NDIA’s Small Arms Forum Presentations Released

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Each year, the National Defense Industrial Association (NDIA) holds conferences on various defense-related subjects. One of these conferences is the Armament Small Arms Forum, which for this year of 2015 occurred on June 1-3 in Whippany, New Jersey. Anually, after its conclusion, NDIA releases some or all of the PowerPoint files for the presentations given during the conference, as they did so this weekend for the 2015 ASAF. The presentations are now available online, at this link.

I will be covering select presentations this week and next in greater detail for our readers, but anyone wishing to get a head start can simply follow the link and take a look. Subjects covered in the presentations include new developments such as the One-Way Luminescence (OWL) non-pyrotechnic tracer program, speakers from the JSSAP program, advanced sighting systems, new armor-piercing ammunition from Nammo, and presentations by both Anthony Williams and Jim Schatz.



Nathaniel F

Nathaniel is a history enthusiast and firearms hobbyist whose primary interest lies in military small arms technological developments beginning with the smokeless powder era. In addition to contributing to The Firearm Blog, he runs 196,800 Revolutions Per Minute, a blog devoted to modern small arms design and theory. He can be reached via email at nathaniel.f@staff.thefirearmblog.com.


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  • Steve

    Haha… In the deep future of small arms:

    “Lump Gun – Anti-personnel chamber of gun can hold any lumps of ferrous metal, strips needle-shaped projectiles from
    lump and fires them.”

    Someone has been playing too much Mass Effect…

    • Joshua

      Who wrote that PDF I must know.

      • Giolli Joker

        Terence F. Rice apparently… I would expect an employee of the U.S. Army Armament Research, Development and Engineering Center (ARDEC) to be able to write in proper English, but that sentence looks like the unfiltered output of Google Translate.

        • Joshua

          Should have said the end goal is a weapon that shaves a projectile the size of a sand grain from a dense block of metal contained within the weapon’s body. The projectile is launched at supersonic velocities by decreasing its mass in amass effect field. Thousands of these tiny rounds can be produced from a single ammunition block.

    • iksnilol

      It sounded more like the Needler from Halo to me.

  • S O

    Presentations almost only from program domestic managers, no foreigners?
    IIRC this was VERY different in earlier years, with prominent contributions from Swedes, Germans, Chinese …

    • Williams and Erninge are both non-American.

      • iksnilol

        Also, as far as I know Nammo is Norwegian.

  • Giolli Joker

    The Nammo presentation is interesting and Power Ball sounds funny/cool.
    Am I mistaken or there’s no trace of the LSAT program development?

    Wednesday, June 3
    11:30 AM – 11:50 AM Cased Telescoped Systems (17338)
    Ms. Kori Phillips, U.S. Army ARDEC

    She spoke (20min) but nothing seems to have been released so far. 🙁

    The presentation from Williams is a bit underwhelming, I can only think that most of the valuable content was actually spoken.

    • Kori did a presentation, but it is not yet available. And yes, I’m sad.

      Jim Schatz and I would get along about a lot of things, but future caliber and rifle configurations would probably not be one of them. 😉

    • Joshua

      Schatz is a idiot. If you have ever dealt with him and his stupid agendas in person you would understand this. Most dislike him.

      • Giolli Joker

        I don’t know him, I only read some of his writings. I’m in no position to judge, I can only accept that he has far better sources than I do, read what he writes and analyze it critically at the best of my capacity.
        If I was you, I’d rephrase to convey the same message without being openly offensive. 😉

        • Joshua

          I’m not here to coddle peoples feelings. I say things honestly.

          Schatz is very agenda driven, yet has no real combat experiences in any branch of any Military. He honestly has no idea what soldiers needs, yet will take any opportunity given to him to tell soldiers what they need.

          He was also feeding a ton of crap to Senator Coburn about how the M4 has been getting soldiers killed in Afghanistan and how they are dying with cleaning rods stuck down their bores. His knowledge of what soldiers needs come from books, which he loves to quote over and over and over as well as the 507th Maintenance Company is one of his key examples of why we should have replaced the M4 long ago. He also still feels we should be using the XM8 to this day and he will tell you how amazing of a rifle it is and how it is miles better than any small arm ever designed, at the same time he will tell soldiers how we need to be issuing tiny, compact 5.56 rifles to soldiers in humvees so they can roll down the window and engage whatever target is engaging them…Which is something you never do in a armored humvee. We don’t roll down our windows that are bullet resistant so that some crack shot goat humper can snap rounds in and they can have the enjoyment of ricocheting all around the inside.

          He has even gone on a certain website with a number of active and retired SoF soldiers and told them these things as well. I believe he was banned, but if not he did get his **** slapped into the dirt due to this.

          • Giolli Joker

            I have no grounds to agree or disagree with you and I find your opinion interesting. I was just saying that I wouldn’t openly call somebody an idiot, regardless of how honestly you mean it.

          • Giolli – I wouldn’t say it the way Joshua has here, but in general I agree. Jim oversteps his expertise very often, as he has done here at NDIA in suggesting new caliber configurations.

            Here’s an example of Jim getting… Excited.

            http://i.imgur.com/8waLKmH.png

          • Giolli Joker

            Yep, his bias on some topics is fairly obvious and he’s clearly sometimes a bit too “colourful”.
            My stance about his writings is close to yours and I find interesting most of them, especially because he usually offers a view of documents and photos not easily available elsewhere (the document you just linked is a clear example). Usually it’s also quite easy to tell opinions from facts and I tend to focus on the latter ones.

          • Yeah, the ammo development didn’t end in 1990.

            The LSAT program *alone* has put more time into refining the caseless ammunition than HK did up to 1990.

            But Schatz speaks as if the ammo is exactly the same as it was when he was running the program, and no improvements have been made.

      • Schatz knows a lot about the H&K programs when he was there. I don’t agree with him on a great many subjects where I feel he oversteps his expertise, but I also won’t dismiss something just because it’s him.

        • Key words: “… when he was there…”

          He won’t acknowledge that he left the program while it was still evolving, and that the final form of the 4.7mm caseless rounds (and that was adopted by LSAT as the starting point for the caseless spiral) are wholly different beasts than what he actually dealt with.

          • Schatz worked at HK from 1986-2006. He became Manager of Caseless Technology in 1989. The G11 program ended in 1990 and then Schatz became Manager of Federal Operations.

    • Ben Loong

      I want to know what kind of “Unified” intermediate cartridge the Russians are supposedly working on that he cited in his presentation. Because I sure haven’t heard of one.

  • nobody

    I’m surprised that you didn’t post the Advanced Small Unit Small Arms Technology (ASUSAT) Research
    Program presentation with the active rifle stabilizing stock. Their claims about how in some of the testing shooters were able to achieve groups while standing similar to what they could shoot without the rifle stabilizing stock from a bench rest are amazing.

    • iksnilol

      That sounds interesting to say the least.

      • Giolli Joker

        That sounds like additional weight.

        • iksnilol

          I know, but still, it sounds kinda cool.