Larry Vickers Bans AIWB Carry in His Classes

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LAV is an exception. He is a celebrity and generally I choose to ignore celebrities. However, not everyone has LAV’s impressive resume and now long teaching career. As such, I am inclined to listen to him.

Larry Vickers has announced that all AIWB holsters are officially banned in his classes. He makes his case in a Facebook post. Now, he does not denouce AIWB carry, but his common-sense argument to ban it in his classes is compelling.

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What do you think? Sound off in the comments below:



Nathan S.

One of TFB’s resident Jarheads, Nathan now works within the firearms industry. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSR’s, & high-speed gear. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs.

Nathan can be reached at Nathan.S@TheFirearmBlog.com

The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization.


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  • HH

    his class. his rules. end of story. people that dont like it can easily find another class.

    • markej4801

      Exactly. If you don’t want to live by the rules of the class, you don’t take the class. This doesn’t mean you have to agree with them, you just need to live by them WHILE YOU ARE IN THE CLASS. The moment you leave, you are once again on your own to do as you please.

    • Ken

      Yes, but America has turned into the land of “You’ve offended me, so now you must cater to my every whim”. It’s sad, but true. I’m sure there have been several people already asking for special treatment to allow them to carry AIWB for the class.

  • Sounds reasonable enough. Appendix carry always seemed a bit dangerous to me

    • Cal S.

      Appendix carry is perfect! If you don’t plan on sitting down or walking up stairs….

  • Steven W. Wilgus

    Bottom line is that gear demands proficiency. The fact is, Negligent Discharges are a result of an error. That equipment can be a contributing factor to such is also fact. So in safety, Mr. Vickers is completely appropriate. I would do exactly the same.

  • Swarf

    I agree with all his points, including “when you’re on your own, carry however you please”

    It sucks, but often times when dealing with a range of humans, you have to tailor the rules to the dumbest.

    See also: damn near every law.

    • Badwolf

      “It sucks…tailor the rules to the dumbest. See also: damn near every law.”

      Hear hear!

    • Robert Jacobo

      not the dumbest necessarily, sometimes the most inexperienced…we all have to start somewhere.

  • M.M.D.C.

    When I was a college student I hitchhiked home down the coast of SC. I caught a ride with a gospel singer driving a ’75 Matador down a stretch of two lane highway. I thought he was going to kill me; passing cars and playing chicken with oncoming traffic. He looked at terrified me and laughed. He said “Don’t worry, I’m not gonna crash. I like me.”

    This is how I look at appendix carry. People’s instinct for self-preservation is not sufficient to discourage the taking of unnecessary risks and it certainly doesn’t grantee against failure.

    • West

      I read that as a gospel singing matador and thought that quite novel.

      • Grindstone50k

        Why can’t I ever have adventures like that?

        • wclardy

          That’s the price for living very sanely.

          I met quite a few interesting people hitchhiking their way around, including some really timely ones (such as the guy who did the wrenchwork replacing a blown radiator hose off Interestate 81) and really nice ones (like the kids who paid my check when they saw me at a restaurant several months after I fed them and dropped them off a couple hundred miles closer to home than where a trucker had taken everything they had and abandoned them).
          And not a single one of them ever saw the .44 Bulldog I kept tucked under the left edge of the driver’s seat, just in case somebody needed a hard lesson in manners.

          • itsmefool

            Or if they did make you, they said nothing of it…perhaps because they couldn’t reach their .44 as easily!

  • Munson

    I’ve got no problem with it. Someone who is proficient at it would have no problem. It’s become a very popular way to carry, and many people using the method have no business using it. I won’t teach guys appendix for his same reason. Now if someone is proficient and has lots of experience, I’ll work with them on appendix. It’s not for everyone, and certainly not for the mass number of new shooters.

  • Anton Gray Basson

    I noticed he mentioned Glock and M&P line, and I can see how appendix and those two pistols with their trigger mounted safeties can lead to NDs

  • Patrick M.

    Like Larry said, he has 15-20 students per class, he can’t possibly monitoring all of them 100% of the time, and the fact of the matter is that he is responsible for the people on his range. I’m sure it would be different if it was a 1 on 1 training session but, having a large group of varrying skill levels it is not a matter of if a ND will happen its when

  • El Duderino

    Seems legit. The only handgun I’d entertain AIWB would be a double action revolver with a factory 12-14lb trigger.

