Uber Bans Drivers & Riders From Carrying Guns

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Even after a successful and lawful gun use, Uber has decided to ban its riders and its drivers from legally carrying guns.

Uber Technologies says it is banning firearms of any kind during rides arranged through the Uber platform, and drivers or riders who violate the rule may lose access to the platform. The rules also apply to Uber’s affiliates.

Back in April, an Uber driver stopped a possible mass murder. He saw the alleged suspect open fire on a group of people in Chicago. The Uber driver was legally carrying his hand gun and stopped the attacker.

The choice to ban firearms from Uber’s services comes from polls taken from riders and drivers. I am curious what regions they polled these people? Another concern is for the drivers. They drive their own car and since it is their property, they could legally carry when not on UBER driving duties. Also how will UBER know unless someone narcs on someone?

According to this Fox News article, competitor Lyft also bans firearms from its services.



Nicholas C

Co-Founder of KRISSTALK forums, an owner’s support group and all things KRISS Vector related. Nick found his passion through competitive shooting while living in NY. He participates in USPSA and 3Gun. He loves all things that shoots and flashlights. Really really bright flashlights.

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  • Patrick Karmel Shamsuddoha

    well i’m not going to use uber anymore

    • JQPub

      Add me to that list

  • Christopher Armour

    Good luck with that. Another unenforceable “gun-free” zone.

    • Treiz

      Unenforceable rule is unenforceable. >.>

  • Vitsaus

    So we ARE doing politics now?

    • M.M.D.C.

      Skating up to the edge of political ice perhaps, but not “doing politics.”

      With so much of our public and private life having been politicized it’s very difficult to write about gun news with any breadth and steer well clear of politics.

      For those of us who pack heat this is useful information, tainted with politics or not.

      • MrEllis

        Yes, as long as you say you’re not doing it while you do do it, it’s ok. Some sort of karmic hand washing.

    • David Sharpe

      No, this is news.

      • Cymond

        A lot of politics fall under the category of “news”, too.

        • David Sharpe

          Yes, but this is news that pertains to firearms.

          • MrEllis

            The header says “Not Politics,” just have it removed then this can become another site of “My cold dead hands, libtards!” We’ve already clutched a racists in the loony draft above, we have some tin foil hats and some guys who blame every single misfortune in their entire life on the left, why not lean in and embrace what you’re aiming for. People coming here for gun stuff with out the political claptrap that follows are not the demographic anymore.

          • David Sharpe

            This isn’t a political article. This article is merely informing the readers of this blog that Uber has banned guns.

          • MrEllis

            See, you keep saying that, that doesn’t change facts. Every political article on the internet could be for informative purposes only. You’re mistaking pushing a political agenda and not calling it politics for actually not hosting political articles. The article on the sweet Scorpion shooting out of the totally cumbersome and questionably practical drum magazine is what I want to see. Because more dakka is better than watching some dude carry on about The Man keeping him down with a disjointed and misconstrued rant.

            I’m not too worried, I just wish they wouldn’t be deflective about it. I’ve already stopped linking stuff and mentioning the site to friends who are left of Pat Buchanan. Eventually I’ll lose interest all together, some from the content, mostly from the people it attracts. Then someone else will fill the niche and this site can move on and replace the header with a giant “Don’t Tread on Me” flag and we’ll all be happy.

            Just because there isn’t a constant barrage of “Libatards Ban Every Gun from Past to Future Lazors!!!” or the like doesn’t mean there isn’t a political bent. I want to see more Mad Minute videos and people’s safe queen photoshoots. Those are fun.

          • David Sharpe

            When TFB posted about Starbucks banning carry, did you whine and complain about that too?

            Nothing in the article is anything but information. There is no link to a petition to try and get Uber to change their policy, it is only information.

          • MrEllis

            And now we’re done. You almost made it, but you had to revert, nice try though. Odds were you couldn’t act civil, the spread was huge, but I’m a risk taker, what can I say?

          • David Sharpe

            No no, answer the question, when TFB posted about Starbucks banning carry, did you whine about it being a “political” article?

          • MrEllis

            That’s not the way the world works. You get no answer because I don’t value discourse with you. Until you learn to act like a big boy you’re in time out.

          • David Sharpe

            Yup, there it is, wussing out.

            No surprise.

          • Rod

            I carry and I’m a Democrat. You Mr. Ellis simply need a reality check. From your responses I can tell you live in a nice neighborhood. You work downtown and are an unthinking All Left Democrat. You were also never mugged, robbed or watched a loved one suffer the effects of such a crime.
            You think dialing 911 as someone breaks into your home will stop the crime about to happen TO YOU!! When someone robs YOU, or rapes your wife and daughter as you watch helplessly during a robbery, you MAY re-evaluate the CCW concept. I live on Lake shore drive and I’m a chemist. I have a Bmw and Mercedes. How yuppie of me. They are shooting daily down the street from me for Gang retaliation. They do smash and grabs to our fancy cars. The police arrive AFTER the crime! Because they are not in your pocket nor your bodyguards ! I wish I didn’t have to carry, but I kind of like living and protecting my family! WAKE UP and smell the crime!!

