago. None of the Indian leaders have had any military experience, much less even picked up a gun. As you said, buying weapon systems is more about who gives them the biggest bribes, as with the Bofors case.

  • Victor Lourenço

    Literally the only country in the world to mess up while trying to make a copy of the Kalashnikov, even illiterate farmers from the Khyber Pass dish out better copies than the INSAS.

  • MountainKelly

    Love how the insas looks but… I don’t trust Indian industry. The Arjun and troubled naval acquisitions programs are pretty terrifying

  • Tsubaka

    So why they reduce the barrel length exactly? It’s seems to be the same compensator as the INSAS
    Also the rail looks to small

  • El Duderino

    So…SIG 550 ripoff? Looks pretty close from the outside. What’s with the little gold rail at the top? Very Mexican drug lord.

  • n0truscotsman

    hmmm, it seems buying a large number of Romanian AKs would have been a far superior option than the INSAS…for a much cheaper price.

  • twitch

    Ex-INSAS will be in production, until MCIWS will be out of prototype testing and into army trials.

  • Zebra Dun

    An improved INSA rifle sounds hope full.
    But stupid.
    In this case I’d tell India to go with the AK-74 or simply buy M-16/M-4’s.

  • sudip mondal

    “You makes a calas clone”.sar ,raju Srivastab earlier looks like a amithava bachhan, that means he was amithava clone, actual fact is ,in tow has big difference. There is no comparison, but raju is great actor of his one character. Ak fair 7.62 round but insad:fire 5.56 round that means inner parts, barrel, magazines all are different , then how the rifle is a clone of a ak47

    • Marcus Toroian

      There are Russian, Bulgarian, Polish, Finnish, Yugoslavian/Serbian, Romanian, Chinese, Israeli and American AKs made in 5.56, and they are still Kalashnikovs. The caliber has nothing to do with the type of action and design origin of a firearm. That’s like saying the AK-74 is not an AK because it is not 7.62×39. The INSAS and Excalibur are AK-derived copies. There is no question about it. I’d bet a few parts are even interchangeable.

      • Scott P

        No American 5.56 AK’s exist unless you are talking about the DIY’ers in their garages/basements modifying their 5.45 AK parts kits to 5.56. 5.56 AK’s are more neglected than 5.45 AK’s in the U.S.