  • internetmakeskidsfat

    Some of you people need to stop blaming inanimate objects for user error. The only way for someone to shoot themselves while reholstering would be to keep their finger on the trigger while doing so which happens with the inexperienced during stressful shoots and lack of training. The firearms themselves could never be the issue unless they happen to have a well used gun with degrading sear engagement. I would say that 70 percent of concealed carriers do not train regularly may it be draw and reholster drills , reloading drills , sight picture /line of sight drills ect, but yea let’s just go ahead and blame the firearm , holster , uneven ground or even the lack of concealed carry instructor oversight to ensure proper training or whatever else comes to mind instead of the inexperienced shooter on the range.

    • Sianmink

      Who is blaming equipment?
      It’s a given that AIWB carry+trigger safety pistols like the glock require a higher level of care when reholstering than other pistols. the risk of a ND is higher, and the consequences as well. A nicked femoral artery is not easy to un-nick.

    • kevinp2

      “The only way for someone to shoot themselves while reholstering would be to keep their finger on the trigger ”

      Not true. Your shirt can get into the trigger, particularly if you are not tucked in.

      • Which is why I don’t carry my Glock, and why I rarely carry my XD. I prefer guns that have either a manual safety, or a DA trigger pull (at least for the first shot, if not DAO) where I will notice any resistance LONG before the gun fires.

        You wouldn’t stuff a cocked 1911 with a 5.5lbs trigger in a holster without the thumb safety engaged, would you? Why is a striker fired pistol with a short pull, 5.5lbs trigger and no manual safety any safer?

    • SD3

      “The only way for someone to shoot themselves while reholstering would be to keep their finger on the trigger while doing so…”

      False. That’s not the only way for someone to shoot themselves while reholstering. And it’s probably that false belief that’s resulting in people shooting themselves.

  • Sianmink

    He doesn’t want to deal with a dick-shot student, and I don’t blame him.

    • M.M.D.C.

      That’s called a junk shot.

    • And after the round travels through there and lodges in a leg after severing the femoral artery you’re dead!

  • Manny Fal

    This is just lazy instructors who can’t be bothered enforcing and teaching very careful holstering. Almost all instructors are shown holstering their gun fast, like it’s some type of race. It should be done very slowly so you don’t shoot yourself.

    • Dylan Dryden

      The first part of any Vickers class is keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot and don’t point the gun at anyone.

      • James Massman

        Exactly… Because he’s following the fundamental rules of safe gun-handling:
        ALWAYS treat a gun as loaded.
        NEVER point a gun at anything you don’t intend to destroy.
        NEVER put your finger on the trigger until you’re ready to shoot.
        ALWAYS be sure of your target and what’s beyond it.
        Always, Never, Never, Always. Easy to remember… And Safe.
        Unlike the NY AG last week who released that wedding-goer who “accidently discharged” his handgun, wounding two people. And I thought NY had some of the toughest laws around. That HAD to be an ND, if not on purpose!
        Jim

  • TheNotoriousIUD

    I don’t see what the big deal is.
    Its his class and his responsibility if somebody blows off a nut.

  • Anonymoose

    I’m okay with this.

    • mechamaster

      Well, I understand Larry point about accidental discharge in training with AIWB + no manual safety striker-fire gun combo, I like my family jewel to be intact, better than sorry. lol.

      • Swarf

        Jewel?

        I didn’t know you were in to guns, Mr. Armstrong.

      • Anonymoose

        “Jewel”? Shouldn’t that be plural or did something happen? (it’s okay if you don’t want to talk about it)

    • Anonymouse

      I’m not.

  • Jane

    I scratched Larry off my list . . .I mean, I like him – more than I like many others – but now that there’s no chance to see someone blowing his d*ck off . . .

    Imagine that YouTube guy (of “I shot myself! I f**ing shot myself!” fame), instead uttering “I shot my d*ck off!” – 40 million hits in a couple days for sure !

    • John

      Maybe he should still allow for the ladies to do AIWB . . .

      • DW

        Ladies or guys, doesn’t matter who ND’d and shot off their genital there will always be sad men.

        • iksnilol

          I think the ladies would be sad too if they shot their genitals.

      • Femoral arteries tend to be in roughly the same location, regardless.

      • whamprod

        Ladies still have that pesky femoral artery thing going on…… just sayin’…..

    • Ripley

      The point is, having that many students at once and no way of knowing when it will happen, the chance of capturing it on high speed footage is slim. We know Larry only delivers high quality slow mo.

    • Adam

      He could add it to his Larry Turns it Off series.