          • MrEllis

            You missed on every account. I’ve worked in law enforcement for over 20 years. I’ve been spit on, stabbed had guns pointed at me and watched people bleed to death in a ditch or two from being shot. I have nothing against carrying a gun, but the realities of it are far from your contrived fantasies. Idiots with CHL/CCW are the ones I fear the most. I own guns, all of them defensive weapons. No sporting, no target firearms, they are designed for one purpose and one purpose only. But I’ve already been over that. Doesn’t. Sink. In.

            You know who got shot down the street from me, an old man, with no gun. He got shot with an AR because of road rage. The good guy with the gun is going to prison, but not long enough. Gang members stick to killing each other, because they are criminals and killing others is bad for business. Sure every now and then it’s flipped, you could cite several instances. So could I. But facts are facts, people usually kill people of their same social strata.

            Let’s be clear, people with no clue, very little experience and these huge fantasies about whipping it out and saving the day are one of the main reasons I carry. They are the ones more likely to menace someone with a pistol. I seem to be planted in reality, you are the one contriving fantasies of mad rapists coming for you and car jackers out for your precious rides. Statistically speaking you’d use your gun on yourself or your wife long before you saved someone. So stop acting like it’s Mad Max, just because you have a hammer not all problems are nails.

            Also, that’s not even the argument. I hope you don’t deal with anything volatile because, trained observer you are not. You think I’m anti-gun, I’m not. You think I’m anti-carry, I’m not. I’m anti-stupid.

          • Rod

            You are a cop. So are my kids , cousin and many friends. So was the cop kicking the crap out of the small woman in a bar. The CCL comes with extensive background checks and being finger printed. I owned and shot guns since the 1970’s! I am a martial artist and instructor! I never had to use it once because as with the intense training comes responsibility! Avoidances are the number one defenses! I don’t think nor am I afraid of home invasions and crimes! But I am prepared! Like why I have car insurance. Your logic defines me then as a person looking an imagining car crashes!? I gave an example of what it MIGHT take to get you to understand CCW! Preparedness!!! If you’re a police officer or not, what are you going to do if confronted with an armed robber or home invader?? My guess is you’ll dial 911 and grab your gun!? Who do you think trained me and the other CCL classes? POLICE OFFICERS and EX MILITARY including SWAT and snipers!! That’s the background of my instructor whom I befriended. I have yet to hear from an anti CCW police officer and I know and love PLENTY!! I did not wait over 40 YEARS with guns in my home to go PAY AND GET FINGER PRINTED AND UNDERGO AN EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECK AND PASS AN LAW EXAM WHICH INCLUDED A SHOOTING EXAM WITH FIREARM SAFETY KNOWLDGE TO BECOME A CRIMINAL!! I also worked full and part time as an armed guard. I also grew up in what you’d call “the hood”! I KNOW of criminals and they are close. I go to work in the early morning while it’s still dark. Gang bangers don’t train, get background checks, or visit the range and train like no tomorrow, BUT I DO! That’s why they miss and kill innocent people. They are NOT organized and they steal and rob! Not just retaliate!

          • MrEllis

            You’re insane.

          • Rod

            P.S
            You sound NOTHING like a person in law enforcement!! I’m in a Polce family. I’ve seen my first dead body at the age of 8 or so. Murdered and left in a car trunk. Most of my schoolmates were killed or OD’d by the time I moved to a decent part of the city! I’ve also been stabbed! A lot of the guns stuck in my back or head were from Cops!!? I’ve NEVER been arrested nor am I a criminal. I have proof. CCL!!
            Etc. I went to college. Worked 2 jobs mostly! I come from the street. I know the REAL possibilities!! I had a white mother in “the hood”! Dealing with crap was a daily occurrence forme. AND I NOT ONCE CSLLED YOU OUT OF YOUR NAME!! I am not stupid nor ignorant!!!! My cop family and friends had their uniform wear changed as not to look scary? To the criminals!!! Surrounded by hate and ignorance!! Best of luck to you. Wrong place at the wrong time and you’ll need it. Big time. Peace

          • MrEllis

            Are you twelve?

          • Sig_Sauer

            First, Starbucks “requested” that we leave our firearms at home. Where I live they never posted a no-guns sign.

            No, we did not whine and complain. Knowing their true attitude, we have chosen to shop elsewhere.

          • David Sharpe

            I wasn’t asking everyone, I was asking Ellis who is whining about this article being political.

          • Sig_Sauer

            I understand. My point, don’t complain, let the business know you will shop somewhere else.

            Today, it’s all political.

          • You can’t demand a site to have a different demographic. This site’s demographic includes people who like going on about The Amendment in a ridiculously self-aggrandizing fashion, pose as victims and grumble about Obama, liberals and hippies. That’s their entertainment after work. Nothing really wrong about it unless they start calling for blood, itsn’t it? More importantly, the TFB writers themselves are always quite level-headed, thankfully (even though they apparently feel about these political issues much stronger than you or me). They realize, nevertheless, that in niche publications you should tread carefully and be self-conscious about your hobby. This means TFB is _reasonably_ non-political, and also this means you and me and any person who feels much more “reasonable” compared to strawmen-conservatives must also have a _reasonable_ amount of self-conscousness ourselves. Right?