  • JQPub

    He should have made an exception for folks running handguns that either have a manual thumb safety (yuck), XDM’s with the grip safety, or a DA/SA config, such as CZ, etc. But overall, I don’t blame him. You can instruct until your blue in the face, but there’s always gonna be someone who screws the pooch and blasts their nuts off. He doesn’t want their nuts on his hands. I can dig it. I personally love AIWB, but I use a CZ p07 and there aint no way you’re gonna shoot your junk off with that thing de-cocked (no pun intended). Yet the first pull is still smooth and the rest is like breaking icicles after that. It still won’t prevent someone from Glock-legging themselves on his range though, so maybe he better re-think that as well. Guess he figures a leg or ass shot aint half as bad as a groin shot haha

    • Ethan

      “He doesn’t want their nuts on his hands.”

      Well I wouldn’t either! (pun intended)

  • GrandDaddy

    I never cared for appendix carry, and the man has the right to set the rules in his class, but the whole debate kinds of adds a new dimension to the term “hardball ammo”.

  • GreatName

    women exempt? or avoiding….can’t think of a good pun

    • Swarf

      Clam break?

      Skinning the beaver?

      Cat scratch?

      Bush whacking?

      “She’ll be alright, but she damn near got shwat.”

      • Ripley

        Saved by the thigh gap.

  • LittleLuther

    Why is this even a story? I mean, seriously, who cares? His class. His rules.

    • Ethan

      Its a valuable safety principle that’s worth considering, and Larry is as close to an authority on the subject as exists today.

  • Joshua

    It’s all fun and games till someone blows their d**ck off.

    • mikewest007

      All is fine and dandy until you get an ND.

  • Joe ker

    My only thought is – Why only stop at Appendix? Doesn’t the same issue exist with Glocks, M&P’s, etc – regardless of the carry position? Is Glock-Leg so much worse than Glock-groin?

    I don’t blame him personally, when dealing with a volume of people, someone is bound to Eff up. I am super careful when re-holstering Glock or M&P, which really slows you down honestly…

    • Ripley

      When you holster a pistol you should be clear of threats so you can take care doing it slowly. In a training where you draw-shoot-holster repeatedly there is no emphasis on safe holstering. Maybe that should be a 101.

    • Yes. The risk *and* the consequences are greater.

      Not all holster choices point the muzzle at your body, and most that do, tend to point it at a shallow angle; a racing stripe is the very Platonic essence of a “flesh wound” – AIWB points the muzzle at the close vicinity (even where it doesn’t point *squarely* at it) your femur and femoral artery, which is very much *not* a “flesh wound”.

  • tony

    In June this year, a student in California shot himself through his beansack, appendix inside waist carry, not a glock though, a sig p229

  • Billca

    Not a big deal. There are some methods of carry that will place the user in a higher state of risk than others. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen a shooter or cop with a standard IWB holster point the muzzle inwards towards his hip when reholstering. I hold my breath each time I see it. Likewise, one should not expect to use any kind of shoulder holster on the range as most of them require sweeping part of the line with the muzzle. Carry that way if it floats your boat (I sometimes use a SH in cooler weather).

  • Dan

    His name and where I can contact him please. 🙂

    • Bob

      Look for him out back selling .22 they’re “out of ” to his friends.

  • Carl Mumpower

    To the extent one must ‘train like you plan to fight,’ Mr. Vickers may be limiting his capacity to make good guys more dangerous than bad guys.

  • Cal S.

    I see no more reason to boycott Larry Victers than I do a shooting range that doesn’t let you draw from any sort of holster whatsoever.

    So yeah…

  • Jim_Macklin

    The two incidents with ND with appendix carry and Mr. Vickers explanation make perfect sense. In a class students of many skill levels, using different types of handguns and different design holsters makes such a rule essential..
    Appendix carry has advantages, primarily the hands can be very close to the gun yet not look threatening. But selection of suitable handgun and holster combinations requires a willingness to spend the money on a gun and perhaps several holsters and belts.
    Each student will have a different waist position, gut and dexterity. Obviously a SW&W X-frame with any barrel length is not a good choice for appendix carry as a concealed weapon. A mini .380 such as Ruger’s LCP may be the perfect size to conceal but difficult to draw or re-holster due to the diminutive grip size.
    Any open or concealed carry holster should be easy to so designed that re-holstering is easy with one hand and such that the trigger is protected from fingers and any other obstruction.

  • Lt Donn

    Good for Larry for stepping up…I also do not allow any of my students to use AIWB holsters and I advocate strongly in my CHL classes that [they] give the decision to carry AIWB a lot of thought before trying it

  • Jeremiah Thompson

    Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the luckiest dickshot guy in the world.

  • RICH

    Right on Larry ! Teach them right. The safest way to carry concealed is with the weapon pointed down & to your rear. I did this for the better part of 30 years without an incident. I’ve wittnessed femoral arteries blown out and it aint’ pretty ! If I was involved in instructing one of your classes I would actually limit training to a duty rig or outside carry holster just for safetys sake.
    Keep up the great work, bro….!

  • Dan

    How dare he try and tell me what I can and cannot do in his class! Just because it is his buisness he thinks he can make all the rules? This is America and I hope he realizes Government tells buisnesses what they can and cannot do! I am outraged!!! And now I am going back under my bridge.

  • TGM

    Is it bad that I read the Facebook post in Larry Vickers voice?

    • Charles Cherry

      Yes, sure there are meds for that. 😉

  • iksnilol

    I did it the other way, inside the waistband but on the back and not front. No accidents but obviously a holster is preferable.

    • Afterschool Carl

      rimshot!

    • Hyok Kim

      When you fall backward, how would your tailbone feel?

  • DIR911911 .

    apparently the first two instructors didn’t emphasize “finger off the trigger” , you can shoot yourself re holstering in any position with fumbling fingers.

    • Ethan

      As an instructor I can tell that generally you’ll have at least 1 in 10 who have no concept of basic safety prior to coming to your class, and will still violate at least 1 of the 4 rules after repeated lesson, drills, and 1-on-1 coaching on the subject. This is the world of instructors… statistically you are GOING to have to deal with people who are slow learners, stubborn, clumsy, reckless, etc.. The vast majority of the time you can help them, but sometimes its a extremely uphill battle that takes too much time away from your other students.

      I think that’s what Larry is getting at – for his open invite classes its not worth the risk. Classes with people he’s already trained people or who have a higher level of experience may be another story.

  • PeterK

    Sounds sensible to me.

  • st4

    Pannone is da man.

  • Jim

    This is his right as it IS his classroom. I also happen to think it is a good idea as you do have so many levels of skill and the holstering and un-holstering of a loaded weapon by so many different people at different levels of ability, that is just an accident waiting to happen. I would not allow it either.

  • Stephen

    I don’t even know why this is a blog post.

    Its his class so abide by his rules – I hate it when people try to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    • Kivaari

      It seems that this article will make people currently using the AIWB holsters to revisit that choice.

  • Charles Cherry

    It is his private business, his liability insurance and private businesses have the right to lay the rules. As you have the right to look else where. Notice he singling out “Open” enrollment only.

  • Dragonheart

    What kind of class allows everyone to have a loaded ready to fire handgun holstered at the same time? That in itself is a recipe for disaster. If there is a discharge when reholstering then the student should have had a lot more practice with an empty gun and learning to keep the finger straight and off the trigger. Sounds to me like the problem is with the instruction process and not the holsters.

    • Any class intended to teach you how to actually use the gun for self defense.

      Most people don’t walk around with their self defense guns already drawn… thus drawing and shooting is a critical part of training.

      • Dragonheart

        True, but as an IDPA shooter, handgun and concealed carry instructor, we have trained numerous men, women and young people to safely draw and re-holster a gun without a discharge. You start buy teaching the technique with and empty gun and they practice until they have mastered the technique and then and only then are they allowed to proceed with a loaded firearm under the eyes of a safety officer. Additionally, only one person on the range at a time is allowed to have a loaded firearm and that is the person actually drawing, shooting, unloading and then reholstering a verified unloaded handgun. Regardless of the reports by the Media, guns don’t go off by themselves, an unintentional discharges happens most often when a finger is on the trigger or in some cases a foreign object is allowed to come in contact with the trigger. In both cases a discharge is not caused by a proper holster or appendix carry.

        • Plenty of good instructors run hot ranges, and don’t seem to have a problem… until AIWB comes into play, at which point they see the same issues that people have been warning of with AIWB from the beginning of its establishment as The New Tacticoolness years ago.

  • Harold

    Gabe Suarez over at Suarez International – his head just exploded

  • Leigh Rich

    His class. If you don’t like it don’t go.