    • DaveP

      So reporting on a private company’s policy on guns is politics? How, pray?

    • Rock or Something

      “…man is by nature a political animal” -Aristotle

      Welcome to society.

    • patrickiv

      It’s not about gun technology, that’s for sure.

    • MrEllis

      We have been for awhile.

    • No way—-

  • KestrelBike

    Concealed is concealed. Whether it’s the driver or a passenger, angering the “no-guns” policy of uber is going to be last on either’s mind if they have to remove their weapon from concealment and use it. The worst uber can do to them? Ban them from uber (oh noooesss).

  • Bill

    it’s pointless and stupid, and as a private corporation they are completely within their rights to pass whatever pointless and stupid rules they want. I also doubt that people who carry are really that big in their market.

    • MrEllis

      It’s only pointless and stupid if you don’t grasp how litigation works.

  • Swarf

    Sure, okay. That’ll happen.

    Lip service to anti-gun snowflakes duly noted.

    • MrEllis

      Lip service to lawyers. It’s amazing how base and simple folks become when they HULK SMASH everything they don’t take seven seconds to digest.

    • David Sharpe

      Yeah it’s no different than what Starbucks did.

      • MrEllis

        Starbucks didn’t want in on the argument, which makes sense fiscally. Open carry people were acting like idiots driving down business for Starbucks, they didn’t want to be the battlefield for guys who order small coffees as apposed to everyone else ordering giant 6 dollar coffee shakes.

        • David Sharpe

          I agree with you on the open carry morons turning Starbucks into a small gun show and having “2nd amendment days” but their “ban” is just on paper, read the memo that they released to all stores. It says that the employees are NOT to refuse service, they are NOT to phone the police, it’s a polite request.

          • MrEllis

            That’s what every rule is ever.

    • Frank

      Probably trying to make their company attractive for an IPO they’re preparing. That and they’re based out of San Francisco.

  • Joey JoJo Jr.

    Free market, kids. They are free to make the rules that apply to commercial use of their service, you are free to use another mode of transportation.
    Or, you could just carry your gun and keep your mouth shut, since this won’t carry a criminal penalty in most jurisdictions.
    Free market, it’s your choice!

    • David Sharpe

      Not all free market decisions are smart. It will leave drivers and riders vulnerable.

      • tazman66gt

        only if they “know” the drivers or passengers are carrying. which means if they never have to use it no one should know

        • David Sharpe

          Agreed, as long as they keep quiet no one would ever know.

        • MrEllis

          You’re so involved in arguing you are not thinking. You have an exponentially greater chance of encountering a person with a shockable heart beat and be able to use an AED than use a firearm to prevent a dire threat. We are talking statistically a vastly huge chance. To the point it’s absurd for you to fantasize about swinging into action and being The Hero. You both missed that because you fixate and allow gut to rule.

          My statement stands as it was. Unless you live in Iraq, in which case carry two guns, they have a lower fat diet that is higher in lead. Come to think, carry a passport so you can leave. Or a company of jarheads. You get the idea.

          • Sulaco

            We are talking statistically a vastly huge chance.

            Looking for a link or source of stats for your statement…

          • MrEllis

            Are you arguing more civilians use firearms to stop a bad guy every year than there are heart attacks in America? Because, no.

            There are about 750,000 heart attacks in America each year. There are nowhere near that number of people saving the day each year. Very few criminals are ever shot by a law abiding citizen or even thwarted by a law abiding citizen with a gun. Most violent crimes are criminal on criminal violence, sexual assault being the huge caveat.

            It happens sure, but when you factor in the chances of you seeing a heart attack and you seeing a crime you legally can draw down on or even shoot on, your chances are vastly greater of being near a heart attack.

          • Sulaco

            You position yourself as the internet Mr. Knowitall. You made the statement as fact, I am merely asking for the proof you must have to have stated such. Not your supposition or beliefs on same. Not saying you’re wrong just want your proof/source of statistics that prove your contention as fact not belief. Still waiting

          • MrEllis

            And you’ll be waiting, this line of “reasoning” is second only to people muttering troll then leaning into cognitive dissonance and the sweet, sweet embrace of willful ignorance. If you lack the means to draw viable conclusions from common knowledge I’ll not tilt at windmills with you. You mistake your failing for my flaw.

          • Sulaco

            Translation of the verbal attempt at misdirection: I don’t have a source or any data I made it up and got caught.

          • MrEllis

            Yet you can’t disprove it, you think there is a study linking heart attacks to guns? I know I’m right, you know I’m right, you’re posturing in hopes of winning some technical internet warrior battle. Dance the dance.

            I stand by my statement.

          • smartacus

            that guy must be cowering in shame now that an Uber driver just got mugged by an armed criminal. Uber-ironic

          • tazman66gt

            So, are you just blindly lashing out at anyone and everyone? Seems as though you are here just to comment on everyone else comment and try to make yourself heard about whatever you’re yapping about that your comment to mine has no relevance to what I even said. Also, a gun fight lasts statistically shorter than a heart attack, which means while you’re having a heart attack someone will be able to run into the many shops and businesses that have an AED, whereas a gunfight is over in a very short amount of time, no running to get help.

          • MrEllis

            You still managed to avoid the gist, entirely, my little internet warrior.

          • smartacus

            i agree, that guy was blindly lashing out at anyone and everyone just to broadcast his ignorance.
            It’s ironic that an unarmed Uber driver just got mugged by an armed criminal today.

          • smartacus

            Don’t worry, you cannot be accused of thinking πŸ™‚

          • MrEllis

            Yes, I’m dumb, how witty! The smiley face makes it look less stalkerish.

          • smartacus

            LOL, I’m always here yet i’m stalkerish
            By the same logic, your lack of intelligence makes you look less troll-ish πŸ™‚

      • MrEllis

        Carrying an AED would save exponentially more lives than carrying a gun. Yet no one really does…

        • David Sharpe

          AEDs are in most buildings and public places.

          And if I recall correctly, EMS is faster than police in most cases.

          • MrEllis

            In some cities EMS is, but it would still save more lives than carrying a gun, period.

          • David Sharpe

            AEDs are in most public areas. Guns are not unless carried. In some/most cases, someone who suffers a medical emergency can wait for EMS. In a self defense situation, people can’t wait for police.

            Plus it’s not as easy to put an AED in a car as allowing people to carry their own guns.

          • MrEllis

            You’re not arguing the point, you have target fixation. AEDs will save more lives than guns, period. It’s not saying a gun can’t save lives, it’s saying, exponentially, AEDs will. Pull up stick, pull up stick!

          • David Sharpe

            Did you skip over the last part of my post?

          • MrEllis

            Target fixation? The forest for the trees? Internet Warrior Syndrome?

          • David Sharpe

            Um….of my last post you moron.

            “Plus it’s not as easy to put an AED in a car as allowing people to carry their own guns.”

          • MrEllis

            Like I said…

          • David Sharpe

            Man, apparently you are too stupid to understand this.

          • MrEllis

            That must be it.

          • David Sharpe

            At least you can admit it.

        • H0l0type

          Debateable. All an AED does is attempt to restore a perfusing rhythm. It does not and will not alone fix whatever underlying condition precipitated the arrest (arterial blockage, cardiac muscle damage, hypovolemic condition due to blood loss from bad guy shooting you, etc.). It only saves lives if a paramedic or other ACLS professional can get there in time to stabilize and transport pt. to advanced level of care. Carrying my gun, training, and having the right mindset would potentially save more lives and than carrying an AED.

    • Sulaco

      This sounds lawyer driven, Uber is seems to be saying Don’t carry guns kids. Wink wink.

    • anonymous

      > Free market

      and/or another example of

      “repressive libertarianism,” where certain people who call themselves libertarians invariably side with property owners who want to limit other people’s liberties through the use of contract law. Property rights (usually held by somebody with a whole lot of economic clout) trump every other liberty. The libertarian defense of HOAs is the perfect example. The developer writes covenants and leaves. Everybody who lives there has to obey them forever, even if they lose due process of law and expressive liberties.

      As private corporations take over more functions of government, this position could lead to gradual elimination of constitutional liberties.

      • Tassiebush

        This is a really good point! So that’s why people go to jail in some spots for bad lawns and why some part of Virginia doesn’t allow people to hang their washing. Locally a “conservation” trust buys up land, slaps environmental covenants on it and sells it which potentially excludes hunting from increasingly larger chunks of land.
        It’s a very serious area of encroachment on individual freedom.

      • MrEllis

        Actually this has everything to do with litigation and nothing to do with what you posted. That’s just an expression of internal dialog used to keep you happy with a disconnect from the realities of the world.

      • sam

        It’s frustrating. I think you’re throwing out the conceptual babies with the bathwater though.

    • Dan

      Exactly!

  • Squirreltakular

    I wonder how this would work in a state with similar laws to California’s. Here, if you somehow can get a concealed carry license, it is legal to continue carrying regardless of how many signs or notices are posted at a business stating otherwise. If an employee/ owner KNOWS that you’re carrying, they can they ask you to leave, at which point you’re legally obligated to do so, but you aren’t breaking the law by carrying there in the first place.

    • CrankyFool

      Uber’s not arguing it’d be illegal to carry while on a ride; they’re simply saying that if they find out you were, you *could* be banned from using the service — similar to the business asking you to leave the business.

      It’s unfortunate, and is another thing to not like about Uber, but it doesn’t strike me as particularly odious or contrary to the ability of a business to decide what activity is OK to happen on its premises and what activity is not.

      • Sig_Sauer

        That’s correct, any business can set their rules. The consumer can follow those rules or find another company to do business with.

        Example, Applebee’s has removed their no-gun signs because they received thousands of complaining emails. They realized they were missing a segment of the market. Many of our local restaurants placed “no-guns” signs in the windows. These signs lasted about a week, now they are all gone. Again customer complaints.