  • Paul Scarborough

    I respect anything LAV says. His credentials are nothing short of impressive.
    It’s his sandbox, his rules.
    He is just looking out for safety in his class.
    Personally I’m not big on “safe action” pistols for my own carry systems.

  • itsmefool

    And thus the reason to practice AIWB with Nerf pistols first!

  • Ranger 4

    I am not a Vickers fan…seems there are thousands of retired military folks with similiar careers that dont flout their experience. As a former instructor with experience in 2 branches of the military and 4 law enforcement agencies spanning more than 40 years, I have carried concealed every way possible…..BUT, VICKERS is RIGHT on this one….I build my 1911s with a 4 lb trigger pull and I have 4.9 pounds on my Glocks. My wife’s Ruger LCPs is only 4.5 and feels much lighter. There have now been something like 13 accidental discharges witth the M and P by cops in Los Angeles the last 2 years…..that little triggger safety thingy they all have will go off if you put the gun in a pocket with loose change, keys, a pocket knife or anything…..duh? And it will certainly go off when you forget and leave the tip of your finger in the guard…..as a lawyer I can also tell you that if someone shoots the guy next to them then Vickers and his crew are looking at a lawsuit….in fact, for years places like Gunsight only allowed a strong side carry for their classes…and in my classes, I never allowed a cross draw or shoulder carry……both my personal methods of carry….so again Vickers is just being safe…there will always be some wimps that will whine on line..grow up, it’s not your class, if you don’t like it, stay home…..FWIW…..IMHO…Ranger 4 out.

  • MrApple

    This doesn’t affect me. I keep my Glock securely wedged between my buttcheeks. 😉

  • Hank Seiter

    Though I personally don’t have issues with AIWB holsters WHEN I CARRY, I believe Larry is simply being wise. AIWB is not for everyone, that’s for sure, just like release triggers on trap guns aren’t for everyone. But I respect him and his nuance in this regard and it IS his class and his rules. I also have some nice inside the pant(s) Bianchi holsters that I’m beginning to really appreciate.
    But with AIWB holsters don’t be dropping a competition APEX trigger into your M&Ps.

  • Ryan

    His argument couldn’t be more concise and is exceptionally well reasoned. I cannot see why anyone would have an issue with him over this new rule. It is his class, he is responsible for the safety of everyone in attendance. I applaud his decision and his willingness to back it up from the jump off.
    I personally purchased my first IWB in a configuration that could easily be used for appendix carry or otherwise. But I did fully intend to appendix carry my weapon. However, after a few weeks of trying it I found I simply was not comfortably able to carry in that position. And yes, part of that discomfort was concern that I could very easily castrate myself on a bad reholster if my adrenaline was up or even if I simply made a mistake.
    In the end I will be changing holsters entirely. Mine is sufficient but not as comfortable as it could be riding at 4 o’clock. That basically covers that. If laws here permitted I would prefer to carry OWB with just my shirt hanging over. But that is not the case. In our great legislature’s infinite wisdom they have determined that you are brandishing a weapon if anyone can see your firearm, holstered or not, at all. So while they do have a very good “shall issue” policy towards CCW permits, they are misguided as regards what level of concealment should be required, IMHO.

  • Core

    It’s important to stay abreast with safety mishaps and as a leader you have to make the call. Great call Larry. The Glocks are so dangerous imo, less experienced shooters believe they are super safe and experienced users shoot themselves frequently. The M&P also falls into the category. I know LV will take heat for mentioning this but it’s true. Adding a backstrap or thumb safety would help prevent these issues. Regardless to the gun used safety training is critical and ensuring safe handling practices is paramount. Good call Larry.

  • Michael Guerin

    As a Firearm Safety Instructor and former manager of a club range complex who started shooting on military ranges, I agree with his sentiments. I also respect the honest and straight forward way in which he announced his decision.

    Keep your students safe and always tell the truth.

  • Doom

    I wouldn’t want people converting their guns to short barreled rifles in my class either. They can shoot their dongs off in their own time. Depending on the cant of the gun, it could also easily hit you in an artery in your leg… He said do what you want in your own time, but people killing themselves in your class is bad business.

  • Kivaari

    It is a smart move. In 1971 while attending the academy, we had one shooter packing in a cross draw holster. He was always on the far left spot so he couldn’t shoot anyone. He was also the oldest student. He had moved to Washington after he had shot and killed two bank robbers in California. He was a motor officer, that chased them into a cul de sac. They bailed, started shooting at him. He stood straddling the bike and killed both. in that era about the only ones still using cross draw holsters and 6 inch revolvers were WSP troopers. It’s a bad way to carry if you get into shuffling matched with suspects. The bad guy has better access to your gun, than you do.