        There are too many other business to choose from. For those of us that carry, It’s really simple: No guns No money.

  • Tonya Masters

    I carry a XD 40 CAL everywhere I go sorry UBER live with it. As long as no white people shoot any black people it’s okay right. Because black people shooting black people happens everyday and really isn’t news worthy, but throw a white guy into the mix and you have a spot on CNN.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Wow, my comment wasnt approved but this made it through?

      • Swarf

        Ill bet your comment had a dirty, dirty word in it.

        That’s much more cause for concern than barely coherent racist gibberish.

        • TheNotoriousIUD

          My comment was basically “This is a feel good law that wont do s*** to stop anyone from carrying a gun”
          Unbelievable.

      • Bill

        I can’t make sense out of what gets comments deleted or blocked and what doesn’t, which kind of makes me want to go full George Carlin

      • No not all—-

    • Swarf

      It’s pretty early here, but I’m really hoping that’s the dumbest thing I read today.

    • MANG

      *rewriting something I just typed to be a bit more constructive… @Tonya you suck, shut up

    • Tonya lets leave race out of it—

    • lol

  • GDUB

    Wow – Now criminals will know that all UBER users are not carrying !!!
    The anti – gun crowd will never get it – common sense

  • Jing

    Simple, if a Uber driver get mugged, will Uber pick up the tag, given that the Uber driver’s life is not endangered?

    • Sig_Sauer

      Will Uber cover the lost and future earning of the family driver that was killed during the mugging?

    • Nah

      They won’t even pay the driver incentives they say they will half the time and will fight with your personal insurance tooth and nail not to pay for repairs if there’s a car accident.

  • MeatPants

    Company policy. You loose your “uber privileges”? Who cares? Better to be caught with it than caught without it. Namsayin?

    • Ben

      That was awesome.

      • itsmefool

        Too bad Backstrom was cancelled.

    • A guy

      But you used the wrong “lose” (it’s not “loose”)

      • Giolli Joker

        He doesn’t ragret it!

        • MeatPants

          Grammar isnt my strong suit. Namsayin?

  • USMC03Vet

    Anothe company faking concern for safety putting the feelings of snowflakes over the literal lives of law abiding citizens.

    The irony of anti gun loons claiming they care about innocent people’s lives.

  • Wolfgar

    I think a law suit is in ubers future. If they can sew over gay wedding cakes I think a good law suit for violation of a constitutional right is in order. If uber prevents a person from exercising the ability to self defense then they should take full responsibility for that persons safety.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      Never happen.

      • Wolfgar

        I wouldn’t disagree with you but that is why we don’t have a just legal system. SAD!

        • MrEllis

          The legal system IS the reason Uber says no to guns. Because idiots can sue for anything and have. Lawsuits costs a lot of money, regardless of win or lose. See how quick you were to resort to the “sue everyone!” thing? Now some people with money or law degrees are the same, hence, transference of liability.

          • Wolfgar

            I wasn’t quick to sue anyone but was pointing out the hypocrisy of our legal system. Lawyers and frivolous law suits have ruined this nation. Call a certain person a derogatory name and watch your career and life be ruined for ever. Do it to a gun owner or politically incorrect person and you will be applauded and called a hero. Like I stated before SAD!.

  • mzungu

    Ohh….stupid Uber. the more you tell your contractors how to conduct their business…The more the driver will looks like employees in the eyes of the Labor Board….The more tax you have to pay…..

    As to all the useless rules ever created… How do you ever expect to enforce it….?

    Dumb, dumb, dumb….

    • TechnoTriticale

      re: … the more you tell your contractors how to conduct their business…The
      more the driver will looks like employees in the eyes of the Labor Board …

      California actually just made that determination on them (not due to this).

      Meanwhile cab muggers are rejoicing. Uber may think they’ve reduced their liability, but what flows to the bottom line may differ from expectations once the drivers discover that the policy actually invites armed robbery.

      • mzungu

        The Uber lawyer was trying to limit that Labor Commission ruling to that one singular person, so this definitely would not help in their case as it drag through the courts….

        I am not familiar with all the state laws but the Ca. one, but I am guessing most State don’t allow guns in cars without a conceal permit anyway. Even with a gun, I don’t think any driver can realistically turn around fast enuf and make a difference anyway.

  • HM

    This really just boils down to a liability issue for Uber. If someone gets shot by an Uber driver then Uber can possibly be held liable in court, however if they ban the carry of guns and then someone gets shot by an Uber driver in a clear violation of policy then Uber’s hands are clean.

    BTW where is the link to the Chicago article?

    • MrEllis

      Exactly. Litigation rules our world.

    • Sig_Sauer

      Now, the bad guys know and understand Uber’s no-gun policy.

      Uber may even use the same type of sign that was posted in the Colorado movie theater.

  • MrEllis

    It doesn’t really have anything to do with that. People ignore intent for bluster, it’s all about transferring liability, which is almost every workplace rule ever at any job. Every post order, rule, policy and procedure I work under is to transfer liability to me when paper starts flying in court.