    • wclardy

      On the other hand, it’s a great way to carry if you spend most of your time seated. Try drawing while seated behind a steering wheel or in an office chair with arms using a strong-side holster.
      Different situations, different strengths, different choices.

      • Kivaari

        I am very familiar with pulling a service gun from strong side holster. Being a cop, we practiced doing so, and I did it on the street a few times. I don’t want the bad guy to access my gun, easier than I can. Cross draw holsters are harder to conceal, especially those putting the grip sticking out. Packing guns that way may give you easy access and in some cases comfort. I don’t like them. I did use one uniform holster for a month. I just couldn’t take having that grip hanging out. Doing a street dance with a drunk increases your odds of getting shot with your own gun.

        • wclardy

          But not all folks who feel a need to carry are in professions where they are likely to do a street dance with a drunk. For a cashier or an armored-car driver, I would think that having quick access while seated is a higher priority than protecting against the risk of going mano a mano with a gun-grabbing drunk.

          • Kivaari

            If confronted by a street thug or more than one, I don’t like cross draw holsters.

  • William Wallace

    I agree with his position and his right to run his class the way he wants to run it. I carry AIWB once in a while and if I go to his class, I won’t carry AIWB. If I want to carry AIWB on my own time after I go to his class, I will. Simple, no?

  • Rabbit2121

    Does anyone have any information on the two incidents he is talking about I would like to read up on what happened. A quick internet search gives me the usual guy sticks gun in waistband without holster and blows nuts of stories.

  • whamprod

    Well, I know diddley squat about Larry Vickers, but I HAVE personally seen several patients over a period of several years who had shot themselves in the beans and franks while trying to stick a pistol down their pants, gangsta-style. It isn’t anything I’d care to do to myself, and it has provided years of endless mirth at someone else’s expense whenever I think about the ones I saw………..so if I ever wind up taking a class from Larry Vickers, it won’t bruise my sensibilities any if he wants to enforce that rule. I happen to think he’s right.

  • Don La Rue

    The simple solution with appendix carry would have been to come up with a fail safe method of holstering/removing the weapon…What happened instructors??? Such as, a requirement to bring the left/right handers, right/left handers, hand with fingers extended straight, under the trigger finger as a shield against wanting to squeeze the hand while inserting/removing the weapon. It could be used for all holstering methods but especially so for appendix carry do to its central location on the body and the relative ease at bringing the other hand into play.

  • Don La Rue

    The simple solution with appendix carry would have been to come up with a
    fail safe method of holstering/removing the weapon…What happened
    instructors??? Such as, a requirement to bring the left/right handers,
    right/left handers, hand with fingers extended straight, under the
    trigger finger as a shield against wanting to squeeze the hand while
    inserting/removing the weapon. It could be used for all holstering
    methods but especially so for appendix carry do to its central location
    on the body and the relative ease at bringing the other hand into play.

  • Citizen 47

    Haha the update was awesome. 🙂

  • wclardy

    That would depend upon whether it came with a supply of little blue pills, wouldn’t it?

  • Kivaari

    It makes sense, as it is dangerous to point a gun at yourself. It is awfully uncomfortable. I always looked at appendix carry with IWB or OWB was crazy. It stuck me as popular in NYPD, as the detectives wanted to show off to the gun less residents how superior they were.

  • Kivaari

    My former family doctor treated an armed robber that shot his junk off. Dr. T, reattached it, by sewing it to the robbers thigh. The guy was robbing a store in Portland Oregon, but the clerk had triggered an alarm. Several cops showed up before he made his exit. When confronted by a ring of cops, he tried pulling his Ruger .357. The loud bang and blood coupled with extreme pain, gave him a hint, don’t do that again. He healed in a couple months, while getting his meals in a cell.

  • Language guy ——Disqis blocks it and I have to go in and ok it or delete, edit it.

    • Zebra Dun

      Sorry Boss, fingers engaged before brain was in gear.

  • cdavis211

    I’ve carried appendix, 4 o’clock, 2 o’clock, then back to appendix and so far, so good. I don’t really know anyone personally who takes issue with Larry’s rules. Most of the lower level firearms classes offered around here by gun ranges or institutions like Gunsite Ranch disallow IWB holsters in any position.

    It’s not even an option for the OFWG crowd anyway.