    • TheNotoriousIUD

      You are right.
      Another step towards the lawyer-fication of America.

      • MrEllis

        Lawyers have a tendency to grow up and become politicians, or lobbyists, alas, I repeat myself on that one.

  • BattleshipGrey

    Doesn’t Uber already have enough opposition from law makers, why hamstring your base users?

    • MrEllis

      Your average hipster doesn’t carry (When they do it’s strictly ball and cap with handstiched, fair trade leather rigs). This doesn’t really hurt their demographic.

      • BattleshipGrey

        As a whole no, I agree, but I probably wouldn’t abide by the rule. My own safety (and the well being of my dependents) are more important than someone else’s “feel good” policy.

        • MrEllis

          It’s not a feel good, it’s a litigation issue, entirely All the baggage people are bringing to this is hype. Follow the money.

  • smartacus

    Why does Uber have the right to ban guns while a cake baker does not have the right to decline baking gay wedding cakes due to his religious beliefs?

    • Rob in Katy

      Because – RACIST!

    • Nicholas Chen

      I agree. While I don’t condone a closed minded baker refusing service, it is his IR her prerogative. Consequences are people don’t shop there.

      People argue that you can’t stop being gay but you can stop carrying a gun. However I look at firearms as part of my belief system. I believe in the science that firearms save lives. By denying me my belief it is tantamount to discrimination.

      • MrEllis

        Yeah, I know you’re kidding on the square, so to say, but I wouldn’t draw the comparison of feeling strongly about guns with things that have gotten people murdered and beat. As for the science, you or someone in your home is more likely to die from a firearm in the home than have it be used to stop a “bad guy.” I get it, I still carry and own firearms but let’s be real if we’re throwing science out there. If you were Chuck Norris, who was born with a gun in his hand, you could use this argument.

        • Rod

          I carry and I’m a Democrat. You Mr. Ellis simply need a reality check. From your responses I can tell you live in a nice neighborhood. You work downtown and are an unthinking All Left Democrat. You were also never mugged, robbed or watched a loved one suffer the effects of such a crime.
          You think dialing 911 as someone breaks into your home will stop the crime about to happen TO YOU!! When someone robs YOU, or rapes your wife and daughter as you watch helplessly during a robbery, you MAY re-evaluate the CCW concept. I live on Lake shore drive and I’m a chemist. I have a Bmw and Mercedes. How yuppie of me. They are shooting daily down the street from me for Gang retaliation. They do smash and grabs to our fancy cars. The police arrive AFTER the crime! Because they are not in your pocket nor your bodyguards ! I wish I didn’t have to carry, but I kind of like living and protecting my family! WAKE UP and smell the crime!!

    • MrEllis

      Are you claiming “ammosexual” is something you are born with? Refusing to do business with a person because of the way they are born is wrong. Refusing service to people because of their choices is a right.

      • David Sharpe

        Technically it’s a right either way.

        Wanting to be able to defend yourself is something that every sane person is born with wired into their brains.

        • MrEllis

          Right. And by “right” I mean, “Ahh, this guy again.”

          • David Sharpe

            If you don’t want people to disagree with you, don’t post on the internet.

          • MrEllis

            I was more speaking other things that are bit beyond your grasp it seems. But yeah, reduce it to something simple, because between the lines is too much for some.

          • smartacus

            welp, he was wrong. And now some Uber driver just got mugged. Saw it in the news. One of these victims will eventually sue Uber

      • smartacus

        Wrongo!

        You just said “Refusing to do business with a person because of the way they are born is wrong. Refusing service to people because of their choices is a right.”
        Nice fantasy but NOPE!

        Uber does not have the right to decline business of a black woman exercising her 2nd Amendment Right.

        Uber does not have the right to decline business of a black woman exercising her 13th Amendment Right.

        And there is plenty of legal precedent establishing that fact.

        • MrEllis

          Yeah, this makes you looks scary, not intelligent.

          • smartacus

            hahaha! oh God you make us feel good about ourselves.
            God Bless You for your comic value πŸ™‚

          • MrEllis

            Droll! You are the bee’s knees.

          • smartacus

            HAHAHA πŸ˜€

  • Mark

    I drive for Uber/Lyft. I’m an IC and I’m in charge of my security in and around my vehicle. Better to be banned by Uber/Lyft than lose your life cause you’re defenseless. I don’t like it but I understand that Uber doesn’t want to get in to the gun debate. It’s called Concealed Carry for a reason, I will continue to be discrete and provide excellent service to my clients.

    • Nicholas Chen

      What is an IC?

      • Mark

        Independent Contractor

      • Rooftop Voter

        Independent Contractor. Or as we say, 1099ers after the tax form from the IRS

  • Broz

    I suggest Uber “Go and Know itself” in the biblical sense of the word “Know””…and Right On, KestrelBike…Concealed IS concealed…anyone gonna consent to be frisked by an Uber driver???

  • Mr. Fahrenheit

    The more restrictions Uber puts on their drivers the more they risk creating employees out of their subcontractor drivers. Tread carefully Uber.
    Otherwise, the heck they say. My car my lawful rules

  • jeffrey melton

    Let’s ban guns , that way only the criminals will have them. Who’s the genius who thought this nonsense up? A liberal idiot no doubt.

  • MrEllis

    It’s a good picture, I’ll give you that, I got a chuckle from it.

    • Hokum

      But needs more noise on the “UBER” πŸ™‚

      • MrEllis

        Yeah, but it was funny. I did notice it right away.

    • Nicholas Chen

      Haha thanks. I was wondering if someone was gonna notice my photoshop work.

  • cbunix23

    There’s soon going to be big legal, and economic, consequences for Uber. The more control Uber exerts over their contractors the more state and federal law will consider theirs to be an employer/employee relationship, and that comes with a lot of baggage. I get they want all the benefits of a contract relationship and none of the headaches, but that’s not an option.

  • Phil Elliott

    Well guess I’ll just have to add Uber to the list of businesses that I don’t patronize.

    • BugaBuga

      NO GUNS = $$$$. Very good idea.

    • MrEllis

      How often did you use Uber before, I don’t think you’re really their demographic. I’ve never used them. In my home town I mostly drive, if I’m drunk I have a DD or a cab. When I’m away and in cities where there is Uber as well I still default to a cab or rental. My younger friends seem more apt to use it.

      • Phil Elliott

        You know very well what I’m talking about, and yes I do vote with my feet. Uber has been in my state such a short time, I’ve never had the opportunity to use their services. Or did you just want to argue?

        • MrEllis

          No, just point out why saying that doesn’t really mean much.

          • smartacus

            No, you are just projecting now, you know you aren’t saying much πŸ™‚

          • MrEllis

            I’m no stranger to irony. But since some folks are literalists, I am pointing out a non-customer, threatening to not do business with someone they most likely never would really isn’t a concern. This move is entirely to transfer liability from Uber to drivers/customers. It’s a common legal buffer to prevent law suits. Who is going to know if you are packing if you do it right? If you are carrying and are ok with lying, do it. But by all means be realistic enough to understand the world we live in.

          • smartacus

            LOL, obviously you are not realistic enough to understand the world we live in πŸ™‚
            Motor Trend for example can survive without a single subscriber.

          • MrEllis

            And Uber can survive without all these non-customers. People who lack the ability to compromise will be pushed into the margins unless the have complete power. Gun owners who are into violent rhetoric, only know how to debase and lash out or are flip at best need to understand they will not win hearts or minds with that.

            A simple black and white view is great when you are feeding an internal dialog, but interactions with humans other than those that agree with you exactly and entirely suffers. Not all gun owners are comfortable with the vile rhetoric or even the lack of any compromise. Inflexibility and willful ignorance will be what damages gun rights. Not some imaginary tin foil conspiracy. In the end the people who claim to love guns to the point of treason will not be the saviors but the reason we lose rights. That is something folks here will have to grasp if they wish to continue to enjoy the hobby or security of owning firearms.

            I like shooting, I have a small collection of guns and realistically most of them are defensive weapons. I do not own really own any gun that can not be reasonably concealed and carried. I do not own any gun that is purely for hunting or target shooting. I own no Safe Queens or curios. So I have my entire lot invested in defensive weapons that I also enjoy shooting as a hobby. I can do that and still be open to discourse on guns and even regulation. A lot of the folks here do nothing but drive away potential allies and gun owners. That’s not how you win in the long run. It’s a limited scope gain to sate egos.

          • smartacus

            LOL πŸ™‚
            MOTOR TREND has the luxury of being bankrolled and in no need of a single subscriber. Something Uber doesn’t have the luxury of saying.
            Talking about “gun owners who are into violent rhetoric” lashing out and not winning hearts and minds is something the feminist and gay communities never get told.
            -using the overused words “tin foil” in an argument is generally regarded as having lost the argument already.
            -Speaking of in the end, In the end; the Karl Rove approach to winning by being too mature to stand up is still not winning.
            -A lot of people who are worried about how gun owners appear has been proven over and over again to not accomplish anything. That’s not how you win in the long run.

          • MrEllis

            You didn’t really refute anything, not that it matters. I suppose we’re done. A thousand like you on the internet.

          • smartacus

            in other words; my truth got through to you and your pride won’t admit it. BUT THAT’S FINE. I’M OK WITH THAT.
            that’s completely cool by me πŸ˜‰

          • MrEllis

            Your disconnect from reality is disturbing. Lie to yourself all you want, don’t include me in your disillusions. The fact remains I made a statement you can no way refute, in fact you admit to agreeing in the truth of it. Yet you demand a specific study citing the comparison of the two, which is absurd.

            You willingness to be disingenuous with yourself is all you. It’s something you need to preserve your internal dialog. I gave you more credit than you deserve. My statement stands. Babble your piece out and let’s be done with it.

          • smartacus

            aw man! i was right! i didn’t realize it stung you that bad. It was only truth.

          • smartacus

            *and now an update about how right i was:
            some Uber driver just got mugged by an armed criminal.
            oh how ironic. uber-ironic πŸ™‚

        • smartacus

          and i heard on the news an Uber driver just got mugged .
          But he still believes it is somehow our fault πŸ™‚

  • Curtis_15

    I can hear the Criminals now! Alright, another gun free zone. Just what need is a safe work environment. Too many guns on my victims. It’s about time some idiot made it easier for us again.

  • Bill

    Isn’t Uber the company that brags about hiring veterans? Someone has two sides to their mouth here…

  • avconsumer2

    So… to advertise this fact, they’re gonna mandate “DRIVER CARRIES NO GUN” stickers be plastered all over the cars right? Right?!!? lol – morons.

  • Ibli

    Apparently, Uber wants more people killed and vehicles stolen…

  • Nicholas Chen

    Considering that UBER drivers are not paid in cash by their customers, it would be fruitless to rob them. Compared to a traditional taxi cab driver who may have cash on hand.

  • Ken

    Yes, because banning something magically makes the banned item poof into thin air. Only idiot liberals think this is how the real world works.

    • MrEllis

      Only a very simple person with a huge bias and agenda would overlook this is legal maneuvering to appease Americans who are huge proponents of litigation. I mean you’d have to be really out there to miss the obvious so as to feed a contrived fantasy…

    • smartacus

      i just read in the news an Uber driver got mugged at gunpoint!
      the ban is not working πŸ™‚

  • Core

    Good point: criminals will not abide and concealed drivers and passengers will carry concealed anyway, and if the need arises to defend a life the consequences can be dished out by Uber’s fascist police.

    I’m uber sick of corporations like Starsucks and Ubergoob banning guns when they should allow the locale laws handle it. It always boils down to the elitists working hard to make it difficult for a business to maintain insurance. We should revert back to the days before mandatory insurance. These bankers and insurance cronies who lead the way towards gun control, would have no passive means to manipulate business and individuals Constitutional rights. I would go as far to say unconstitutional policies should be void under the blanket of constitutional laws.

    We need to take back our rights! We should organize a gathering around Starsucks and Uber and do open carry rally’s. Shove it down their throats until they wake up and remove unconstitutional bs. It’s time to push back!

  • Rob Burns

    Well, last week UBER was claiming that it is a software company and has no responsibility toward the drivers; This could turn the tables on them from a legal perspective.

  • Djs588

    It seem the Politicians are doing this to protect their relatives.

  • Thatmanoverthere

    Uber has just made the task of victim selection a lot easier for carjackers. Not smart.

  • Eurk Burkell

    They don’t know you’re carrying till you need it, once you need it you don’t care if they do know.

    • smartacus

      exactly. This is the ideal strategy.
      Not unlike recording a crazy threatening ex in a state where it’s illegal without her consent. Better to risk a worst-case 1 year for recording without consent than 30 years for false assault charges from a self-bruising female.

  • MrEllis

    Backtrack, did I ever, I mean ever question the validity of carrying? Once ever in my entire post history here? You get ahead of yourself in order to show me my error. I’m obviously, plainly and openly suggesting people concerned about saving lives would do better to take other measures for more lives saved. That’s it. I didn’t say stop carrying, I didn’t say anything but an AED will statistically provide you with more life saving capability, period. That’s it, you and others brought baggage into this one.

    Being beaten to death because you are gay or black is vastly different and I thought that was obvious as what I was referring to. I’ll put my original post here, for reference.

    “Are you claiming “ammosexual” is something you are born with? Refusing to do business with a person because of the way they are born is wrong. Refusing service to people because of their choices is a right.”

  • dntmkmecomoverther

    UberMarxists…great. Guess I won’t be driving nor riding with these losers.

  • no@no.no

    Folks, stop complaining about TFB violating their own mission statement (clue: they didn’t, they just posted the news) when YOU are the ones bringing the political hullaballo onto this site, via YOUR comments. TFB is what we make it. Make it: firearms not politics.

  • smartacus

    it’s in the news today, some unarmed Uber driver just got mugged.
    This is so ironic. Uber ironic πŸ™‚

  • Rod

    Rod

  • Rod

    I carry and I’m a Democrat. You Mr. Ellis simply need a reality check. From your responses I can tell you live in a nice neighborhood. You work downtown and are an unthinking All Left Democrat. You were also never mugged, robbed or watched a loved one suffer the effects of such a crime.
    You think dialing 911 as someone breaks into your home will stop the crime about to happen TO YOU!! When someone robs YOU, or rapes your wife and daughter as you watch helplessly during a robbery, you MAY re-evaluate the CCW concept. I live on Lake shore drive and I’m a chemist. I have a Bmw and Mercedes. How yuppie of me. They are shooting daily down the street from me for Gang retaliation. They do smash and grabs to our fancy cars. The police arrive AFTER the crime! Because they are not in your pocket nor your bodyguards ! I wish I didn’t have to carry, but I kind of like living and protecting my family! WAKE UP and smell the crime!!

  • Rod

    I’ll reply for him. YES HE DID!!

  • John β€œSnug” Browning

    A liberal has no use for a gun until she needs one. Ask Diane Feinstein about that.